Kosovo officials say that President Boris Tadić’s statement during his <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=17&nav_id=58569" class="text-link" target= "_blank">visit to the Visoki Dečani monastery</a> went beyond an Easter message of peace.
Every city in the world has Serbian roots (where there is a Serb that is Serbia, right).
I have listed some more below:
New York (Novi Jorkovič)
London (Lon Donič)
Barcelona (Bar Celonovič – named after a bar owned by the Celonovič family)
Paris (Par Isovič).
Should I continue?
EA: "Kate, The so-called six point plan was a plan "agreed" between Ban and Tadic to let the EULEX in without Serbia losing face. EULEX would have been in anyway. By the way the so-called six point plan hasn't got the Kosova's institutions approval. I know you would love to minimise its egsistance BUT they are there and govern Kosova with the help of the West."
I'm not trying to overlook the existence of the Kosovo govt. - I just view them as currently being a provincial rather than state government. I also think that their behaviour (eg the Tadic visit) comes across as pretty amateur and that the level of corruption runs deep (I know that many govts are guilty of that, but it's a matter of degree).
As for the 6 point plan, I am sure that you are right in the reasons for it being agreed, but it was still agreed between the UN and Serbia. Therefore it has to be respected.
Even if the Kosovo govt did not approve the 6 point plan, the UN currently has the overall authority which makes the 6 point plan valid.
BTW, thanks for the respectful tone - it's appreciated.
By the way the so-called six point plan hasn't got the Kosova's institutions approval.
EA
What does this tell you? If you think outside the box for once you will come to the same conclusion as the rest of the world. Kosovo is heading towards partition. Either that or EULEX will have to stay in Kosovo for all eternity to protect Serbian churches, monasteries and the Serbian people still living there.
The UN has also agreed the 6 points which includes not accepting the A Plan (which is the basis for the so-called constitution) and that the EU is operating under the UN approved guidelines (ie. Resolution 1244).
(kate, 21 April 2009 10:48)
Kate,
The so-called six point plan was a plan "agreed" between Ban and Tadic to let the EULEX in without Serbia losing face. EULEX would have been in anyway. By the way the so-called six point plan hasn't got the Kosova's institutions approval. I know you would love to minimise its egsistance BUT they are there and govern Kosova with the help of the West.
"My message today in Visoki Dečani is a message of peace, peace for Serbs and Albanians who live in Kosovo in our Serbia, because without peace we cannot secure decent living. Without faith in peace we cannot live normal lives," Tadić said.
My God. What a breach of protocol. I've never read anything more inciteful or demeaning. Why, even Milosevic never dared to go where Tadic went.
The Albanians better invoke an Article 301 of their own so they can sue the pants off of Tadic for insulting the Neo-Illyrian race.
What next? Reconciliation? Compromise? Who knows where this madman will take his politics?
Paradoxon, you've obviously misinterpreted the meanings of these basic words. As you said: "if Kosovo je Srbija", which means 'if Kosovo is Serbia', and the meaning of this if is a set based comparison and not an equality. Since these two objects are physical areas one cannot assume simple equality, but rather an area based approach which can be abstracted to a Venn Diagram. This means simple that ofcourse Kosovo DOES NOT EQUAL Serbia, but rather the Kosovo Set is contained within Serbia.
When you wish to present logical arguments (for which I am grateful... a thinking argument and not just a personal rant) take a moment to fully understand the statements.
I don't know if your are really that ignorant and blind to reality or just pretending? The reason Thaci said "yes" was a face-saver because Tadic was coming wheter Thaci would give his permission or not. If Thaci would have said "no" and Tadic would have come Thaci would look even more rediculous than he already does. To the Albanian public Thaci gave "the green light" for Tadic to enter. If you want to beliave that fairytale then go ahead.
Sad to see various poster's here of the opinion that 'pristina' has any real say as to who can & cannot enter Kosovo (at least officially).
Reality is that 'pristina' doesn't have much choice but to follow the 'advice' of someone like Feith.. if it wants to maintain the illusion of independence.
From http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=17&nav_id=58569
> Also today, reports said that EU's special representative in Kosovo Pieter Feith had said that he had recommended to the government in Priština to make Tadić's visit Kosovo possible.
Please enlighten me about free speech. How come, Mr. Tadic did not approve the Hungarian president's visit to Vojvodina to mark Hungary's national day with the minority Hungarians?
He did not want to speak about Vojvodina being the heart of ancient Hungary. He prevented even his visit.
Peggy,
Let us see how the process of any future visit of Serbian politicians will be done!
Let us see if he/they will be allowed to make such comments!
You see Peggy, you can say 100 good words just to mess everything with one single “slip of the tongue” (deliberate this time).
It is very simple (though you might disagree).
You are no longer in Serbia, you are in a different country (like it or not).
Obey the conditions imposed for the visit or never come back again.
The only winner is Kosovo (thanks to unprofessional political act).
I don’t know if you actually heard his speech.
When he used the term “our Serbia” (“našoj Srbiji”) he muffled (lowered his voice).
He knew that he and other Serbian politicians will pay the “penalty” but he still said it (this is what it was expected from him by the crowd).
Unprofessional however expected.
The fact that he had to wait until Thaci gave him permission means that Tadic was NOT in 'his country.' Next time he will not be allowed in, very simple. Instead of going to church and leaving politics aside he did the opposite.
Kosovo "government" could find themselves outside the law very soon.
Tadic has done something illegal? Illegal, according to whom? UN hasn't recognized "Kosova" and neither have the EU as a body so who says this is illegal?
Self proclaimed president and PM of "Kosovoa"?
I can proclaim I am the queen of England but who is going to stamp that one?
Tadic has broken no laws in his own country. If he has then by all means Mr Thaci, take him to court and see where you get. Get Interpol to chase him.
Dear Serbs,
if Kosovo je Srbija, what is Serbia then? Even more confusing is the naming "Kosovo i Metohija". Does this mean Metohija is not Serbia, cause Kosovo is Serbia. 1+1=2 equal 2=1+1 Kosovo=Serbia is same as Serbia = Kosovo. Or how can Kosovo be Kosovo, Kosovo and Metohija and Serbia simultaneously?
Instead of "analyzing" all aspects of Tadic, Mr.Kuci should deliever for his own people...
Everyone who has been in the province knows that the living standard is essentially the same as in 1999 short after the war.
No electricity,water,jobs,Serbs persecuted...
For them it is only important to preserve their sick ideas of Greater Albania(with the living standard of Congo)
We’ll analyze and make our own appraisal,” said Kuqi.
Don't bother Mr Kuqi. No one cares about your "appraisal" nor do we listen to what you or your maffiafriends have to say. Tadic has every right to say and do whatever he wants in Kosovo. Acording to international law Kosovo is Serbia. Albanians must feel pretty powerless to see Serbian officials enter and leave Kosovo as they please while neither your "sponsors" or you can do anything about it.
“The Kosovo authorities are entitled to decide on requests in line with their procedures. The role of the EU special envoy is more to give advice and support to the authorities in Kosovo, to help find practical solutions for certain issues, and to ensure that pragmatic solutions are chosen. The Kosovo institutions will evaluate all requests,” Julia Reuter said.
This says it all, doesn't it?
I bet there ain't gonna be any official visit by the Serbian government in the coming years unless they get used to obey the laws of a different country, this case Kosova laws!
"At the same time, he called on the Serbian president to withhold from making any remarks that were in breach of the Kosovo Constitution, or which called into question Kosovo’s independence."
Free speech is not allowed under the 'constitution'? Boris Tadic was speaking to people within his own country, as affirmed by the UN, so I can hardly see why any of his comments could have overstepped the mark.
"Under the provincial constitution, the Kosovo institutions are the only authority that can permit or veto a visit by foreign statesmen. This was confirmed by the EU special envoy to Kosovo’s spokeswoman Julia Rueter..."
She can say what she likes to appease the provincial govt but she should remember that the EU is only there under the UN umbrella, and the EU as an organisation is status neutral. The UN has also agreed the 6 points which includes not accepting the A Plan (which is the basis for the so-called constitution) and that the EU is operating under the UN approved guidelines (ie. Resolution 1244).
"At the same time, he called on the Serbian president to withhold from making any remarks that were in breach of the Kosovo Constitution, or which called into question Kosovo’s independence."
Free speech is not allowed under the 'constitution'? Boris Tadic was speaking to people within his own country, as affirmed by the UN, so I can hardly see why any of his comments could have overstepped the mark.
"Under the provincial constitution, the Kosovo institutions are the only authority that can permit or veto a visit by foreign statesmen. This was confirmed by the EU special envoy to Kosovo’s spokeswoman Julia Rueter..."
She can say what she likes to appease the provincial govt but she should remember that the EU is only there under the UN umbrella, and the EU as an organisation is status neutral. The UN has also agreed the 6 points which includes not accepting the A Plan (which is the basis for the so-called constitution) and that the EU is operating under the UN approved guidelines (ie. Resolution 1244).
Kosovo "government" could find themselves outside the law very soon.
Tadic has done something illegal? Illegal, according to whom? UN hasn't recognized "Kosova" and neither have the EU as a body so who says this is illegal?
Self proclaimed president and PM of "Kosovoa"?
I can proclaim I am the queen of England but who is going to stamp that one?
Tadic has broken no laws in his own country. If he has then by all means Mr Thaci, take him to court and see where you get. Get Interpol to chase him.
Instead of "analyzing" all aspects of Tadic, Mr.Kuci should deliever for his own people...
Everyone who has been in the province knows that the living standard is essentially the same as in 1999 short after the war.
No electricity,water,jobs,Serbs persecuted...
For them it is only important to preserve their sick ideas of Greater Albania(with the living standard of Congo)
We’ll analyze and make our own appraisal,” said Kuqi.
Don't bother Mr Kuqi. No one cares about your "appraisal" nor do we listen to what you or your maffiafriends have to say. Tadic has every right to say and do whatever he wants in Kosovo. Acording to international law Kosovo is Serbia. Albanians must feel pretty powerless to see Serbian officials enter and leave Kosovo as they please while neither your "sponsors" or you can do anything about it.
I don't know if your are really that ignorant and blind to reality or just pretending? The reason Thaci said "yes" was a face-saver because Tadic was coming wheter Thaci would give his permission or not. If Thaci would have said "no" and Tadic would have come Thaci would look even more rediculous than he already does. To the Albanian public Thaci gave "the green light" for Tadic to enter. If you want to beliave that fairytale then go ahead.
Sad to see various poster's here of the opinion that 'pristina' has any real say as to who can & cannot enter Kosovo (at least officially).
Reality is that 'pristina' doesn't have much choice but to follow the 'advice' of someone like Feith.. if it wants to maintain the illusion of independence.
From http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=17&nav_id=58569
> Also today, reports said that EU's special representative in Kosovo Pieter Feith had said that he had recommended to the government in Priština to make Tadić's visit Kosovo possible.
Dear Serbs,
if Kosovo je Srbija, what is Serbia then? Even more confusing is the naming "Kosovo i Metohija". Does this mean Metohija is not Serbia, cause Kosovo is Serbia. 1+1=2 equal 2=1+1 Kosovo=Serbia is same as Serbia = Kosovo. Or how can Kosovo be Kosovo, Kosovo and Metohija and Serbia simultaneously?
Paradoxon, you've obviously misinterpreted the meanings of these basic words. As you said: "if Kosovo je Srbija", which means 'if Kosovo is Serbia', and the meaning of this if is a set based comparison and not an equality. Since these two objects are physical areas one cannot assume simple equality, but rather an area based approach which can be abstracted to a Venn Diagram. This means simple that ofcourse Kosovo DOES NOT EQUAL Serbia, but rather the Kosovo Set is contained within Serbia.
When you wish to present logical arguments (for which I am grateful... a thinking argument and not just a personal rant) take a moment to fully understand the statements.
"My message today in Visoki Dečani is a message of peace, peace for Serbs and Albanians who live in Kosovo in our Serbia, because without peace we cannot secure decent living. Without faith in peace we cannot live normal lives," Tadić said.
My God. What a breach of protocol. I've never read anything more inciteful or demeaning. Why, even Milosevic never dared to go where Tadic went.
The Albanians better invoke an Article 301 of their own so they can sue the pants off of Tadic for insulting the Neo-Illyrian race.
What next? Reconciliation? Compromise? Who knows where this madman will take his politics?
“The Kosovo authorities are entitled to decide on requests in line with their procedures. The role of the EU special envoy is more to give advice and support to the authorities in Kosovo, to help find practical solutions for certain issues, and to ensure that pragmatic solutions are chosen. The Kosovo institutions will evaluate all requests,” Julia Reuter said.
This says it all, doesn't it?
I bet there ain't gonna be any official visit by the Serbian government in the coming years unless they get used to obey the laws of a different country, this case Kosova laws!
The fact that he had to wait until Thaci gave him permission means that Tadic was NOT in 'his country.' Next time he will not be allowed in, very simple. Instead of going to church and leaving politics aside he did the opposite.
Peggy,
Let us see how the process of any future visit of Serbian politicians will be done!
Let us see if he/they will be allowed to make such comments!
You see Peggy, you can say 100 good words just to mess everything with one single “slip of the tongue” (deliberate this time).
It is very simple (though you might disagree).
You are no longer in Serbia, you are in a different country (like it or not).
Obey the conditions imposed for the visit or never come back again.
The only winner is Kosovo (thanks to unprofessional political act).
I don’t know if you actually heard his speech.
When he used the term “our Serbia” (“našoj Srbiji”) he muffled (lowered his voice).
He knew that he and other Serbian politicians will pay the “penalty” but he still said it (this is what it was expected from him by the crowd).
Unprofessional however expected.
Please enlighten me about free speech. How come, Mr. Tadic did not approve the Hungarian president's visit to Vojvodina to mark Hungary's national day with the minority Hungarians?
He did not want to speak about Vojvodina being the heart of ancient Hungary. He prevented even his visit.
By the way the so-called six point plan hasn't got the Kosova's institutions approval.
EA
What does this tell you? If you think outside the box for once you will come to the same conclusion as the rest of the world. Kosovo is heading towards partition. Either that or EULEX will have to stay in Kosovo for all eternity to protect Serbian churches, monasteries and the Serbian people still living there.
The UN has also agreed the 6 points which includes not accepting the A Plan (which is the basis for the so-called constitution) and that the EU is operating under the UN approved guidelines (ie. Resolution 1244).
(kate, 21 April 2009 10:48)
Kate,
The so-called six point plan was a plan "agreed" between Ban and Tadic to let the EULEX in without Serbia losing face. EULEX would have been in anyway. By the way the so-called six point plan hasn't got the Kosova's institutions approval. I know you would love to minimise its egsistance BUT they are there and govern Kosova with the help of the West.
Every city in the world has Serbian roots (where there is a Serb that is Serbia, right).
I have listed some more below:
New York (Novi Jorkovič)
London (Lon Donič)
Barcelona (Bar Celonovič – named after a bar owned by the Celonovič family)
Paris (Par Isovič).
Should I continue?
EA: "Kate, The so-called six point plan was a plan "agreed" between Ban and Tadic to let the EULEX in without Serbia losing face. EULEX would have been in anyway. By the way the so-called six point plan hasn't got the Kosova's institutions approval. I know you would love to minimise its egsistance BUT they are there and govern Kosova with the help of the West."
I'm not trying to overlook the existence of the Kosovo govt. - I just view them as currently being a provincial rather than state government. I also think that their behaviour (eg the Tadic visit) comes across as pretty amateur and that the level of corruption runs deep (I know that many govts are guilty of that, but it's a matter of degree).
As for the 6 point plan, I am sure that you are right in the reasons for it being agreed, but it was still agreed between the UN and Serbia. Therefore it has to be respected.
Even if the Kosovo govt did not approve the 6 point plan, the UN currently has the overall authority which makes the 6 point plan valid.
BTW, thanks for the respectful tone - it's appreciated.
“The Kosovo authorities are entitled to decide on requests in line with their procedures. The role of the EU special envoy is more to give advice and support to the authorities in Kosovo, to help find practical solutions for certain issues, and to ensure that pragmatic solutions are chosen. The Kosovo institutions will evaluate all requests,” Julia Reuter said.
This says it all, doesn't it?
I bet there ain't gonna be any official visit by the Serbian government in the coming years unless they get used to obey the laws of a different country, this case Kosova laws!
Dear Serbs,
if Kosovo je Srbija, what is Serbia then? Even more confusing is the naming "Kosovo i Metohija". Does this mean Metohija is not Serbia, cause Kosovo is Serbia. 1+1=2 equal 2=1+1 Kosovo=Serbia is same as Serbia = Kosovo. Or how can Kosovo be Kosovo, Kosovo and Metohija and Serbia simultaneously?
The fact that he had to wait until Thaci gave him permission means that Tadic was NOT in 'his country.' Next time he will not be allowed in, very simple. Instead of going to church and leaving politics aside he did the opposite.
Peggy,
Let us see how the process of any future visit of Serbian politicians will be done!
Let us see if he/they will be allowed to make such comments!
You see Peggy, you can say 100 good words just to mess everything with one single “slip of the tongue” (deliberate this time).
It is very simple (though you might disagree).
You are no longer in Serbia, you are in a different country (like it or not).
Obey the conditions imposed for the visit or never come back again.
The only winner is Kosovo (thanks to unprofessional political act).
I don’t know if you actually heard his speech.
When he used the term “our Serbia” (“našoj Srbiji”) he muffled (lowered his voice).
He knew that he and other Serbian politicians will pay the “penalty” but he still said it (this is what it was expected from him by the crowd).
Unprofessional however expected.
Please enlighten me about free speech. How come, Mr. Tadic did not approve the Hungarian president's visit to Vojvodina to mark Hungary's national day with the minority Hungarians?
He did not want to speak about Vojvodina being the heart of ancient Hungary. He prevented even his visit.
"At the same time, he called on the Serbian president to withhold from making any remarks that were in breach of the Kosovo Constitution, or which called into question Kosovo’s independence."
Free speech is not allowed under the 'constitution'? Boris Tadic was speaking to people within his own country, as affirmed by the UN, so I can hardly see why any of his comments could have overstepped the mark.
"Under the provincial constitution, the Kosovo institutions are the only authority that can permit or veto a visit by foreign statesmen. This was confirmed by the EU special envoy to Kosovo’s spokeswoman Julia Rueter..."
She can say what she likes to appease the provincial govt but she should remember that the EU is only there under the UN umbrella, and the EU as an organisation is status neutral. The UN has also agreed the 6 points which includes not accepting the A Plan (which is the basis for the so-called constitution) and that the EU is operating under the UN approved guidelines (ie. Resolution 1244).
Instead of "analyzing" all aspects of Tadic, Mr.Kuci should deliever for his own people...
Everyone who has been in the province knows that the living standard is essentially the same as in 1999 short after the war.
No electricity,water,jobs,Serbs persecuted...
For them it is only important to preserve their sick ideas of Greater Albania(with the living standard of Congo)
We’ll analyze and make our own appraisal,” said Kuqi.
Don't bother Mr Kuqi. No one cares about your "appraisal" nor do we listen to what you or your maffiafriends have to say. Tadic has every right to say and do whatever he wants in Kosovo. Acording to international law Kosovo is Serbia. Albanians must feel pretty powerless to see Serbian officials enter and leave Kosovo as they please while neither your "sponsors" or you can do anything about it.
Kosovo "government" could find themselves outside the law very soon.
Tadic has done something illegal? Illegal, according to whom? UN hasn't recognized "Kosova" and neither have the EU as a body so who says this is illegal?
Self proclaimed president and PM of "Kosovoa"?
I can proclaim I am the queen of England but who is going to stamp that one?
Tadic has broken no laws in his own country. If he has then by all means Mr Thaci, take him to court and see where you get. Get Interpol to chase him.
The UN has also agreed the 6 points which includes not accepting the A Plan (which is the basis for the so-called constitution) and that the EU is operating under the UN approved guidelines (ie. Resolution 1244).
(kate, 21 April 2009 10:48)
Kate,
The so-called six point plan was a plan "agreed" between Ban and Tadic to let the EULEX in without Serbia losing face. EULEX would have been in anyway. By the way the so-called six point plan hasn't got the Kosova's institutions approval. I know you would love to minimise its egsistance BUT they are there and govern Kosova with the help of the West.
I don't know if your are really that ignorant and blind to reality or just pretending? The reason Thaci said "yes" was a face-saver because Tadic was coming wheter Thaci would give his permission or not. If Thaci would have said "no" and Tadic would have come Thaci would look even more rediculous than he already does. To the Albanian public Thaci gave "the green light" for Tadic to enter. If you want to beliave that fairytale then go ahead.
Paradoxon, you've obviously misinterpreted the meanings of these basic words. As you said: "if Kosovo je Srbija", which means 'if Kosovo is Serbia', and the meaning of this if is a set based comparison and not an equality. Since these two objects are physical areas one cannot assume simple equality, but rather an area based approach which can be abstracted to a Venn Diagram. This means simple that ofcourse Kosovo DOES NOT EQUAL Serbia, but rather the Kosovo Set is contained within Serbia.
When you wish to present logical arguments (for which I am grateful... a thinking argument and not just a personal rant) take a moment to fully understand the statements.
"My message today in Visoki Dečani is a message of peace, peace for Serbs and Albanians who live in Kosovo in our Serbia, because without peace we cannot secure decent living. Without faith in peace we cannot live normal lives," Tadić said.
My God. What a breach of protocol. I've never read anything more inciteful or demeaning. Why, even Milosevic never dared to go where Tadic went.
The Albanians better invoke an Article 301 of their own so they can sue the pants off of Tadic for insulting the Neo-Illyrian race.
What next? Reconciliation? Compromise? Who knows where this madman will take his politics?
By the way the so-called six point plan hasn't got the Kosova's institutions approval.
EA
What does this tell you? If you think outside the box for once you will come to the same conclusion as the rest of the world. Kosovo is heading towards partition. Either that or EULEX will have to stay in Kosovo for all eternity to protect Serbian churches, monasteries and the Serbian people still living there.
Sad to see various poster's here of the opinion that 'pristina' has any real say as to who can & cannot enter Kosovo (at least officially).
Reality is that 'pristina' doesn't have much choice but to follow the 'advice' of someone like Feith.. if it wants to maintain the illusion of independence.
From http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=17&nav_id=58569
> Also today, reports said that EU's special representative in Kosovo Pieter Feith had said that he had recommended to the government in Priština to make Tadić's visit Kosovo possible.
Every city in the world has Serbian roots (where there is a Serb that is Serbia, right).
I have listed some more below:
New York (Novi Jorkovič)
London (Lon Donič)
Barcelona (Bar Celonovič – named after a bar owned by the Celonovič family)
Paris (Par Isovič).
Should I continue?
EA: "Kate, The so-called six point plan was a plan "agreed" between Ban and Tadic to let the EULEX in without Serbia losing face. EULEX would have been in anyway. By the way the so-called six point plan hasn't got the Kosova's institutions approval. I know you would love to minimise its egsistance BUT they are there and govern Kosova with the help of the West."
I'm not trying to overlook the existence of the Kosovo govt. - I just view them as currently being a provincial rather than state government. I also think that their behaviour (eg the Tadic visit) comes across as pretty amateur and that the level of corruption runs deep (I know that many govts are guilty of that, but it's a matter of degree).
As for the 6 point plan, I am sure that you are right in the reasons for it being agreed, but it was still agreed between the UN and Serbia. Therefore it has to be respected.
Even if the Kosovo govt did not approve the 6 point plan, the UN currently has the overall authority which makes the 6 point plan valid.
BTW, thanks for the respectful tone - it's appreciated.
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