Legal teams representing Serbia and Priština have finalized preparations of their arguments on Kosovo independence, which will now be submitted to the ICJ.
The ICJ is obviously the highest court of international law in the world, and after the UN General Assembly has asked for an option on Pristina's UDI, it begs the following question; after the ICJ rules in favor of Serbia's position, how will it react? Will it respect the rule of international law from its highest source, thereby agreeing to be bound by it voluntarily, or will it disrespect the rule of law and the ICJ (and thereby the UN Charter, Resolution 1244 and the Helsinki Act of 1975) and the UN itself, and show itself to be nothing more than an illegitimate outlaw region, which legally is Serbian territory. Pristina is scared to death of the ICJ's ruling because it will be based on the rule of international law. The West, on the other hand, will have no choice but to respect it.
Interestingly it was just yesterday that Serbs here were assuring themselves that Prishtina would never declare independence, let alone be recognized. I feel that they are setting themselves up for another disappointment.
I will be buying land in southern Serbia, and I will be buying it exclusively from Albanian owners!
we will see whether they will be so hard-boiled patriots, when they see nicely smelling dollar-bills.
I bet they won´t, and as far as I can see it, there are already several potential sellers wishing to earn money...
at least that´s what the real estate broker is telling me.
so the bottom-line is: we will buy you, and the rest of it will come back to us anyway, since it - remember it my dear - is serbian territory.
as for this comment written by "Ajsel":
my dear, you can write it as often you want, and no matter how often you deny it, deep inside you know that I am right.
historically, legally and morally ...all the facts speak for Serbia.
if it were different, you wouldn´t have needed dirty terrorist-tactics and US- and NATO-help to ( temporarily ) take over control of sovereign serbian territory.
Why is Kosovos dialing code still the same as rest of Serbias?
I just think every country should have their own code.
But wait you have to be in the UN. Long way to go till "indapendance".
Therefore, what the court rules in our case will set a precedent for every future attempt at secession throughout the world,” said the minister.
“That means that everyone will refer to this ruling. As a result there is great interest in this case in the professional public and among international legal circles,” he explained.
Well KOSOVA is a sui generis case and I feel that the Court will come to that conclusion. The Court quite likely might say Kosova's independence is a lesson for all rough and oppressive cointries that should you oppress "your own" people you risk losing these people and the territory where they live in.
"Serbia has a number of powerful allies on its side, said the minister, but so too does Priština.
"... the Kosovo institutions have prepared their arguments too. The Priština team’s documentation, headed by British international legal expert Michael Wood, contains two sections of around 500 pages each"
Not an easy ride Jeremic. You have no intention of accepting the Court decision if it goes against Serbia. But at the end the Court decision is ADVISORY/non obbligatory.
“This is the first time in history that the ICJ will be considering an illegal act of secession. Therefore, what the court rules in our case will set a precedent for every future attempt at secession throughout the world,” said the minister.
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Can someone tell the minister that ICJ doesn't have any LEGAL power!
Therefore it can't considere as the minister put it "an illegal act of secession".
Serbia asked ICJ to expres an opinion and come up with an ADVISORY verdict. Somehow the minister in order to justify his incopetence and to keep Kosovo interest alive in Serbia, comes up every bizare sorts of claims.
Again the minister talks as Kosovo indepedence happen yeasterday not more than a year ago. So far Kosovo has not set "a precedent for every future attempt at secession throughout the world". Even Russia made it clear that the regions of Abkhazia and Ossetia are not the same as Kosovo!
So goodness know how the minister and his legal team are going to justify these claims in ICJ.
Whatever small Kosovo& Metohija is it has changed the world more than anything else. Changed for the worst. No matter that I support Serbs cause the problem is not a local one. Unfortunately it is the Serbian way to change the whole world. Be it WW1 or Non Alignment or Kosovo prcedent. How does it comes that Serbs are so often the corner stone of the world politics ?
Abkhazia and NO are just the first flowers ! We are to rip a terrible harvest of multiple wars all over the world. No one will be able to explain to many peoples on all continents that they are something worse than the Albanians. Thus Albanian freedom if realized will cost the mankind many many innocent lives.
All other events round K&M are rather routine though sensitive to both of the sides involved.
that is only your point of view.
Why dont you have a look at the argument of the others , people that; dont want to live with you; poeple that you do not want; people that you have not rules for more than 20 years; people that are killed by your state; place that you have no sovreignity.
Have a look at these for a moment, for your future benefit.
A quick and often angry response from the Albanian posters, suggests fear of the ICJ's decision. Truth and justice is only an enemy of lies and criminality, so I don't see what the Albanian posters have to fear or get angry about.
Expect some 20 states and their statements in favor of Kosovo. Serbia so far has failed to provide even 10 states, "Gazeta Express was told by a western diplomat in Prishtina".
Oh, and what tabloidpaper to quote: Gazeta Express! We all know how trustworthy albanian papers are. That's why albanians come here to voice their opinions.
Just do the math. 57 countries in favor of independence 141 against. You don't even need a calculator to see who has the overwhelming support.
Ian I would not deny that Serbian forces in Kosovo were heavy handed and there were cases of war crimes.
However, as far as I'm aware nobody seriously claims that it was genocide - certainly not the Hague or respected groups such as Amnesty International. In fact I don't think that even the Kosovo side at the ICJ will try to claim genocide, but I could be wrong.
If you are going to maintain a semblence of impartiality you will have to withdraw that claim or provide international based evidence to the contrary.
Serbia has the law, moral and history on its side.
Maybe Serbia has other thing but certainly does not have this three mentioned and I'm afraid you are gona be so dispointed by the outcomes from the ICJ so let see.
Seems that Jeremic’s concern is not Kosovo independence, he is much worried about the consequences that it might cause in the future for the rest of the World. He is constantly making statements on invalidity of the subject, the impact of various factors, weather forecast etc. same time pledging the readiness of his and undisputable evidences he does possess measured out in volume of the pages. That is OK, but classifying the case as historical Jeremic argues himself in his attempt by prejudging the whole outcome. In my opinion as a part in dispute Jeremic should wait for the final outcome ruled by ICJ who is the only competent body to come with the decision (opinion) after a thorough research in the most unbiased manner. So let us wait and see.
Expect some 20 states and their statements in favor of Kosovo. Serbia so far has failed to provide even 10 states, "Gazeta Express was told by a western diplomat in Prishtina".
"According to media in Priština, the Kosovo institutions have prepared their arguments too. The Priština team’s documentation, headed by British international legal expert Michael Wood, contains two sections of around 500 pages each."
isn´t it amusing that our dear albanian friends here in this forum are not getting tired to express how unimportant and useless this ICJ-bid is... and on the other side, their "heroes" and "prime minister" and "president" ( of course only temporary figures ) seem to take it quite serious indeed.
either our dear friends here do not have a clue what they are talking about - or their "leaders" are doing something completely useless.
but if so, why are they doing it?
perhaps to let the average K-albanian believe that everything is okay...?
=)
let´s just see what future brings.
in regard to Serbia, I am qute confident, not only because of the forementioned reasons given by Mr.Jeremic.
Serbia has the law, moral and history on its side.
Stupid of Prishtina playing serb games, if i was in charge i would have not even bothered making an effort to get an opinion. ICJ's opinion is worthless to me, but whats important for me is the people who live in Kosovo.
It was clear Serbia would go for this, since they haven't let out anything to harm us Albanians, beginning with repression during '80ies brutal assaults, war, burning down our homes and deportation in the '90ies. After loosing the war there was nothing left to you but use every political mean to make our lives as hard as possible. Maybee it is not comletely true when we say nothing has changed in Serbia, I'd agree you have a democratically elected government, but your positions considering Albanians and Kosovo are, as good as I can see, totally conform and unchanged to those of Seselj and the Milosevic regime.
“This is, in every aspect, a historic case before the ICJ. For Serbia it’s exceedingly important, but I think it will have great significance—I mean, for peace and stability and international relations in the world in the 21st century,”
True, Serbia has made history in Hague since 1993. Weren't the 80 and 90's a historical opportunity for Serbia?
“This is, in every aspect, a historic case before the ICJ. For Serbia it’s exceedingly important, but I think it will have great significance—I mean, for peace and stability and international relations in the world in the 21st century,”
True, Serbia has made history in Hague since 1993. Weren't the 80 and 90's a historical opportunity for Serbia?
It was clear Serbia would go for this, since they haven't let out anything to harm us Albanians, beginning with repression during '80ies brutal assaults, war, burning down our homes and deportation in the '90ies. After loosing the war there was nothing left to you but use every political mean to make our lives as hard as possible. Maybee it is not comletely true when we say nothing has changed in Serbia, I'd agree you have a democratically elected government, but your positions considering Albanians and Kosovo are, as good as I can see, totally conform and unchanged to those of Seselj and the Milosevic regime.
"According to media in Priština, the Kosovo institutions have prepared their arguments too. The Priština team’s documentation, headed by British international legal expert Michael Wood, contains two sections of around 500 pages each."
isn´t it amusing that our dear albanian friends here in this forum are not getting tired to express how unimportant and useless this ICJ-bid is... and on the other side, their "heroes" and "prime minister" and "president" ( of course only temporary figures ) seem to take it quite serious indeed.
either our dear friends here do not have a clue what they are talking about - or their "leaders" are doing something completely useless.
but if so, why are they doing it?
perhaps to let the average K-albanian believe that everything is okay...?
=)
let´s just see what future brings.
in regard to Serbia, I am qute confident, not only because of the forementioned reasons given by Mr.Jeremic.
Serbia has the law, moral and history on its side.
Whatever small Kosovo& Metohija is it has changed the world more than anything else. Changed for the worst. No matter that I support Serbs cause the problem is not a local one. Unfortunately it is the Serbian way to change the whole world. Be it WW1 or Non Alignment or Kosovo prcedent. How does it comes that Serbs are so often the corner stone of the world politics ?
Abkhazia and NO are just the first flowers ! We are to rip a terrible harvest of multiple wars all over the world. No one will be able to explain to many peoples on all continents that they are something worse than the Albanians. Thus Albanian freedom if realized will cost the mankind many many innocent lives.
All other events round K&M are rather routine though sensitive to both of the sides involved.
Expect some 20 states and their statements in favor of Kosovo. Serbia so far has failed to provide even 10 states, "Gazeta Express was told by a western diplomat in Prishtina".
Oh, and what tabloidpaper to quote: Gazeta Express! We all know how trustworthy albanian papers are. That's why albanians come here to voice their opinions.
Just do the math. 57 countries in favor of independence 141 against. You don't even need a calculator to see who has the overwhelming support.
Ian I would not deny that Serbian forces in Kosovo were heavy handed and there were cases of war crimes.
However, as far as I'm aware nobody seriously claims that it was genocide - certainly not the Hague or respected groups such as Amnesty International. In fact I don't think that even the Kosovo side at the ICJ will try to claim genocide, but I could be wrong.
If you are going to maintain a semblence of impartiality you will have to withdraw that claim or provide international based evidence to the contrary.
Expect some 20 states and their statements in favor of Kosovo. Serbia so far has failed to provide even 10 states, "Gazeta Express was told by a western diplomat in Prishtina".
A quick and often angry response from the Albanian posters, suggests fear of the ICJ's decision. Truth and justice is only an enemy of lies and criminality, so I don't see what the Albanian posters have to fear or get angry about.
Seems that Jeremic’s concern is not Kosovo independence, he is much worried about the consequences that it might cause in the future for the rest of the World. He is constantly making statements on invalidity of the subject, the impact of various factors, weather forecast etc. same time pledging the readiness of his and undisputable evidences he does possess measured out in volume of the pages. That is OK, but classifying the case as historical Jeremic argues himself in his attempt by prejudging the whole outcome. In my opinion as a part in dispute Jeremic should wait for the final outcome ruled by ICJ who is the only competent body to come with the decision (opinion) after a thorough research in the most unbiased manner. So let us wait and see.
Stupid of Prishtina playing serb games, if i was in charge i would have not even bothered making an effort to get an opinion. ICJ's opinion is worthless to me, but whats important for me is the people who live in Kosovo.
I will be buying land in southern Serbia, and I will be buying it exclusively from Albanian owners!
we will see whether they will be so hard-boiled patriots, when they see nicely smelling dollar-bills.
I bet they won´t, and as far as I can see it, there are already several potential sellers wishing to earn money...
at least that´s what the real estate broker is telling me.
so the bottom-line is: we will buy you, and the rest of it will come back to us anyway, since it - remember it my dear - is serbian territory.
as for this comment written by "Ajsel":
my dear, you can write it as often you want, and no matter how often you deny it, deep inside you know that I am right.
historically, legally and morally ...all the facts speak for Serbia.
if it were different, you wouldn´t have needed dirty terrorist-tactics and US- and NATO-help to ( temporarily ) take over control of sovereign serbian territory.
Serbia has the law, moral and history on its side.
Maybe Serbia has other thing but certainly does not have this three mentioned and I'm afraid you are gona be so dispointed by the outcomes from the ICJ so let see.
that is only your point of view.
Why dont you have a look at the argument of the others , people that; dont want to live with you; poeple that you do not want; people that you have not rules for more than 20 years; people that are killed by your state; place that you have no sovreignity.
Have a look at these for a moment, for your future benefit.
Why is Kosovos dialing code still the same as rest of Serbias?
I just think every country should have their own code.
But wait you have to be in the UN. Long way to go till "indapendance".
“This is the first time in history that the ICJ will be considering an illegal act of secession. Therefore, what the court rules in our case will set a precedent for every future attempt at secession throughout the world,” said the minister.
--------------
Can someone tell the minister that ICJ doesn't have any LEGAL power!
Therefore it can't considere as the minister put it "an illegal act of secession".
Serbia asked ICJ to expres an opinion and come up with an ADVISORY verdict. Somehow the minister in order to justify his incopetence and to keep Kosovo interest alive in Serbia, comes up every bizare sorts of claims.
Again the minister talks as Kosovo indepedence happen yeasterday not more than a year ago. So far Kosovo has not set "a precedent for every future attempt at secession throughout the world". Even Russia made it clear that the regions of Abkhazia and Ossetia are not the same as Kosovo!
So goodness know how the minister and his legal team are going to justify these claims in ICJ.
Therefore, what the court rules in our case will set a precedent for every future attempt at secession throughout the world,” said the minister.
“That means that everyone will refer to this ruling. As a result there is great interest in this case in the professional public and among international legal circles,” he explained.
Well KOSOVA is a sui generis case and I feel that the Court will come to that conclusion. The Court quite likely might say Kosova's independence is a lesson for all rough and oppressive cointries that should you oppress "your own" people you risk losing these people and the territory where they live in.
"Serbia has a number of powerful allies on its side, said the minister, but so too does Priština.
"... the Kosovo institutions have prepared their arguments too. The Priština team’s documentation, headed by British international legal expert Michael Wood, contains two sections of around 500 pages each"
Not an easy ride Jeremic. You have no intention of accepting the Court decision if it goes against Serbia. But at the end the Court decision is ADVISORY/non obbligatory.
Interestingly it was just yesterday that Serbs here were assuring themselves that Prishtina would never declare independence, let alone be recognized. I feel that they are setting themselves up for another disappointment.
The ICJ is obviously the highest court of international law in the world, and after the UN General Assembly has asked for an option on Pristina's UDI, it begs the following question; after the ICJ rules in favor of Serbia's position, how will it react? Will it respect the rule of international law from its highest source, thereby agreeing to be bound by it voluntarily, or will it disrespect the rule of law and the ICJ (and thereby the UN Charter, Resolution 1244 and the Helsinki Act of 1975) and the UN itself, and show itself to be nothing more than an illegitimate outlaw region, which legally is Serbian territory. Pristina is scared to death of the ICJ's ruling because it will be based on the rule of international law. The West, on the other hand, will have no choice but to respect it.
“This is, in every aspect, a historic case before the ICJ. For Serbia it’s exceedingly important, but I think it will have great significance—I mean, for peace and stability and international relations in the world in the 21st century,”
True, Serbia has made history in Hague since 1993. Weren't the 80 and 90's a historical opportunity for Serbia?
"According to media in Priština, the Kosovo institutions have prepared their arguments too. The Priština team’s documentation, headed by British international legal expert Michael Wood, contains two sections of around 500 pages each."
isn´t it amusing that our dear albanian friends here in this forum are not getting tired to express how unimportant and useless this ICJ-bid is... and on the other side, their "heroes" and "prime minister" and "president" ( of course only temporary figures ) seem to take it quite serious indeed.
either our dear friends here do not have a clue what they are talking about - or their "leaders" are doing something completely useless.
but if so, why are they doing it?
perhaps to let the average K-albanian believe that everything is okay...?
=)
let´s just see what future brings.
in regard to Serbia, I am qute confident, not only because of the forementioned reasons given by Mr.Jeremic.
Serbia has the law, moral and history on its side.
Expect some 20 states and their statements in favor of Kosovo. Serbia so far has failed to provide even 10 states, "Gazeta Express was told by a western diplomat in Prishtina".
It was clear Serbia would go for this, since they haven't let out anything to harm us Albanians, beginning with repression during '80ies brutal assaults, war, burning down our homes and deportation in the '90ies. After loosing the war there was nothing left to you but use every political mean to make our lives as hard as possible. Maybee it is not comletely true when we say nothing has changed in Serbia, I'd agree you have a democratically elected government, but your positions considering Albanians and Kosovo are, as good as I can see, totally conform and unchanged to those of Seselj and the Milosevic regime.
Stupid of Prishtina playing serb games, if i was in charge i would have not even bothered making an effort to get an opinion. ICJ's opinion is worthless to me, but whats important for me is the people who live in Kosovo.
Serbia has the law, moral and history on its side.
Maybe Serbia has other thing but certainly does not have this three mentioned and I'm afraid you are gona be so dispointed by the outcomes from the ICJ so let see.
Seems that Jeremic’s concern is not Kosovo independence, he is much worried about the consequences that it might cause in the future for the rest of the World. He is constantly making statements on invalidity of the subject, the impact of various factors, weather forecast etc. same time pledging the readiness of his and undisputable evidences he does possess measured out in volume of the pages. That is OK, but classifying the case as historical Jeremic argues himself in his attempt by prejudging the whole outcome. In my opinion as a part in dispute Jeremic should wait for the final outcome ruled by ICJ who is the only competent body to come with the decision (opinion) after a thorough research in the most unbiased manner. So let us wait and see.
that is only your point of view.
Why dont you have a look at the argument of the others , people that; dont want to live with you; poeple that you do not want; people that you have not rules for more than 20 years; people that are killed by your state; place that you have no sovreignity.
Have a look at these for a moment, for your future benefit.
A quick and often angry response from the Albanian posters, suggests fear of the ICJ's decision. Truth and justice is only an enemy of lies and criminality, so I don't see what the Albanian posters have to fear or get angry about.
Expect some 20 states and their statements in favor of Kosovo. Serbia so far has failed to provide even 10 states, "Gazeta Express was told by a western diplomat in Prishtina".
Oh, and what tabloidpaper to quote: Gazeta Express! We all know how trustworthy albanian papers are. That's why albanians come here to voice their opinions.
Just do the math. 57 countries in favor of independence 141 against. You don't even need a calculator to see who has the overwhelming support.
Whatever small Kosovo& Metohija is it has changed the world more than anything else. Changed for the worst. No matter that I support Serbs cause the problem is not a local one. Unfortunately it is the Serbian way to change the whole world. Be it WW1 or Non Alignment or Kosovo prcedent. How does it comes that Serbs are so often the corner stone of the world politics ?
Abkhazia and NO are just the first flowers ! We are to rip a terrible harvest of multiple wars all over the world. No one will be able to explain to many peoples on all continents that they are something worse than the Albanians. Thus Albanian freedom if realized will cost the mankind many many innocent lives.
All other events round K&M are rather routine though sensitive to both of the sides involved.
Therefore, what the court rules in our case will set a precedent for every future attempt at secession throughout the world,” said the minister.
“That means that everyone will refer to this ruling. As a result there is great interest in this case in the professional public and among international legal circles,” he explained.
Well KOSOVA is a sui generis case and I feel that the Court will come to that conclusion. The Court quite likely might say Kosova's independence is a lesson for all rough and oppressive cointries that should you oppress "your own" people you risk losing these people and the territory where they live in.
"Serbia has a number of powerful allies on its side, said the minister, but so too does Priština.
"... the Kosovo institutions have prepared their arguments too. The Priština team’s documentation, headed by British international legal expert Michael Wood, contains two sections of around 500 pages each"
Not an easy ride Jeremic. You have no intention of accepting the Court decision if it goes against Serbia. But at the end the Court decision is ADVISORY/non obbligatory.
Ian I would not deny that Serbian forces in Kosovo were heavy handed and there were cases of war crimes.
However, as far as I'm aware nobody seriously claims that it was genocide - certainly not the Hague or respected groups such as Amnesty International. In fact I don't think that even the Kosovo side at the ICJ will try to claim genocide, but I could be wrong.
If you are going to maintain a semblence of impartiality you will have to withdraw that claim or provide international based evidence to the contrary.
“This is the first time in history that the ICJ will be considering an illegal act of secession. Therefore, what the court rules in our case will set a precedent for every future attempt at secession throughout the world,” said the minister.
--------------
Can someone tell the minister that ICJ doesn't have any LEGAL power!
Therefore it can't considere as the minister put it "an illegal act of secession".
Serbia asked ICJ to expres an opinion and come up with an ADVISORY verdict. Somehow the minister in order to justify his incopetence and to keep Kosovo interest alive in Serbia, comes up every bizare sorts of claims.
Again the minister talks as Kosovo indepedence happen yeasterday not more than a year ago. So far Kosovo has not set "a precedent for every future attempt at secession throughout the world". Even Russia made it clear that the regions of Abkhazia and Ossetia are not the same as Kosovo!
So goodness know how the minister and his legal team are going to justify these claims in ICJ.
Why is Kosovos dialing code still the same as rest of Serbias?
I just think every country should have their own code.
But wait you have to be in the UN. Long way to go till "indapendance".
I will be buying land in southern Serbia, and I will be buying it exclusively from Albanian owners!
we will see whether they will be so hard-boiled patriots, when they see nicely smelling dollar-bills.
I bet they won´t, and as far as I can see it, there are already several potential sellers wishing to earn money...
at least that´s what the real estate broker is telling me.
so the bottom-line is: we will buy you, and the rest of it will come back to us anyway, since it - remember it my dear - is serbian territory.
as for this comment written by "Ajsel":
my dear, you can write it as often you want, and no matter how often you deny it, deep inside you know that I am right.
historically, legally and morally ...all the facts speak for Serbia.
if it were different, you wouldn´t have needed dirty terrorist-tactics and US- and NATO-help to ( temporarily ) take over control of sovereign serbian territory.
Interestingly it was just yesterday that Serbs here were assuring themselves that Prishtina would never declare independence, let alone be recognized. I feel that they are setting themselves up for another disappointment.
The ICJ is obviously the highest court of international law in the world, and after the UN General Assembly has asked for an option on Pristina's UDI, it begs the following question; after the ICJ rules in favor of Serbia's position, how will it react? Will it respect the rule of international law from its highest source, thereby agreeing to be bound by it voluntarily, or will it disrespect the rule of law and the ICJ (and thereby the UN Charter, Resolution 1244 and the Helsinki Act of 1975) and the UN itself, and show itself to be nothing more than an illegitimate outlaw region, which legally is Serbian territory. Pristina is scared to death of the ICJ's ruling because it will be based on the rule of international law. The West, on the other hand, will have no choice but to respect it.
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