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Saturday, 25.04.2009.

10:45

Shots fired, police use tear gas in K. Mitrovica

EULEX police have used tear gas to prevent a clash of Serbs from the Brđani neighborhood with Albanians this Saturday.

Izvor: Tanjug

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veki

pre 15 godina

Just to say I am sending strength to the brave brothers and sisters in K.Mitrovica. All Serbs support you, because you are right. The return must be reciprocal!
This rebuilding K-Albanian houses is a straightforward cynicism since nobody is going to pay for Serbian property burned, damaged, destroyed.
If the government of so-called state of Kosovo was serious they'll start in the same time with the full-fledged return program for K-Serbs rebuilding their houses south of Ibar.
They think they can get away with this brainwashing 'democratic' statements and act one-sidedly to pursue ethnic discrimination forever as they are very well used to.
NO, they can't.Stand up and demand your rights, we are with you.

LMN II, USA

pre 15 godina

To "32": (LMN II, USA, 26 April 2009 16:05)

Your writing does not seem to be an American model of witting and thinking.
(Luan, Michigan, 27 April 2009 16:54)

What in the h@ll does that mean? Most Americans, except for some military personnel, have no idea where the Balkans are, let along Kosovo. I talk to people everyday and most of them have never heard of Camp Bondsteel, but I must admit that it's become a mission of mine to educate those very same people about the various nuances of the region. Many Americans know nothing about the region's history. Many American's were never taught in our schools about SS Skanderbeg, SS Handzar, Jasnevac, the saving of American airmen who were shot down by the Nazis and their sympathizers during WWII, Ottoman rule, the Battle of Kosovo Polje and it's importance, as well as, recent history like the constant back and forth between Serbs and Albanians in the province, the March 2004 riots and so on and so forth. During those tumultuous late 90s most Americans only heard one side of the story, not both sides of the story, the mainstream media was extremely biased against the Serb people. Also, many Americans, especially Christian Americans, have no idea how the Orthodox Christian faith in Kosovo is under constant persecution by the predominately muslim Albanians. Believe this, if the Kosovo mess had happened after 9/11 there would have been absolutely no help at all on behalf of the ethnic Albanians and let's just leave it at that.

Luan, Michigan

pre 15 godina

To "32": (LMN II, USA, 26 April 2009 16:05)

Your writing does not seem to be an American model of witting and thinking.

Plisi

pre 15 godina

"Expelling people was tried after WW-I and WW-II, it did not work and it took 50 years for wounds to heal"
According to you Ataman our wounds will get heald something around yr2060.Expelling as exactly the Kosovo Serbs helped by serbian military tried to do to KA.

Fisi

pre 15 godina

Question: Assuming that Kosovo is Serbia, as many of you claim, is the Serb reaction to the Albanian home re-builders in northern Kosovo the way Serbia wants to integrate Albanians in their society?

Don't forget, the place the incident happened is Serb controlled, so you can not claim that Kosovar authorities do not let you integrate them into your society.

PZ

pre 15 godina

LMN II, USA,”Furthermore, Im sick and tired of hearing the Albanians talk about Serbs not paying their electricity bills so they should have it shut off. Well, there are many, many thousands of Albanians who havent paid theirs either, but their electricity isnt getting cut off is it. How do you expect the Serbs to pay for that, let along food half of the time, when it isnt even safe for farmers to go out to farm their land. How do you expect Serbs to pay for anything when there is no way in hell they will ever get any good jobs without having to lick the boots of those who seek to enslave them. I have no respect for Albanians, none whatsoever, because all they want is to take, take, take and to give nothing in return.”

The problem with electricity payment is not only with Serbs, but with some 40% (if I’m not wrong) of total households in Kosovo. Neighborhoods, villages and even regions have been categorized in 3 categories: http://www.kek-energy.com/kek-cmnPg.jsp?mID=182&cat=181&l=2 depending on the percentage of payment. Now, let’s take an example: an X person lives in a neighborhood where only 20% pay electricity, including the X person. Unfortunately this X person will get power supply similar to the rest of 80% who don’t pay, because he lives in that same neighborhood and fall under same category.
Situation with Serb villages is worse. For 10 years most of them have not paid.

As far as employment is concerned I absolutely disagree with you. There are many Serbs employed in Kosovo, being it in international organizations or even in Kosovo Institutions. Many jobs when advertised are foreseen for Serbs. There are a reserved number of jobs especially for them, but it is something else that they don’t want to work with Kosovo institutions or with some international organizations. I’m sure you are aware with police who are getting salaries (similar to the Albanians) and not going to work, plus if we add the amount given by Serbian Government then they surly are getting at least 3 times more than their Albanian colleagues.


“Also, the ethnic Albanians are damn lucky Im not President. I would shut Bondsteel down, completely dismantle it, and bring all the US soldiers home. I would stop "donating" money to this money pit, de-recognize the province and tell Serbia to do whatever they want with it since it is SERBIAN LAND.”

As for this statement I really have no comment, it speaks for itself! Serbia once did whatever it wanted and the world judged it!

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Demi wrote:

But this only shows that the only problem in Kosovo is the serb population. Why don't bosniaks,romas,montenegros and other minoritys act the same

Why? Because they are too terrified to even exist there let alone make any noise.
Last night I watched a documentary about the Roma of Kosovo. They are on led contaminated land in Serbian part of Kosovo and have been there for the past 9 years. Children are dying of led poisoning but they still refuse to go back to their Mahala because it would mean living next to the very people who chased them out of their homes all those years ago. Yes, Albanians.
The Roma are Muslim as well but this did not stop Albanians from ethnically clensing them as well.
The only reason Serbs are standing up to you is because there is enough of them in the north, but you certainly have put enough barb wire around the ones in Albanian dominated areas to keep those quiet for a while.

LMN II, USA

pre 15 godina

To clarify i am half New Zealander half Kosovar .


Let's be realistic now, there is NO such thing as a Kosovar. Those that live in the province of Kosovo are either Serb or Albanian, nothing more, nothing less. Enough with this politically correct, a person can call an apple an orange, but that doesnt make it so.

JC, USA

pre 15 godina

"This is a perfect example of why there shouldn't be any Serbs in Kosova. Do what Croatia did and take all north by force, period..."

Wow, comments like these remind me just how big of a mistake the U.S. made in supporting you...

Ataman

pre 15 godina

@LMN

Radical ideas do not work either way. I would rather see them to grow up. This is why all the UNMIK/EULEX/whatever hoopla is about.

Expelling people was tried after WW-I and WW-II, it did not work and it took 50 years for wounds to heal.

LMN II, USA

pre 15 godina

If Kosovo is multi-ethnic I would hate to see what it would be like if it werent. This pseudo-state is a sham, a province ripped from a sovereign country by BS propaganda and ethnic Albanian terrorism. As an American I am embarrased and ashamed knowing what my country did not only in Kosovo, but the entire region. First it's Kosovo, than what's next for the terrorist landgrabbers, pieces of Macedonia and Montenegro possibly. Where ever there is an area that is majority ethnic Albanian there are eventual demands for more freedoms...more of their own schools, less and less of the host nation's influence, more autonomy, more this, more that, more, more, more. Im sick of such a people who act like spoiled little children and throw temper tantrums (ie...threats, intimidation, seccesion, etc..) when they don't get their way. Im sick of my country and many of the western European countries coddling them, donating hundreds of millions of dollars to them when it should be getting used in their own countries for their own people during this economic mess. WE OWE THEM NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!Believe me, the last place I want my tax dollars ending up is in some crooked ethnic Albanian politician's pockets while the minorities in Kosovo are constantly screwed left and right and then blamed for it by the very people who are persecuting them. The only way there will ever be true peace in Kosovo is if all the minorities pack up and move to one of the adjacent states, you know REAL countries.

Furthermore, Im sick and tired of hearing the Albanians talk about Serbs not paying their electricity bills so they should have it shut off. Well, there are many, many thousands of Albanians who havent paid theirs either, but their electricity isnt getting cut off is it. How do you expect the Serbs to pay for that, let along food half of the time, when it isnt even safe for farmers to go out to farm their land. How do you expect Serbs to pay for anything when there is no way in hell they will ever get any good jobs without having to lick the boots of those who seek to enslave them. I have no respect for Albanians, none whatsoever, because all they want is to take, take, take and to give nothing in return.

Also, the ethnic Albanians are damn lucky Im not President. I would shut Bondsteel down, completely dismantle it, and bring all the US soldiers home. I would stop "donating" money to this money pit, de-recognize the province and tell Serbia to do whatever they want with it since it is SERBIAN LAND.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

"You are the one who's being childish mister. And you are about twice my age (I'm 24)."

No problem, Gustave, add an other 20-something and in 2030 you will see, why I was right. The "minuses" are merely an indicator of some sad facts about the level of education and political culture. I do not feel offended in person.

Feel free to look at the results of math. olympiads or other competitions of academic nature: Albania has a lot of work to do - and where is KiM? I would not object to see a separate KiM team on this one, but I would be afraid to even see the scores. Compare "ALB" scores in math with ones of a humble country like Mongolia (MNG) and think about it:

http://www.imo-official.org/results.aspx

About your "minuses" on the Easter - here Serbs are 100% innocent. You had two comments:

http://tinyurl.com/c47b45

The first got only "+", but some may feel, mentioning "harakiri" in the second is not proper on THAT particular day because it could bring bad luck. Has 100% nothing to do with being Albanian or not, more with some people being over-superstitious.

Xythi

pre 15 godina

regardless of unacceptable excuses serb minority are giving to cause trouble, the fact is had there been KPS involved in sending the trouble makers away and use that little bit of force EULEX forces used, i bet you monday morning UN emergency meeting would have been on monday morning.

Gustave

pre 15 godina

See, this "-18" is precisely the reason why Albanians have a stillborn case, no matter how strong their alleged allies are.
Read the comment twice, sit down and (who can do it) think, why am I writing it and why am I 100% right on.

I also have to say, Illyrians+Thracians and Dacians could be related, but in 21st century the later seem to be significantly ahead in education, culture of debate, "europeannes" and what-not. A lot of room to improve for "Team Albania" and learn how to avoid scoring in own goal-net. Jesus, like a kindergarten.
(Ataman, 26 April 2009 09:41)

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=58460

Oh c'mon, I got a -3 from your beloved Serbs just because I'm Albanian even though it was Easter day. One Albanian, the only that gets negatives. Yet I don't complain because I know who the trolls are and my people have seen MUCH worse from them.

You are the one who's being childish mister. And you are about twice my age (I'm 24).

Seriously what's the point of complaining at the minuses, even though you deserve them, given you never bash the Serbian posters for their love for Mladic & co, and their long list of war-morngering comments (like say Albania will become part of Serbia)?

Sidi's comment is heartfelt by many a K.Albanians. They don't need money to post what they post.

BH_NYC

pre 15 godina

I would say to some commentators here to read the article again and see what it’s about.
What the Serbs are doing in Mitrovica is 100% wrong and the western world will see it as such. This right now is much more important for K-Albanians then getting involved in discussions about Thracians, Moldova, Tibet and the rest of the world’s history. These are failed attempts made by certain commentators specifically for the purpose of distraction. I can see that they are happier right now to debate anything but what’s happening in Mitrovica but it’s not going to work.

Virg, New Zealand

pre 15 godina

This is stupid !

If Kosovo Serbs think that they will get what they want by doing this i think they need to re think the Kosovar Albanians have the right to re construct in our Kosova and also Serbs should re construct too in Kosovo. But either way there should not be any violence or disruption from both sides .

To clarify i am half New Zealander half Kosovar .

BB

pre 15 godina

"It is low thanks to KFOR! If not for them there wouldn't be one serb left in Kosovo and there wouln't be any churches or monasteries left either."


Don't be that sure Mike C.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

(Ataman, 25 April 2009 22:10)
Recommend (+5) Poor comment (-18)


See, this "-18" is precisely the reason why Albanians have a stillborn case, no matter how strong their alleged allies are.
Read the comment twice, sit down and (who can do it) think, why am I writing it and why am I 100% right on.

I also have to say, Illyrians+Thracians and Dacians could be related, but in 21st century the later seem to be significantly ahead in education, culture of debate, "europeannes" and what-not. A lot of room to improve for "Team Albania" and learn how to avoid scoring in own goal-net. Jesus, like a kindergarten.

Ron

pre 15 godina

It is about time the Albanians start accepting the fact that Kosovo is part of Serbia.

Then reconciliation can start!

No new borders, no new states!

And to EA: no, Kosovo is not an independent state. Please check 1244.

Unnecessary problems like the ones in Kosovo are making people in Western Europe getting tired of the whole of the Balkan! Stop it!

If you (Balkan nations) start acting like childs the moment will come that the West says: enough is enough, no new EU members from Balkan please!

Jovan

pre 15 godina

to the "expert" laki-bani who is in all seriousness claiming that Serbia startet all conflicts in the yugoslav-wars...

my dear, you´re simply repeating a quite silly legend, and it´s been said and written countless times by the k-albanian propagandists here...

nevertheless, is remains pure nonsense.

in Slovenia, slovenian irregular forces attacked yugoslav border facilities.

in Croatia, croatian radicals kidnapped local Serbs and tortured and killed them BEFORE the first armed clashes had begun.

in Bosnia... muslim radicals, with a known underworld-criminal on top killed a wedding-couple and the father of the groom.

once again, it was not the Serbs who started the conflicts...

and in southern Serbia it was the terrorist organisation, the socalled kla that killed civillians, both Serbs and Albanians in order to incite ethnic clashes.


so, lakibani, ...you may go on to spread lies - but there will very likely follow a comment that will clear things up.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

I wouldn't take all comments too seriously, he's most probably just winding you up. You might have even studied together, judging by the similarities of your comments.
(BH_NYC, 25 April 2009 18:36)

Easy to avoid by not winding up. You can find some good counter-examples. The "Albanian" question is not any more difficult than the "Transylvanian" question. As you remember well, few weeks ago there was some pretty emotional discussion about Moldova being Romanian, alleged Russian and Romanian influence during Voronin-elections and is Transylvania a stolen land or not.

Somehow things weren't looking even remotely as bad. Everyone has own views and probably the public education of each country is not without guilt either.

But things can become youtube-like in other case, completely out of control. If I see winding up by intent, I may also leave comments about "Quetzalcoatl, the evil pigeon-snake deity" or "Arnauts from Caucasus" if I am in teasing mood. I do not know, is that "Quetzal from Caucasus" the most efficient thing from pedagogic point of view (the undeclared goal is: achieve some kind of a Pavlovian reflex), but what is good for goose...

Little suggestion.

If Albanians want to achieve some kind of verbal victory here, they can try:

a) To write: "We, Dardanians climbed down the tree first, you, Serbs came from Ural - marsh back there to your Russian monkey brothers". My guess is: very-very poor chance of success. Most likely will result in an essay about Quetzal and his habit to devour human organs (reference to infamous yellow house).

b) To write: "We, Dardanians have temple near the city X, a castle near the city Y, according these, these and these sources it is pre-Slavic. Just look and see"

The expected answer will be probably some debate without much emotions and some probably even will visit the said site in person. You have a clear chance to convince the opponent. And even if not, you may achieve that some people will leave few hundred Dollars in the area while visiting it. Dollar is Dollar, even if it is paid to you by your opponent. I see only a clear gain.

From the previous, very heated debate Romanian "gang" came out probably as a winner because if nothing else, I decided to spend an easy weekend near Vajdahunyad/Hunedoara this Summer to see these two unusual buildings in person. I am a cheapskater, but even with that "Team Romania" has probably a 100-200 Euro win....

MikeC

pre 15 godina

laki bani

1. If Albanians were so determined (according to you) to force out Serbs from Kosovo I guarantee that KFOR would not be able to
protect anyone.

I will answere this with a question: How many serbs are left in Kosovo if you don't include the North? Not many so you have already
accomplished your mission.

2. You are blaming us over our disturbance related to the Milosevic’s era.

No no no no! You didn't read my comments very carefully. I didn't blame Milisevic dictatorship and crimes on albanians. Milisevic was a horrible dictator. He didn't just murder albanians but even his own people. I know that albanians were not always treated well and that is of course wrong. But in this case it's about albanians accusing serbs and vice verca. Albanians in Kosovo have for a long time before Milosevic came to power been harassing serbs. Serbs have for a long time been the minority in Kosovo and it's a known fact, at least to most serbs, that albanians have wanted to rid Kosovo of its serb population.

Serbias relations with its neighbors has been hampered becasuse of the recognition of Kosovo. You should know how strongly Serbia feels about this so Serbias reaction is expected. How would you feel if Albanian did not recognize Kosovo? That's how serbs felt about Montenegro recognizing Kosovo. What makes it worse is that they stabbed Serbia in the back just becasue they were pressured by the US/UK. That's how we serbs see it. Not expecting you to understand.

Finally, one recurring statement from albanians is that Serbia started all conflicts in the former Yugoslavia. I don't agree. Croatia wanted to break apart giving no guaranties to its serb minority. Given how serbs were treated by the ustase their reaction was not surpriseng. Serbs took up arms. Who wouldn't? Bosnia dissregarded the opinion of 33% of the population by declaring independence. Serbs have painfull memories from WW2 so this decision from the muslims and croats was the worst possible. This was about two people threatening a third party. If serbs wouldn't have resisted no serbs would be left in Bosnia.
Serbia has commited crimes against other people but that doesn't mean that Serbia is up for grabs. It doesn't mean serbs today can be harassed and killed at will. Balkan people, regardless of nationality, are very stubborn. That's why there won't be real peace any time soon.

laki bani

pre 15 godina

Despite my all sincere efforts to get some common ground and display some kind of neutrality even I belong to a part in all this, I see that you my dear MikeC are so unconventional, convincing me that I am just vesting my time discussing the matter. However, once more I’ll be trying to come up with a few significant evidences which are same time a response to your latest allegations.
1. If Albanians were so determined (according to you) to force out Serbs from Kosovo I guarantee that KFOR would not be able to protect anyone.
2. You are blaming us over our disturbance related to the Milosevic’s era, forgetting that it was a long (more than ten years) time accompanied with a systematic pressure asserted towards everything with the prefix Albanian. Same time crying so much about two days which of course made nobody glad, thus we are willingly paying price while displaying towards the entire world our unhappiness. What we didn’t see up to now Serbian side doing that.
3. As far as Old Serbian woman is concerned. Doesn’t mean automatically that it is done by Albanians if anything happens in Kosovo.
4. I also want to stress that KPC has offered their readiness and dedication to protecting all Serbian holly places all over Kosovo. It is an official offer that shouldn’t be underestimated.
5. I don’t have to ask myself of Serbian relations to the neighboring nations. Because it is well known fact that Serbia just recently has broken its diplomatic relations with all above mentioned.
6. finally; it was Serbia who started conflicts in all parts of ex. Yugoslavia
and so on, and so on…….

Matthew

pre 15 godina

We Serbs do have legitimate complaints. However, I think the response we should have should be to try to rebuild our homes just like the Albanians are doing. It does not help our cause to have incidents like this, it only looks bad. There’s really no valid excuse not to let people return to their homes.

VB

pre 15 godina

40000 Serbs have yet to return to their houses/flats in Pristina. What has the international community done in that regard - nothing at all.

BH_NYC

pre 15 godina

' Out of curiosity - how much does Sali Berisha or "snake" pay for such comment?
(Ataman, 25 April 2009 17:47) '

I wouldn't take all comments too seriously, he's most probably just winding you up. You might have even studied together, judging by the similarities of your comments.

Miri

pre 15 godina

MikeC

Also, about denounce of attacks at serbs, (that u mentioned) by Kosovo authorities. This would be unfair fo serb community, to get the verdict by "enemy". (i.e. the serb criminal court's verdict about massacre in Suhareka. Letting free the main persons invloved in that case. Lets be fair - this is not fair). Even, serbs don't accept KS authorities' decisions, and they dont want to be part of those. - So, thats why here are the International judges, who explore this things. (i.e. some of the UNMIK's decesions in the past, on arrested and senteced albanian kosovars for "crimes" against serb kosovars, now when EU mission came, they are free, cuz there's no prove on that what UN "saw" as fact. - ...UNMIK is wanted by 'radical Serbia', cuz they want to make equal that what happened to albanians in Kosovo, with that what happened with serbs in Kosovo. - There's a very very big difference.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

In my opinion the proportion of the revenge by Albanians is very low compared to what the have experienced during the war.
laki bani

It is low thanks to KFOR! If not for them there wouldn't be one serb left in Kosovo and there wouln't be any churches or monasteries left either. A couple of years ago you tried to rid Kosovo of the remaining serb population after a coordinated attack on everything that is serb. NATO stooped your plans from becoming reality that time around. You always justify attack on serbs because of what happend to albanians during Milosevic. For example, what did an old serbian woman ever do to albanians in Kosovo to deserve having a grenade thrown at her home? This was the case a couple of weeks ago. The problem with a majority of albanians is that you treat ALL serbs the same. To most albanians, there are no innocent serbs. You still use Milosevic as an excuse to attack serbs and to justify your illegal claim for independence. Ask yourself why serbs, croats and bosnjaks have managed to improve their relations even though the wars in Croatia and Bosnia makes the Kosovo conflict look like a walk in the park in comparison.

laki bani

pre 15 godina

To Kate; Blair will for sure maintain the righteous stance as long as he lives. Because it is so normal for a statesman to defend his decision, otherwise he wouldn’t have led one of the most powerful governments in the Globe. As far as allegations over travel obstacles are concerned, my dear Kate you must have a very short memory, for you information it happened long time and was done by mainly youth or children as a pure reaction of what they’ve gone through.
To MikeC; you seem to be very clever so I don’t understand your questions about the necessity of protection for religious objects. Anyway I’ll be trying to help you a bit. Isn’t so illustrative the fact to you of such a disagreement for coexistence with Albanians of Serbs in northern part of Mitrovica? The problem is that Serbs are those who don’t agree to live with Albanians and accept the reality, so travel and other intimidations are just excuses to keep up with such a destructive attitude run exclusively by people who are most probably paid by a third part who does it for its own interest.
So if you want to be acquainted with this situation you need to dig into the origin of the problem. In other words it must have its motive. In my opinion the proportion of the revenge by Albanians is very low compared to what the have experienced during the war. In my opinion I am entitled to react because I have fundamental reserves over every kind of retaliation.

Joe

pre 15 godina

Demi I agree with you. I am just wondering who is paying these criminals and thugs? They s/b arrested. Preventing K-Albanians to rebuild their home is going way too far.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

Time for NATO to finish the job it didn't finish in 1999. This time they can use Albania as a base, instead of Aviano.
(Sidi, 25 April 2009 15:26)

Out of curiosity - how much does Sali Berisha or "snake" pay for such comment?

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Miri

So all those attacks on serbs in Kosovo is just in my imagination? There are places in Kosovo where serbs and albanians live and work together but they are very few, unfortunately. However, it's more common to hear about serbs who get their property and churches vandalized. Kosovo police and ordinary albanians who harass serbs on a daily basis. If it's as safe as you say then how come KFOR is still there to protect serbs? Is it just Milosevic propagande or is there some truth behind the fact that serbs in Kosovo still are not able to go back to their homes due to threats and intimidation from albanians? Why do churches and monasteries still need protection from NATO? Why do serbs still need protection to go to the market or visit the cemetary? Since you and many other albanians deny this fact these problems will continue for a long time. If you refuse to acknowlage the problems then you can't do anything about it either. I have never heard a single albanian denounce attacks on serbs and their property. You always find excuses to why serbs are attacked or harassed and to why churches and monasteries are burned to the ground. You are to proud for you own good!

adrian, timisoara

pre 15 godina

"Icidents like this one just show that numbers of international police should most certainly not be cut."

I don`t think the situation is that dramatic. OK,UNMIK police is slowly dissolving,but there were not many non EU policemen in it. They will have to replace the spanish KFOR troops, but that should be no problem.

Demi

pre 15 godina

This people who wants to reconstruct their property have payed for the land and they have all right to restore their homes. Nobody can stop them!!


But this only showes that the only problem in Kosovo is the serb population. Why don't bosniaks,romas,montenegros and other minoritys act the same ?

It's sad that I'm not in charge in Kosovo. I woulöd send the whole police to the north and once and for all take care of this criminals who are terrorizing other people.

But I also understand Thaci that this will take a little time but albanians will move to their homes in North Kosovo. Serbs are just wasting time because in the end albanians will controll the north. This stupidy will stop.

kate

pre 15 godina

EULEX police? I thought that they were there as civil administrators, backed up by UNMIK police (probably just wearing a new uniform).

I agree with MikeC - there is no acceptible treatment of Serbian and other 'minority' communities in Kosovo. The fact that a basic utility such as power can be used as a political tool; and that the provincial govt tolerates the stoning of buses and people going to church, school or the market... it all just makes a mockery of the idea that Kosovo is anywhere near a developed self-administrating entity.

Icidents like this one just show that numbers of international police should most certainly not be cut. The funding, structures and the security given by the international community are still badly needed in Kosovo.

And I see that Blofeld Blair is still maintaining that the right actions were taken in creating this mess, despite the huge problems from which all countries are now trying to find a way out.

Miri

pre 15 godina

MikeC

Who is stopping them? They can come and live whereever they want. Bthw i can hear and see everyday in my town people talking serbian language. U can meet them in 'pazar' and everywhere. For those who dont want to be part of this "danger" life that we albanians live too, its their problem. But, i think (and im sure about this) that these people chose to take double money from Serbia govern. than to live in their old homes. - So let's keep out this known issues, that here's is danger for serbs. It's all about politics... all about it!

PZ

pre 15 godina

“Brđani representative Siniša Lazić told Tanjug the residents conferred Friday with UNMIK Deputy Regional Representative Joe Kazlas and said they will not allow reconstruction of houses belonging to ethnic Albanians until reciprocity is secured for the return of displaced persons.”

This is strange! These poor people want to reconstruct their homes, leave them alone! I don’t understand what reciprocity he is talking about, just yesterday I saw TV news showing around 150 new reconstructed houses for Serbs, by Kosovo Government funds. I hear everyday Kosovo Government representatives calling on Serbs to return to their homes and yet they don’t want to, and he is talking about reciprocity! Who is he to be asked anyway? Probably someone well paid by Kostunica or radicals just to cause disorder in Kosovo.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Alban

Interesting how you fail to mention serbs right to reconstruct and return to their property in the south. Until serbs can return to their homes albanians should be reminded how it feels to have a home but not being able to live there. You say that Kosovo stands for equality and democracy. Then show it! Let the 250.000 serbs go back to their homeland of Kosovo without being harassed and brutalized by albanians.

Alban

pre 15 godina

" Kosovo Albanians started reconstruction of their houses in Brđani, which the Serbs consider to be a part of northern Kosovska Mitrovica."

Great PR for the serbian side! Keep it up, EU will understand.

Time for KSF to restore law and order, arrest all criminals and thugs.

ben

pre 15 godina

River of tears for the poor K-Serbs that refuse to pay bills for the energy they have used for 10 years... these poor gentlemen’s cannot sign contract with Kosova’s institution. And this is considered enormous pressure that makes their life miserable

What about a bit of solidarity for those that are refugees in their own country for 10 years ????

I hope you don’t want to compare free energy as pressure and refugee life in your own country, do you??

Hypocrites!

Alban

pre 15 godina

" Kosovo Albanians started reconstruction of their houses in Brđani, which the Serbs consider to be a part of northern Kosovska Mitrovica."

Great PR for the serbian side! Keep it up, EU will understand.

Time for KSF to restore law and order, arrest all criminals and thugs.

ben

pre 15 godina

River of tears for the poor K-Serbs that refuse to pay bills for the energy they have used for 10 years... these poor gentlemen’s cannot sign contract with Kosova’s institution. And this is considered enormous pressure that makes their life miserable

What about a bit of solidarity for those that are refugees in their own country for 10 years ????

I hope you don’t want to compare free energy as pressure and refugee life in your own country, do you??

Hypocrites!

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Alban

Interesting how you fail to mention serbs right to reconstruct and return to their property in the south. Until serbs can return to their homes albanians should be reminded how it feels to have a home but not being able to live there. You say that Kosovo stands for equality and democracy. Then show it! Let the 250.000 serbs go back to their homeland of Kosovo without being harassed and brutalized by albanians.

PZ

pre 15 godina

“Brđani representative Siniša Lazić told Tanjug the residents conferred Friday with UNMIK Deputy Regional Representative Joe Kazlas and said they will not allow reconstruction of houses belonging to ethnic Albanians until reciprocity is secured for the return of displaced persons.”

This is strange! These poor people want to reconstruct their homes, leave them alone! I don’t understand what reciprocity he is talking about, just yesterday I saw TV news showing around 150 new reconstructed houses for Serbs, by Kosovo Government funds. I hear everyday Kosovo Government representatives calling on Serbs to return to their homes and yet they don’t want to, and he is talking about reciprocity! Who is he to be asked anyway? Probably someone well paid by Kostunica or radicals just to cause disorder in Kosovo.

Miri

pre 15 godina

MikeC

Who is stopping them? They can come and live whereever they want. Bthw i can hear and see everyday in my town people talking serbian language. U can meet them in 'pazar' and everywhere. For those who dont want to be part of this "danger" life that we albanians live too, its their problem. But, i think (and im sure about this) that these people chose to take double money from Serbia govern. than to live in their old homes. - So let's keep out this known issues, that here's is danger for serbs. It's all about politics... all about it!

Matthew

pre 15 godina

We Serbs do have legitimate complaints. However, I think the response we should have should be to try to rebuild our homes just like the Albanians are doing. It does not help our cause to have incidents like this, it only looks bad. There’s really no valid excuse not to let people return to their homes.

Demi

pre 15 godina

This people who wants to reconstruct their property have payed for the land and they have all right to restore their homes. Nobody can stop them!!


But this only showes that the only problem in Kosovo is the serb population. Why don't bosniaks,romas,montenegros and other minoritys act the same ?

It's sad that I'm not in charge in Kosovo. I woulöd send the whole police to the north and once and for all take care of this criminals who are terrorizing other people.

But I also understand Thaci that this will take a little time but albanians will move to their homes in North Kosovo. Serbs are just wasting time because in the end albanians will controll the north. This stupidy will stop.

kate

pre 15 godina

EULEX police? I thought that they were there as civil administrators, backed up by UNMIK police (probably just wearing a new uniform).

I agree with MikeC - there is no acceptible treatment of Serbian and other 'minority' communities in Kosovo. The fact that a basic utility such as power can be used as a political tool; and that the provincial govt tolerates the stoning of buses and people going to church, school or the market... it all just makes a mockery of the idea that Kosovo is anywhere near a developed self-administrating entity.

Icidents like this one just show that numbers of international police should most certainly not be cut. The funding, structures and the security given by the international community are still badly needed in Kosovo.

And I see that Blofeld Blair is still maintaining that the right actions were taken in creating this mess, despite the huge problems from which all countries are now trying to find a way out.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Miri

So all those attacks on serbs in Kosovo is just in my imagination? There are places in Kosovo where serbs and albanians live and work together but they are very few, unfortunately. However, it's more common to hear about serbs who get their property and churches vandalized. Kosovo police and ordinary albanians who harass serbs on a daily basis. If it's as safe as you say then how come KFOR is still there to protect serbs? Is it just Milosevic propagande or is there some truth behind the fact that serbs in Kosovo still are not able to go back to their homes due to threats and intimidation from albanians? Why do churches and monasteries still need protection from NATO? Why do serbs still need protection to go to the market or visit the cemetary? Since you and many other albanians deny this fact these problems will continue for a long time. If you refuse to acknowlage the problems then you can't do anything about it either. I have never heard a single albanian denounce attacks on serbs and their property. You always find excuses to why serbs are attacked or harassed and to why churches and monasteries are burned to the ground. You are to proud for you own good!

MikeC

pre 15 godina

In my opinion the proportion of the revenge by Albanians is very low compared to what the have experienced during the war.
laki bani

It is low thanks to KFOR! If not for them there wouldn't be one serb left in Kosovo and there wouln't be any churches or monasteries left either. A couple of years ago you tried to rid Kosovo of the remaining serb population after a coordinated attack on everything that is serb. NATO stooped your plans from becoming reality that time around. You always justify attack on serbs because of what happend to albanians during Milosevic. For example, what did an old serbian woman ever do to albanians in Kosovo to deserve having a grenade thrown at her home? This was the case a couple of weeks ago. The problem with a majority of albanians is that you treat ALL serbs the same. To most albanians, there are no innocent serbs. You still use Milosevic as an excuse to attack serbs and to justify your illegal claim for independence. Ask yourself why serbs, croats and bosnjaks have managed to improve their relations even though the wars in Croatia and Bosnia makes the Kosovo conflict look like a walk in the park in comparison.

laki bani

pre 15 godina

To Kate; Blair will for sure maintain the righteous stance as long as he lives. Because it is so normal for a statesman to defend his decision, otherwise he wouldn’t have led one of the most powerful governments in the Globe. As far as allegations over travel obstacles are concerned, my dear Kate you must have a very short memory, for you information it happened long time and was done by mainly youth or children as a pure reaction of what they’ve gone through.
To MikeC; you seem to be very clever so I don’t understand your questions about the necessity of protection for religious objects. Anyway I’ll be trying to help you a bit. Isn’t so illustrative the fact to you of such a disagreement for coexistence with Albanians of Serbs in northern part of Mitrovica? The problem is that Serbs are those who don’t agree to live with Albanians and accept the reality, so travel and other intimidations are just excuses to keep up with such a destructive attitude run exclusively by people who are most probably paid by a third part who does it for its own interest.
So if you want to be acquainted with this situation you need to dig into the origin of the problem. In other words it must have its motive. In my opinion the proportion of the revenge by Albanians is very low compared to what the have experienced during the war. In my opinion I am entitled to react because I have fundamental reserves over every kind of retaliation.

VB

pre 15 godina

40000 Serbs have yet to return to their houses/flats in Pristina. What has the international community done in that regard - nothing at all.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

Time for NATO to finish the job it didn't finish in 1999. This time they can use Albania as a base, instead of Aviano.
(Sidi, 25 April 2009 15:26)

Out of curiosity - how much does Sali Berisha or "snake" pay for such comment?

laki bani

pre 15 godina

Despite my all sincere efforts to get some common ground and display some kind of neutrality even I belong to a part in all this, I see that you my dear MikeC are so unconventional, convincing me that I am just vesting my time discussing the matter. However, once more I’ll be trying to come up with a few significant evidences which are same time a response to your latest allegations.
1. If Albanians were so determined (according to you) to force out Serbs from Kosovo I guarantee that KFOR would not be able to protect anyone.
2. You are blaming us over our disturbance related to the Milosevic’s era, forgetting that it was a long (more than ten years) time accompanied with a systematic pressure asserted towards everything with the prefix Albanian. Same time crying so much about two days which of course made nobody glad, thus we are willingly paying price while displaying towards the entire world our unhappiness. What we didn’t see up to now Serbian side doing that.
3. As far as Old Serbian woman is concerned. Doesn’t mean automatically that it is done by Albanians if anything happens in Kosovo.
4. I also want to stress that KPC has offered their readiness and dedication to protecting all Serbian holly places all over Kosovo. It is an official offer that shouldn’t be underestimated.
5. I don’t have to ask myself of Serbian relations to the neighboring nations. Because it is well known fact that Serbia just recently has broken its diplomatic relations with all above mentioned.
6. finally; it was Serbia who started conflicts in all parts of ex. Yugoslavia
and so on, and so on…….

Joe

pre 15 godina

Demi I agree with you. I am just wondering who is paying these criminals and thugs? They s/b arrested. Preventing K-Albanians to rebuild their home is going way too far.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

to the "expert" laki-bani who is in all seriousness claiming that Serbia startet all conflicts in the yugoslav-wars...

my dear, you´re simply repeating a quite silly legend, and it´s been said and written countless times by the k-albanian propagandists here...

nevertheless, is remains pure nonsense.

in Slovenia, slovenian irregular forces attacked yugoslav border facilities.

in Croatia, croatian radicals kidnapped local Serbs and tortured and killed them BEFORE the first armed clashes had begun.

in Bosnia... muslim radicals, with a known underworld-criminal on top killed a wedding-couple and the father of the groom.

once again, it was not the Serbs who started the conflicts...

and in southern Serbia it was the terrorist organisation, the socalled kla that killed civillians, both Serbs and Albanians in order to incite ethnic clashes.


so, lakibani, ...you may go on to spread lies - but there will very likely follow a comment that will clear things up.

Virg, New Zealand

pre 15 godina

This is stupid !

If Kosovo Serbs think that they will get what they want by doing this i think they need to re think the Kosovar Albanians have the right to re construct in our Kosova and also Serbs should re construct too in Kosovo. But either way there should not be any violence or disruption from both sides .

To clarify i am half New Zealander half Kosovar .

Miri

pre 15 godina

MikeC

Also, about denounce of attacks at serbs, (that u mentioned) by Kosovo authorities. This would be unfair fo serb community, to get the verdict by "enemy". (i.e. the serb criminal court's verdict about massacre in Suhareka. Letting free the main persons invloved in that case. Lets be fair - this is not fair). Even, serbs don't accept KS authorities' decisions, and they dont want to be part of those. - So, thats why here are the International judges, who explore this things. (i.e. some of the UNMIK's decesions in the past, on arrested and senteced albanian kosovars for "crimes" against serb kosovars, now when EU mission came, they are free, cuz there's no prove on that what UN "saw" as fact. - ...UNMIK is wanted by 'radical Serbia', cuz they want to make equal that what happened to albanians in Kosovo, with that what happened with serbs in Kosovo. - There's a very very big difference.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

laki bani

1. If Albanians were so determined (according to you) to force out Serbs from Kosovo I guarantee that KFOR would not be able to
protect anyone.

I will answere this with a question: How many serbs are left in Kosovo if you don't include the North? Not many so you have already
accomplished your mission.

2. You are blaming us over our disturbance related to the Milosevic’s era.

No no no no! You didn't read my comments very carefully. I didn't blame Milisevic dictatorship and crimes on albanians. Milisevic was a horrible dictator. He didn't just murder albanians but even his own people. I know that albanians were not always treated well and that is of course wrong. But in this case it's about albanians accusing serbs and vice verca. Albanians in Kosovo have for a long time before Milosevic came to power been harassing serbs. Serbs have for a long time been the minority in Kosovo and it's a known fact, at least to most serbs, that albanians have wanted to rid Kosovo of its serb population.

Serbias relations with its neighbors has been hampered becasuse of the recognition of Kosovo. You should know how strongly Serbia feels about this so Serbias reaction is expected. How would you feel if Albanian did not recognize Kosovo? That's how serbs felt about Montenegro recognizing Kosovo. What makes it worse is that they stabbed Serbia in the back just becasue they were pressured by the US/UK. That's how we serbs see it. Not expecting you to understand.

Finally, one recurring statement from albanians is that Serbia started all conflicts in the former Yugoslavia. I don't agree. Croatia wanted to break apart giving no guaranties to its serb minority. Given how serbs were treated by the ustase their reaction was not surpriseng. Serbs took up arms. Who wouldn't? Bosnia dissregarded the opinion of 33% of the population by declaring independence. Serbs have painfull memories from WW2 so this decision from the muslims and croats was the worst possible. This was about two people threatening a third party. If serbs wouldn't have resisted no serbs would be left in Bosnia.
Serbia has commited crimes against other people but that doesn't mean that Serbia is up for grabs. It doesn't mean serbs today can be harassed and killed at will. Balkan people, regardless of nationality, are very stubborn. That's why there won't be real peace any time soon.

Xythi

pre 15 godina

regardless of unacceptable excuses serb minority are giving to cause trouble, the fact is had there been KPS involved in sending the trouble makers away and use that little bit of force EULEX forces used, i bet you monday morning UN emergency meeting would have been on monday morning.

JC, USA

pre 15 godina

"This is a perfect example of why there shouldn't be any Serbs in Kosova. Do what Croatia did and take all north by force, period..."

Wow, comments like these remind me just how big of a mistake the U.S. made in supporting you...

LMN II, USA

pre 15 godina

If Kosovo is multi-ethnic I would hate to see what it would be like if it werent. This pseudo-state is a sham, a province ripped from a sovereign country by BS propaganda and ethnic Albanian terrorism. As an American I am embarrased and ashamed knowing what my country did not only in Kosovo, but the entire region. First it's Kosovo, than what's next for the terrorist landgrabbers, pieces of Macedonia and Montenegro possibly. Where ever there is an area that is majority ethnic Albanian there are eventual demands for more freedoms...more of their own schools, less and less of the host nation's influence, more autonomy, more this, more that, more, more, more. Im sick of such a people who act like spoiled little children and throw temper tantrums (ie...threats, intimidation, seccesion, etc..) when they don't get their way. Im sick of my country and many of the western European countries coddling them, donating hundreds of millions of dollars to them when it should be getting used in their own countries for their own people during this economic mess. WE OWE THEM NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!Believe me, the last place I want my tax dollars ending up is in some crooked ethnic Albanian politician's pockets while the minorities in Kosovo are constantly screwed left and right and then blamed for it by the very people who are persecuting them. The only way there will ever be true peace in Kosovo is if all the minorities pack up and move to one of the adjacent states, you know REAL countries.

Furthermore, Im sick and tired of hearing the Albanians talk about Serbs not paying their electricity bills so they should have it shut off. Well, there are many, many thousands of Albanians who havent paid theirs either, but their electricity isnt getting cut off is it. How do you expect the Serbs to pay for that, let along food half of the time, when it isnt even safe for farmers to go out to farm their land. How do you expect Serbs to pay for anything when there is no way in hell they will ever get any good jobs without having to lick the boots of those who seek to enslave them. I have no respect for Albanians, none whatsoever, because all they want is to take, take, take and to give nothing in return.

Also, the ethnic Albanians are damn lucky Im not President. I would shut Bondsteel down, completely dismantle it, and bring all the US soldiers home. I would stop "donating" money to this money pit, de-recognize the province and tell Serbia to do whatever they want with it since it is SERBIAN LAND.

BH_NYC

pre 15 godina

' Out of curiosity - how much does Sali Berisha or "snake" pay for such comment?
(Ataman, 25 April 2009 17:47) '

I wouldn't take all comments too seriously, he's most probably just winding you up. You might have even studied together, judging by the similarities of your comments.

BB

pre 15 godina

"It is low thanks to KFOR! If not for them there wouldn't be one serb left in Kosovo and there wouln't be any churches or monasteries left either."


Don't be that sure Mike C.

Gustave

pre 15 godina

See, this "-18" is precisely the reason why Albanians have a stillborn case, no matter how strong their alleged allies are.
Read the comment twice, sit down and (who can do it) think, why am I writing it and why am I 100% right on.

I also have to say, Illyrians+Thracians and Dacians could be related, but in 21st century the later seem to be significantly ahead in education, culture of debate, "europeannes" and what-not. A lot of room to improve for "Team Albania" and learn how to avoid scoring in own goal-net. Jesus, like a kindergarten.
(Ataman, 26 April 2009 09:41)

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=58460

Oh c'mon, I got a -3 from your beloved Serbs just because I'm Albanian even though it was Easter day. One Albanian, the only that gets negatives. Yet I don't complain because I know who the trolls are and my people have seen MUCH worse from them.

You are the one who's being childish mister. And you are about twice my age (I'm 24).

Seriously what's the point of complaining at the minuses, even though you deserve them, given you never bash the Serbian posters for their love for Mladic & co, and their long list of war-morngering comments (like say Albania will become part of Serbia)?

Sidi's comment is heartfelt by many a K.Albanians. They don't need money to post what they post.

PZ

pre 15 godina

LMN II, USA,”Furthermore, Im sick and tired of hearing the Albanians talk about Serbs not paying their electricity bills so they should have it shut off. Well, there are many, many thousands of Albanians who havent paid theirs either, but their electricity isnt getting cut off is it. How do you expect the Serbs to pay for that, let along food half of the time, when it isnt even safe for farmers to go out to farm their land. How do you expect Serbs to pay for anything when there is no way in hell they will ever get any good jobs without having to lick the boots of those who seek to enslave them. I have no respect for Albanians, none whatsoever, because all they want is to take, take, take and to give nothing in return.”

The problem with electricity payment is not only with Serbs, but with some 40% (if I’m not wrong) of total households in Kosovo. Neighborhoods, villages and even regions have been categorized in 3 categories: http://www.kek-energy.com/kek-cmnPg.jsp?mID=182&cat=181&l=2 depending on the percentage of payment. Now, let’s take an example: an X person lives in a neighborhood where only 20% pay electricity, including the X person. Unfortunately this X person will get power supply similar to the rest of 80% who don’t pay, because he lives in that same neighborhood and fall under same category.
Situation with Serb villages is worse. For 10 years most of them have not paid.

As far as employment is concerned I absolutely disagree with you. There are many Serbs employed in Kosovo, being it in international organizations or even in Kosovo Institutions. Many jobs when advertised are foreseen for Serbs. There are a reserved number of jobs especially for them, but it is something else that they don’t want to work with Kosovo institutions or with some international organizations. I’m sure you are aware with police who are getting salaries (similar to the Albanians) and not going to work, plus if we add the amount given by Serbian Government then they surly are getting at least 3 times more than their Albanian colleagues.


“Also, the ethnic Albanians are damn lucky Im not President. I would shut Bondsteel down, completely dismantle it, and bring all the US soldiers home. I would stop "donating" money to this money pit, de-recognize the province and tell Serbia to do whatever they want with it since it is SERBIAN LAND.”

As for this statement I really have no comment, it speaks for itself! Serbia once did whatever it wanted and the world judged it!

adrian, timisoara

pre 15 godina

"Icidents like this one just show that numbers of international police should most certainly not be cut."

I don`t think the situation is that dramatic. OK,UNMIK police is slowly dissolving,but there were not many non EU policemen in it. They will have to replace the spanish KFOR troops, but that should be no problem.

BH_NYC

pre 15 godina

I would say to some commentators here to read the article again and see what it’s about.
What the Serbs are doing in Mitrovica is 100% wrong and the western world will see it as such. This right now is much more important for K-Albanians then getting involved in discussions about Thracians, Moldova, Tibet and the rest of the world’s history. These are failed attempts made by certain commentators specifically for the purpose of distraction. I can see that they are happier right now to debate anything but what’s happening in Mitrovica but it’s not going to work.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

I wouldn't take all comments too seriously, he's most probably just winding you up. You might have even studied together, judging by the similarities of your comments.
(BH_NYC, 25 April 2009 18:36)

Easy to avoid by not winding up. You can find some good counter-examples. The "Albanian" question is not any more difficult than the "Transylvanian" question. As you remember well, few weeks ago there was some pretty emotional discussion about Moldova being Romanian, alleged Russian and Romanian influence during Voronin-elections and is Transylvania a stolen land or not.

Somehow things weren't looking even remotely as bad. Everyone has own views and probably the public education of each country is not without guilt either.

But things can become youtube-like in other case, completely out of control. If I see winding up by intent, I may also leave comments about "Quetzalcoatl, the evil pigeon-snake deity" or "Arnauts from Caucasus" if I am in teasing mood. I do not know, is that "Quetzal from Caucasus" the most efficient thing from pedagogic point of view (the undeclared goal is: achieve some kind of a Pavlovian reflex), but what is good for goose...

Little suggestion.

If Albanians want to achieve some kind of verbal victory here, they can try:

a) To write: "We, Dardanians climbed down the tree first, you, Serbs came from Ural - marsh back there to your Russian monkey brothers". My guess is: very-very poor chance of success. Most likely will result in an essay about Quetzal and his habit to devour human organs (reference to infamous yellow house).

b) To write: "We, Dardanians have temple near the city X, a castle near the city Y, according these, these and these sources it is pre-Slavic. Just look and see"

The expected answer will be probably some debate without much emotions and some probably even will visit the said site in person. You have a clear chance to convince the opponent. And even if not, you may achieve that some people will leave few hundred Dollars in the area while visiting it. Dollar is Dollar, even if it is paid to you by your opponent. I see only a clear gain.

From the previous, very heated debate Romanian "gang" came out probably as a winner because if nothing else, I decided to spend an easy weekend near Vajdahunyad/Hunedoara this Summer to see these two unusual buildings in person. I am a cheapskater, but even with that "Team Romania" has probably a 100-200 Euro win....

Fisi

pre 15 godina

Question: Assuming that Kosovo is Serbia, as many of you claim, is the Serb reaction to the Albanian home re-builders in northern Kosovo the way Serbia wants to integrate Albanians in their society?

Don't forget, the place the incident happened is Serb controlled, so you can not claim that Kosovar authorities do not let you integrate them into your society.

Ron

pre 15 godina

It is about time the Albanians start accepting the fact that Kosovo is part of Serbia.

Then reconciliation can start!

No new borders, no new states!

And to EA: no, Kosovo is not an independent state. Please check 1244.

Unnecessary problems like the ones in Kosovo are making people in Western Europe getting tired of the whole of the Balkan! Stop it!

If you (Balkan nations) start acting like childs the moment will come that the West says: enough is enough, no new EU members from Balkan please!

Ataman

pre 15 godina

(Ataman, 25 April 2009 22:10)
Recommend (+5) Poor comment (-18)


See, this "-18" is precisely the reason why Albanians have a stillborn case, no matter how strong their alleged allies are.
Read the comment twice, sit down and (who can do it) think, why am I writing it and why am I 100% right on.

I also have to say, Illyrians+Thracians and Dacians could be related, but in 21st century the later seem to be significantly ahead in education, culture of debate, "europeannes" and what-not. A lot of room to improve for "Team Albania" and learn how to avoid scoring in own goal-net. Jesus, like a kindergarten.

Plisi

pre 15 godina

"Expelling people was tried after WW-I and WW-II, it did not work and it took 50 years for wounds to heal"
According to you Ataman our wounds will get heald something around yr2060.Expelling as exactly the Kosovo Serbs helped by serbian military tried to do to KA.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

@LMN

Radical ideas do not work either way. I would rather see them to grow up. This is why all the UNMIK/EULEX/whatever hoopla is about.

Expelling people was tried after WW-I and WW-II, it did not work and it took 50 years for wounds to heal.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Demi wrote:

But this only shows that the only problem in Kosovo is the serb population. Why don't bosniaks,romas,montenegros and other minoritys act the same

Why? Because they are too terrified to even exist there let alone make any noise.
Last night I watched a documentary about the Roma of Kosovo. They are on led contaminated land in Serbian part of Kosovo and have been there for the past 9 years. Children are dying of led poisoning but they still refuse to go back to their Mahala because it would mean living next to the very people who chased them out of their homes all those years ago. Yes, Albanians.
The Roma are Muslim as well but this did not stop Albanians from ethnically clensing them as well.
The only reason Serbs are standing up to you is because there is enough of them in the north, but you certainly have put enough barb wire around the ones in Albanian dominated areas to keep those quiet for a while.

LMN II, USA

pre 15 godina

To clarify i am half New Zealander half Kosovar .


Let's be realistic now, there is NO such thing as a Kosovar. Those that live in the province of Kosovo are either Serb or Albanian, nothing more, nothing less. Enough with this politically correct, a person can call an apple an orange, but that doesnt make it so.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

"You are the one who's being childish mister. And you are about twice my age (I'm 24)."

No problem, Gustave, add an other 20-something and in 2030 you will see, why I was right. The "minuses" are merely an indicator of some sad facts about the level of education and political culture. I do not feel offended in person.

Feel free to look at the results of math. olympiads or other competitions of academic nature: Albania has a lot of work to do - and where is KiM? I would not object to see a separate KiM team on this one, but I would be afraid to even see the scores. Compare "ALB" scores in math with ones of a humble country like Mongolia (MNG) and think about it:

http://www.imo-official.org/results.aspx

About your "minuses" on the Easter - here Serbs are 100% innocent. You had two comments:

http://tinyurl.com/c47b45

The first got only "+", but some may feel, mentioning "harakiri" in the second is not proper on THAT particular day because it could bring bad luck. Has 100% nothing to do with being Albanian or not, more with some people being over-superstitious.

veki

pre 15 godina

Just to say I am sending strength to the brave brothers and sisters in K.Mitrovica. All Serbs support you, because you are right. The return must be reciprocal!
This rebuilding K-Albanian houses is a straightforward cynicism since nobody is going to pay for Serbian property burned, damaged, destroyed.
If the government of so-called state of Kosovo was serious they'll start in the same time with the full-fledged return program for K-Serbs rebuilding their houses south of Ibar.
They think they can get away with this brainwashing 'democratic' statements and act one-sidedly to pursue ethnic discrimination forever as they are very well used to.
NO, they can't.Stand up and demand your rights, we are with you.

LMN II, USA

pre 15 godina

To "32": (LMN II, USA, 26 April 2009 16:05)

Your writing does not seem to be an American model of witting and thinking.
(Luan, Michigan, 27 April 2009 16:54)

What in the h@ll does that mean? Most Americans, except for some military personnel, have no idea where the Balkans are, let along Kosovo. I talk to people everyday and most of them have never heard of Camp Bondsteel, but I must admit that it's become a mission of mine to educate those very same people about the various nuances of the region. Many Americans know nothing about the region's history. Many American's were never taught in our schools about SS Skanderbeg, SS Handzar, Jasnevac, the saving of American airmen who were shot down by the Nazis and their sympathizers during WWII, Ottoman rule, the Battle of Kosovo Polje and it's importance, as well as, recent history like the constant back and forth between Serbs and Albanians in the province, the March 2004 riots and so on and so forth. During those tumultuous late 90s most Americans only heard one side of the story, not both sides of the story, the mainstream media was extremely biased against the Serb people. Also, many Americans, especially Christian Americans, have no idea how the Orthodox Christian faith in Kosovo is under constant persecution by the predominately muslim Albanians. Believe this, if the Kosovo mess had happened after 9/11 there would have been absolutely no help at all on behalf of the ethnic Albanians and let's just leave it at that.

Luan, Michigan

pre 15 godina

To "32": (LMN II, USA, 26 April 2009 16:05)

Your writing does not seem to be an American model of witting and thinking.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Alban

Interesting how you fail to mention serbs right to reconstruct and return to their property in the south. Until serbs can return to their homes albanians should be reminded how it feels to have a home but not being able to live there. You say that Kosovo stands for equality and democracy. Then show it! Let the 250.000 serbs go back to their homeland of Kosovo without being harassed and brutalized by albanians.

Alban

pre 15 godina

" Kosovo Albanians started reconstruction of their houses in Brđani, which the Serbs consider to be a part of northern Kosovska Mitrovica."

Great PR for the serbian side! Keep it up, EU will understand.

Time for KSF to restore law and order, arrest all criminals and thugs.

kate

pre 15 godina

EULEX police? I thought that they were there as civil administrators, backed up by UNMIK police (probably just wearing a new uniform).

I agree with MikeC - there is no acceptible treatment of Serbian and other 'minority' communities in Kosovo. The fact that a basic utility such as power can be used as a political tool; and that the provincial govt tolerates the stoning of buses and people going to church, school or the market... it all just makes a mockery of the idea that Kosovo is anywhere near a developed self-administrating entity.

Icidents like this one just show that numbers of international police should most certainly not be cut. The funding, structures and the security given by the international community are still badly needed in Kosovo.

And I see that Blofeld Blair is still maintaining that the right actions were taken in creating this mess, despite the huge problems from which all countries are now trying to find a way out.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

to the "expert" laki-bani who is in all seriousness claiming that Serbia startet all conflicts in the yugoslav-wars...

my dear, you´re simply repeating a quite silly legend, and it´s been said and written countless times by the k-albanian propagandists here...

nevertheless, is remains pure nonsense.

in Slovenia, slovenian irregular forces attacked yugoslav border facilities.

in Croatia, croatian radicals kidnapped local Serbs and tortured and killed them BEFORE the first armed clashes had begun.

in Bosnia... muslim radicals, with a known underworld-criminal on top killed a wedding-couple and the father of the groom.

once again, it was not the Serbs who started the conflicts...

and in southern Serbia it was the terrorist organisation, the socalled kla that killed civillians, both Serbs and Albanians in order to incite ethnic clashes.


so, lakibani, ...you may go on to spread lies - but there will very likely follow a comment that will clear things up.

ben

pre 15 godina

River of tears for the poor K-Serbs that refuse to pay bills for the energy they have used for 10 years... these poor gentlemen’s cannot sign contract with Kosova’s institution. And this is considered enormous pressure that makes their life miserable

What about a bit of solidarity for those that are refugees in their own country for 10 years ????

I hope you don’t want to compare free energy as pressure and refugee life in your own country, do you??

Hypocrites!

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Miri

So all those attacks on serbs in Kosovo is just in my imagination? There are places in Kosovo where serbs and albanians live and work together but they are very few, unfortunately. However, it's more common to hear about serbs who get their property and churches vandalized. Kosovo police and ordinary albanians who harass serbs on a daily basis. If it's as safe as you say then how come KFOR is still there to protect serbs? Is it just Milosevic propagande or is there some truth behind the fact that serbs in Kosovo still are not able to go back to their homes due to threats and intimidation from albanians? Why do churches and monasteries still need protection from NATO? Why do serbs still need protection to go to the market or visit the cemetary? Since you and many other albanians deny this fact these problems will continue for a long time. If you refuse to acknowlage the problems then you can't do anything about it either. I have never heard a single albanian denounce attacks on serbs and their property. You always find excuses to why serbs are attacked or harassed and to why churches and monasteries are burned to the ground. You are to proud for you own good!

PZ

pre 15 godina

“Brđani representative Siniša Lazić told Tanjug the residents conferred Friday with UNMIK Deputy Regional Representative Joe Kazlas and said they will not allow reconstruction of houses belonging to ethnic Albanians until reciprocity is secured for the return of displaced persons.”

This is strange! These poor people want to reconstruct their homes, leave them alone! I don’t understand what reciprocity he is talking about, just yesterday I saw TV news showing around 150 new reconstructed houses for Serbs, by Kosovo Government funds. I hear everyday Kosovo Government representatives calling on Serbs to return to their homes and yet they don’t want to, and he is talking about reciprocity! Who is he to be asked anyway? Probably someone well paid by Kostunica or radicals just to cause disorder in Kosovo.

Ron

pre 15 godina

It is about time the Albanians start accepting the fact that Kosovo is part of Serbia.

Then reconciliation can start!

No new borders, no new states!

And to EA: no, Kosovo is not an independent state. Please check 1244.

Unnecessary problems like the ones in Kosovo are making people in Western Europe getting tired of the whole of the Balkan! Stop it!

If you (Balkan nations) start acting like childs the moment will come that the West says: enough is enough, no new EU members from Balkan please!

Miri

pre 15 godina

MikeC

Who is stopping them? They can come and live whereever they want. Bthw i can hear and see everyday in my town people talking serbian language. U can meet them in 'pazar' and everywhere. For those who dont want to be part of this "danger" life that we albanians live too, its their problem. But, i think (and im sure about this) that these people chose to take double money from Serbia govern. than to live in their old homes. - So let's keep out this known issues, that here's is danger for serbs. It's all about politics... all about it!

LMN II, USA

pre 15 godina

If Kosovo is multi-ethnic I would hate to see what it would be like if it werent. This pseudo-state is a sham, a province ripped from a sovereign country by BS propaganda and ethnic Albanian terrorism. As an American I am embarrased and ashamed knowing what my country did not only in Kosovo, but the entire region. First it's Kosovo, than what's next for the terrorist landgrabbers, pieces of Macedonia and Montenegro possibly. Where ever there is an area that is majority ethnic Albanian there are eventual demands for more freedoms...more of their own schools, less and less of the host nation's influence, more autonomy, more this, more that, more, more, more. Im sick of such a people who act like spoiled little children and throw temper tantrums (ie...threats, intimidation, seccesion, etc..) when they don't get their way. Im sick of my country and many of the western European countries coddling them, donating hundreds of millions of dollars to them when it should be getting used in their own countries for their own people during this economic mess. WE OWE THEM NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!Believe me, the last place I want my tax dollars ending up is in some crooked ethnic Albanian politician's pockets while the minorities in Kosovo are constantly screwed left and right and then blamed for it by the very people who are persecuting them. The only way there will ever be true peace in Kosovo is if all the minorities pack up and move to one of the adjacent states, you know REAL countries.

Furthermore, Im sick and tired of hearing the Albanians talk about Serbs not paying their electricity bills so they should have it shut off. Well, there are many, many thousands of Albanians who havent paid theirs either, but their electricity isnt getting cut off is it. How do you expect the Serbs to pay for that, let along food half of the time, when it isnt even safe for farmers to go out to farm their land. How do you expect Serbs to pay for anything when there is no way in hell they will ever get any good jobs without having to lick the boots of those who seek to enslave them. I have no respect for Albanians, none whatsoever, because all they want is to take, take, take and to give nothing in return.

Also, the ethnic Albanians are damn lucky Im not President. I would shut Bondsteel down, completely dismantle it, and bring all the US soldiers home. I would stop "donating" money to this money pit, de-recognize the province and tell Serbia to do whatever they want with it since it is SERBIAN LAND.

Demi

pre 15 godina

This people who wants to reconstruct their property have payed for the land and they have all right to restore their homes. Nobody can stop them!!


But this only showes that the only problem in Kosovo is the serb population. Why don't bosniaks,romas,montenegros and other minoritys act the same ?

It's sad that I'm not in charge in Kosovo. I woulöd send the whole police to the north and once and for all take care of this criminals who are terrorizing other people.

But I also understand Thaci that this will take a little time but albanians will move to their homes in North Kosovo. Serbs are just wasting time because in the end albanians will controll the north. This stupidy will stop.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

Time for NATO to finish the job it didn't finish in 1999. This time they can use Albania as a base, instead of Aviano.
(Sidi, 25 April 2009 15:26)

Out of curiosity - how much does Sali Berisha or "snake" pay for such comment?

laki bani

pre 15 godina

To Kate; Blair will for sure maintain the righteous stance as long as he lives. Because it is so normal for a statesman to defend his decision, otherwise he wouldn’t have led one of the most powerful governments in the Globe. As far as allegations over travel obstacles are concerned, my dear Kate you must have a very short memory, for you information it happened long time and was done by mainly youth or children as a pure reaction of what they’ve gone through.
To MikeC; you seem to be very clever so I don’t understand your questions about the necessity of protection for religious objects. Anyway I’ll be trying to help you a bit. Isn’t so illustrative the fact to you of such a disagreement for coexistence with Albanians of Serbs in northern part of Mitrovica? The problem is that Serbs are those who don’t agree to live with Albanians and accept the reality, so travel and other intimidations are just excuses to keep up with such a destructive attitude run exclusively by people who are most probably paid by a third part who does it for its own interest.
So if you want to be acquainted with this situation you need to dig into the origin of the problem. In other words it must have its motive. In my opinion the proportion of the revenge by Albanians is very low compared to what the have experienced during the war. In my opinion I am entitled to react because I have fundamental reserves over every kind of retaliation.

laki bani

pre 15 godina

Despite my all sincere efforts to get some common ground and display some kind of neutrality even I belong to a part in all this, I see that you my dear MikeC are so unconventional, convincing me that I am just vesting my time discussing the matter. However, once more I’ll be trying to come up with a few significant evidences which are same time a response to your latest allegations.
1. If Albanians were so determined (according to you) to force out Serbs from Kosovo I guarantee that KFOR would not be able to protect anyone.
2. You are blaming us over our disturbance related to the Milosevic’s era, forgetting that it was a long (more than ten years) time accompanied with a systematic pressure asserted towards everything with the prefix Albanian. Same time crying so much about two days which of course made nobody glad, thus we are willingly paying price while displaying towards the entire world our unhappiness. What we didn’t see up to now Serbian side doing that.
3. As far as Old Serbian woman is concerned. Doesn’t mean automatically that it is done by Albanians if anything happens in Kosovo.
4. I also want to stress that KPC has offered their readiness and dedication to protecting all Serbian holly places all over Kosovo. It is an official offer that shouldn’t be underestimated.
5. I don’t have to ask myself of Serbian relations to the neighboring nations. Because it is well known fact that Serbia just recently has broken its diplomatic relations with all above mentioned.
6. finally; it was Serbia who started conflicts in all parts of ex. Yugoslavia
and so on, and so on…….

Joe

pre 15 godina

Demi I agree with you. I am just wondering who is paying these criminals and thugs? They s/b arrested. Preventing K-Albanians to rebuild their home is going way too far.

VB

pre 15 godina

40000 Serbs have yet to return to their houses/flats in Pristina. What has the international community done in that regard - nothing at all.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

In my opinion the proportion of the revenge by Albanians is very low compared to what the have experienced during the war.
laki bani

It is low thanks to KFOR! If not for them there wouldn't be one serb left in Kosovo and there wouln't be any churches or monasteries left either. A couple of years ago you tried to rid Kosovo of the remaining serb population after a coordinated attack on everything that is serb. NATO stooped your plans from becoming reality that time around. You always justify attack on serbs because of what happend to albanians during Milosevic. For example, what did an old serbian woman ever do to albanians in Kosovo to deserve having a grenade thrown at her home? This was the case a couple of weeks ago. The problem with a majority of albanians is that you treat ALL serbs the same. To most albanians, there are no innocent serbs. You still use Milosevic as an excuse to attack serbs and to justify your illegal claim for independence. Ask yourself why serbs, croats and bosnjaks have managed to improve their relations even though the wars in Croatia and Bosnia makes the Kosovo conflict look like a walk in the park in comparison.

BH_NYC

pre 15 godina

' Out of curiosity - how much does Sali Berisha or "snake" pay for such comment?
(Ataman, 25 April 2009 17:47) '

I wouldn't take all comments too seriously, he's most probably just winding you up. You might have even studied together, judging by the similarities of your comments.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

I wouldn't take all comments too seriously, he's most probably just winding you up. You might have even studied together, judging by the similarities of your comments.
(BH_NYC, 25 April 2009 18:36)

Easy to avoid by not winding up. You can find some good counter-examples. The "Albanian" question is not any more difficult than the "Transylvanian" question. As you remember well, few weeks ago there was some pretty emotional discussion about Moldova being Romanian, alleged Russian and Romanian influence during Voronin-elections and is Transylvania a stolen land or not.

Somehow things weren't looking even remotely as bad. Everyone has own views and probably the public education of each country is not without guilt either.

But things can become youtube-like in other case, completely out of control. If I see winding up by intent, I may also leave comments about "Quetzalcoatl, the evil pigeon-snake deity" or "Arnauts from Caucasus" if I am in teasing mood. I do not know, is that "Quetzal from Caucasus" the most efficient thing from pedagogic point of view (the undeclared goal is: achieve some kind of a Pavlovian reflex), but what is good for goose...

Little suggestion.

If Albanians want to achieve some kind of verbal victory here, they can try:

a) To write: "We, Dardanians climbed down the tree first, you, Serbs came from Ural - marsh back there to your Russian monkey brothers". My guess is: very-very poor chance of success. Most likely will result in an essay about Quetzal and his habit to devour human organs (reference to infamous yellow house).

b) To write: "We, Dardanians have temple near the city X, a castle near the city Y, according these, these and these sources it is pre-Slavic. Just look and see"

The expected answer will be probably some debate without much emotions and some probably even will visit the said site in person. You have a clear chance to convince the opponent. And even if not, you may achieve that some people will leave few hundred Dollars in the area while visiting it. Dollar is Dollar, even if it is paid to you by your opponent. I see only a clear gain.

From the previous, very heated debate Romanian "gang" came out probably as a winner because if nothing else, I decided to spend an easy weekend near Vajdahunyad/Hunedoara this Summer to see these two unusual buildings in person. I am a cheapskater, but even with that "Team Romania" has probably a 100-200 Euro win....

Miri

pre 15 godina

MikeC

Also, about denounce of attacks at serbs, (that u mentioned) by Kosovo authorities. This would be unfair fo serb community, to get the verdict by "enemy". (i.e. the serb criminal court's verdict about massacre in Suhareka. Letting free the main persons invloved in that case. Lets be fair - this is not fair). Even, serbs don't accept KS authorities' decisions, and they dont want to be part of those. - So, thats why here are the International judges, who explore this things. (i.e. some of the UNMIK's decesions in the past, on arrested and senteced albanian kosovars for "crimes" against serb kosovars, now when EU mission came, they are free, cuz there's no prove on that what UN "saw" as fact. - ...UNMIK is wanted by 'radical Serbia', cuz they want to make equal that what happened to albanians in Kosovo, with that what happened with serbs in Kosovo. - There's a very very big difference.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

laki bani

1. If Albanians were so determined (according to you) to force out Serbs from Kosovo I guarantee that KFOR would not be able to
protect anyone.

I will answere this with a question: How many serbs are left in Kosovo if you don't include the North? Not many so you have already
accomplished your mission.

2. You are blaming us over our disturbance related to the Milosevic’s era.

No no no no! You didn't read my comments very carefully. I didn't blame Milisevic dictatorship and crimes on albanians. Milisevic was a horrible dictator. He didn't just murder albanians but even his own people. I know that albanians were not always treated well and that is of course wrong. But in this case it's about albanians accusing serbs and vice verca. Albanians in Kosovo have for a long time before Milosevic came to power been harassing serbs. Serbs have for a long time been the minority in Kosovo and it's a known fact, at least to most serbs, that albanians have wanted to rid Kosovo of its serb population.

Serbias relations with its neighbors has been hampered becasuse of the recognition of Kosovo. You should know how strongly Serbia feels about this so Serbias reaction is expected. How would you feel if Albanian did not recognize Kosovo? That's how serbs felt about Montenegro recognizing Kosovo. What makes it worse is that they stabbed Serbia in the back just becasue they were pressured by the US/UK. That's how we serbs see it. Not expecting you to understand.

Finally, one recurring statement from albanians is that Serbia started all conflicts in the former Yugoslavia. I don't agree. Croatia wanted to break apart giving no guaranties to its serb minority. Given how serbs were treated by the ustase their reaction was not surpriseng. Serbs took up arms. Who wouldn't? Bosnia dissregarded the opinion of 33% of the population by declaring independence. Serbs have painfull memories from WW2 so this decision from the muslims and croats was the worst possible. This was about two people threatening a third party. If serbs wouldn't have resisted no serbs would be left in Bosnia.
Serbia has commited crimes against other people but that doesn't mean that Serbia is up for grabs. It doesn't mean serbs today can be harassed and killed at will. Balkan people, regardless of nationality, are very stubborn. That's why there won't be real peace any time soon.

Virg, New Zealand

pre 15 godina

This is stupid !

If Kosovo Serbs think that they will get what they want by doing this i think they need to re think the Kosovar Albanians have the right to re construct in our Kosova and also Serbs should re construct too in Kosovo. But either way there should not be any violence or disruption from both sides .

To clarify i am half New Zealander half Kosovar .

Ataman

pre 15 godina

@LMN

Radical ideas do not work either way. I would rather see them to grow up. This is why all the UNMIK/EULEX/whatever hoopla is about.

Expelling people was tried after WW-I and WW-II, it did not work and it took 50 years for wounds to heal.

JC, USA

pre 15 godina

"This is a perfect example of why there shouldn't be any Serbs in Kosova. Do what Croatia did and take all north by force, period..."

Wow, comments like these remind me just how big of a mistake the U.S. made in supporting you...

BH_NYC

pre 15 godina

I would say to some commentators here to read the article again and see what it’s about.
What the Serbs are doing in Mitrovica is 100% wrong and the western world will see it as such. This right now is much more important for K-Albanians then getting involved in discussions about Thracians, Moldova, Tibet and the rest of the world’s history. These are failed attempts made by certain commentators specifically for the purpose of distraction. I can see that they are happier right now to debate anything but what’s happening in Mitrovica but it’s not going to work.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Demi wrote:

But this only shows that the only problem in Kosovo is the serb population. Why don't bosniaks,romas,montenegros and other minoritys act the same

Why? Because they are too terrified to even exist there let alone make any noise.
Last night I watched a documentary about the Roma of Kosovo. They are on led contaminated land in Serbian part of Kosovo and have been there for the past 9 years. Children are dying of led poisoning but they still refuse to go back to their Mahala because it would mean living next to the very people who chased them out of their homes all those years ago. Yes, Albanians.
The Roma are Muslim as well but this did not stop Albanians from ethnically clensing them as well.
The only reason Serbs are standing up to you is because there is enough of them in the north, but you certainly have put enough barb wire around the ones in Albanian dominated areas to keep those quiet for a while.

adrian, timisoara

pre 15 godina

"Icidents like this one just show that numbers of international police should most certainly not be cut."

I don`t think the situation is that dramatic. OK,UNMIK police is slowly dissolving,but there were not many non EU policemen in it. They will have to replace the spanish KFOR troops, but that should be no problem.

BB

pre 15 godina

"It is low thanks to KFOR! If not for them there wouldn't be one serb left in Kosovo and there wouln't be any churches or monasteries left either."


Don't be that sure Mike C.

Matthew

pre 15 godina

We Serbs do have legitimate complaints. However, I think the response we should have should be to try to rebuild our homes just like the Albanians are doing. It does not help our cause to have incidents like this, it only looks bad. There’s really no valid excuse not to let people return to their homes.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

(Ataman, 25 April 2009 22:10)
Recommend (+5) Poor comment (-18)


See, this "-18" is precisely the reason why Albanians have a stillborn case, no matter how strong their alleged allies are.
Read the comment twice, sit down and (who can do it) think, why am I writing it and why am I 100% right on.

I also have to say, Illyrians+Thracians and Dacians could be related, but in 21st century the later seem to be significantly ahead in education, culture of debate, "europeannes" and what-not. A lot of room to improve for "Team Albania" and learn how to avoid scoring in own goal-net. Jesus, like a kindergarten.

LMN II, USA

pre 15 godina

To clarify i am half New Zealander half Kosovar .


Let's be realistic now, there is NO such thing as a Kosovar. Those that live in the province of Kosovo are either Serb or Albanian, nothing more, nothing less. Enough with this politically correct, a person can call an apple an orange, but that doesnt make it so.

Gustave

pre 15 godina

See, this "-18" is precisely the reason why Albanians have a stillborn case, no matter how strong their alleged allies are.
Read the comment twice, sit down and (who can do it) think, why am I writing it and why am I 100% right on.

I also have to say, Illyrians+Thracians and Dacians could be related, but in 21st century the later seem to be significantly ahead in education, culture of debate, "europeannes" and what-not. A lot of room to improve for "Team Albania" and learn how to avoid scoring in own goal-net. Jesus, like a kindergarten.
(Ataman, 26 April 2009 09:41)

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=58460

Oh c'mon, I got a -3 from your beloved Serbs just because I'm Albanian even though it was Easter day. One Albanian, the only that gets negatives. Yet I don't complain because I know who the trolls are and my people have seen MUCH worse from them.

You are the one who's being childish mister. And you are about twice my age (I'm 24).

Seriously what's the point of complaining at the minuses, even though you deserve them, given you never bash the Serbian posters for their love for Mladic & co, and their long list of war-morngering comments (like say Albania will become part of Serbia)?

Sidi's comment is heartfelt by many a K.Albanians. They don't need money to post what they post.

Xythi

pre 15 godina

regardless of unacceptable excuses serb minority are giving to cause trouble, the fact is had there been KPS involved in sending the trouble makers away and use that little bit of force EULEX forces used, i bet you monday morning UN emergency meeting would have been on monday morning.

PZ

pre 15 godina

LMN II, USA,”Furthermore, Im sick and tired of hearing the Albanians talk about Serbs not paying their electricity bills so they should have it shut off. Well, there are many, many thousands of Albanians who havent paid theirs either, but their electricity isnt getting cut off is it. How do you expect the Serbs to pay for that, let along food half of the time, when it isnt even safe for farmers to go out to farm their land. How do you expect Serbs to pay for anything when there is no way in hell they will ever get any good jobs without having to lick the boots of those who seek to enslave them. I have no respect for Albanians, none whatsoever, because all they want is to take, take, take and to give nothing in return.”

The problem with electricity payment is not only with Serbs, but with some 40% (if I’m not wrong) of total households in Kosovo. Neighborhoods, villages and even regions have been categorized in 3 categories: http://www.kek-energy.com/kek-cmnPg.jsp?mID=182&cat=181&l=2 depending on the percentage of payment. Now, let’s take an example: an X person lives in a neighborhood where only 20% pay electricity, including the X person. Unfortunately this X person will get power supply similar to the rest of 80% who don’t pay, because he lives in that same neighborhood and fall under same category.
Situation with Serb villages is worse. For 10 years most of them have not paid.

As far as employment is concerned I absolutely disagree with you. There are many Serbs employed in Kosovo, being it in international organizations or even in Kosovo Institutions. Many jobs when advertised are foreseen for Serbs. There are a reserved number of jobs especially for them, but it is something else that they don’t want to work with Kosovo institutions or with some international organizations. I’m sure you are aware with police who are getting salaries (similar to the Albanians) and not going to work, plus if we add the amount given by Serbian Government then they surly are getting at least 3 times more than their Albanian colleagues.


“Also, the ethnic Albanians are damn lucky Im not President. I would shut Bondsteel down, completely dismantle it, and bring all the US soldiers home. I would stop "donating" money to this money pit, de-recognize the province and tell Serbia to do whatever they want with it since it is SERBIAN LAND.”

As for this statement I really have no comment, it speaks for itself! Serbia once did whatever it wanted and the world judged it!

Fisi

pre 15 godina

Question: Assuming that Kosovo is Serbia, as many of you claim, is the Serb reaction to the Albanian home re-builders in northern Kosovo the way Serbia wants to integrate Albanians in their society?

Don't forget, the place the incident happened is Serb controlled, so you can not claim that Kosovar authorities do not let you integrate them into your society.

Plisi

pre 15 godina

"Expelling people was tried after WW-I and WW-II, it did not work and it took 50 years for wounds to heal"
According to you Ataman our wounds will get heald something around yr2060.Expelling as exactly the Kosovo Serbs helped by serbian military tried to do to KA.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

"You are the one who's being childish mister. And you are about twice my age (I'm 24)."

No problem, Gustave, add an other 20-something and in 2030 you will see, why I was right. The "minuses" are merely an indicator of some sad facts about the level of education and political culture. I do not feel offended in person.

Feel free to look at the results of math. olympiads or other competitions of academic nature: Albania has a lot of work to do - and where is KiM? I would not object to see a separate KiM team on this one, but I would be afraid to even see the scores. Compare "ALB" scores in math with ones of a humble country like Mongolia (MNG) and think about it:

http://www.imo-official.org/results.aspx

About your "minuses" on the Easter - here Serbs are 100% innocent. You had two comments:

http://tinyurl.com/c47b45

The first got only "+", but some may feel, mentioning "harakiri" in the second is not proper on THAT particular day because it could bring bad luck. Has 100% nothing to do with being Albanian or not, more with some people being over-superstitious.

LMN II, USA

pre 15 godina

To "32": (LMN II, USA, 26 April 2009 16:05)

Your writing does not seem to be an American model of witting and thinking.
(Luan, Michigan, 27 April 2009 16:54)

What in the h@ll does that mean? Most Americans, except for some military personnel, have no idea where the Balkans are, let along Kosovo. I talk to people everyday and most of them have never heard of Camp Bondsteel, but I must admit that it's become a mission of mine to educate those very same people about the various nuances of the region. Many Americans know nothing about the region's history. Many American's were never taught in our schools about SS Skanderbeg, SS Handzar, Jasnevac, the saving of American airmen who were shot down by the Nazis and their sympathizers during WWII, Ottoman rule, the Battle of Kosovo Polje and it's importance, as well as, recent history like the constant back and forth between Serbs and Albanians in the province, the March 2004 riots and so on and so forth. During those tumultuous late 90s most Americans only heard one side of the story, not both sides of the story, the mainstream media was extremely biased against the Serb people. Also, many Americans, especially Christian Americans, have no idea how the Orthodox Christian faith in Kosovo is under constant persecution by the predominately muslim Albanians. Believe this, if the Kosovo mess had happened after 9/11 there would have been absolutely no help at all on behalf of the ethnic Albanians and let's just leave it at that.

veki

pre 15 godina

Just to say I am sending strength to the brave brothers and sisters in K.Mitrovica. All Serbs support you, because you are right. The return must be reciprocal!
This rebuilding K-Albanian houses is a straightforward cynicism since nobody is going to pay for Serbian property burned, damaged, destroyed.
If the government of so-called state of Kosovo was serious they'll start in the same time with the full-fledged return program for K-Serbs rebuilding their houses south of Ibar.
They think they can get away with this brainwashing 'democratic' statements and act one-sidedly to pursue ethnic discrimination forever as they are very well used to.
NO, they can't.Stand up and demand your rights, we are with you.

Luan, Michigan

pre 15 godina

To "32": (LMN II, USA, 26 April 2009 16:05)

Your writing does not seem to be an American model of witting and thinking.