Jeremić in Havana at Non-Aligned summit

Enjoy the weather Vuk and all that Cuba offers. Serbia is better served in the NAM than NATO.

Jeremić will be meeting with member-state leaders including Raul Castro.

"Let world's two most progressive countries back the Snake and Chechen gangsters.
(Ataman, 29 April 2009 16:14)"

While Kosovo is supported by the major Western democracies, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and so on (my apologize to other human-violator regimes out there) are all supporting your beloved Serbia!
So, go figure who has more democratic credentials!

Jeremić will be meeting with member-state leaders including Raul Castro.
(FreeWorld, 29 April 2009 14:55)

This is true, like that Bush met with Saudi King.

With all disrespect to Cuban communists.... Public beheadings on Fridays for just being in a sexual relationship are not their specialty.

I just hope, Iran will recognize Kosovo soon, public beheadings are the best fun only to public hangings.

Let world's two most progressive countries back the Snake and Chechen gangsters.

"Let world's two most progressive countries back the Snake and Chechen gangsters."

The world is changing, Cuba is on the list of must-get-around-to-soon countries for the US and may consider recognizing Kosovo an easy way to make a good (well, somewhat better) impression on the negotiators. And even Iran is becoming more respectable: at the gas summit in Sofia the US representative said getting gas from Iran for Nabucco was no longer objectionable. And what is a country that wants to join the EU doing with the Unaligned Movement, anyway? Desperation, or just confusion?

"I just hope, Iran will recognize Kosovo soon, public beheadings are the best fun only to public hangings. "

They wouldn't back stab their best friends, the Serbs. Go Jeremic, non-Aligned! Do they have their own version of EU? EU member are very aligned.

While Kosovo is supported by the major Western democracies, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and so on (my apologize to other human-violator regimes out there) are all supporting your beloved Serbia!
So, go figure who has more democratic credentials!
(Artan, 29 April 2009 17:44)

I hope you are not counting the US and UK as your major western democracies. It's well known that these two are major imperialists.
Democracy in those countries is "do as I tell you so that we can exploit you and democracy for me but slavery for you".

Yeah, that sound very democratic to me.

While Kosovo is supported by the major Western democracies, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and so on (my apologize to other human-violator regimes out there) are all supporting your beloved Serbia!
So, go figure who has more democratic credentials!
(Artan, 29 April 2009 17:44)

and I suppose the US & UK are the major protectors of human rights and democracy on the planet. Go tell that to the people of Chile, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Diego Garcia and Northern Ireland. Your statement reaks of hypocrisy and double standards.

You have the cheek to accuse Cuba of human rights violations, yet what has been going in Guantanamo Bay, oy yes the rendidtion flights as well. You have the audacity to fingerpoint Venezuela for being non democratic. Hugo Chavez is the democratically elected leader of his country (survived numerous recall referenda and a coup d'etat as well) as is the government of Evo Morales of Bolivia a country whom the US has been trying to destabalise and overthrow because like Chaves, Morales does not conform to the 'democracy' espoused by the US. Your friend William Goldberg, the US amabassador was recently expelled from Bolivia for plotting to overthrow a democratically elected government.

You know Artan, when you scratch the surface, you will see that the 'democractic credentials' of the US and British Imperialists are not all what is cracked up to be. Read beyond the sanitised gibberish in the Imperial media or for what passes as journalism in your yellow press down Pristina way.

Serbia needs to revitalise and further develop old friendships and relations all over the Third World, as much as possible!

We are living in globalized world and we can just as well take advantage of that. It was never easier to trade with every part of the world. There is absolutely no need to be depended of the West.

What does EU and US produce that we can’t by in Asia for less money and often better quality? What Serbian products or know-how West wants to buy from us?

Aside of our traditional natural allies, Russia and Greece, Third World countries are our best potential partners. There are markets for our products, and natural resources that we need.

"We are living in globalized world and we can just as well take advantage of that. "

It sounds like you want to compete directly with China - but that means making the investments China has already made (or foreigners have made, in China) and having Serbian workers work for Chinese wages. While all your neighbors will be working their way up to European standards.

Depending on Greece and Russia doesn't seem like a winning idea, either. Both are having problems in the current economic climate, and Russia is much more concerned with keeping its own factories open than supporting foreign imports. (Ask Fiat how many cars they expect to export there this year.)

Serbia needs investment - money and know-how - and the 3rd world isn't going to supply that. Anyway, regional trade is usually most profitable - why go looking for trading partners in Africa and the Caribbean when you've got Western Europe opening up?

Yeah, that sound very democratic to me.
(Peggy, 30 April 2009 01:26)

Actually, while watching public beheading and public hanging from the crane is the best fun I can imagine, looking at someone being "fried" in an electric chair is almost as good.

Of course, being blown up by humanitarian bombing is very humanitarian, too.

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What a mass of confusion in these comments. Yes, Serbia is an observer of NAM and attends summits, and so are/do Croatia and Bosnia. In fact, at the last NAM, also in Cuba, in 2006, the only Balkan or east European head of state to attend was Croatia's Mesic, who waxed lyrical about Croatia's long term relationship with Cuba since former Yugoslav days (remember Tito was Croatian and his children and grandchildren mostly live in Croatia, including a son who just retired as Croatian ambassador to Indonesia).

Secondly, what's wrong with meeting Fidel? You can have your criticisms and Cuba may be no model of human rights, but who is? Among both the countries supporting Serbia and those supporting Kosova are massive human rights violators, pretty much equally. In the mideast, one has Israel and one has Saudi Arabia, just for starters. Exactly how many people has Castro killed? None, check, except a bunch of torturers from the overthrown Batista tyranny back in ... 1960. Plus having far and away the highest levels of health care in the third world and better than many first world countries. Cuba doesn’t recognise Kosova yet due to the international intervention which it has good reasons to be wary of, but hopefully it will get around to it in the next few years.

Furthermore, as for NAM, it includes both countries that have and have not recognised Kosova - eg, Malaysia has recognised K - so why are Albanians complaining? Don't you want recognition from most of the 12 countries in NAM?

Finally, what problem is there going to NAM and aiming for EU membership? Croatia and Bosnia don't see any problem either.

I would not suggest aligning with the non-aligned (so to speak).

I remember Milosevic tried to align with Sadam Hussain just before they both crashed and burned (so to speak).

I know that many contributers do not like NATO and EU, but realistically, that is where the future is. Russia can't offer much (they didn't exactly hang around after their rush into Kosovo) and Cuba can offer less.

Being anti-NATO suits the old-style communist/anti-capitalist/anti-US/nationalist/paranoiac/propogandised way of thinking - but it takes a view of the future not a hankering for the past to see where Serbia needs to go.

The future is not about who to fight or who to argue against; it is about how countries cooperate and negotiate for their mutual benefit. I think that is what the Serbian government is actually doing - talking to all sides; not just the unaligned.

"Let world's two most progressive countries back the Snake and Chechen gangsters.
(Ataman, 29 April 2009 16:14)"

While Kosovo is supported by the major Western democracies, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and so on (my apologize to other human-violator regimes out there) are all supporting your beloved Serbia!
So, go figure who has more democratic credentials!

"I just hope, Iran will recognize Kosovo soon, public beheadings are the best fun only to public hangings. "

They wouldn't back stab their best friends, the Serbs. Go Jeremic, non-Aligned! Do they have their own version of EU? EU member are very aligned.

Jeremić will be meeting with member-state leaders including Raul Castro.
(FreeWorld, 29 April 2009 14:55)

This is true, like that Bush met with Saudi King.

With all disrespect to Cuban communists.... Public beheadings on Fridays for just being in a sexual relationship are not their specialty.

I just hope, Iran will recognize Kosovo soon, public beheadings are the best fun only to public hangings.

Let world's two most progressive countries back the Snake and Chechen gangsters.

"Let world's two most progressive countries back the Snake and Chechen gangsters."

The world is changing, Cuba is on the list of must-get-around-to-soon countries for the US and may consider recognizing Kosovo an easy way to make a good (well, somewhat better) impression on the negotiators. And even Iran is becoming more respectable: at the gas summit in Sofia the US representative said getting gas from Iran for Nabucco was no longer objectionable. And what is a country that wants to join the EU doing with the Unaligned Movement, anyway? Desperation, or just confusion?

Enjoy the weather Vuk and all that Cuba offers. Serbia is better served in the NAM than NATO.

"We are living in globalized world and we can just as well take advantage of that. "

It sounds like you want to compete directly with China - but that means making the investments China has already made (or foreigners have made, in China) and having Serbian workers work for Chinese wages. While all your neighbors will be working their way up to European standards.

Depending on Greece and Russia doesn't seem like a winning idea, either. Both are having problems in the current economic climate, and Russia is much more concerned with keeping its own factories open than supporting foreign imports. (Ask Fiat how many cars they expect to export there this year.)

Serbia needs investment - money and know-how - and the 3rd world isn't going to supply that. Anyway, regional trade is usually most profitable - why go looking for trading partners in Africa and the Caribbean when you've got Western Europe opening up?

While Kosovo is supported by the major Western democracies, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and so on (my apologize to other human-violator regimes out there) are all supporting your beloved Serbia!
So, go figure who has more democratic credentials!
(Artan, 29 April 2009 17:44)

and I suppose the US & UK are the major protectors of human rights and democracy on the planet. Go tell that to the people of Chile, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Diego Garcia and Northern Ireland. Your statement reaks of hypocrisy and double standards.

You have the cheek to accuse Cuba of human rights violations, yet what has been going in Guantanamo Bay, oy yes the rendidtion flights as well. You have the audacity to fingerpoint Venezuela for being non democratic. Hugo Chavez is the democratically elected leader of his country (survived numerous recall referenda and a coup d'etat as well) as is the government of Evo Morales of Bolivia a country whom the US has been trying to destabalise and overthrow because like Chaves, Morales does not conform to the 'democracy' espoused by the US. Your friend William Goldberg, the US amabassador was recently expelled from Bolivia for plotting to overthrow a democratically elected government.

You know Artan, when you scratch the surface, you will see that the 'democractic credentials' of the US and British Imperialists are not all what is cracked up to be. Read beyond the sanitised gibberish in the Imperial media or for what passes as journalism in your yellow press down Pristina way.

While Kosovo is supported by the major Western democracies, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and so on (my apologize to other human-violator regimes out there) are all supporting your beloved Serbia!
So, go figure who has more democratic credentials!
(Artan, 29 April 2009 17:44)

I hope you are not counting the US and UK as your major western democracies. It's well known that these two are major imperialists.
Democracy in those countries is "do as I tell you so that we can exploit you and democracy for me but slavery for you".

Yeah, that sound very democratic to me.

Jeremić will be meeting with member-state leaders including Raul Castro.

Yeah, that sound very democratic to me.
(Peggy, 30 April 2009 01:26)

Actually, while watching public beheading and public hanging from the crane is the best fun I can imagine, looking at someone being "fried" in an electric chair is almost as good.

Of course, being blown up by humanitarian bombing is very humanitarian, too.

Serbia needs to revitalise and further develop old friendships and relations all over the Third World, as much as possible!

We are living in globalized world and we can just as well take advantage of that. It was never easier to trade with every part of the world. There is absolutely no need to be depended of the West.

What does EU and US produce that we can’t by in Asia for less money and often better quality? What Serbian products or know-how West wants to buy from us?

Aside of our traditional natural allies, Russia and Greece, Third World countries are our best potential partners. There are markets for our products, and natural resources that we need.

I would not suggest aligning with the non-aligned (so to speak).

I remember Milosevic tried to align with Sadam Hussain just before they both crashed and burned (so to speak).

I know that many contributers do not like NATO and EU, but realistically, that is where the future is. Russia can't offer much (they didn't exactly hang around after their rush into Kosovo) and Cuba can offer less.

Being anti-NATO suits the old-style communist/anti-capitalist/anti-US/nationalist/paranoiac/propogandised way of thinking - but it takes a view of the future not a hankering for the past to see where Serbia needs to go.

The future is not about who to fight or who to argue against; it is about how countries cooperate and negotiate for their mutual benefit. I think that is what the Serbian government is actually doing - talking to all sides; not just the unaligned.

(

What a mass of confusion in these comments. Yes, Serbia is an observer of NAM and attends summits, and so are/do Croatia and Bosnia. In fact, at the last NAM, also in Cuba, in 2006, the only Balkan or east European head of state to attend was Croatia's Mesic, who waxed lyrical about Croatia's long term relationship with Cuba since former Yugoslav days (remember Tito was Croatian and his children and grandchildren mostly live in Croatia, including a son who just retired as Croatian ambassador to Indonesia).

Secondly, what's wrong with meeting Fidel? You can have your criticisms and Cuba may be no model of human rights, but who is? Among both the countries supporting Serbia and those supporting Kosova are massive human rights violators, pretty much equally. In the mideast, one has Israel and one has Saudi Arabia, just for starters. Exactly how many people has Castro killed? None, check, except a bunch of torturers from the overthrown Batista tyranny back in ... 1960. Plus having far and away the highest levels of health care in the third world and better than many first world countries. Cuba doesn’t recognise Kosova yet due to the international intervention which it has good reasons to be wary of, but hopefully it will get around to it in the next few years.

Furthermore, as for NAM, it includes both countries that have and have not recognised Kosova - eg, Malaysia has recognised K - so why are Albanians complaining? Don't you want recognition from most of the 12 countries in NAM?

Finally, what problem is there going to NAM and aiming for EU membership? Croatia and Bosnia don't see any problem either.