"Israeli position on Kosovo firm"

Jews who know history understand very well that the Serbs are the most tolerant people in the Balkans especailly when it comes to Jews.The US will never dictate anything to Israel and the Jews will NEVER AGAIN bow to the wishes of any other peole or nation(including the US)when it is a question of our very survival.I am an American but the heart of every righteous Jew beats in Jerusalem.Jews respect the very beautiful Albanian people and Israel wishes to have good relations with both but will never recognize the UDI before Serbia itself does.Jews understand that the heart every righteous Serb beats in Kosovo.Shalom to the Serbs and Albanians

"Israelis seem to forget that Albania didn't exradite a single jew to the nazis during the WW2. Or how many have risked the safety of their famillies to save the Jews during the war."

Dulo, you seem to forget that Albanians joined Hitler in WW2 which I am sure Israelis haven't forgotten.

So tell us how is it that a nation which supported Hitler managed to save Jews? Did you SS division get confused which side they were on?

Well, well - the USA's greatest ally and number one client state refuses point blank to recognise Kosovo. How do you explain this one, Team Albania? You must be worried that your loss of diplomatic momentum will be terminal.

Thank you Peggy for stating the obvious I was about to write the same thing.
The Albanians had their own SS division and it was noted as the worst one as well. If anybdy helped the nation of Israel then it's Serbia. Who might I add also suffered a huge number of casualities.
R.I.P to those who lost their lives in the Halocaust.
Happy bitthday to Israel today!!
Thanks.

Israel is a real friend of Serbia, I hope good relations will remain in future.

In terms of this article, it seems as though Serbia has found a friend in Land-grabbing antics.
(Mirsad UK, 28 April 2009 18:19)

"Land-grabbing antics" you say. Sweet Mother of Jesus, you lot have it perfected to a science.

Are Team Albanian planning on moving into glasshouses and throw stones at the Serbs.

US is a matter of time. The Israeli lobby will start to pull the strings in US and the recognition will be revoked.

(Ataman, 28 April 2009, 15:29)

"Serbia has nothing to do with Iran, Sudan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and some other ratholes who provide support for Chechen bandits."

I would beg to differ. These countries have religously motivated ideologies, yes, but how is that any different to Serbia's orthodox fundamentalism? The Orthodox church in Serbia has more power than the politicians, hence the misconception of kosovo as being the 'sacred and religious land' of Serbia, and in turn the impossible task of bringing Kosovo back under Serbian occupation which chauvists in the Serbian state endeavour.

Serbia is no differen to Iran or Afghanistan, as these countries only allow chauvism and religiously motivated policies to prevail. Kosovo is a Democratic state. The first Democratic party in the whole of the balkans was created in Kosovo by Ibrahim Rugova (LDK). There is no democracy, freedom of speech or movement in Serbia. Face it.

In terms of this article, it seems as though Serbia has found a friend in Land-grabbing antics.

Israelis seem to forget that Albania didn't exradite a single jew to the nazis during the WW2. Or how many have risked the safety of their famillies to save the Jews during the war.

Perhaps the ambassador should visit the jewish museum in New York and read about the Jews that the aAlbanians saved and how many Jews are alive because of the courage and resiliance of the Albanian people.

But anyway, there will be more than plenty that will recognise in due time, I am sure Israel will someday too soon.

Ha. Israel is a matter of time, just waiting to accomplish something else.
Kosovar citizens enter Israel w/o no problem, w/o visa.

Gotta love this:
"Israel has not recognized Kosovo’s independence and sees no reason to change its position at this moment in time".

Keywords - "at this moment in time".

Israel has been one of Kosovo's strongest allies.

Some even blame the hesitance of the Islamic countries in recognizing Kosovo on this "alliance".

Israel is not recognizing because it does not want to irritate the Islamic nations. Recognition from Israel will occur once the majority of Islamic countries recognize.

Therefore, that "moment in time" will pass really soon.

Team Albania has always had excellent relations with the State of Israel and its people before that. We also have visa free travel. We understand Israel's position very well and recognition of Kosovo is not expected until the Palestian state is rightfully formed and Hamas is kicked to Iran, if not annihilated completely.

Team Albania has always had excellent relations with the State of Israel and its people before that. We also have visa free travel. We understand Israel's position very well and recognition of Kosovo is not expected until the Palestian state is rightfully formed and Hamas is kicked to Iran, if not annihilated completely.
(Gustave, 28 April 2009, 17:35)

:D how ironic that an Albanian would have problems with terrorist groups. so its ok to kick hamas out but its not ok to kick KLA out? keep contradicting yourselves, it provides some great laughs for others on this forum

“He is right. I can't wait till mullahs will recognize Kosovo. Two progressive countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia with public hangings and public beheadings on Fridays inshallah, do belong together.”

“Iran provided the Bosnian-Muslims with 2/3rds of their military hardware during the 1992-95 war, and Iranian Revolutionary Guardsmen helped train the KLA. Serbia should be the first country on any list condemning Iran.”

Ataman and Alex, guess on whose side Iran lined up at the ICJ on Kosovo issues. So, you should maybe be a bit thankful to them also, not only to Israel that has stated: "Israel has not recognized Kosovo’s independence and sees no reason to change its position at this moment in time".

“:D how ironic that an Albanian would have problems with terrorist groups. so its ok to kick hamas out but its not ok to kick KLA out? keep contradicting yourselves, it provides some great laughs for others on this forum”

hmm, you can not compare KLA with Hamas. I have never heard US, EU or any other country (apart Serbia and maybe Russia) to have called KLA a terrorist organization. Serbia at that time (and even nowadays) has done everything possible to present KLA as a terrorist organization, but it did not succeed, that’s why the world supported the KLA cause.


“Dulo, you seem to forget that Albanians joined Hitler in WW2 which I am sure Israelis haven't forgotten.
So tell us how is it that a nation which supported Hitler managed to save Jews? Did you SS division get confused which side they were on?”

Peggy, the way you put it is like all Albanians joined Hitler. So if that was the case, then maybe you could tell us how come all those Jews were saved in Albania? Or maybe you refuse accepting the fact that those Jews were saved for real.

The Israeli ambassador said he was disappointed with Serbian state policy on the question of Iran, noting that Belgrade had not condemned a state which "encourages and supports terrorism," he said.

He is right. I can't wait till mullahs will recognize Kosovo. Two progressive countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia with public hangings and public beheadings on Fridays inshallah, do belong together.

Serbia has nothing to do with Iran, Sudan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and some other ratholes who provide support for Chechen bandits.

Mr Ambasador

European citizens not brainwashed by western media are very dissapointed that jewish lobby in US and western Europe morally, financially and logisticly supported Islamo jihad against a nation with deep christian roots which in past had fought agains most inside and outside enemies of Christian europe.

Good move Israel dont give these muslims an inch no to kosovo and no to a palestine state.

That's good. A pariah state (snip)
(DimTuc, 28 April 2009, 19:09)

You seem to grow very pariah and very sour grapes lately. You can find sweeter ones growing north of Polar Circle.

Not much to argue with the rest: sour grapes taste sour, here I can only agree.

Iran provided the Bosnian-Muslims with 2/3rds of their military hardware during the 1992-95 war, and Iranian Revolutionary Guardsmen helped train the KLA. Serbia should be the first country on any list condemning Iran.

thx israel, next year in liberated kosovo...

Israel is in a difficult position (see: Palestinian statehood ambitions) so it's clear why they don't want to recognize Kosovo yet.

Israel is in the same position as Spain, Indonesia and other countries who have influences inside or near their borders that want to create a state for themselves.

However, the relations between the Republic of Albania and the State of Israel are excellent. Embassies were recently jointly opened.

Still, as an Albanian myself I completely understand where Israel is coming from as far as Kosovo is concerned.

It's not that Israel or Spain or Indonesia are Serbia's friends. They simply are supporting Serbia by default due to their own internal situations.

I wouldn't except a recognition from Israel, just as I don't expect one from Spain. It may happen in a few years if situations change, but not right now.

Neevertheless, watch out for a couple of recognitions coming within a week or two.

Your recognition won't be missed. No need to be recognized by a state such as Israel.

Dulo, you seem to forget that Albanians joined Hitler in WW2 which I am sure Israelis haven't forgotten.

So tell us how is it that a nation which supported Hitler managed to save Jews? Did you SS division get confused which side they were on?
(Peggy, 29 April 2009 00:53)

To clarify, Albanian nationalists in Kosovo joined Germans to fight Serbs, not Jews, just like Chetniks did to fight partizans.

to Peggy

Israel's only reason of this announcement is Palestine.

I'm sure that they (Israel) will recognize Kosovo in the future.

israel will recognize kosovo after the arab countrys have recognized kosovo.israel is the biggest ally of usa in the middle east

That's good. A pariah state that just massacred 1400 people in Gaza, one third of them children, including using white phosphorus, that has illegally occupied the Palestinian West Bank and Gaza, and illegally annexed the Palestinian East Jerusalem and Syrian Golan Heights, since 1967, that builds massive colonies ("settlements") all over the occupied territories to preclude any fair solution based on a contiguous Palestinian state, that has snubbed its nose at the UN more than any other country in the world, that massively violates the most elementary human rights of its Palestinian captives on a daily basis, from bombing ambulances, holding up pregnant women about to give birth for hours at checkpoints, uprooting olive groves enmasse, gunning down children at will, yeh, I'm glad you refuse to recognise the right of the Kosovar people to self-determination just as you actively deny that right to the Palestinian people. It would be awful if you ever changed your mind under US pressure. Bear in mind the international BDS movement against Israel - Boycott, Disinvestment, Sanctions - which is picking up steam, reminiscent of the international campaign against Israel's similar pariah apartheid ally, white South Africa.

throughout the 90s as the world looked on, horrified at what milosevic and his many willing executioners were foisting upon the world, most jewish voices around the world, incl. the israeli govt, came out squarely in support of the victims. there were specific actions, incl medical interventions and offers of refuge for SOME of the refugees, from bosnia and later Kosovo/a.

since that time, the israeli govt has changed its tune, big-time, not in any way because they realize the righteousness of serbia's cause (they don't) but because of a very narrow and short-sighted perspective on their relations with the palestinians. it shows an utter lack of clarity on the part of mainstream israeli politicians, and a cynical and immoral collaboration with the belgrade regime. it is utterly indefensible.

i will not comment on ww2 at this time, as every time i do my words are mysteriously lost in cyberspace. ouch!

Suddenly, Serbia is defended by undemocratic states like Iran, China or Russia. Serbia has tried the hardest to convince our world, that the Serbian fate has to be compared with that of the Jewish people. They are even using the term: 'The Serbian Holocaust'. How do you think is it possible that the state with the greatest Holocaust-deniers, Iran, feels the need to stand aside with Serbia? Is it really only because of the newly accomplished trade agreement or are you partners in denying too? What happened under Milosevic in Kosovo can't be denied, it was gruesome. In that time Serbia has lost the trust of the Albanians in Kosovo. There is no way back, they are independent!!

I think that the ambassador has noticed this too. He is a diplomat but not a fool. The Palestinian question is still open, a reason for Israel not to recognize Kosovo's independence. It is sufficient that they accept their passports.

do they really not think???

I mean,

do they really believe that the US support them out of sheer "friendship"?

why then those ridiculous remarks about Israels reasons being determined by "internal situations"?

and why these more or less desperate remarks about "key words"?

never heard of a certain ductus in diplomatic speech?

and last but not least, why those ashaming attempts to present the Albanians as philantropists in WWII when every only generally educated person knows it better?

Gentian
"...Albanian nationalists in Kosovo joined Germans to fight Serbs, not Jews..."
so since the Albanian national faught the Serbs within their own country they too were part of the perpetration axis of evil that took part in the "Serbian Holocaust" (and yes Cees there was one, and it was orders of magnitude worse than anything that happened in the 90s).

So according to the combined logic of Team Albania is that Kosovar Albania's took part to cleans the Serbs from Kosovo and 50+ years later finished their task. This is your reward for "good behaviour"?
At least the more your team spouts gibberish, the more it becomes clear to anyone who is willing to spend some time, that your whole game plan is based upon an antiquated nazi based ideology. Wow, I thought the rants about Milosevic's actions from the grave were amazing, but now I've just reminded us all that Hitler is commanding the Skanderbeg Division from the grave still.

Ohh interesting....

To clarify, Albanian nationalists in Kosovo joined Germans to fight Serbs, not Jews, just like Chetniks did to fight partizans.
(Gentian, 29 April 2009 07:00)

Chetniks were there BEFORE the Partizans, look it up and the Croats joined the Nazis to fight the Serbs as well I suppose. Is that way the Croats killed Jews as well as Serbs and Roma in Jasenovac?

As for Roberte/o, nobody is saying that Hitler is commanding the Albanians from the grave but he had plenty of support in WW2. So all this Jew saving is rubbish. No Nazi would save a Jew any more than kill Hitler.

I tried to explain more but B92 censured my whole post.

The history of jewish survival in Albania during WW2 is well documented, even by the Jewish Congress in US.

The mere fact that some of the central supporting figures of Kosovo independence in US are of jewish origin (Eliot Engel, Tom Lantosh, Wesley Clark, Joe Liberman, Charles Schumer etc) is another fact that says Izrael is of course acting out of its immediate interest right now and trying to keep things calm, just like Spain, Cyprus, Romania, Slovakia, as all have territorial disputes which they believe will not help their cause. Totally fair and understandable.

Most likely as things settle down, and they solve these disputes, sooner or later, they will recognize Kosovo. It is a matter of time only.

Lets not forget a very strong fact that Kosova has the biggest support from israelis, especially from the jewish community in USA.
The only reason why Israel is not accepting Kosova's Independence yet is because if Israel accepts it, then a lot of arab countries would not. So Israel is just waiting for enough arab countries to accept it.
The albanian nation is listed in the Museum of Holocaust in Israel as one of the righetous nations.
Also one fact, Albania was the only country in Europe who had more jews after ww2 than before, because a lot of jews went to Albania from other european countries and were saved there.
As senator Schummer (jewish) said " you albanians helped us the jews in our time of need, so now it is our turn to help you in your time of need". If anyone would like to see this, its in the following link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOJYnuvnGMs&feature=channel_page

Peggy, most nations in Eastern Europ: The Fins the Balts, the Slovaks, the Huhgarians, the Romanians, The Bulgarians, the Albanians, the Croats etc joint Hitler NOT because they shared his mad racist ideas.
The hisstoric lesson is that if no reconciliation between former enemies is acheaved and no all encoumpassing democratic institutions are instaled, the peace in Easter Europ will always be in danger.
(nik, 30 April 2009 06:33)

So what has this got to do with what I wrote?
I never said people should not reconcile.
I merely said that Albanians saving Jews is rubbish because they sided with Hitler.
Now either you side with Hitler which means that his enemies become your enemies and his victims also become your victims.
By all mean, reconcile but don't try to rewrite history.
You mentioned Croats. Well aren't they the ones who murdered Jews along with Serbs and Roma in Jasenovac?

What do you think Albanians did? Save the Jews and kill Germans?

Please stick to the point instead of a lesson in reconciliation.

Thank you for your support. Also, I'm happy to see that so many Albanian Serbs read Serbian news. It's only a matter of time before they realize that Serbia is the only way forward.

What do you think Albanians did? Save the Jews and kill Germans?
(Peggy, 30 April 2009 13:20)

Peggy,

What do you think Albanians are a nation of robots that are in a 100% unison? As in most countries Albania had two movements during WWII a Communist one and a Collaborationist one. The Collaborationsit one sided with the Germans and Italians because they saw it as a way to unite all the Albanian lands within one border. However the Communist Partisans fought against the Germans and after the Albanian liberation even fought alongside Serbian Partisans in Yugoslavia.

As a matter of fact it was the German fighting Greeks who ended up with zero Jews after WWII. Amazing how that works right?

"Alex, guess on whose side Iran lined up at the ICJ on Kosovo issues."

The same side as every other country in the world except for: the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Albania and the United States.

Peggy, most nations in Eastern Europ: The Fins the Balts, the Slovaks, the Huhgarians, the Romanians, The Bulgarians, the Albanians, the Croats etc joint Hitler NOT because they shared his mad racist ideas.
The hisstoric lesson is that if no reconciliation between former enemies is acheaved and no all encoumpassing democratic institutions are instaled, the peace in Easter Europ will always be in danger.

to clear things up:

comment no.31 was written by me, the one who always signs with "Jovan", BUT

this other "Jovan" who posted right after me, no.32, that was not me.

I´d ask everyone who writes here to at least add some other initial to his name, in order to avoid the impression of fake-comments and to be distinguishable at all.

thanks a lot and regards to all supports of international law and since it is about Israel in this article, thanks a lot Israel! your support is of course much more useful than by some tiny pacific island...

shalom and have a nice 1st of may!

(Ataman, 28 April 2009, 15:29)

"Serbia has nothing to do with Iran, Sudan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and some other ratholes who provide support for Chechen bandits."

I would beg to differ. These countries have religously motivated ideologies, yes, but how is that any different to Serbia's orthodox fundamentalism? The Orthodox church in Serbia has more power than the politicians, hence the misconception of kosovo as being the 'sacred and religious land' of Serbia, and in turn the impossible task of bringing Kosovo back under Serbian occupation which chauvists in the Serbian state endeavour.

Serbia is no differen to Iran or Afghanistan, as these countries only allow chauvism and religiously motivated policies to prevail. Kosovo is a Democratic state. The first Democratic party in the whole of the balkans was created in Kosovo by Ibrahim Rugova (LDK). There is no democracy, freedom of speech or movement in Serbia. Face it.

In terms of this article, it seems as though Serbia has found a friend in Land-grabbing antics.

Your recognition won't be missed. No need to be recognized by a state such as Israel.

"Israelis seem to forget that Albania didn't exradite a single jew to the nazis during the WW2. Or how many have risked the safety of their famillies to save the Jews during the war."

Dulo, you seem to forget that Albanians joined Hitler in WW2 which I am sure Israelis haven't forgotten.

So tell us how is it that a nation which supported Hitler managed to save Jews? Did you SS division get confused which side they were on?

Ha. Israel is a matter of time, just waiting to accomplish something else.
Kosovar citizens enter Israel w/o no problem, w/o visa.

Israelis seem to forget that Albania didn't exradite a single jew to the nazis during the WW2. Or how many have risked the safety of their famillies to save the Jews during the war.

Perhaps the ambassador should visit the jewish museum in New York and read about the Jews that the aAlbanians saved and how many Jews are alive because of the courage and resiliance of the Albanian people.

But anyway, there will be more than plenty that will recognise in due time, I am sure Israel will someday too soon.

Team Albania has always had excellent relations with the State of Israel and its people before that. We also have visa free travel. We understand Israel's position very well and recognition of Kosovo is not expected until the Palestian state is rightfully formed and Hamas is kicked to Iran, if not annihilated completely.

Suddenly, Serbia is defended by undemocratic states like Iran, China or Russia. Serbia has tried the hardest to convince our world, that the Serbian fate has to be compared with that of the Jewish people. They are even using the term: 'The Serbian Holocaust'. How do you think is it possible that the state with the greatest Holocaust-deniers, Iran, feels the need to stand aside with Serbia? Is it really only because of the newly accomplished trade agreement or are you partners in denying too? What happened under Milosevic in Kosovo can't be denied, it was gruesome. In that time Serbia has lost the trust of the Albanians in Kosovo. There is no way back, they are independent!!

I think that the ambassador has noticed this too. He is a diplomat but not a fool. The Palestinian question is still open, a reason for Israel not to recognize Kosovo's independence. It is sufficient that they accept their passports.

Gotta love this:
"Israel has not recognized Kosovo’s independence and sees no reason to change its position at this moment in time".

Keywords - "at this moment in time".

Israel has been one of Kosovo's strongest allies.

Some even blame the hesitance of the Islamic countries in recognizing Kosovo on this "alliance".

Israel is not recognizing because it does not want to irritate the Islamic nations. Recognition from Israel will occur once the majority of Islamic countries recognize.

Therefore, that "moment in time" will pass really soon.

Dulo, you seem to forget that Albanians joined Hitler in WW2 which I am sure Israelis haven't forgotten.

So tell us how is it that a nation which supported Hitler managed to save Jews? Did you SS division get confused which side they were on?
(Peggy, 29 April 2009 00:53)

To clarify, Albanian nationalists in Kosovo joined Germans to fight Serbs, not Jews, just like Chetniks did to fight partizans.

to Peggy

Israel's only reason of this announcement is Palestine.

I'm sure that they (Israel) will recognize Kosovo in the future.

Team Albania has always had excellent relations with the State of Israel and its people before that. We also have visa free travel. We understand Israel's position very well and recognition of Kosovo is not expected until the Palestian state is rightfully formed and Hamas is kicked to Iran, if not annihilated completely.
(Gustave, 28 April 2009, 17:35)

:D how ironic that an Albanian would have problems with terrorist groups. so its ok to kick hamas out but its not ok to kick KLA out? keep contradicting yourselves, it provides some great laughs for others on this forum

israel will recognize kosovo after the arab countrys have recognized kosovo.israel is the biggest ally of usa in the middle east

Good move Israel dont give these muslims an inch no to kosovo and no to a palestine state.

“He is right. I can't wait till mullahs will recognize Kosovo. Two progressive countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia with public hangings and public beheadings on Fridays inshallah, do belong together.”

“Iran provided the Bosnian-Muslims with 2/3rds of their military hardware during the 1992-95 war, and Iranian Revolutionary Guardsmen helped train the KLA. Serbia should be the first country on any list condemning Iran.”

Ataman and Alex, guess on whose side Iran lined up at the ICJ on Kosovo issues. So, you should maybe be a bit thankful to them also, not only to Israel that has stated: "Israel has not recognized Kosovo’s independence and sees no reason to change its position at this moment in time".

“:D how ironic that an Albanian would have problems with terrorist groups. so its ok to kick hamas out but its not ok to kick KLA out? keep contradicting yourselves, it provides some great laughs for others on this forum”

hmm, you can not compare KLA with Hamas. I have never heard US, EU or any other country (apart Serbia and maybe Russia) to have called KLA a terrorist organization. Serbia at that time (and even nowadays) has done everything possible to present KLA as a terrorist organization, but it did not succeed, that’s why the world supported the KLA cause.


“Dulo, you seem to forget that Albanians joined Hitler in WW2 which I am sure Israelis haven't forgotten.
So tell us how is it that a nation which supported Hitler managed to save Jews? Did you SS division get confused which side they were on?”

Peggy, the way you put it is like all Albanians joined Hitler. So if that was the case, then maybe you could tell us how come all those Jews were saved in Albania? Or maybe you refuse accepting the fact that those Jews were saved for real.

Thank you Peggy for stating the obvious I was about to write the same thing.
The Albanians had their own SS division and it was noted as the worst one as well. If anybdy helped the nation of Israel then it's Serbia. Who might I add also suffered a huge number of casualities.
R.I.P to those who lost their lives in the Halocaust.
Happy bitthday to Israel today!!
Thanks.

That's good. A pariah state that just massacred 1400 people in Gaza, one third of them children, including using white phosphorus, that has illegally occupied the Palestinian West Bank and Gaza, and illegally annexed the Palestinian East Jerusalem and Syrian Golan Heights, since 1967, that builds massive colonies ("settlements") all over the occupied territories to preclude any fair solution based on a contiguous Palestinian state, that has snubbed its nose at the UN more than any other country in the world, that massively violates the most elementary human rights of its Palestinian captives on a daily basis, from bombing ambulances, holding up pregnant women about to give birth for hours at checkpoints, uprooting olive groves enmasse, gunning down children at will, yeh, I'm glad you refuse to recognise the right of the Kosovar people to self-determination just as you actively deny that right to the Palestinian people. It would be awful if you ever changed your mind under US pressure. Bear in mind the international BDS movement against Israel - Boycott, Disinvestment, Sanctions - which is picking up steam, reminiscent of the international campaign against Israel's similar pariah apartheid ally, white South Africa.

thx israel, next year in liberated kosovo...

throughout the 90s as the world looked on, horrified at what milosevic and his many willing executioners were foisting upon the world, most jewish voices around the world, incl. the israeli govt, came out squarely in support of the victims. there were specific actions, incl medical interventions and offers of refuge for SOME of the refugees, from bosnia and later Kosovo/a.

since that time, the israeli govt has changed its tune, big-time, not in any way because they realize the righteousness of serbia's cause (they don't) but because of a very narrow and short-sighted perspective on their relations with the palestinians. it shows an utter lack of clarity on the part of mainstream israeli politicians, and a cynical and immoral collaboration with the belgrade regime. it is utterly indefensible.

i will not comment on ww2 at this time, as every time i do my words are mysteriously lost in cyberspace. ouch!

Israel is in a difficult position (see: Palestinian statehood ambitions) so it's clear why they don't want to recognize Kosovo yet.

Israel is in the same position as Spain, Indonesia and other countries who have influences inside or near their borders that want to create a state for themselves.

However, the relations between the Republic of Albania and the State of Israel are excellent. Embassies were recently jointly opened.

Still, as an Albanian myself I completely understand where Israel is coming from as far as Kosovo is concerned.

It's not that Israel or Spain or Indonesia are Serbia's friends. They simply are supporting Serbia by default due to their own internal situations.

I wouldn't except a recognition from Israel, just as I don't expect one from Spain. It may happen in a few years if situations change, but not right now.

Neevertheless, watch out for a couple of recognitions coming within a week or two.

The Israeli ambassador said he was disappointed with Serbian state policy on the question of Iran, noting that Belgrade had not condemned a state which "encourages and supports terrorism," he said.

He is right. I can't wait till mullahs will recognize Kosovo. Two progressive countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia with public hangings and public beheadings on Fridays inshallah, do belong together.

Serbia has nothing to do with Iran, Sudan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and some other ratholes who provide support for Chechen bandits.

Jews who know history understand very well that the Serbs are the most tolerant people in the Balkans especailly when it comes to Jews.The US will never dictate anything to Israel and the Jews will NEVER AGAIN bow to the wishes of any other peole or nation(including the US)when it is a question of our very survival.I am an American but the heart of every righteous Jew beats in Jerusalem.Jews respect the very beautiful Albanian people and Israel wishes to have good relations with both but will never recognize the UDI before Serbia itself does.Jews understand that the heart every righteous Serb beats in Kosovo.Shalom to the Serbs and Albanians

Israel is a real friend of Serbia, I hope good relations will remain in future.

Well, well - the USA's greatest ally and number one client state refuses point blank to recognise Kosovo. How do you explain this one, Team Albania? You must be worried that your loss of diplomatic momentum will be terminal.

In terms of this article, it seems as though Serbia has found a friend in Land-grabbing antics.
(Mirsad UK, 28 April 2009 18:19)

"Land-grabbing antics" you say. Sweet Mother of Jesus, you lot have it perfected to a science.

Are Team Albanian planning on moving into glasshouses and throw stones at the Serbs.

US is a matter of time. The Israeli lobby will start to pull the strings in US and the recognition will be revoked.

Iran provided the Bosnian-Muslims with 2/3rds of their military hardware during the 1992-95 war, and Iranian Revolutionary Guardsmen helped train the KLA. Serbia should be the first country on any list condemning Iran.

Mr Ambasador

European citizens not brainwashed by western media are very dissapointed that jewish lobby in US and western Europe morally, financially and logisticly supported Islamo jihad against a nation with deep christian roots which in past had fought agains most inside and outside enemies of Christian europe.

That's good. A pariah state (snip)
(DimTuc, 28 April 2009, 19:09)

You seem to grow very pariah and very sour grapes lately. You can find sweeter ones growing north of Polar Circle.

Not much to argue with the rest: sour grapes taste sour, here I can only agree.

To clarify, Albanian nationalists in Kosovo joined Germans to fight Serbs, not Jews, just like Chetniks did to fight partizans.
(Gentian, 29 April 2009 07:00)

Chetniks were there BEFORE the Partizans, look it up and the Croats joined the Nazis to fight the Serbs as well I suppose. Is that way the Croats killed Jews as well as Serbs and Roma in Jasenovac?

As for Roberte/o, nobody is saying that Hitler is commanding the Albanians from the grave but he had plenty of support in WW2. So all this Jew saving is rubbish. No Nazi would save a Jew any more than kill Hitler.

do they really not think???

I mean,

do they really believe that the US support them out of sheer "friendship"?

why then those ridiculous remarks about Israels reasons being determined by "internal situations"?

and why these more or less desperate remarks about "key words"?

never heard of a certain ductus in diplomatic speech?

and last but not least, why those ashaming attempts to present the Albanians as philantropists in WWII when every only generally educated person knows it better?

Gentian
"...Albanian nationalists in Kosovo joined Germans to fight Serbs, not Jews..."
so since the Albanian national faught the Serbs within their own country they too were part of the perpetration axis of evil that took part in the "Serbian Holocaust" (and yes Cees there was one, and it was orders of magnitude worse than anything that happened in the 90s).

So according to the combined logic of Team Albania is that Kosovar Albania's took part to cleans the Serbs from Kosovo and 50+ years later finished their task. This is your reward for "good behaviour"?
At least the more your team spouts gibberish, the more it becomes clear to anyone who is willing to spend some time, that your whole game plan is based upon an antiquated nazi based ideology. Wow, I thought the rants about Milosevic's actions from the grave were amazing, but now I've just reminded us all that Hitler is commanding the Skanderbeg Division from the grave still.

Ohh interesting....

Thank you for your support. Also, I'm happy to see that so many Albanian Serbs read Serbian news. It's only a matter of time before they realize that Serbia is the only way forward.

Lets not forget a very strong fact that Kosova has the biggest support from israelis, especially from the jewish community in USA.
The only reason why Israel is not accepting Kosova's Independence yet is because if Israel accepts it, then a lot of arab countries would not. So Israel is just waiting for enough arab countries to accept it.
The albanian nation is listed in the Museum of Holocaust in Israel as one of the righetous nations.
Also one fact, Albania was the only country in Europe who had more jews after ww2 than before, because a lot of jews went to Albania from other european countries and were saved there.
As senator Schummer (jewish) said " you albanians helped us the jews in our time of need, so now it is our turn to help you in your time of need". If anyone would like to see this, its in the following link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOJYnuvnGMs&feature=channel_page

Peggy, most nations in Eastern Europ: The Fins the Balts, the Slovaks, the Huhgarians, the Romanians, The Bulgarians, the Albanians, the Croats etc joint Hitler NOT because they shared his mad racist ideas.
The hisstoric lesson is that if no reconciliation between former enemies is acheaved and no all encoumpassing democratic institutions are instaled, the peace in Easter Europ will always be in danger.
(nik, 30 April 2009 06:33)

So what has this got to do with what I wrote?
I never said people should not reconcile.
I merely said that Albanians saving Jews is rubbish because they sided with Hitler.
Now either you side with Hitler which means that his enemies become your enemies and his victims also become your victims.
By all mean, reconcile but don't try to rewrite history.
You mentioned Croats. Well aren't they the ones who murdered Jews along with Serbs and Roma in Jasenovac?

What do you think Albanians did? Save the Jews and kill Germans?

Please stick to the point instead of a lesson in reconciliation.

"Alex, guess on whose side Iran lined up at the ICJ on Kosovo issues."

The same side as every other country in the world except for: the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Albania and the United States.

to clear things up:

comment no.31 was written by me, the one who always signs with "Jovan", BUT

this other "Jovan" who posted right after me, no.32, that was not me.

I´d ask everyone who writes here to at least add some other initial to his name, in order to avoid the impression of fake-comments and to be distinguishable at all.

thanks a lot and regards to all supports of international law and since it is about Israel in this article, thanks a lot Israel! your support is of course much more useful than by some tiny pacific island...

shalom and have a nice 1st of may!

Peggy, most nations in Eastern Europ: The Fins the Balts, the Slovaks, the Huhgarians, the Romanians, The Bulgarians, the Albanians, the Croats etc joint Hitler NOT because they shared his mad racist ideas.
The hisstoric lesson is that if no reconciliation between former enemies is acheaved and no all encoumpassing democratic institutions are instaled, the peace in Easter Europ will always be in danger.

I tried to explain more but B92 censured my whole post.

The history of jewish survival in Albania during WW2 is well documented, even by the Jewish Congress in US.

The mere fact that some of the central supporting figures of Kosovo independence in US are of jewish origin (Eliot Engel, Tom Lantosh, Wesley Clark, Joe Liberman, Charles Schumer etc) is another fact that says Izrael is of course acting out of its immediate interest right now and trying to keep things calm, just like Spain, Cyprus, Romania, Slovakia, as all have territorial disputes which they believe will not help their cause. Totally fair and understandable.

Most likely as things settle down, and they solve these disputes, sooner or later, they will recognize Kosovo. It is a matter of time only.

What do you think Albanians did? Save the Jews and kill Germans?
(Peggy, 30 April 2009 13:20)

Peggy,

What do you think Albanians are a nation of robots that are in a 100% unison? As in most countries Albania had two movements during WWII a Communist one and a Collaborationist one. The Collaborationsit one sided with the Germans and Italians because they saw it as a way to unite all the Albanian lands within one border. However the Communist Partisans fought against the Germans and after the Albanian liberation even fought alongside Serbian Partisans in Yugoslavia.

As a matter of fact it was the German fighting Greeks who ended up with zero Jews after WWII. Amazing how that works right?