Jeremić: Process of century at ICJ

'Jeremić revealed that more than 30 countries will take part in the process, with "some of the most influential", such as China, Russia, Brazil, Spain, supporting Serbia.'

I would like to thank all the countries that have stood up for Serbia and international law. Jeremic is right to point out that this a big issue of our time, and is about the preservation of international law.

Please notice that on one side are the colonialists, imperialists, and their lap dogs, supporting the antiquated 'might is right' doctrine.

On the other side are the free and independent thinking nations of the world, and the ones that are upholding justice and international law.

Justice will win over force this time. The times, they are a changin'....
Cheers!!

Well done Mr. Jeremic. Hopefully the court will rule in an unbiased fashion. I only worry that the big Western factions are doing everything they can to influence the results, including intense pressure. At any rate, this is a good move on Serbia's part.

"Self-determination will be measured against the right to preserve the territorial integrity and sovereignty of an internationally recognized and sovereign state," said the minister.

Of course Mr. Jeremic, in this simplicistic formulation, conveniently forgets HOW it came to the actuation of self-determination by the Kosovars.

To a Martian who landed on Earth yesterday such argumentation maybe would sound reasonable.

Jeremic also, as an illuminated leader of the 21 century doesn't seem to understand that “in a peace-loving, democratic country” sovereignity and self’determination are complementary and not opposed to each other, since sovereignity, which is hold by all members of a comunity/society is the result of self-determination of its overwhelming majority (God forbid if it weren’t!).

However, let me add, it's the first time that a genocide case will be put forward to an international tribunal, and the state responsible for it will have to face its responsibility.

Here the ICJ can really set a precedent!

Forget about China, cause they are staying neutral on thsi one. They did not submit any opinion to ICJ.I don't know where Mr. Jeremic got that number of 30 countries. Its only 5-6 countries tha have submited opinions in favour of Serbia. Anyway, by next week we will know exactly who submited opinions on this issue and in favour of which country. Let see the official version Mr. FM Jeremic.

"Ours is a peace-loving, democratic country, and we have every right to use legal, peaceful and democratic means to fight for our sovereignty," Jeremić concluded.
If you are as you stated in your comment such a democratic country then you should accept the facts that 2milion people dont want to live under serbia and that is it accept the reality and get on with your lives try to built your economy and let the others to live peacefully in their own country because you dont own it, it was never yours and is never going to be yours anymore.

I don't think that 'Greater Germany' realised the hole it was digging itself into, when it initiated all the trouble in the Balkans two decades ago.

Ironically, we would see ourselves going back to sometime before the Treaty of Westphalia in International Law, if the ICJ were to rule against Serbia and the UN Majority.

MB,Ireland

The day after ICJ delivers its opinion,B92 will quote the serb politician saying that the opinion was biased and came under pressure from the west.

Dragan wrote:
"On the other side are the free and independent thinking nations of the world, and the ones that are upholding justice and international law. "

Yea...Libya, Iran, Venezuela, Egypt, North Korea, Algeria...in other words the beacons of democracy are on Serbia's side. I couldn't agree more Dragan. You are absolutely correct. With supporters like that, Serbia surely is guaranteed an overwhelming victory over the evil imperialists like France, Germany, USA, Japan, The Netherlands, the nordic countries, and other Axis of Evil states like them.

Jeremic is building this up as the process of the century?

LOL.

First off, the court has no power. None. It only gives an opinion.

Secondly, I didn't know the court's decision was already made and Jeremic could be this euphoric.

Thirdly, the ICJ will not, I repeat, will not vote in Serbia's favour. Neither in Kosovo's favour. In fact it will most likely give a two-part opinion.

In other words, nothing will change; only Jeremic's falsely triumphant rhetoric will come crashing down from building this up as the process of the century. LOL.

The West always gets its way my friends :)

...... then you should accept the facts that 2milion people dont want to live under serbia and that is it accept the reality and get on with your lives try to built your economy and let the others to live peacefully in their own country because you dont own it, it was never yours and is never going to be yours anymore.
(Ajsel, 18 April 2009 16:07)

Why spew forth such "non-facts"??? Kosovo has ALWAYS been Serbian- populated with a majority of Serbs until the last 50 years when Tito opened the Albanian Kosovo borders.(So STOP with the lies that Serbs have never owned Kosovo!) Yes...you may have almost 2 million K-Albs NOW- but HOW did that occur??? (How about the FACT of your Serbian "ethnic cleansing!!!) And you are fortunate to have your own country- ALBANIA....not like the millions of Kurds in Turkey and Iraq!!! So why take away from others when you have your own??? And yes...the Serbs and Albanians lived together in relative peace and respect for each other UNTIL your criminal leadership sought to destroy that peace. Open your ears when Serbia is telling you that you will have "more than autonomy" in your daily lives- what more do you want??? And do you want to live forever in a "zombie state" just for the sake to think that you are "independent"??? Wake up K-Albs and stop with all the lies and half-truths that you continually perpetuate. REALISTICALLY, you will NEVER be part of a normal country by yourself- and the international (West) community will only support you for so long. Probudi se!!!

The last poster is misinformed. Member countries of the UN have until July 17 to submit their opinions. There was no mention of the usa submitting an opinion yet. Since they have been ignoring international law lately, there are probably no experts in the usa. The ICJ is being more than fair - I read they accepted some scribble from mr. wood for the k-albos. This tells you something about their fake "government" - they need a lot of international help on this case.

america is getting scared; there are tax protests all over the country - I am going to one of them tonight. The governor of Texas floated the idea of a Texan UDI. obama will stay away from this case and let hillary take the flak. I wonder if Texas will send an opinion in favor of the UDI. Since the usa has been destabilizing countries all over the world, it is only fair that the usa crumbles too.

If I were Jeremic I would not be so optimistic about the court where the West have almost guaranteed 50% of voices ( UK + France + Mexico + Japan + US + Germany ) with Sierra Leone and New Zeeland under question. All we really have there are the voices of Russia + Slovakia + China + Madagascar + Venezuella.

Sure there’s no comparison with the Serbophobe Tribunal where being a Serb is already a crime. Sure we can use this tribune to slow or even stop the recognition. But to be realistic for the time being I can’t see how we can switch the reverse mode. If only we have the majority … Well then we’ll need another court to imprison the Barbarians to write “Happy Easter” on their missiles and to bomb bridges hundreds kilometers away from Kosovo.

I am yet to see a logical answer from Serbia, on how do they plan to govern and live in peace with 2 million albanians who essentially all of them not simply do not want to be ruled by Serbia, but the anti-serbian theme is the very core of their existence.

I mean their songs, their moral, their mythology, their tales and myths, even their dreams and aspirations as a people - everything is perceived as a struggle against Serbia. 99% of them have voted over and over to break away from Serbia, they have decades that do not obey to any Serbian institutions, they even pay a pension to those fighters who fought Serbian army 10 years ago. Maybe they have some fault of their own but I have not seen any serious efforts from Serbia to make them feel at home, or integrate them in Serbian state. From my personal experience the very mention of the Serbian state authority irritates every albanian to the point of insanity.

How can someone in the right mind pretend that peace and prosperity can be achieved this way? How does Serbia plan to reconcile these major differences, especially when continues to present Kosovo as a sacred place for Serbs, thus implying Albanians there are invaders, they do not belong there, by portraying them as terrorists, as criminals, as a people who deserved the response of 1999.

10,000 albanians lost their lives in 1999, mass graves with albanian bodies were found all the way to Belgrade, and yet there are serbs that still claim, there was no murder, and the army did nothing wrong, it was the NATO bombing although 100% of Albanian refugees say it was the Serbian army.

I really want to see an answer from Serbia, how do they guarantee to the world that there will be no more Milosevics in the future, how can an Albanian trust the future of their kids to a state with such precedents, where a major % of the state apparatus is/was trialed for war crimes.

I think with this strategy Serbia has no chance to win the ICJ opinion. In the end, one must not forget that the international law is not a suicidal pact.

"The ruling will certainly have the nature of setting a precedent and I am absolutely convinced that the court will rule in line with international law."

Jeremic,

The Court will look into everything that IT CONSIDERS FIT. I know that you would like to tighten the Court's hands in expressing its OPNION. The Court can come to the conlusion that Kosova(0) is a SUI GENERIS case. I have a GOOD REASON to believe in that. Tell me one case NATO had to intervene to stop the ethnic cleansing committed by an "international recognised state". You will say "it wasn't an ethnic cleansing", "NATO agression" etc etc. You can say whatever you like but you CAN NOT STOP the Court to look into everything and make its own OPINION. At the end of the day the Court will be looking how truthful are your statements.

Today when we are busy with the Great Easter you may write whatever you like. I forgive you all !

The God is on our side ! 2000 we have the Holy Fire only for Orthodox Easter though every year the date is different ! Not for the Catholics , Babtists Iegova or other Adventists ! Not for Jewish Easter ! The fire comes only when a Greek is praying for the whole world ! Thank you Greece !

Congratulations for all ! Please leave alone all your arguments for at least one day ! Formally this is a Serbian site and let's respect them now that they are busy with prayer.

Thank you and good luck for all of you !

Honestly, I consider this "all-or-nothing", "we-or-them" approach not to be very professional. It is giving the whole case a civil law character about a material ownership. I think Serbias chances could be much better if they had decided to take a noticeable distance from the policy of excluding Albanians since you can not completetely ignore the people living there.

"Jeremić: Process of century at ICJ"

For some advice?

thanks for making my day.

Kosovo is lost. Jeremic is performing a ritual dance to keep the radicals quiet and to hide that they are underperforming in the EU integration process.

Tell me one case NATO had to intervene to stop the ethnic cleansing committed by an "international recognised state".
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EA, you have your wires crossed. No one ever alleged Serbia was ethnically cleansing Albanians until after NATO started dropping bombs so your argument is flawed.

You should remember that Albanians were all firmly in Kosovo and only started to flee AFTER the bombs started dropping. In other words, NATOs intervention was the cause of the mass exodus, not only of Albanians but also Serbians. Courts tend to deal with facts and not someone's imagination.

Anyway, back to the ICJ case. I would really like to see India on the list supporting Serbia. With Russia, China, Brazil, Spain and India, we have some major players and regional leaders on our side representing well over half the world's population.

FM Jeremic, please do not play with your people. Many of them believe in what you are saying, even if you do not.

I do not understand the run for supporter states: the ICJ is an independent court and the opinion of a member state does not ultimately reflect the opinion of the deciding judges.

I seriously doubt the importance of the court decision for two reasons:
1. the decision is not binding (even though PM Tadic has proclaimed he will accept whatever decision comes out)
2. the decision will most likely be divided and not clear. It will give chance for both parties go gain a victory, but the value of this victory is questionable.

That the court decision is minor in its importance shows also the high number of states who did neither vote for nor against the launching of the process.

Anyway, happy Easter to all orthodox believers!

JohnBoy,
There is actually a difference between Texas and Kosovo. Texas _do_ have a legal right to seccede, or at least to declare as much autonomy as they want to have. That's stipulated by, at least, the Tenth Amendment. Kosovo on the other hand has _no_ law to lean against in their decision to unilaterally call for independence. They only got a go-ahead from the U.S. and the U.S. have no legal right to make such promises to random provinces on the other side of the globe. We don't live in a unipolar world anymore, those days are over.

process of the century?No sir,only
the last (and minor,compared to the world's problems) process of last century,when so many people decided to become free and independant !

Last role of the dice for Serbia!
It is understandable that Jeremic will want to add emotions and play with people feelings.
He wont to get as much as attention possible in order to claim victory or injustice depending on the court saying.
Again people in Serbia are getting misslead as they always have been for years.
No one beleive that an ADVISORY verdict somehow would return the indepedence or start new "negotions"..
Jeremic need to tell his people the truth. How about starting and tell his people that his request to IJC was to express an OPINION not to cancel the indepedence!
He knows better than anyone in Serbia IJC works and what they do.

>>Ours is a peace-loving, democratic country, and we have every right to use legal, peaceful and democratic means to fight for our sovereignty," Jeremić concluded.

Maybe he thinks if he keeps repeating this mantra about being "peace-loving and democratic" then somehow, magically it will become true. it ain't.

as for the "trial of the century" -- i thought that was the gloria vanderbildt case -- or was it the OJ trial?

wait a minute, which century are we referring to? if it's the 21st century, i have a feeling "trial of the century" is just a tad premature.

if he means the last century, it certainly COULD become a significant decision if the court rules in favor of independence and delineates the overriding factors. i doubt this will transpire, but we shall see.

roberto/ frisco

"accept the reality and get on with your lives try to built your economy and let the others to live peacefully in their own country because you dont own it, it was never yours and is never going to be yours anymore.
(Ajsel, 18 April 2009 16:07) "


Ajsel, do you really believe what you are writing?
but stating that Kosovo was never serbian... is simply absurd... given that it factually never was albanian.

so, you should really try to get your facts straight, my dear.

@Arthur:
international law is no suicidal pact, no...

but living in the illusion to have a "newborn" state, when so many signs indicate something else - that´s indeed suicidal.

as for the two million K-albanians who do not wish to live in Serbia...

just wait a little, and we will see what happens when most of them realize that they are being duped.

only the socalled hard-boiled nationalist Albanians will still be ignoring reality then.



but I can only hope that you, Arthur, are not one of those hard-boiled dreamers...

RE: ICJ

Advisory or not, the opinion rendered will reveal if this body is truly a legal international court, or just a lap dog for US and UK International Policy.

The advisory opinion sent by the United States should be thrown out as she is not signatory to the ICJ for fear of US citizens being tried for war crimes outside of the US.

Further, this court is rendering a decision on the principles of sovereinty not KLA terrorism or false accusations of "genocide" propogated by Albanian extremists.

The adivisory opinion will tilt UN opinion one way or another. The courts decision will determine if Kosovo becomes truly independant or just a EU protectorate in limbo.

An unclear decision is to the benefit to the Serbian government and continued status quo and the unofficial partition of Kosovo between Serbian and Albanian enclaves.

A positive opinion for the Albanians will open a Pandora's Box in Europe and Asia igniting conflicts in places like Azerbaijan and Georgia where autonomous regions have been declared.

but I can only hope that you, Arthur, are not one of those hard-boiled dreamers...
(Jovan, 19 April 2009 14:47)

Jovan, not everyone who has a different opinion from you is an albanian extremist, or a criminal or whatever names you give them. I think is time for many serbs to move away from this idea of demonizing their adversary, cause none will think you are serious when you want to live with them afterwords.

I had a few questions and you answered none. It is your right. But I am sure these kind of discussion will be a focal point of the arguments before the ICJ.

Serbia is quick to point to international law as an end in itself, with a pure disregard of the reality, and no guarantees and changes for the future. Following this logic, there might be other 1999s for Albanians, but who cares, international law will always support Serbia's right over Kosovo, no matter how many deaths, how much distruction....

But, speaking of int'l law: how come Serbia consistently claims coverage by int'l law over its Kosovo sovreginity claim, when this same law was repeatedly violated through the commission of war crimes? What part of int'l law sanctions this kind of behavior?

Konstantin,

"Advisory or not, the opinion rendered will reveal if this body is truly a legal international court, or just a lap dog for US and UK International Policy."

It was Serbia who has applied to ICJ for an Opinion. When Court courts speak everyone else should SHUT UP!

I know for certain that Serbian has no intention in following the Court's opinion. The only purpose for applying to Court was purely delaying further Kosova's international recognitions.

(Arthur, 19 April 2009 08:24)
Arthur, I haven't red for long time such a well articulated comment.

The simple answer to your very rational questions is that Serbia never did and never will care to answer to the questions that you pose.

This is the sad reality.

This is the reason of the conflict.

"because you dont own it, it was never yours and is never going to be yours anymore. "
(Ajsel, 18 April 2009 16:07)

Make up you mind please. You are saying that it was never Serbia's and will never be Serbia's AGAIN! Are you admiting that it was Serbia's territry by will be not be again?

The Big question: How will the Albanians in Kosovo react when they find out that Kosovo will remain within Serbia's borders? My guess is that the U.N. will have to intervene and keep things at bay. Oh well, Thaci can always go back to Al Qaeda and the boys or work on his drug smuggling full time now.

Three words for you Mr. Jeremic: Stop the hyperbole!

"Self-determination will be measured against the right to preserve the territorial integrity and sovereignty of an internationally recognized and sovereign state," said the minister.

Of course Mr. Jeremic, in this simplicistic formulation, conveniently forgets HOW it came to the actuation of self-determination by the Kosovars.

To a Martian who landed on Earth yesterday such argumentation maybe would sound reasonable.

Jeremic also, as an illuminated leader of the 21 century doesn't seem to understand that “in a peace-loving, democratic country” sovereignity and self’determination are complementary and not opposed to each other, since sovereignity, which is hold by all members of a comunity/society is the result of self-determination of its overwhelming majority (God forbid if it weren’t!).

However, let me add, it's the first time that a genocide case will be put forward to an international tribunal, and the state responsible for it will have to face its responsibility.

Here the ICJ can really set a precedent!

'Jeremić revealed that more than 30 countries will take part in the process, with "some of the most influential", such as China, Russia, Brazil, Spain, supporting Serbia.'

I would like to thank all the countries that have stood up for Serbia and international law. Jeremic is right to point out that this a big issue of our time, and is about the preservation of international law.

Please notice that on one side are the colonialists, imperialists, and their lap dogs, supporting the antiquated 'might is right' doctrine.

On the other side are the free and independent thinking nations of the world, and the ones that are upholding justice and international law.

Justice will win over force this time. The times, they are a changin'....
Cheers!!

"Ours is a peace-loving, democratic country, and we have every right to use legal, peaceful and democratic means to fight for our sovereignty," Jeremić concluded.
If you are as you stated in your comment such a democratic country then you should accept the facts that 2milion people dont want to live under serbia and that is it accept the reality and get on with your lives try to built your economy and let the others to live peacefully in their own country because you dont own it, it was never yours and is never going to be yours anymore.

Honestly, I consider this "all-or-nothing", "we-or-them" approach not to be very professional. It is giving the whole case a civil law character about a material ownership. I think Serbias chances could be much better if they had decided to take a noticeable distance from the policy of excluding Albanians since you can not completetely ignore the people living there.

Well done Mr. Jeremic. Hopefully the court will rule in an unbiased fashion. I only worry that the big Western factions are doing everything they can to influence the results, including intense pressure. At any rate, this is a good move on Serbia's part.

Forget about China, cause they are staying neutral on thsi one. They did not submit any opinion to ICJ.I don't know where Mr. Jeremic got that number of 30 countries. Its only 5-6 countries tha have submited opinions in favour of Serbia. Anyway, by next week we will know exactly who submited opinions on this issue and in favour of which country. Let see the official version Mr. FM Jeremic.

I don't think that 'Greater Germany' realised the hole it was digging itself into, when it initiated all the trouble in the Balkans two decades ago.

Ironically, we would see ourselves going back to sometime before the Treaty of Westphalia in International Law, if the ICJ were to rule against Serbia and the UN Majority.

MB,Ireland

...... then you should accept the facts that 2milion people dont want to live under serbia and that is it accept the reality and get on with your lives try to built your economy and let the others to live peacefully in their own country because you dont own it, it was never yours and is never going to be yours anymore.
(Ajsel, 18 April 2009 16:07)

Why spew forth such "non-facts"??? Kosovo has ALWAYS been Serbian- populated with a majority of Serbs until the last 50 years when Tito opened the Albanian Kosovo borders.(So STOP with the lies that Serbs have never owned Kosovo!) Yes...you may have almost 2 million K-Albs NOW- but HOW did that occur??? (How about the FACT of your Serbian "ethnic cleansing!!!) And you are fortunate to have your own country- ALBANIA....not like the millions of Kurds in Turkey and Iraq!!! So why take away from others when you have your own??? And yes...the Serbs and Albanians lived together in relative peace and respect for each other UNTIL your criminal leadership sought to destroy that peace. Open your ears when Serbia is telling you that you will have "more than autonomy" in your daily lives- what more do you want??? And do you want to live forever in a "zombie state" just for the sake to think that you are "independent"??? Wake up K-Albs and stop with all the lies and half-truths that you continually perpetuate. REALISTICALLY, you will NEVER be part of a normal country by yourself- and the international (West) community will only support you for so long. Probudi se!!!

"The ruling will certainly have the nature of setting a precedent and I am absolutely convinced that the court will rule in line with international law."

Jeremic,

The Court will look into everything that IT CONSIDERS FIT. I know that you would like to tighten the Court's hands in expressing its OPNION. The Court can come to the conlusion that Kosova(0) is a SUI GENERIS case. I have a GOOD REASON to believe in that. Tell me one case NATO had to intervene to stop the ethnic cleansing committed by an "international recognised state". You will say "it wasn't an ethnic cleansing", "NATO agression" etc etc. You can say whatever you like but you CAN NOT STOP the Court to look into everything and make its own OPINION. At the end of the day the Court will be looking how truthful are your statements.

>>Ours is a peace-loving, democratic country, and we have every right to use legal, peaceful and democratic means to fight for our sovereignty," Jeremić concluded.

Maybe he thinks if he keeps repeating this mantra about being "peace-loving and democratic" then somehow, magically it will become true. it ain't.

as for the "trial of the century" -- i thought that was the gloria vanderbildt case -- or was it the OJ trial?

wait a minute, which century are we referring to? if it's the 21st century, i have a feeling "trial of the century" is just a tad premature.

if he means the last century, it certainly COULD become a significant decision if the court rules in favor of independence and delineates the overriding factors. i doubt this will transpire, but we shall see.

roberto/ frisco

Dragan wrote:
"On the other side are the free and independent thinking nations of the world, and the ones that are upholding justice and international law. "

Yea...Libya, Iran, Venezuela, Egypt, North Korea, Algeria...in other words the beacons of democracy are on Serbia's side. I couldn't agree more Dragan. You are absolutely correct. With supporters like that, Serbia surely is guaranteed an overwhelming victory over the evil imperialists like France, Germany, USA, Japan, The Netherlands, the nordic countries, and other Axis of Evil states like them.

Today when we are busy with the Great Easter you may write whatever you like. I forgive you all !

The God is on our side ! 2000 we have the Holy Fire only for Orthodox Easter though every year the date is different ! Not for the Catholics , Babtists Iegova or other Adventists ! Not for Jewish Easter ! The fire comes only when a Greek is praying for the whole world ! Thank you Greece !

Congratulations for all ! Please leave alone all your arguments for at least one day ! Formally this is a Serbian site and let's respect them now that they are busy with prayer.

Thank you and good luck for all of you !

Tell me one case NATO had to intervene to stop the ethnic cleansing committed by an "international recognised state".
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EA, you have your wires crossed. No one ever alleged Serbia was ethnically cleansing Albanians until after NATO started dropping bombs so your argument is flawed.

You should remember that Albanians were all firmly in Kosovo and only started to flee AFTER the bombs started dropping. In other words, NATOs intervention was the cause of the mass exodus, not only of Albanians but also Serbians. Courts tend to deal with facts and not someone's imagination.

Anyway, back to the ICJ case. I would really like to see India on the list supporting Serbia. With Russia, China, Brazil, Spain and India, we have some major players and regional leaders on our side representing well over half the world's population.

Jeremic is building this up as the process of the century?

LOL.

First off, the court has no power. None. It only gives an opinion.

Secondly, I didn't know the court's decision was already made and Jeremic could be this euphoric.

Thirdly, the ICJ will not, I repeat, will not vote in Serbia's favour. Neither in Kosovo's favour. In fact it will most likely give a two-part opinion.

In other words, nothing will change; only Jeremic's falsely triumphant rhetoric will come crashing down from building this up as the process of the century. LOL.

The West always gets its way my friends :)

Last role of the dice for Serbia!
It is understandable that Jeremic will want to add emotions and play with people feelings.
He wont to get as much as attention possible in order to claim victory or injustice depending on the court saying.
Again people in Serbia are getting misslead as they always have been for years.
No one beleive that an ADVISORY verdict somehow would return the indepedence or start new "negotions"..
Jeremic need to tell his people the truth. How about starting and tell his people that his request to IJC was to express an OPINION not to cancel the indepedence!
He knows better than anyone in Serbia IJC works and what they do.

The last poster is misinformed. Member countries of the UN have until July 17 to submit their opinions. There was no mention of the usa submitting an opinion yet. Since they have been ignoring international law lately, there are probably no experts in the usa. The ICJ is being more than fair - I read they accepted some scribble from mr. wood for the k-albos. This tells you something about their fake "government" - they need a lot of international help on this case.

america is getting scared; there are tax protests all over the country - I am going to one of them tonight. The governor of Texas floated the idea of a Texan UDI. obama will stay away from this case and let hillary take the flak. I wonder if Texas will send an opinion in favor of the UDI. Since the usa has been destabilizing countries all over the world, it is only fair that the usa crumbles too.

"accept the reality and get on with your lives try to built your economy and let the others to live peacefully in their own country because you dont own it, it was never yours and is never going to be yours anymore.
(Ajsel, 18 April 2009 16:07) "


Ajsel, do you really believe what you are writing?
but stating that Kosovo was never serbian... is simply absurd... given that it factually never was albanian.

so, you should really try to get your facts straight, my dear.

@Arthur:
international law is no suicidal pact, no...

but living in the illusion to have a "newborn" state, when so many signs indicate something else - that´s indeed suicidal.

as for the two million K-albanians who do not wish to live in Serbia...

just wait a little, and we will see what happens when most of them realize that they are being duped.

only the socalled hard-boiled nationalist Albanians will still be ignoring reality then.



but I can only hope that you, Arthur, are not one of those hard-boiled dreamers...

"Jeremić: Process of century at ICJ"

For some advice?

thanks for making my day.

process of the century?No sir,only
the last (and minor,compared to the world's problems) process of last century,when so many people decided to become free and independant !

Kosovo is lost. Jeremic is performing a ritual dance to keep the radicals quiet and to hide that they are underperforming in the EU integration process.

JohnBoy,
There is actually a difference between Texas and Kosovo. Texas _do_ have a legal right to seccede, or at least to declare as much autonomy as they want to have. That's stipulated by, at least, the Tenth Amendment. Kosovo on the other hand has _no_ law to lean against in their decision to unilaterally call for independence. They only got a go-ahead from the U.S. and the U.S. have no legal right to make such promises to random provinces on the other side of the globe. We don't live in a unipolar world anymore, those days are over.

I am yet to see a logical answer from Serbia, on how do they plan to govern and live in peace with 2 million albanians who essentially all of them not simply do not want to be ruled by Serbia, but the anti-serbian theme is the very core of their existence.

I mean their songs, their moral, their mythology, their tales and myths, even their dreams and aspirations as a people - everything is perceived as a struggle against Serbia. 99% of them have voted over and over to break away from Serbia, they have decades that do not obey to any Serbian institutions, they even pay a pension to those fighters who fought Serbian army 10 years ago. Maybe they have some fault of their own but I have not seen any serious efforts from Serbia to make them feel at home, or integrate them in Serbian state. From my personal experience the very mention of the Serbian state authority irritates every albanian to the point of insanity.

How can someone in the right mind pretend that peace and prosperity can be achieved this way? How does Serbia plan to reconcile these major differences, especially when continues to present Kosovo as a sacred place for Serbs, thus implying Albanians there are invaders, they do not belong there, by portraying them as terrorists, as criminals, as a people who deserved the response of 1999.

10,000 albanians lost their lives in 1999, mass graves with albanian bodies were found all the way to Belgrade, and yet there are serbs that still claim, there was no murder, and the army did nothing wrong, it was the NATO bombing although 100% of Albanian refugees say it was the Serbian army.

I really want to see an answer from Serbia, how do they guarantee to the world that there will be no more Milosevics in the future, how can an Albanian trust the future of their kids to a state with such precedents, where a major % of the state apparatus is/was trialed for war crimes.

I think with this strategy Serbia has no chance to win the ICJ opinion. In the end, one must not forget that the international law is not a suicidal pact.

The day after ICJ delivers its opinion,B92 will quote the serb politician saying that the opinion was biased and came under pressure from the west.

FM Jeremic, please do not play with your people. Many of them believe in what you are saying, even if you do not.

I do not understand the run for supporter states: the ICJ is an independent court and the opinion of a member state does not ultimately reflect the opinion of the deciding judges.

I seriously doubt the importance of the court decision for two reasons:
1. the decision is not binding (even though PM Tadic has proclaimed he will accept whatever decision comes out)
2. the decision will most likely be divided and not clear. It will give chance for both parties go gain a victory, but the value of this victory is questionable.

That the court decision is minor in its importance shows also the high number of states who did neither vote for nor against the launching of the process.

Anyway, happy Easter to all orthodox believers!

but I can only hope that you, Arthur, are not one of those hard-boiled dreamers...
(Jovan, 19 April 2009 14:47)

Jovan, not everyone who has a different opinion from you is an albanian extremist, or a criminal or whatever names you give them. I think is time for many serbs to move away from this idea of demonizing their adversary, cause none will think you are serious when you want to live with them afterwords.

I had a few questions and you answered none. It is your right. But I am sure these kind of discussion will be a focal point of the arguments before the ICJ.

Serbia is quick to point to international law as an end in itself, with a pure disregard of the reality, and no guarantees and changes for the future. Following this logic, there might be other 1999s for Albanians, but who cares, international law will always support Serbia's right over Kosovo, no matter how many deaths, how much distruction....

But, speaking of int'l law: how come Serbia consistently claims coverage by int'l law over its Kosovo sovreginity claim, when this same law was repeatedly violated through the commission of war crimes? What part of int'l law sanctions this kind of behavior?

"because you dont own it, it was never yours and is never going to be yours anymore. "
(Ajsel, 18 April 2009 16:07)

Make up you mind please. You are saying that it was never Serbia's and will never be Serbia's AGAIN! Are you admiting that it was Serbia's territry by will be not be again?

RE: ICJ

Advisory or not, the opinion rendered will reveal if this body is truly a legal international court, or just a lap dog for US and UK International Policy.

The advisory opinion sent by the United States should be thrown out as she is not signatory to the ICJ for fear of US citizens being tried for war crimes outside of the US.

Further, this court is rendering a decision on the principles of sovereinty not KLA terrorism or false accusations of "genocide" propogated by Albanian extremists.

The adivisory opinion will tilt UN opinion one way or another. The courts decision will determine if Kosovo becomes truly independant or just a EU protectorate in limbo.

An unclear decision is to the benefit to the Serbian government and continued status quo and the unofficial partition of Kosovo between Serbian and Albanian enclaves.

A positive opinion for the Albanians will open a Pandora's Box in Europe and Asia igniting conflicts in places like Azerbaijan and Georgia where autonomous regions have been declared.

If I were Jeremic I would not be so optimistic about the court where the West have almost guaranteed 50% of voices ( UK + France + Mexico + Japan + US + Germany ) with Sierra Leone and New Zeeland under question. All we really have there are the voices of Russia + Slovakia + China + Madagascar + Venezuella.

Sure there’s no comparison with the Serbophobe Tribunal where being a Serb is already a crime. Sure we can use this tribune to slow or even stop the recognition. But to be realistic for the time being I can’t see how we can switch the reverse mode. If only we have the majority … Well then we’ll need another court to imprison the Barbarians to write “Happy Easter” on their missiles and to bomb bridges hundreds kilometers away from Kosovo.

Konstantin,

"Advisory or not, the opinion rendered will reveal if this body is truly a legal international court, or just a lap dog for US and UK International Policy."

It was Serbia who has applied to ICJ for an Opinion. When Court courts speak everyone else should SHUT UP!

I know for certain that Serbian has no intention in following the Court's opinion. The only purpose for applying to Court was purely delaying further Kosova's international recognitions.

(Arthur, 19 April 2009 08:24)
Arthur, I haven't red for long time such a well articulated comment.

The simple answer to your very rational questions is that Serbia never did and never will care to answer to the questions that you pose.

This is the sad reality.

This is the reason of the conflict.

Three words for you Mr. Jeremic: Stop the hyperbole!

The Big question: How will the Albanians in Kosovo react when they find out that Kosovo will remain within Serbia's borders? My guess is that the U.N. will have to intervene and keep things at bay. Oh well, Thaci can always go back to Al Qaeda and the boys or work on his drug smuggling full time now.