In my text message,number 37,besides mispelling Kosovo in sentence 3,the next sentence should read:"Why cannot the Kosovo government give some type of jobs to the Serbs?"
The USA and NATO have a large chunk of evidence that Kosovo is a racist, physically violent society against the Serbs. When The ethnic Albanian President of Kosovo and the ethnic Albanian Prime Minister of Kosovo claimed that" Kosovo is for everyone"; here is direct proof that Serbs are being driven out of their homes and farms from the terrorism of lack of jobs and from the terrorism of great physical danger; the USA and NATO have absolutely no business supporting the racist and terrorist government of ethnic Albanian controlled Koaovo. Why cannot the Kosovo government give some type of to the Serbs? Why cannot the Kosovo government at least try to protect the Serbs and Serbian homes, busineses, and farms? Because the ethnic Albanian Kosovo government will not even lift a finger to help the Serbs. USA/NATO, quit supporting a racist, anti minority, unfair Kosovo.
Looking forward (hopping) to your sarcastic reply.
(blero, 20 April 2009 12:54)
Blero, that was for one Caucasian "Arnaut" out of seven-something million (ex)Illyrians / ex)Thracians /ex)Dacians.
If he is in better mood today, he can be "upgraded" to Illyrian/Thracian/Dacian state today. I kind of felt sorry for him yesterday at the end of the day
One main reason for Serbs leaving is it has not been safe for them to farm - they've been threatened, shot at, etc.
This very definitely is pressure to cause ethnic cleansing. It is more than the economy in this case because if the farmers could grow their own food and herd their own livestock, they'd meet a good part of their needs and have things to sell/barter.
This is what is REAL ethnic cleansing - the TEMPORARY leaving during the heat of the war is many times people sitting out the war. That is what happened after NATO started bombing. Further at least one KLA commander admitted that they told their Albanians to leave after NATO started bombing.
If there were real ethnic cleansing against Albanians, their population would have dropped after Milosevic came to power - but it was essentially stable.
The "Arnaut" message was special for one with "Alban" nick only in the spirit of "tease for tease". He got his share of tease, that's it.
I am well aware, precisely the "Arnaut" story is a "conspiracy theory" because the dispute is merely about "Illyrian" versus "Dacian" versus "Thracian" origin and there is no connection between Albanians today and the early medieval kingdom of Albania in Caucasus.
Again, it was a tease and for a particular person only.
Ataman, I thought that Arnaut was the name that the Turks used when referring to us!!
You could have used Arbanoi, Albanoi, Illyrian or other local names to “prove” us that history is a strong side of yours.
What we have here is the wrong interpretation of the history using wrong naming conversions.
Ataman, I believe that sarcasm more than history suits you more with your comments.
I believe Denis’s comment reflects what I was going to add (Albanians and Caucasus) however since Denis beat me to it (thanks mate) I’ll leave it with this.
Looking forward (hopping) to your sarcastic reply.
NOVO NASELJE is the latest victim of a systematic ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. The last Serb families are now preparing to leave the village of Devet Jugovica. Most other villages around central Kosovo have already been cleansed. As I said before, nothing happens in Kosovo by accident. Denying the people of these villages their basic human rights, is an effective method of social asphyxiation a process which has greatly accelerated in the last decade since Kosovo became a UN Protectorate. Only the chosen ones were protected, that is NATO,s allies.
Since when is selling and buying real estate "ethnic cleansing"?
(L*O*G*I*C, 19 April 2009 21:48)
if you sell your home under pressure from the other ethnic group, for example. if it is true that albanians hoist albanian flags whenever they buy a house from a serbian family it is difficult to believe that there is no political motivation behind this.
Biggest mistake Serbs ever made: allowing Arnauts from Caucasus to settle in the area and populate it at their cost.
No conspiracy theories anymore. Happy and satisfied now? ;)
(Ataman, 19 April 2009 21:25)
Wow, this is truly the message of peace the region needs? So organ snatching (but not mass grave digging), is an Albanian thing....
Aztecs seem as a cradle of civilization when you read such comments.
I am yet to see a historical document of this "Arnaut" migration from caucasus in the "Serbian" land, as I can find plenty of documents about the slavic migration in the region.
So maybe the biggest mistake the Albanians did is that they allowed Serbs to settle in the Albanian land, and they did not use their power and mussle under Scanderbeg and the otoman empire to purify Kosovo.
It's true that Serbian people have tough time finding a job, however, it's also true that they refuse to get integrated. They refuse the help (unless you give them cash money for nothing), they don't pay taxes, electricity, water, or anything. In order to move forward, they have to accept the reality and live like everybody else. It's been a long time since there was any ethnic violence or attack. My advice is INTEGRATE and don't listen to politicians from Serbia that come here to collect votes and do nothing for you.
All this bickering and tongue lashing. Calm down. First of all this is a prime example of propaganda. The title misleads you to believe that Kosovar minority are leaving Kosova --- this isn't true, they are leaving Lipjan, they aren't leaving to Serbia.
Since when is selling and buying real estate "ethnic cleansing"? You serbs will do anything to play victim. Serbia last year spent millions of USD to buy Albanian property in Mahalla e Bonshjakve, and Zubin Potok.
(L*O*G*I*C, 19 April 2009 21:48)
Well said L*O*G*I*C, I read all your comments especially when you bring facts on the table. This is one of them.
Cheers.
I agree with Freek on this one!
I think there is a small technical erorr as well as numbers don't add up!
I would say that a lot of us,who live abroad left Kosova for a better life!I am not surprised that some of Kosovan Serbs are selling their houses for better life somewhere else!
Now Serbia will use this as a propaganda against Kosovan Albanians!
There is a Global crisis,it is not the best time to sell the properties!
I would like that Kosovan Serbs to stay in Kosova,I want them to understand that there are no jobs at the present nowhere in the World!
I would like them to be more optimistic and positive about their future,to accept Kosova as their home!!!
I think you see this in everyday wife. Where a big kid bullies a smaller kid especially when his buddies are behind him to back him up. Then when the smaller kid grows up and can defend himself and the bigger kid no longer has his group behind him, then he starts to fear the former smaller child.
What do you expect?
People need to live and can't support themself with Jeremic propaganda!
All Belgrade is doing by not recognising Kosovo is creating fear and uncertanity for the Serb in Kosovo. The Serb in Kosovo can not get on with life because Belgarde will not let them.
You are telling them to not recognise the country, to not work for the Kosovo goverment, to not pay the bills, to not learn albanian, not to join the education and health system and etc.
How could someone live like that? Of course they will try to move out.
After all as any other human they need to make a life somehow.
Shame they will choose to make the life not in Kosovo when they born, but in Belgrade where no one will care for them.
Even now when they choose to abandon Kosovo still you want to score some political point from them.
There is no problem with the Albanians. If you can talk to an Albanian about selling the house i can't see why would you be afraid to work in the land.
"Ethnic cleasing" today in Kosovo is beeing sponcor by Belgrade smear campaign against Kosovo.
The ethnic cleansing is an indictment against NATO, UK, US and EU. The UDI is a reward for the success of Albanian ethnic cleansing that predates Milosevic.
You don't have to threaten Serbs to get rid of them - just threaten anyone who is willing to do business with them.
The UDI was born out of this form of racism and should not be allowed to sustain.
1244 calls for a properly negotiated solution. Serbia is no longer under Milosevic, so it is time to stop justifying Albanian separatism and racism (the root cause of the problems in the first place) and insist on a proper negotiation.
All this bickering and tongue lashing. Calm down. First of all this is a prime example of propaganda. The title misleads you to believe that Kosovar minority are leaving Kosova --- this isn't true, they are leaving Lipjan, they aren't leaving to Serbia.
Since when is selling and buying real estate "ethnic cleansing"? You serbs will do anything to play victim. Serbia last year spent millions of USD to buy Albanian property in Mahalla e Bonshjakve, and Zubin Potok.
The King of Conspiracy theories wrote:
(Alban, 19 April 2009 16:26)
Alban,
I should stand corrected. You are 100% right. This case is just simply a case of ethnic cleansing and by-product of Quetzalcoatl (human organ devouring Aztec snake-pigeon deity) cult. No conspiracy theory, only a bunch of Albanian bashi-bozuks threatening Serbs as they used to do since hundreds of years.
Biggest mistake Serbs ever made: allowing Arnauts from Caucasus to settle in the area and populate it at their cost.
No conspiracy theories anymore. Happy and satisfied now? ;)
I Work in Kosovo with Eulex and i can tell you that house prices are crazy expensive here but the most amazing thing is Albanians buy them Cash... Where do they get all this money?
There is no comparison with Kosovo and Florida. Either you are ignorant of the situation or forgot to read the entire article. If that were the case than Serbs would be buying the homes as well and not only Albanians.
Alban, you do not know what you are talking about because the serbs were not holding kosovo back, nor were they getting any benefits. Slovenia was getting richer and richer through tito's rule, and the albanians in kosovo had their own autonomy, and they mismanaged as they were incompetent. Furthermore, the albanian population growth rate which is insanely high puts big strain on the future generations.
Freek, it is 25 out of the 120 that are leaving, not 25 out of 140.
You can only complain to Mr Jeremic for this, as he is responsible in the eyes of the world for this.
It will sadly fall on the death ears in the west.
Mr Jeremic 'you reap what you saw'.
Keep going with your Kosovo is Serbia' it only helps Serbs to move out. Or just maybe thats what you want as I do not have a clue what he is doing to help his people in the neighbouring countries.
Let me give you a hint 'Its good to talk, with broadband VOIP its free...
This will only be published if complies with b92's political views.
In light of today being Easter (though I shouldn't need an excuse), let me approach this differently from the ethnic angle.
First, it's a shame to see Serbs continue to leave central Kosovo, but I suspect it's more out of economic hardship than any overt harassment. I've got neighbors myself I'm not particularly fond of, and I can easily remember this one old lady with this demon of a dog living in my building when I was in Belgrade, whom everyone regarded as a nuisance (lady and dog). JOBS are the key here.
Second, in light of the story last week of that "successful" Kosovo village of Serb-Albanian co-existence near Gracanica, I find it hard to conclude that anti-Serb animosity is uniform among Albanians. If Serbs and Albanians can get along there (and I don't think it's a sprawling urban area), there's got to be something else going on in this village here.
Third, I can point to dozens of places in NJ where the demographics of a town/city have completely changed in less than two generations. The place my mother was born was once all Eastern Europeans. Now it's all Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, and those Slavs that remain are often considered living as prisoners in their own homes - yes, every location has its Kosovo.
Bottom line, if I were there, and I had these economic hardships, I'd be looking to relocate too. The blame falls on Belgrade first, and Pristina second, for failing to account for this.
Where on Earth could these poor Albanians be getting the money to buy real estate?
MB,Ireland
(Micheal Breathnach, 19 April 2009 15:47)
You always keep commenting about Kosovo problems as an expert."banks aren't landing..." By saying so, I got a clear idea that you Don't know anything about Kosova.
"Is it maybe possible that selling these houses in Kosovo has nothing to do with ethnicity but about economic situation witch in this case is similar to albanians and serbs"
You asked a good and genuine question but answer from the Serbian panel got to be political one based exclusively on "ethnic cleansing" against Serbs living in Kosova.
The King of Conspiracy theories wrote:
"Here could be an analogical situation: for some reason Albanians may crave for certain territory because somewhat important they are not keen to speak out. This "somewhat" could be embarrassing or silly or who-knows, but probably a "for insiders only" information.
Since this is obviously a problem, Serbs (the victims in this case) should try to figure out what is the deal. Maybe indeed just greed of an Albanian clan, maybe, say, a hillside considered holy. We do not know. "
Or....it could be that since Serbs don't participate in the local government, and since Kosova is poor they see a better future in their country, Serbia and Albanians are buying houses. Staying isolated doesn't help them, obviously. As for house values: they go up and down.
'Serbs and Albanians in Novo Naselje do not communicate, except to negotiate sales of Serb homes and land.'
There is a worldwide credit-crunch.
Banks aren't lending these days.
Where on Earth could these poor Albanians be getting the money to buy real estate?
The 'EU Elite' in Brussels love to hear this.
Serbs leaving Kosovo, at last.
Brussels promised Washington that it would do everything possible to effect this eviction but at the same time try to cloak it as a sort of 'fed up emigration'.
I wonder what the 'EU Elite' will do when KiM has been toally cleansed of Serbs and Roma. They won't be able to call it multi-ethnic anymore.
Oh,sorry. On second thoughts, They will. They can then say that the new 'KOSOVA'(sic) has Albanians, Bosniaks, Egyptians, Turks, Ashkali, ....
They have an answer for everything. God help them!
Let's count: in 1999 there where 140 families. 25 of the sold their property. Now there shoud be 115 serb families not 120. Stil a lot and stil much more than albanians.
Lately I was watching a TV programm about property sale in Florida, USA. Houses bought for more than $ 350.000 are beeing sold for only $ 50.000 to % 150.000. Is it maybe possible that selling these houses in Kosovo has nothing to do with ethnicity but about economic situation witch in this case is similar to albanians and serbs. They are all with no jobs. Serbs are in mutch larger numbers so I think it should be safe for them to work their land, but they expect to get mutch more in Srbija than in Kosovo, so they leave Kosovo and the Serbian government has a chance to use this for propaganda.
that´s the well known albanian way of "ethnic cleansing", I´d say.
but that´s what they are doing for decades now...
that is exactly what caused a serbian newspaper to call it "ethnic cleansing" in the eighties and in the same time created a new term for a very shameful technique of creating a "greater Albania".
the Serb government should offer more than the Albanians do to those who cannot stand further albanian terror, and prevent this.
There was a report of opposite nature recently in an other village. There is a difference and probably Serbs of both communities should communicate with each other, what is the problem.
Or maybe ask the "good" Albanians of the other community to help figure out, what is wrong with "bad" Albanians.
It could be somewhat everyone will be surprised to learn and having nothing to do with ethnic nature, rather some superstitions or somewhat "bad" Albanians are reluctant to speak about.
A little illustration.
Some maybe remember, I had very strong issue with Albanians in Prizren back in 1980. Not just that (at begin) they did not wanted to sell us food at the bus station (later sold for double price but learning that we are poor they did not lower the price, just doubled the portion!). The biggest insult (so did we think) was that they refused to provide us rooms in a hotel which looked to be sparsely booked.
Recently I learned, this is a custom(!!!). Regardless, what language you speak, no way the Albanians would allow the tourist to stay in... "hooker-house". They consider it very embarrassing and assume, it's not what a young couple is looking for. Unfortunately there are few "male-only" hotels here and there and only locals know, what it is about. They are still marked as "hotel". But no one will tell straight because it's not the pride of the city (mildly speaking).
Here could be an analogical situation: for some reason Albanians may crave for certain territory because somewhat important they are not keen to speak out. This "somewhat" could be embarrassing or silly or who-knows, but probably a "for insiders only" information.
Since this is obviously a problem, Serbs (the victims in this case) should try to figure out what is the deal. Maybe indeed just greed of an Albanian clan, maybe, say, a hillside considered holy. We do not know.
I can believe in 10 people out of 60 families being troublemakers, but all 60 Albanian households being troublemakers requires extensive imagination.
- Serbs from the village of Novo Naselje, near Lipljan in central Kosovo -
It’s a Serbian village in Kosovo so obviously it’s called Novo Naselje! If these Novi Naseljenici had told Belgrade to stay away from Kosovo things would have been much better for everyone. Serbia is the main obstacle in Kosovo’s road to prosperity and these villagers are paying the same price as tens of thousands of Albanians in Kosovo.
The silent ethnic cleansing campaign goes on. Its a pity that nobody gives a damn because they are Serbs. If it was Albanians, the Albanians in this place would be up in arms.
So much for the "multiethnic", "democratic" 'Kosova'.
and to think people here silently condone that behaviour.
The silent ethnic cleansing campaign goes on. Its a pity that nobody gives a damn because they are Serbs. If it was Albanians, the Albanians in this place would be up in arms.
So much for the "multiethnic", "democratic" 'Kosova'.
and to think people here silently condone that behaviour.
that´s the well known albanian way of "ethnic cleansing", I´d say.
but that´s what they are doing for decades now...
that is exactly what caused a serbian newspaper to call it "ethnic cleansing" in the eighties and in the same time created a new term for a very shameful technique of creating a "greater Albania".
the Serb government should offer more than the Albanians do to those who cannot stand further albanian terror, and prevent this.
The 'EU Elite' in Brussels love to hear this.
Serbs leaving Kosovo, at last.
Brussels promised Washington that it would do everything possible to effect this eviction but at the same time try to cloak it as a sort of 'fed up emigration'.
I wonder what the 'EU Elite' will do when KiM has been toally cleansed of Serbs and Roma. They won't be able to call it multi-ethnic anymore.
Oh,sorry. On second thoughts, They will. They can then say that the new 'KOSOVA'(sic) has Albanians, Bosniaks, Egyptians, Turks, Ashkali, ....
They have an answer for everything. God help them!
- Serbs from the village of Novo Naselje, near Lipljan in central Kosovo -
It’s a Serbian village in Kosovo so obviously it’s called Novo Naselje! If these Novi Naseljenici had told Belgrade to stay away from Kosovo things would have been much better for everyone. Serbia is the main obstacle in Kosovo’s road to prosperity and these villagers are paying the same price as tens of thousands of Albanians in Kosovo.
Let's count: in 1999 there where 140 families. 25 of the sold their property. Now there shoud be 115 serb families not 120. Stil a lot and stil much more than albanians.
Lately I was watching a TV programm about property sale in Florida, USA. Houses bought for more than $ 350.000 are beeing sold for only $ 50.000 to % 150.000. Is it maybe possible that selling these houses in Kosovo has nothing to do with ethnicity but about economic situation witch in this case is similar to albanians and serbs. They are all with no jobs. Serbs are in mutch larger numbers so I think it should be safe for them to work their land, but they expect to get mutch more in Srbija than in Kosovo, so they leave Kosovo and the Serbian government has a chance to use this for propaganda.
'Serbs and Albanians in Novo Naselje do not communicate, except to negotiate sales of Serb homes and land.'
There is a worldwide credit-crunch.
Banks aren't lending these days.
Where on Earth could these poor Albanians be getting the money to buy real estate?
There was a report of opposite nature recently in an other village. There is a difference and probably Serbs of both communities should communicate with each other, what is the problem.
Or maybe ask the "good" Albanians of the other community to help figure out, what is wrong with "bad" Albanians.
It could be somewhat everyone will be surprised to learn and having nothing to do with ethnic nature, rather some superstitions or somewhat "bad" Albanians are reluctant to speak about.
A little illustration.
Some maybe remember, I had very strong issue with Albanians in Prizren back in 1980. Not just that (at begin) they did not wanted to sell us food at the bus station (later sold for double price but learning that we are poor they did not lower the price, just doubled the portion!). The biggest insult (so did we think) was that they refused to provide us rooms in a hotel which looked to be sparsely booked.
Recently I learned, this is a custom(!!!). Regardless, what language you speak, no way the Albanians would allow the tourist to stay in... "hooker-house". They consider it very embarrassing and assume, it's not what a young couple is looking for. Unfortunately there are few "male-only" hotels here and there and only locals know, what it is about. They are still marked as "hotel". But no one will tell straight because it's not the pride of the city (mildly speaking).
Here could be an analogical situation: for some reason Albanians may crave for certain territory because somewhat important they are not keen to speak out. This "somewhat" could be embarrassing or silly or who-knows, but probably a "for insiders only" information.
Since this is obviously a problem, Serbs (the victims in this case) should try to figure out what is the deal. Maybe indeed just greed of an Albanian clan, maybe, say, a hillside considered holy. We do not know.
I can believe in 10 people out of 60 families being troublemakers, but all 60 Albanian households being troublemakers requires extensive imagination.
In light of today being Easter (though I shouldn't need an excuse), let me approach this differently from the ethnic angle.
First, it's a shame to see Serbs continue to leave central Kosovo, but I suspect it's more out of economic hardship than any overt harassment. I've got neighbors myself I'm not particularly fond of, and I can easily remember this one old lady with this demon of a dog living in my building when I was in Belgrade, whom everyone regarded as a nuisance (lady and dog). JOBS are the key here.
Second, in light of the story last week of that "successful" Kosovo village of Serb-Albanian co-existence near Gracanica, I find it hard to conclude that anti-Serb animosity is uniform among Albanians. If Serbs and Albanians can get along there (and I don't think it's a sprawling urban area), there's got to be something else going on in this village here.
Third, I can point to dozens of places in NJ where the demographics of a town/city have completely changed in less than two generations. The place my mother was born was once all Eastern Europeans. Now it's all Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, and those Slavs that remain are often considered living as prisoners in their own homes - yes, every location has its Kosovo.
Bottom line, if I were there, and I had these economic hardships, I'd be looking to relocate too. The blame falls on Belgrade first, and Pristina second, for failing to account for this.
Where on Earth could these poor Albanians be getting the money to buy real estate?
MB,Ireland
(Micheal Breathnach, 19 April 2009 15:47)
You always keep commenting about Kosovo problems as an expert."banks aren't landing..." By saying so, I got a clear idea that you Don't know anything about Kosova.
The ethnic cleansing is an indictment against NATO, UK, US and EU. The UDI is a reward for the success of Albanian ethnic cleansing that predates Milosevic.
You don't have to threaten Serbs to get rid of them - just threaten anyone who is willing to do business with them.
The UDI was born out of this form of racism and should not be allowed to sustain.
1244 calls for a properly negotiated solution. Serbia is no longer under Milosevic, so it is time to stop justifying Albanian separatism and racism (the root cause of the problems in the first place) and insist on a proper negotiation.
All this bickering and tongue lashing. Calm down. First of all this is a prime example of propaganda. The title misleads you to believe that Kosovar minority are leaving Kosova --- this isn't true, they are leaving Lipjan, they aren't leaving to Serbia.
Since when is selling and buying real estate "ethnic cleansing"? You serbs will do anything to play victim. Serbia last year spent millions of USD to buy Albanian property in Mahalla e Bonshjakve, and Zubin Potok.
I Work in Kosovo with Eulex and i can tell you that house prices are crazy expensive here but the most amazing thing is Albanians buy them Cash... Where do they get all this money?
There is no comparison with Kosovo and Florida. Either you are ignorant of the situation or forgot to read the entire article. If that were the case than Serbs would be buying the homes as well and not only Albanians.
Alban, you do not know what you are talking about because the serbs were not holding kosovo back, nor were they getting any benefits. Slovenia was getting richer and richer through tito's rule, and the albanians in kosovo had their own autonomy, and they mismanaged as they were incompetent. Furthermore, the albanian population growth rate which is insanely high puts big strain on the future generations.
Freek, it is 25 out of the 120 that are leaving, not 25 out of 140.
"Is it maybe possible that selling these houses in Kosovo has nothing to do with ethnicity but about economic situation witch in this case is similar to albanians and serbs"
You asked a good and genuine question but answer from the Serbian panel got to be political one based exclusively on "ethnic cleansing" against Serbs living in Kosova.
It's true that Serbian people have tough time finding a job, however, it's also true that they refuse to get integrated. They refuse the help (unless you give them cash money for nothing), they don't pay taxes, electricity, water, or anything. In order to move forward, they have to accept the reality and live like everybody else. It's been a long time since there was any ethnic violence or attack. My advice is INTEGRATE and don't listen to politicians from Serbia that come here to collect votes and do nothing for you.
The King of Conspiracy theories wrote:
(Alban, 19 April 2009 16:26)
Alban,
I should stand corrected. You are 100% right. This case is just simply a case of ethnic cleansing and by-product of Quetzalcoatl (human organ devouring Aztec snake-pigeon deity) cult. No conspiracy theory, only a bunch of Albanian bashi-bozuks threatening Serbs as they used to do since hundreds of years.
Biggest mistake Serbs ever made: allowing Arnauts from Caucasus to settle in the area and populate it at their cost.
No conspiracy theories anymore. Happy and satisfied now? ;)
All this bickering and tongue lashing. Calm down. First of all this is a prime example of propaganda. The title misleads you to believe that Kosovar minority are leaving Kosova --- this isn't true, they are leaving Lipjan, they aren't leaving to Serbia.
Since when is selling and buying real estate "ethnic cleansing"? You serbs will do anything to play victim. Serbia last year spent millions of USD to buy Albanian property in Mahalla e Bonshjakve, and Zubin Potok.
(L*O*G*I*C, 19 April 2009 21:48)
Well said L*O*G*I*C, I read all your comments especially when you bring facts on the table. This is one of them.
Cheers.
The King of Conspiracy theories wrote:
"Here could be an analogical situation: for some reason Albanians may crave for certain territory because somewhat important they are not keen to speak out. This "somewhat" could be embarrassing or silly or who-knows, but probably a "for insiders only" information.
Since this is obviously a problem, Serbs (the victims in this case) should try to figure out what is the deal. Maybe indeed just greed of an Albanian clan, maybe, say, a hillside considered holy. We do not know. "
Or....it could be that since Serbs don't participate in the local government, and since Kosova is poor they see a better future in their country, Serbia and Albanians are buying houses. Staying isolated doesn't help them, obviously. As for house values: they go up and down.
What do you expect?
People need to live and can't support themself with Jeremic propaganda!
All Belgrade is doing by not recognising Kosovo is creating fear and uncertanity for the Serb in Kosovo. The Serb in Kosovo can not get on with life because Belgarde will not let them.
You are telling them to not recognise the country, to not work for the Kosovo goverment, to not pay the bills, to not learn albanian, not to join the education and health system and etc.
How could someone live like that? Of course they will try to move out.
After all as any other human they need to make a life somehow.
Shame they will choose to make the life not in Kosovo when they born, but in Belgrade where no one will care for them.
Even now when they choose to abandon Kosovo still you want to score some political point from them.
There is no problem with the Albanians. If you can talk to an Albanian about selling the house i can't see why would you be afraid to work in the land.
"Ethnic cleasing" today in Kosovo is beeing sponcor by Belgrade smear campaign against Kosovo.
You can only complain to Mr Jeremic for this, as he is responsible in the eyes of the world for this.
It will sadly fall on the death ears in the west.
Mr Jeremic 'you reap what you saw'.
Keep going with your Kosovo is Serbia' it only helps Serbs to move out. Or just maybe thats what you want as I do not have a clue what he is doing to help his people in the neighbouring countries.
Let me give you a hint 'Its good to talk, with broadband VOIP its free...
This will only be published if complies with b92's political views.
Biggest mistake Serbs ever made: allowing Arnauts from Caucasus to settle in the area and populate it at their cost.
No conspiracy theories anymore. Happy and satisfied now? ;)
(Ataman, 19 April 2009 21:25)
Wow, this is truly the message of peace the region needs? So organ snatching (but not mass grave digging), is an Albanian thing....
Aztecs seem as a cradle of civilization when you read such comments.
I am yet to see a historical document of this "Arnaut" migration from caucasus in the "Serbian" land, as I can find plenty of documents about the slavic migration in the region.
So maybe the biggest mistake the Albanians did is that they allowed Serbs to settle in the Albanian land, and they did not use their power and mussle under Scanderbeg and the otoman empire to purify Kosovo.
Ataman, I thought that Arnaut was the name that the Turks used when referring to us!!
You could have used Arbanoi, Albanoi, Illyrian or other local names to “prove” us that history is a strong side of yours.
What we have here is the wrong interpretation of the history using wrong naming conversions.
Ataman, I believe that sarcasm more than history suits you more with your comments.
I believe Denis’s comment reflects what I was going to add (Albanians and Caucasus) however since Denis beat me to it (thanks mate) I’ll leave it with this.
Looking forward (hopping) to your sarcastic reply.
NOVO NASELJE is the latest victim of a systematic ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. The last Serb families are now preparing to leave the village of Devet Jugovica. Most other villages around central Kosovo have already been cleansed. As I said before, nothing happens in Kosovo by accident. Denying the people of these villages their basic human rights, is an effective method of social asphyxiation a process which has greatly accelerated in the last decade since Kosovo became a UN Protectorate. Only the chosen ones were protected, that is NATO,s allies.
I agree with Freek on this one!
I think there is a small technical erorr as well as numbers don't add up!
I would say that a lot of us,who live abroad left Kosova for a better life!I am not surprised that some of Kosovan Serbs are selling their houses for better life somewhere else!
Now Serbia will use this as a propaganda against Kosovan Albanians!
There is a Global crisis,it is not the best time to sell the properties!
I would like that Kosovan Serbs to stay in Kosova,I want them to understand that there are no jobs at the present nowhere in the World!
I would like them to be more optimistic and positive about their future,to accept Kosova as their home!!!
Since when is selling and buying real estate "ethnic cleansing"?
(L*O*G*I*C, 19 April 2009 21:48)
if you sell your home under pressure from the other ethnic group, for example. if it is true that albanians hoist albanian flags whenever they buy a house from a serbian family it is difficult to believe that there is no political motivation behind this.
I think you see this in everyday wife. Where a big kid bullies a smaller kid especially when his buddies are behind him to back him up. Then when the smaller kid grows up and can defend himself and the bigger kid no longer has his group behind him, then he starts to fear the former smaller child.
One main reason for Serbs leaving is it has not been safe for them to farm - they've been threatened, shot at, etc.
This very definitely is pressure to cause ethnic cleansing. It is more than the economy in this case because if the farmers could grow their own food and herd their own livestock, they'd meet a good part of their needs and have things to sell/barter.
This is what is REAL ethnic cleansing - the TEMPORARY leaving during the heat of the war is many times people sitting out the war. That is what happened after NATO started bombing. Further at least one KLA commander admitted that they told their Albanians to leave after NATO started bombing.
If there were real ethnic cleansing against Albanians, their population would have dropped after Milosevic came to power - but it was essentially stable.
The "Arnaut" message was special for one with "Alban" nick only in the spirit of "tease for tease". He got his share of tease, that's it.
I am well aware, precisely the "Arnaut" story is a "conspiracy theory" because the dispute is merely about "Illyrian" versus "Dacian" versus "Thracian" origin and there is no connection between Albanians today and the early medieval kingdom of Albania in Caucasus.
Again, it was a tease and for a particular person only.
Looking forward (hopping) to your sarcastic reply.
(blero, 20 April 2009 12:54)
Blero, that was for one Caucasian "Arnaut" out of seven-something million (ex)Illyrians / ex)Thracians /ex)Dacians.
If he is in better mood today, he can be "upgraded" to Illyrian/Thracian/Dacian state today. I kind of felt sorry for him yesterday at the end of the day
The USA and NATO have a large chunk of evidence that Kosovo is a racist, physically violent society against the Serbs. When The ethnic Albanian President of Kosovo and the ethnic Albanian Prime Minister of Kosovo claimed that" Kosovo is for everyone"; here is direct proof that Serbs are being driven out of their homes and farms from the terrorism of lack of jobs and from the terrorism of great physical danger; the USA and NATO have absolutely no business supporting the racist and terrorist government of ethnic Albanian controlled Koaovo. Why cannot the Kosovo government give some type of to the Serbs? Why cannot the Kosovo government at least try to protect the Serbs and Serbian homes, busineses, and farms? Because the ethnic Albanian Kosovo government will not even lift a finger to help the Serbs. USA/NATO, quit supporting a racist, anti minority, unfair Kosovo.
In my text message,number 37,besides mispelling Kosovo in sentence 3,the next sentence should read:"Why cannot the Kosovo government give some type of jobs to the Serbs?"
Let's count: in 1999 there where 140 families. 25 of the sold their property. Now there shoud be 115 serb families not 120. Stil a lot and stil much more than albanians.
Lately I was watching a TV programm about property sale in Florida, USA. Houses bought for more than $ 350.000 are beeing sold for only $ 50.000 to % 150.000. Is it maybe possible that selling these houses in Kosovo has nothing to do with ethnicity but about economic situation witch in this case is similar to albanians and serbs. They are all with no jobs. Serbs are in mutch larger numbers so I think it should be safe for them to work their land, but they expect to get mutch more in Srbija than in Kosovo, so they leave Kosovo and the Serbian government has a chance to use this for propaganda.
- Serbs from the village of Novo Naselje, near Lipljan in central Kosovo -
It’s a Serbian village in Kosovo so obviously it’s called Novo Naselje! If these Novi Naseljenici had told Belgrade to stay away from Kosovo things would have been much better for everyone. Serbia is the main obstacle in Kosovo’s road to prosperity and these villagers are paying the same price as tens of thousands of Albanians in Kosovo.
that´s the well known albanian way of "ethnic cleansing", I´d say.
but that´s what they are doing for decades now...
that is exactly what caused a serbian newspaper to call it "ethnic cleansing" in the eighties and in the same time created a new term for a very shameful technique of creating a "greater Albania".
the Serb government should offer more than the Albanians do to those who cannot stand further albanian terror, and prevent this.
The silent ethnic cleansing campaign goes on. Its a pity that nobody gives a damn because they are Serbs. If it was Albanians, the Albanians in this place would be up in arms.
So much for the "multiethnic", "democratic" 'Kosova'.
and to think people here silently condone that behaviour.
The 'EU Elite' in Brussels love to hear this.
Serbs leaving Kosovo, at last.
Brussels promised Washington that it would do everything possible to effect this eviction but at the same time try to cloak it as a sort of 'fed up emigration'.
I wonder what the 'EU Elite' will do when KiM has been toally cleansed of Serbs and Roma. They won't be able to call it multi-ethnic anymore.
Oh,sorry. On second thoughts, They will. They can then say that the new 'KOSOVA'(sic) has Albanians, Bosniaks, Egyptians, Turks, Ashkali, ....
They have an answer for everything. God help them!
Where on Earth could these poor Albanians be getting the money to buy real estate?
MB,Ireland
(Micheal Breathnach, 19 April 2009 15:47)
You always keep commenting about Kosovo problems as an expert."banks aren't landing..." By saying so, I got a clear idea that you Don't know anything about Kosova.
'Serbs and Albanians in Novo Naselje do not communicate, except to negotiate sales of Serb homes and land.'
There is a worldwide credit-crunch.
Banks aren't lending these days.
Where on Earth could these poor Albanians be getting the money to buy real estate?
"Is it maybe possible that selling these houses in Kosovo has nothing to do with ethnicity but about economic situation witch in this case is similar to albanians and serbs"
You asked a good and genuine question but answer from the Serbian panel got to be political one based exclusively on "ethnic cleansing" against Serbs living in Kosova.
The King of Conspiracy theories wrote:
"Here could be an analogical situation: for some reason Albanians may crave for certain territory because somewhat important they are not keen to speak out. This "somewhat" could be embarrassing or silly or who-knows, but probably a "for insiders only" information.
Since this is obviously a problem, Serbs (the victims in this case) should try to figure out what is the deal. Maybe indeed just greed of an Albanian clan, maybe, say, a hillside considered holy. We do not know. "
Or....it could be that since Serbs don't participate in the local government, and since Kosova is poor they see a better future in their country, Serbia and Albanians are buying houses. Staying isolated doesn't help them, obviously. As for house values: they go up and down.
There was a report of opposite nature recently in an other village. There is a difference and probably Serbs of both communities should communicate with each other, what is the problem.
Or maybe ask the "good" Albanians of the other community to help figure out, what is wrong with "bad" Albanians.
It could be somewhat everyone will be surprised to learn and having nothing to do with ethnic nature, rather some superstitions or somewhat "bad" Albanians are reluctant to speak about.
A little illustration.
Some maybe remember, I had very strong issue with Albanians in Prizren back in 1980. Not just that (at begin) they did not wanted to sell us food at the bus station (later sold for double price but learning that we are poor they did not lower the price, just doubled the portion!). The biggest insult (so did we think) was that they refused to provide us rooms in a hotel which looked to be sparsely booked.
Recently I learned, this is a custom(!!!). Regardless, what language you speak, no way the Albanians would allow the tourist to stay in... "hooker-house". They consider it very embarrassing and assume, it's not what a young couple is looking for. Unfortunately there are few "male-only" hotels here and there and only locals know, what it is about. They are still marked as "hotel". But no one will tell straight because it's not the pride of the city (mildly speaking).
Here could be an analogical situation: for some reason Albanians may crave for certain territory because somewhat important they are not keen to speak out. This "somewhat" could be embarrassing or silly or who-knows, but probably a "for insiders only" information.
Since this is obviously a problem, Serbs (the victims in this case) should try to figure out what is the deal. Maybe indeed just greed of an Albanian clan, maybe, say, a hillside considered holy. We do not know.
I can believe in 10 people out of 60 families being troublemakers, but all 60 Albanian households being troublemakers requires extensive imagination.
You can only complain to Mr Jeremic for this, as he is responsible in the eyes of the world for this.
It will sadly fall on the death ears in the west.
Mr Jeremic 'you reap what you saw'.
Keep going with your Kosovo is Serbia' it only helps Serbs to move out. Or just maybe thats what you want as I do not have a clue what he is doing to help his people in the neighbouring countries.
Let me give you a hint 'Its good to talk, with broadband VOIP its free...
This will only be published if complies with b92's political views.
Alban, you do not know what you are talking about because the serbs were not holding kosovo back, nor were they getting any benefits. Slovenia was getting richer and richer through tito's rule, and the albanians in kosovo had their own autonomy, and they mismanaged as they were incompetent. Furthermore, the albanian population growth rate which is insanely high puts big strain on the future generations.
Freek, it is 25 out of the 120 that are leaving, not 25 out of 140.
There is no comparison with Kosovo and Florida. Either you are ignorant of the situation or forgot to read the entire article. If that were the case than Serbs would be buying the homes as well and not only Albanians.
The ethnic cleansing is an indictment against NATO, UK, US and EU. The UDI is a reward for the success of Albanian ethnic cleansing that predates Milosevic.
You don't have to threaten Serbs to get rid of them - just threaten anyone who is willing to do business with them.
The UDI was born out of this form of racism and should not be allowed to sustain.
1244 calls for a properly negotiated solution. Serbia is no longer under Milosevic, so it is time to stop justifying Albanian separatism and racism (the root cause of the problems in the first place) and insist on a proper negotiation.
The King of Conspiracy theories wrote:
(Alban, 19 April 2009 16:26)
Alban,
I should stand corrected. You are 100% right. This case is just simply a case of ethnic cleansing and by-product of Quetzalcoatl (human organ devouring Aztec snake-pigeon deity) cult. No conspiracy theory, only a bunch of Albanian bashi-bozuks threatening Serbs as they used to do since hundreds of years.
Biggest mistake Serbs ever made: allowing Arnauts from Caucasus to settle in the area and populate it at their cost.
No conspiracy theories anymore. Happy and satisfied now? ;)
What do you expect?
People need to live and can't support themself with Jeremic propaganda!
All Belgrade is doing by not recognising Kosovo is creating fear and uncertanity for the Serb in Kosovo. The Serb in Kosovo can not get on with life because Belgarde will not let them.
You are telling them to not recognise the country, to not work for the Kosovo goverment, to not pay the bills, to not learn albanian, not to join the education and health system and etc.
How could someone live like that? Of course they will try to move out.
After all as any other human they need to make a life somehow.
Shame they will choose to make the life not in Kosovo when they born, but in Belgrade where no one will care for them.
Even now when they choose to abandon Kosovo still you want to score some political point from them.
There is no problem with the Albanians. If you can talk to an Albanian about selling the house i can't see why would you be afraid to work in the land.
"Ethnic cleasing" today in Kosovo is beeing sponcor by Belgrade smear campaign against Kosovo.
It's true that Serbian people have tough time finding a job, however, it's also true that they refuse to get integrated. They refuse the help (unless you give them cash money for nothing), they don't pay taxes, electricity, water, or anything. In order to move forward, they have to accept the reality and live like everybody else. It's been a long time since there was any ethnic violence or attack. My advice is INTEGRATE and don't listen to politicians from Serbia that come here to collect votes and do nothing for you.
All this bickering and tongue lashing. Calm down. First of all this is a prime example of propaganda. The title misleads you to believe that Kosovar minority are leaving Kosova --- this isn't true, they are leaving Lipjan, they aren't leaving to Serbia.
Since when is selling and buying real estate "ethnic cleansing"? You serbs will do anything to play victim. Serbia last year spent millions of USD to buy Albanian property in Mahalla e Bonshjakve, and Zubin Potok.
I agree with Freek on this one!
I think there is a small technical erorr as well as numbers don't add up!
I would say that a lot of us,who live abroad left Kosova for a better life!I am not surprised that some of Kosovan Serbs are selling their houses for better life somewhere else!
Now Serbia will use this as a propaganda against Kosovan Albanians!
There is a Global crisis,it is not the best time to sell the properties!
I would like that Kosovan Serbs to stay in Kosova,I want them to understand that there are no jobs at the present nowhere in the World!
I would like them to be more optimistic and positive about their future,to accept Kosova as their home!!!
All this bickering and tongue lashing. Calm down. First of all this is a prime example of propaganda. The title misleads you to believe that Kosovar minority are leaving Kosova --- this isn't true, they are leaving Lipjan, they aren't leaving to Serbia.
Since when is selling and buying real estate "ethnic cleansing"? You serbs will do anything to play victim. Serbia last year spent millions of USD to buy Albanian property in Mahalla e Bonshjakve, and Zubin Potok.
(L*O*G*I*C, 19 April 2009 21:48)
Well said L*O*G*I*C, I read all your comments especially when you bring facts on the table. This is one of them.
Cheers.
Ataman, I thought that Arnaut was the name that the Turks used when referring to us!!
You could have used Arbanoi, Albanoi, Illyrian or other local names to “prove” us that history is a strong side of yours.
What we have here is the wrong interpretation of the history using wrong naming conversions.
Ataman, I believe that sarcasm more than history suits you more with your comments.
I believe Denis’s comment reflects what I was going to add (Albanians and Caucasus) however since Denis beat me to it (thanks mate) I’ll leave it with this.
Looking forward (hopping) to your sarcastic reply.
Biggest mistake Serbs ever made: allowing Arnauts from Caucasus to settle in the area and populate it at their cost.
No conspiracy theories anymore. Happy and satisfied now? ;)
(Ataman, 19 April 2009 21:25)
Wow, this is truly the message of peace the region needs? So organ snatching (but not mass grave digging), is an Albanian thing....
Aztecs seem as a cradle of civilization when you read such comments.
I am yet to see a historical document of this "Arnaut" migration from caucasus in the "Serbian" land, as I can find plenty of documents about the slavic migration in the region.
So maybe the biggest mistake the Albanians did is that they allowed Serbs to settle in the Albanian land, and they did not use their power and mussle under Scanderbeg and the otoman empire to purify Kosovo.
I Work in Kosovo with Eulex and i can tell you that house prices are crazy expensive here but the most amazing thing is Albanians buy them Cash... Where do they get all this money?
In light of today being Easter (though I shouldn't need an excuse), let me approach this differently from the ethnic angle.
First, it's a shame to see Serbs continue to leave central Kosovo, but I suspect it's more out of economic hardship than any overt harassment. I've got neighbors myself I'm not particularly fond of, and I can easily remember this one old lady with this demon of a dog living in my building when I was in Belgrade, whom everyone regarded as a nuisance (lady and dog). JOBS are the key here.
Second, in light of the story last week of that "successful" Kosovo village of Serb-Albanian co-existence near Gracanica, I find it hard to conclude that anti-Serb animosity is uniform among Albanians. If Serbs and Albanians can get along there (and I don't think it's a sprawling urban area), there's got to be something else going on in this village here.
Third, I can point to dozens of places in NJ where the demographics of a town/city have completely changed in less than two generations. The place my mother was born was once all Eastern Europeans. Now it's all Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, and those Slavs that remain are often considered living as prisoners in their own homes - yes, every location has its Kosovo.
Bottom line, if I were there, and I had these economic hardships, I'd be looking to relocate too. The blame falls on Belgrade first, and Pristina second, for failing to account for this.
Since when is selling and buying real estate "ethnic cleansing"?
(L*O*G*I*C, 19 April 2009 21:48)
if you sell your home under pressure from the other ethnic group, for example. if it is true that albanians hoist albanian flags whenever they buy a house from a serbian family it is difficult to believe that there is no political motivation behind this.
One main reason for Serbs leaving is it has not been safe for them to farm - they've been threatened, shot at, etc.
This very definitely is pressure to cause ethnic cleansing. It is more than the economy in this case because if the farmers could grow their own food and herd their own livestock, they'd meet a good part of their needs and have things to sell/barter.
This is what is REAL ethnic cleansing - the TEMPORARY leaving during the heat of the war is many times people sitting out the war. That is what happened after NATO started bombing. Further at least one KLA commander admitted that they told their Albanians to leave after NATO started bombing.
If there were real ethnic cleansing against Albanians, their population would have dropped after Milosevic came to power - but it was essentially stable.
I think you see this in everyday wife. Where a big kid bullies a smaller kid especially when his buddies are behind him to back him up. Then when the smaller kid grows up and can defend himself and the bigger kid no longer has his group behind him, then he starts to fear the former smaller child.
Looking forward (hopping) to your sarcastic reply.
(blero, 20 April 2009 12:54)
Blero, that was for one Caucasian "Arnaut" out of seven-something million (ex)Illyrians / ex)Thracians /ex)Dacians.
If he is in better mood today, he can be "upgraded" to Illyrian/Thracian/Dacian state today. I kind of felt sorry for him yesterday at the end of the day
NOVO NASELJE is the latest victim of a systematic ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. The last Serb families are now preparing to leave the village of Devet Jugovica. Most other villages around central Kosovo have already been cleansed. As I said before, nothing happens in Kosovo by accident. Denying the people of these villages their basic human rights, is an effective method of social asphyxiation a process which has greatly accelerated in the last decade since Kosovo became a UN Protectorate. Only the chosen ones were protected, that is NATO,s allies.
The "Arnaut" message was special for one with "Alban" nick only in the spirit of "tease for tease". He got his share of tease, that's it.
I am well aware, precisely the "Arnaut" story is a "conspiracy theory" because the dispute is merely about "Illyrian" versus "Dacian" versus "Thracian" origin and there is no connection between Albanians today and the early medieval kingdom of Albania in Caucasus.
Again, it was a tease and for a particular person only.
The USA and NATO have a large chunk of evidence that Kosovo is a racist, physically violent society against the Serbs. When The ethnic Albanian President of Kosovo and the ethnic Albanian Prime Minister of Kosovo claimed that" Kosovo is for everyone"; here is direct proof that Serbs are being driven out of their homes and farms from the terrorism of lack of jobs and from the terrorism of great physical danger; the USA and NATO have absolutely no business supporting the racist and terrorist government of ethnic Albanian controlled Koaovo. Why cannot the Kosovo government give some type of to the Serbs? Why cannot the Kosovo government at least try to protect the Serbs and Serbian homes, busineses, and farms? Because the ethnic Albanian Kosovo government will not even lift a finger to help the Serbs. USA/NATO, quit supporting a racist, anti minority, unfair Kosovo.
In my text message,number 37,besides mispelling Kosovo in sentence 3,the next sentence should read:"Why cannot the Kosovo government give some type of jobs to the Serbs?"
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