France to participate at ICJ

both sides have very good teams except that serbia has the international law on its side; i just can't believe how far slovenia is prepared to go against serbian interests...

both sides have very good teams except that serbia has the international law on its side; i just can't believe how far slovenia is prepared to go against serbian interests...
(ng, 16 April 2009 14:43)

We should not be surprised by the backstabbing antics of the Slovenes. Not content with being the first republic to seceed from Socialist Yugoslavia and condemn the Yugoslav people to the appaling consequences that its selfish actions brought, it is now unsurprisingly a compliant lapdog for the Anglo-American imperialist domination of the Balkans and the destruction-piecemeal of the Serbian nation who were the keystone of Yugoslavia.

Time to hit the Slovenes where it hurts....in their pockets.

What is a realistic scenario if Serbia wins this? The independence of Kosovo will be stripped of any legal legitimacy whatsoever, so the recognizing countries will have a choice to make: 1.) Respect international law and abide by the ICJ ruling, or 2.) Dismiss the ruling as unimportant, in effect repudiating the ICJ, international law, and the entire system of global governance they have worked so hard to achieve.

It will be very interesting to see how this pans out. You can bet if the ICJ rules in Serbia's favor, future recognitions will be hard to come by, which means Kosovo will certainly never join EU or UN and will have to choose between its current zombie status or compromising and accepting a solution entailing something less than complete de jure independence. Will pragmatism win out over pride?

And if the ICJ rules in Kosovo's favor, I doubt much else will change, they might pick up a few more recognitions, but the main opponents of the UDI still won't recognize them, and they still won't join the EU or UN anytime soon.

Either way, I'm sure this independence thing is turning out to be a lot more complicated than the Kosovo Albanians had intended.

" "France will submit a written expose to the ICJ, where will outline its position," confirmed French government spokesman Roman Nadal. He would not be drawn on what side France would be taking in the case."

Take a WILD guess B92, a really wild one, on whose side is France?

To B92:
Priština in English is spelt Pristina.
(BH_NYC, 16 April 2009 14:20)

Awww, did someone get their feelings hurt by the big bad Serbian news website?

"It's interesting that out of the countries mentioned above only one is from former Yugoslavia and that country is supporting Pristina. Big plus for Albanians.

To B92:
Priština in English is spelt Pristina.
(BH_NYC, 16 April 2009 14:20)"

I doubt Slovenia being in SFRY is of any relevance to the ICJ.

Priština doesn't have a specific spelling in English unlike Belgrade or Munich so its native form with diacritics is correct. The same is true of Niš and Pančevo to pick two random examples.

It's interesting that out of the countries mentioned above only one is from former Yugoslavia and that country is supporting Pristina. Big plus for Albanians.

To B92:
Priština in English is spelt Pristina.

Serbia: Russia, China, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Argentina, Bolivia, Venezuela, Romania, Cyprus, Spain and Slovakia

Kosova: the U.S., the UK, Germany, France, Switzerland, Austria, Finland, Denmark and Slovenia

An intresting line there serbia's got two comunist countiries, two hard line socialist and two hardly known countries

Georgia for sure is not going to support serbia.

>> Time to hit the Slovenes where it hurts....in their pockets.

The only problem: Serbia needs their permission to get in EU or to get EU aid. Small problem, no?

>>> You can bet if the ICJ rules in Serbia's favor, future recognitions will be hard to come by, which means Kosovo will certainly never join EU or UN and will have to choose between its current zombie status or compromising and accepting a solution entailing something less than complete de jure independence. Will pragmatism win out over pride?

It isn't about pride, it's about actual survival, so Serbia has said they will not recognize even if ICJ rules for Kosova and Kosova will ignore it too. Never bet against EU or UN. Serbia desperately needs EU and 22/7 recognize Kosova. All EU has to do is threaten to let Albania in first and you see Serbia moving

"Take a WILD guess B92, a really wild one, on whose side is France?
(Alban, 16 April 2009 13:28)"

-- It's own.

What is a realistic scenario if Serbia wins this? The independence of Kosovo will be stripped of any legal legitimacy whatsoever, so the recognizing countries will have a choice to make: 1.) Respect international law and abide by the ICJ ruling, or 2.) Dismiss the ruling as unimportant, in effect repudiating the ICJ, international law, and the entire system of global governance they have worked so hard to achieve.

It will be very interesting to see how this pans out. You can bet if the ICJ rules in Serbia's favor, future recognitions will be hard to come by, which means Kosovo will certainly never join EU or UN and will have to choose between its current zombie status or compromising and accepting a solution entailing something less than complete de jure independence. Will pragmatism win out over pride?

And if the ICJ rules in Kosovo's favor, I doubt much else will change, they might pick up a few more recognitions, but the main opponents of the UDI still won't recognize them, and they still won't join the EU or UN anytime soon.

Either way, I'm sure this independence thing is turning out to be a lot more complicated than the Kosovo Albanians had intended.
(BillyTheKid, 16 April 2009 16:13)

By using your own words and logic:

What is a realistic scenario if Kosovo wins this? The independence of Kosovo will be given legal legitimacy , so the countries that havent recognized will have a choice to make: 1.) Respect international law and abide by the ICJ ruling, or 2.) Dismiss the ruling as unimportant, in effect repudiating the ICJ, international law, and the entire system of global governance they have worked so hard to achieve and preach so much about it.

"France will submit a written expose to the ICJ, where will outline its position," confirmed French government spokesman Roman Nadal. He would not be drawn on what side France would be taking in the case.

I wonder if the French will submit the details of the French KFOR protection team running like dogs from Dević Monastery whilst 3000 albanians demolished it...Or are they just a wee bit embarrassed.
The Auld Alliance has no meaning these days....

"Awww, did someone get their feelings hurt by the big bad Serbian news website?"


He wasn't talking about Serbianna. Nice try.

BH_NYC,
in North America the world spelt, means to spill.

I guess what you mean is "spelled".

I guess those American English classes panned out.

To B92:
Priština in English is spelt Pristina.
(BH_NYC, 16 April 2009 14:20)
While we are on the subject of correct spelling, Kosovo is spelled KosovO in any language.
Maybe you need to learn to spell yourself.

(Peggy, 17 April 2009 03:57)

For some reason b92 didn't publish my previous post regarding the difference between 'spelt' and 'spilt'. Therefore I'm finding it a bit hard to discuss spelling issues with commentators on this site.

It is very constructive that we are finally at the stage when this matter will be determined by substance. When the nations of the UN General Assembly accepted Serbia's proposal to have this UDI decided by the supreme body of international law, the ICJ, the majority of the nations basically told Kosovo that independence does not come on the basis of political intrique and strong-arming a democratic republic like Serbia; it comes from the provisions of international law and history, such as the UN Charter, Resolution 1244 and the Helsinki Act of 1975. The fact that Pristina has tried to avoid this at all costs should tell the world everything it needs to know. Serbia is seeking a ruling from a court of law, and Pristina is running from it. After the ruling, we will all see how much Pristina respects the ICJ and the rule of international law, as opposed to just political intrigue. Take note, world.

France is a free, respected country and they are entitled to submit any opinion to ICJ they like.

Serbia is a free, respected country which takes serious care about safety of it's citizens and the environment protection.

Serbian ministry of transportation should be reminded, not a single French car manufacturer makes cars complying with strict Californian environmental laws and NHTSA safety standards.

Such very unsafe and very environment-unfriendly cars should be substituted with KIA cars made in North Korea (close to DMZ), Russia (Kaliningrad), Slovakia (Zilina).

I, for myself, drive a North Korean-assembled car made for USA market, equipped for Californian emission standard and having five-star NHTSA test.

Any objections?

Serbia: Russia, China, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Argentina, Bolivia, Venezuela, Romania, Cyprus, Spain and Slovakia

Kosova: the U.S., the UK, Germany, France, Switzerland, Austria, Finland, Denmark and Slovenia

An intresting line there serbia's got two comunist countiries, two hard line socialist and two hardly known countries

Georgia for sure is not going to support serbia.

" "France will submit a written expose to the ICJ, where will outline its position," confirmed French government spokesman Roman Nadal. He would not be drawn on what side France would be taking in the case."

Take a WILD guess B92, a really wild one, on whose side is France?

It's interesting that out of the countries mentioned above only one is from former Yugoslavia and that country is supporting Pristina. Big plus for Albanians.

To B92:
Priština in English is spelt Pristina.

What is a realistic scenario if Serbia wins this? The independence of Kosovo will be stripped of any legal legitimacy whatsoever, so the recognizing countries will have a choice to make: 1.) Respect international law and abide by the ICJ ruling, or 2.) Dismiss the ruling as unimportant, in effect repudiating the ICJ, international law, and the entire system of global governance they have worked so hard to achieve.

It will be very interesting to see how this pans out. You can bet if the ICJ rules in Serbia's favor, future recognitions will be hard to come by, which means Kosovo will certainly never join EU or UN and will have to choose between its current zombie status or compromising and accepting a solution entailing something less than complete de jure independence. Will pragmatism win out over pride?

And if the ICJ rules in Kosovo's favor, I doubt much else will change, they might pick up a few more recognitions, but the main opponents of the UDI still won't recognize them, and they still won't join the EU or UN anytime soon.

Either way, I'm sure this independence thing is turning out to be a lot more complicated than the Kosovo Albanians had intended.

both sides have very good teams except that serbia has the international law on its side; i just can't believe how far slovenia is prepared to go against serbian interests...
(ng, 16 April 2009 14:43)

We should not be surprised by the backstabbing antics of the Slovenes. Not content with being the first republic to seceed from Socialist Yugoslavia and condemn the Yugoslav people to the appaling consequences that its selfish actions brought, it is now unsurprisingly a compliant lapdog for the Anglo-American imperialist domination of the Balkans and the destruction-piecemeal of the Serbian nation who were the keystone of Yugoslavia.

Time to hit the Slovenes where it hurts....in their pockets.

both sides have very good teams except that serbia has the international law on its side; i just can't believe how far slovenia is prepared to go against serbian interests...

"It's interesting that out of the countries mentioned above only one is from former Yugoslavia and that country is supporting Pristina. Big plus for Albanians.

To B92:
Priština in English is spelt Pristina.
(BH_NYC, 16 April 2009 14:20)"

I doubt Slovenia being in SFRY is of any relevance to the ICJ.

Priština doesn't have a specific spelling in English unlike Belgrade or Munich so its native form with diacritics is correct. The same is true of Niš and Pančevo to pick two random examples.

To B92:
Priština in English is spelt Pristina.
(BH_NYC, 16 April 2009 14:20)

Awww, did someone get their feelings hurt by the big bad Serbian news website?

"France will submit a written expose to the ICJ, where will outline its position," confirmed French government spokesman Roman Nadal. He would not be drawn on what side France would be taking in the case.

I wonder if the French will submit the details of the French KFOR protection team running like dogs from Dević Monastery whilst 3000 albanians demolished it...Or are they just a wee bit embarrassed.
The Auld Alliance has no meaning these days....

BH_NYC,
in North America the world spelt, means to spill.

I guess what you mean is "spelled".

I guess those American English classes panned out.

>> Time to hit the Slovenes where it hurts....in their pockets.

The only problem: Serbia needs their permission to get in EU or to get EU aid. Small problem, no?

>>> You can bet if the ICJ rules in Serbia's favor, future recognitions will be hard to come by, which means Kosovo will certainly never join EU or UN and will have to choose between its current zombie status or compromising and accepting a solution entailing something less than complete de jure independence. Will pragmatism win out over pride?

It isn't about pride, it's about actual survival, so Serbia has said they will not recognize even if ICJ rules for Kosova and Kosova will ignore it too. Never bet against EU or UN. Serbia desperately needs EU and 22/7 recognize Kosova. All EU has to do is threaten to let Albania in first and you see Serbia moving

"Take a WILD guess B92, a really wild one, on whose side is France?
(Alban, 16 April 2009 13:28)"

-- It's own.

To B92:
Priština in English is spelt Pristina.
(BH_NYC, 16 April 2009 14:20)
While we are on the subject of correct spelling, Kosovo is spelled KosovO in any language.
Maybe you need to learn to spell yourself.

"Awww, did someone get their feelings hurt by the big bad Serbian news website?"


He wasn't talking about Serbianna. Nice try.

What is a realistic scenario if Serbia wins this? The independence of Kosovo will be stripped of any legal legitimacy whatsoever, so the recognizing countries will have a choice to make: 1.) Respect international law and abide by the ICJ ruling, or 2.) Dismiss the ruling as unimportant, in effect repudiating the ICJ, international law, and the entire system of global governance they have worked so hard to achieve.

It will be very interesting to see how this pans out. You can bet if the ICJ rules in Serbia's favor, future recognitions will be hard to come by, which means Kosovo will certainly never join EU or UN and will have to choose between its current zombie status or compromising and accepting a solution entailing something less than complete de jure independence. Will pragmatism win out over pride?

And if the ICJ rules in Kosovo's favor, I doubt much else will change, they might pick up a few more recognitions, but the main opponents of the UDI still won't recognize them, and they still won't join the EU or UN anytime soon.

Either way, I'm sure this independence thing is turning out to be a lot more complicated than the Kosovo Albanians had intended.
(BillyTheKid, 16 April 2009 16:13)

By using your own words and logic:

What is a realistic scenario if Kosovo wins this? The independence of Kosovo will be given legal legitimacy , so the countries that havent recognized will have a choice to make: 1.) Respect international law and abide by the ICJ ruling, or 2.) Dismiss the ruling as unimportant, in effect repudiating the ICJ, international law, and the entire system of global governance they have worked so hard to achieve and preach so much about it.

(Peggy, 17 April 2009 03:57)

For some reason b92 didn't publish my previous post regarding the difference between 'spelt' and 'spilt'. Therefore I'm finding it a bit hard to discuss spelling issues with commentators on this site.

France is a free, respected country and they are entitled to submit any opinion to ICJ they like.

Serbia is a free, respected country which takes serious care about safety of it's citizens and the environment protection.

Serbian ministry of transportation should be reminded, not a single French car manufacturer makes cars complying with strict Californian environmental laws and NHTSA safety standards.

Such very unsafe and very environment-unfriendly cars should be substituted with KIA cars made in North Korea (close to DMZ), Russia (Kaliningrad), Slovakia (Zilina).

I, for myself, drive a North Korean-assembled car made for USA market, equipped for Californian emission standard and having five-star NHTSA test.

Any objections?

It is very constructive that we are finally at the stage when this matter will be determined by substance. When the nations of the UN General Assembly accepted Serbia's proposal to have this UDI decided by the supreme body of international law, the ICJ, the majority of the nations basically told Kosovo that independence does not come on the basis of political intrique and strong-arming a democratic republic like Serbia; it comes from the provisions of international law and history, such as the UN Charter, Resolution 1244 and the Helsinki Act of 1975. The fact that Pristina has tried to avoid this at all costs should tell the world everything it needs to know. Serbia is seeking a ruling from a court of law, and Pristina is running from it. After the ruling, we will all see how much Pristina respects the ICJ and the rule of international law, as opposed to just political intrigue. Take note, world.