New BBC documentary on KLA camps

I just saw the corresponding report on the BBC website. Slow but surely the truth is filtering through to the West. This is eventually going to bite Mr. Thaci in the butt.

"The broadcaster states that Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci has rejected the accusations, stating that he is aware that certain individuals “abused KLA uniforms,“ but that the KLA distanced itself from such acts."

To all the Albanian posters - If Thaci admits to knowing about war crimes, how come the "democratic state of Kosovo" hasn't tracked down and prosecuted any Albanians? You've had 10 years to gather evidence. Serbia is prosecuting individuals, why not Kosovo? Are you in denial about Albanian crimes?

Yes Olf - Serbian propaganda. A BBC production by an American journalist, a Tirana based freelance journalist and a reporter from "Korrieri" a Tirana daily.

Talk about denial!

Good to finally see some investigative reporting from the 'other side' of events for a change.

I've seen more professional 'investigations' on Scooby Doo than the majority of those previously broadcast.

I am glad to see that this long overdue story is finally being covered, but as far as I can tell it's only being broadcast twice: Crossing Continents, BBC Radio 4 Thursday 9 April, 1100 BST; and on Newsnight, BBC 2 Thursday 9 April, 2230 BST.

That's hardly major coverage. I hope that other news outlets pick up the story.

Here is the BBC article. Check http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7990761.stm

It's quite sickening really and hopefully this signals a change in attitude coming from the West.

'Nothing is true until documented.'

Do you realise how much that statement says about you?

Slowly the truth is comming out! What's surprising is that the UK is behind this investigation. However, the truth can not be ignored for eternity, not even by the "new world order (US/UK)".

A few weeks ago our Albanian friends here were adamant all of this was fabricated Serb propaganda. Now that it's being reported on BBC, there can be only one logical answer:

The BBC has been taken over by Serb MUPs. It has to be so. Everything I hear about Albanians on this site leads me to believe these guys are the most peace-loving people with the highest regard for multiethnic democratic co-existence.

And if Thaci the visionary says it's all lies, then it must be dirty propaganda.

Finally the truth is coming out! Thanks God and be prepared to hear some more hell stories from the KLA workshop!
Justice will prevail

B92

Why is Olf the troll published here. BBC report and he/she spews hate about Serb propaganda?

BBC too little too late.

You were instrumental in organising the destruction of Serbia and it's people and now you have the gaul to balance your articles with Albo Snake Thaci getting to have his say in your article. Never afforded this to Serbs in the past with your Bee Bee Cee protocol 'journalism'.

Flamur: "If the British proceed with broadcasting these lies then they must expect severe repercussions. A friend who betrays you is worse than an enemy and should be dealt with as such."

Flamur - that sounds very much like a threat. That is the sort of behaviour which reflects the very worst impression of Kosovo Albanians.

The best comes from the Albanian people who were brave enough to speak out, despite everything. Respect to them and I hope that the BBC realises its responsibility to keep them safe.

I also respect the Serbian courts for trying war crimes, because while it may stick in the throat of many Serbs while Pristina has done nothing against war crimes, it shows that Serbia as a nation is moving on as a modern, European country.

Meanwhile, I am sure that your threats have been noted, Flamur.

We have the right to speak out and for the media to do its job (properly for a change). Several of my own British family died as a result of defending that right when they fought on the same side as Serbia not that long ago.

It makes a mockery to hear someone who heralds independence yet flies the flag of another nation, and uses newfound 'democracy' to threaten others. That's not how it's supposed to work.

Olf, quit the denials already. Both sides committed atrocities. The only difference is that one side's atrocities were blown out of proportion in order to engage in illegal bombing of innocent people...and the extent of the other side's atrocities are just starting to be revealed to the outside world. wake up and smell the...

Olf, Olf, Olf, it is about time that the truth is known. You may think that just because the West backed you then, they view the KLA as a liberation force (once they were viewed as terrorists, you know, even by the USA) and stand behind them at all times, but this is the BBC we are talking about (the cream of Western media). Doesn't this make you uncomfortable in any way?

It's no surprize that Kosovo is the poorest and most corrupt region in the Balkans, it is not the Serbs who are to blame, for it is the Yugoslavs that built the region's infrastructure, but I think the problem is with who is in charge now:

EU parliamentarians displeased about Kosovo's anti-corruption efforts

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-04/08/content_11145662.htm

Why can't the Albanians just vote people into power who are not involved in the mafia or the KLA terrorists? You would see, the country would be FAR better off.

Finally some news telling the other side of the story! More evidence that Western support for "independent Kosovo" is waning. I hope many people in the U.S. read these news articles to see who we really supported in 1999.

Kosovo is Serbia. No matter how many terrorists organisations americans raise there it will always be Serb land. Sooner or later politics will change and Serb troops will be stationed in pristina again. Its a vicious circle but it would be boring otherwise.

Wow, the BBC have not only reported about this once today but twice! What's going on here? Are they planning to arrest some Albanian leaders?

Here is an extract. Check http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7990984.stm for the full article.

Yet another source spoke of driving trucks packed with shackled prisoners - mainly Serbian civilians from Kosovo - to secret locations in Albania where they were eventually killed.

He recalled hearing two of the captives begging to be shot rather than tortured and "cut into pieces".

"I was sick. I was just waiting for it to end," the source told me. "It was hard. I thought we were fighting a war [of liberation] but this was something completely different."

It has taken these men 10 years to speak to an outsider about the dark side of the war. They were breaking a code of silence that has held strong in Kosovo.

The leaders of the KLA along with the leaders in power in Albania at that time need to be tried and imprisoned for these horrible crimes.

At last the criminals of the KLA are beeen exposed (not before time) and the biggest criminal of them all, Thaci.

Stand firm Serbia! Churchill did this in WW2, and against all the odds was victorious!

Victory will be yours Serbia because in the end the law does prevail!

Why now? A very good question. The West has known all the crimes against Serbs for years and years now. Serbs are the biggest victims from these wars in fact. Serbs in Croatia suffered two genocides in the same century, in WWII and in 1995 - the first time the horrific Ustashe Croat Nazis did the deeds, the second time with the help of the US and Germany. Serbs in Bosnia suffered horrific crimes at the hands of foreign mujaheddin holy warriors (which are sick and can be found on youtube) and warlords such as Nasir Oric who were somehow 'innocent' even though they bragged about killing civilians. Serbs in Kosovo suffered probably the most horrific crimes at the hands of the KLA terrorists (who were on the CIA list of terrorist groups before conveniently being removed from it before the illegal 78 day bombing - another brutal war crime), including getting their organs removed for profit. We Serbs know the truth, and we will make sure the world knows the truth about who here are the 'bad guys' and who are the 'good guys'. It is no different from WWI and WWII, just look who sided with whom. The main difference now is that Germany has managed to hoodwink the gullible west to support their old allies. The Hague is nothing but a sham which was created to rewrite history and justify the crimes of NATO and croats/bosnian muslims/albanians - it really is as simple as that. No Serbs should recognize that political kangaroo court, it is an abomination.

So why report this now? I think the reason is that the US is losing power and they know it (they are bankrupt), and at the same time they see Serbia getting closer and closer to a resurgent Russia. Germany and the US are very afraid of having a strong Russian ally, independent and not a member of the EU or NATO, in the midddle of Europe. That would screw up their colonial plans for the region and set a bad example for all those independent minded small nations of the world. Now perhaps they are planning to show that after all the genocide, land theft, lies and anti-Serb propoganda, kangaroo courts, brutal sanctions, and the Serb hating they have sponsored over the last 15 years...perhaps they are going to do something to try to show the Serbian public that they really are not biased against them - and try to pull them away from Russia. They have tried everything by now to subjugate the Serbs, and it has still now worked. It seems that maybe they are throwing their hands up and trying a different strategy.

Only time will tell. The only thing I know for sure is that the truth always comes out in the end, and the truth is on the Serbian side. There WILL be justice.
Cheers!!

This is just the tip of the iceberg. The crimes committed by uck are horrific!! The world public needs to know the truth - how they were lied to by american and british media.

The Albanian culture is run by tribal customs, the KLA has convinced most those leaders to tow the line or else be killed.

Rugova was threatened with his life but Milosevic saved him and his family by putting him in protective custody as the KLA were planning his murder.

The hypocrite Thaci is laying wreaths on Rugova's gravesite but when he was alive was ordering his death.

Yes, Alabanians are terrified and cannot voice any opinion contrary to what the KLA and UCK terrorists say and who for now are running the region.

If crimes commited then they must be punished.

Simple as that!!

"If the British proceed with broadcasting these lies then they must expect severe repercussions. A friend who betrays you is worse than an enemy and should be dealt with as such."

Hummm... is Snake Thaci going to get his family's mafia men after them?

Brawn instead of brain?

Do not bite the hand that feeds you.

Why now? Why the interest by the BBC on these old stories?

Much of this has been known about for a very long time and was even reported, if only to be rubbished as 'serb propaganda'.

NATO countries have deliberately been hiding the information that they have too.

So again, why now? It seems to me that this may be an attempt by the western political commissars to make EULEX credible and 'acceptable'.

Contrary to the words coming from the west about human rights, morals etc. they have proved time and time again that they will deal/negotiate with murderers and criminals when it suits their own foreign policy interests, even covering up for them too. The 'free' liberal media seems quite happy to look the other way too when it coincides with their black and white view of events.

Those Albanians that have come forward with these horrific stories deserve a medal! All war crimes should be punsihed, regardless of who the victims were.

# 4

Did you really expect leaders like Ceku and Thaci to arrest their own partners in crime? Or leaders like Clinton and Bush W to encourage them? The fact is that Clinton and Bush did everything in their power to prevent the truth from coming out about the KLA and Albanian Atrocities. Bush even censored the fictional movie "Taken" until his term in office ended so his ratings wouldn't dip to a single digit. One should not expect Thaci to go against his main sponsor the US, and expose the truth that would leave a black mark on both of their illusions.

in case anybody missed the second part of the report, here it is:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7990984.stm Horrors of KLA prison camps revealed

Doesn't it strike a chord with anyone that innocent civilian's organs may have been harvested for profit?
I don't remember any Serbian organizations or individuals being accused of such horrific atrocities.


Craig

...and the truth will set you free. Finally truth coming out from within the veils of all the lies and denial.

If the British proceed with broadcasting these lies then they must expect severe repercussions. A friend who betrays you is worse than an enemy and should be dealt with as such.
(Flamur, 9 April 2009 17:12)

How exactly is that? You sound like that mouse who feel in the barrel of wine and then challenged the cat to a fight. What can you possibly do to the British?

Anyway, if serbs dont want this things to happen, they must not have gone to war with Kosova.
(Amantia, 9 April 2009 22:29)

Sure, the Serbs brought it all on themselves. They deserved to be butchered and they deserved to be the victims of war crimes. I suppose Hitler must've told himself the same thing when he gassed so many Jews.

And BH, no, nobody expects five star hotels but except maybe the Bosniaks. Don't you remember the outcry of the western media about the camps run by the Serbs? One very skinny man was photographed near all the other normal weight people and the Serbs were likened to Nazis as a result. When a small independent newspaper in England tried to question that photo, the Guardian took them to court and they shut them down. Hey that was a camp and not a five star hotel but there was so much outrage then. Why dismiss this one with what you just said? Muslims deserve five star treatments in prison but Serbs should know where they are and no pity on them.
Prison camps are run as a part of war, true but there are prison camps, and there are prison camps.
Your lot had some good ones in Bosnia too. I'm sure they meed with your standards as long as they house Serbs.

Serbian state killed Albanians because of hate ....
KLA killing was done democratically....and organ harvesting was done not because of hate ...but for prosperity of future kosova democracy
(jo, 10 April 2009 02:16)

At first I thought this statement was made out of sarcasm, but seeing how kosov"a" was written I have my doubts. If this was an attempt at sarcasm that's fine, if not than I have a small statement of my own regarding such a comment.

This type of thinking is sick, ugly and demented (someone needs to buy a conscience). I am for free speech big time, but I feel that B92 should have thrown this statement in the recycle bin.

I pray to GOD every day that the evil politicians, soldiers and journalists from 'The West', who plagued, plundered, persecuted and slandered the Serb Nation, will suffer and continue to suffer until they repent and make amends for their crimes against Serbs since 1989.

By 'The West' here, I am referring to the USA, UK, France and especially, 'Greater Germany' (they know who I mean).

MB,Ireland

Nothing is true until documented. After all, documentary is talking about 18 war prisoners with no eveidence.
How can you compare a case with no evidence of 18 war prisoners with 100ths of civlians massacred by Serbs?
Serbian propaganda at work but failed agian.

The next stage is for the west to realise that decent peaceful Serbs were being forced out of Kosovo long before Milosevic.

The Albanians have long pursued the goal of a monoethnic state and have had support for their goal from a rather gullible NATO. NATO intervened because of genuine humanitarian issues, but their forcing of the UDI has wrongly rewarded the years of ethnic cleansing of Serbs.

For years Serbs paid taxes for Kosovo - at the same time the term 'ethnic cleansing' came into use to describe the activities of the Albanian Kosovo communist party. Why did NATO reward that?

The truth is on its way....


Kidnappings, disappearances with UN and NATO present
10:18 WASHINGTON, April 10 Senior researcher for Human Rights Watch (HRW) Fred Abrahams has said that a BBC documentary on secret camps managed by the Kosovo Liberation Army (UCK) and the revenge murders of hundreds of Kosovo Serbs, Roma and Albanians, is extremely disturbing, but hardly surprising.

In August 1999, two months following the end of the war and the arrival of the international peacekeeping force KFOR in Kosovo, HRW released a report about attacks on Serbs and Roma, Abrahams said. HRW knew already at that time that revenge attacks were taking place in plain sight of the international forces, he said, speaking for the Serbian-language service of Voice of America (VOA).

In MAy 2008, HRW sent a letter to the governments of Kosovo and Albania and to then United States (US) President George Bush seeking the opening of investigations into the fates of the Serbs who had gone missing in Kosovo, and also an improvement of the situation concerning human rights of minorities in the environments where they live, Abrahams said.

No reply was received. The two governments rejected these accusations, he said, but BBC investigative reporters are now starting to collect evidence about it all.

Hundreds of persons went missing or were executed , Abrahams said.

According to the figures of the United Nations (UN) and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), the number of missing ethnic Albanians is around 1,500 and of Serbs around 400. These Serbs went missing after June 1999. It is espcially important to underscore that the mentioned abductions and disappearances took place in the presence of the UN and NATO, Abrahams pointed out. These organizations must provide the answer how this could have happened and say whether they had carried out actual investigations, he said.

Specifically, the UN administration in Kosovo UNMIK should be asked whether they seriously took into consideration the allegations about these kidnappings and murders and whether they had launched an investigation, and, if not, why they failed to do so, Abrahams told VOA.

It is important to stress that the BBC documentary shows that Serbs were not the only victims, he said.

The UCK carried out kidnappings, tortured and murdered also members of their own nation, ethnic Albanians. This is therefore not an ethnic issue. Many of the victims were Serbs, that is undeniable, but there were also ethnic Albanians among them, Abrahams said.

EA,

Actually, I even can't figure out for sure what "non linked KLA individuals" means. EA, could you provide some light?

To those minimizing these criminal acts against Serb, Roma, Albanian, and other civilians by saying they were revenge killings or what have you, the fact is that Serbs already paid heavily for anything they did. In fact, they paid disproportionately. Remember, US officials said that they were PREVENTING Serbs from killing Albanians, supposing that if they did not bomb Serbia, Serbs would have slaughtered Albanian civilians. Thus, they acted upon an assumption, irrespective of its validity. Yet to this day, I don't believe a single Albanian has been punished for any crime against a Serb, although I may be wrong. So now, some of the truth is coming out in mainstream media sources, although scholars have been publishing about these atrocities and others for years, see for example:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13130
At any rate, it's time that you all feel what the Serbs have felt. A war crime is a war crime no matter who did it.

# 17

I don't think you want to go there.

All missing persons from Kosova's war:

1,500 K-Albanians
300+ Serbs
200- others

are all dead.

And it is not mystery that they haven't died from natural death.

With that a crime was committed.

Every life is precious but 1500 and 300 is 5 times more, it is STATE and not self-organised and armed willing to revenge their dearest’s and their pride.

When you add on that that the forensic Serbian teams have until now identified almost 10,000 K-Albanians killed by Serbia and now found in mass graves in Serbia this makes stronger and without ambiguity that the State of Serbia organised and executed mass killings and hide their crime by taking dead bodies in Serbia now this acknowledged also by Hague court.

I still remember Lamberto Dini’s words at that time Italian FM when asked but now there are cases of revenge from K-Albanians he replied: well if I was a Kosovar probably I would have done the same.

"..he is aware that certain individuals “abused KLA uniforms,“ but that the KLA distanced itself from such acts."

That answer all questions. The perpetrators should be punished. Full stop! But the Serbian attempt to throw mud on KLA has failed and will fail. Serbia would love to draw a comperison between the crims committed by Serbian state and some crimes committed by KLA or non linked KLA individuals.
(EA, 9 April 2009 21:13"

All the Serbs I know are well aware of the crimes committed in their name and all they seek is that others should be judged as they were. It is not about proportionality, it is about justice. And for too long we have been served the clear cut good and bad when it was never that simple.

Nothing excuses Serbian crimes no matter how much posters on here protest the innocence of the Serbian regime - they are flawed extremists. Just like none of the excuses you make justifies anything committed in the name of a "freedom fighting" struggle. You are just the same.

Don't you just want the truth? or are you so arrogant that you think you know already?

It is very clear that Serbian authorities together with civilian society have merged their efforts of puting Kosovo and it's people as agressor, and trying to put themselves as victims. I have one question ? Are you completely fool? Or you think (as a society) that you can take the role of the victim after the rest of the world has seen what you have done to Kosovo Albanians in 1999?!! Historicly, you have done that, and you have successed 90% , but you can not "vanish" crimes that TV camera have recorded, eye - witnesses have seen, whole families killed, father murdered, son's massacred mother and sister raped, and you are trying to present yourself as a peacfull and democratic nation? 1999 is not too far, I have to refresh your memory. It is true that we as two nations, Kosovar Albanians and Serbs, must move on forward, but do not try to vanish something that all World knows. Have a great day and by the way (go too bbc archive to see about massacres in 1999).

to laidon, no.53:

if there are fools here then it´s those who write the name of Serbia´s southern province with an "a" at the end.

it´s not only Olf who is writing nonsense here, so don´t be to harsh with him, it´s all those narrow-minded kiddies who still do not realize that they are being duped.

but truth has no owner, and sooner or later our dear albanian friends will see how their "newborn" will collapse.

let´s just see what future brings. :)

to Albanian posters:
there is a thick line between killing in the war and torturing and butchering civilians to harvest their organs in the DEATH CAMPS!! The organization and planning of this atrocities is comparable to Nazi Doctor Mengele.
But if you don't mind me noticing, you guys obviously cannot tell the difference between the casualties of war and a Nazi-style atrocity.

Re: # 53

About the photos and "news" film footage that you are mentioning----All informed groups and individuals know as a fact that a great majority of those photos and film footage that the world saw on the news were in fact KLA atrocities commited against other Albanians which saw things different than they did. Also, many of the dead KLA fighters in uniforms were disrobed and dressed like civilians before the Western Media was called to film and interview false witnesses. These are all documented facts, so please enough of trying to pass-off that long ago discredited CNN garbage. It's 2009!

If true, those allegations are hideous. It means that KLA forces openly targeted civilians.

However, at the same time, there's plenty of evidence of Serb troops attacking civilians as well.

This only goes to show that people get carried away during war, especially if it is a war for liberation. It's all in the past and we must move on.

Serbia will want to investigate these claims; the Albanians will respond by wanting to investigate the hundreds of Albanians missing when they were taken to Serbia by the truckloads.

What are you people getting so excited about? That article doesn't say anything conclusive. So, there were prison camps, and? What did you expect, five star hotel?

If the British proceed with broadcasting these lies then they must expect severe repercussions. A friend who betrays you is worse than an enemy and should be dealt with as such.

"Peggy, can you point me in the direction of some articles about the Guardian taking newspaper to court over the photo please. I missed that event and I would like to read up on it. Thanks."
(UK, 10 April 2009 10:08)

UK, I said The Guardina but in fact is was the ITN corporation (I think the Guardian is part of it) who sued. Noam Chomsky said all this in an interview.

Here is a link to that interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AapFe-C6tB4&feature=related

I do hope that this is posted and you get this link. Noam
Chomsky interview is in quite a few parts and he goes in detail about all that happened armed with facts and figures.

Please take the time to watch this part at least and you will hear him speak of the court case which ruined this tiny newspaper. Since you obviously live in England you may be familiar with it.

Unfortunately I don't know of an article but an this interview is a good one and offers quite a lot of information.

@48,UK.

Here is one article dealing with this issue of a paper being sued.

http://www.mediachannel.org/views/oped/whitehead.shtml

I hope this is helpful as well.

the article in BBC has nothing.. just few imaginative people, supposed to be Albanians, but who refer to Albanians in third person.
The BBC put two articles, but the first one didnt make sense and there was no flow in the argument, then they decided to put more of the same propaganda. An investigations needs facts, videos, documents, witness, place of crime, the victims, etc.
There is no such thing.
Our war was a clean war, cleaner than that of the serbs.

Anyway, if serbs dont want this things to happen, they must not have gone to war with Kosova.

"The Albanian culture is run by tribal customs, the KLA has convinced most those leaders to tow the line or else be killed. "

Apparently you have no clue how true clan life is. If it was clan life, the entire clan would defend their own blood, no matter who attacked them. Kosova hasn't been clannish since...late 1800's.

For the record: everyone knew horrible thing were committed, acts of revenge etc. The difference is if the leadership (i.e. state) condones it.

All leaders and individuals who really knew and approved should go in jail.

"..he is aware that certain individuals “abused KLA uniforms,“ but that the KLA distanced itself from such acts."

That answer all questions. The perpetrators should be punished. Full stop! But the Serbian attempt to throw mud on KLA has failed and will fail. Serbia would love to draw a comperison between the crims committed by Serbian state and some crimes committed by KLA or non linked KLA individuals.

Aplogies to hose that my post might have offended.
My post reflected on the non existence of the evidence for this matter and it si not worst from any other posts coming form Serbs, by the way, I am not Kosovan eventhough I live in Kosova.

It makes a mockery to hear someone who heralds independence yet flies the flag of another nation, and uses newfound 'democracy' to threaten others. That's not how it's supposed to work.
(kate, 9 April 2009 18:51)

Dearest Kate, democracy is now precisely what we choose it to be, no more, no less. We no longer want or need the British and you have no role here. Britain has lots of ex-colonies if you need someone to lecture about democracy.

To MB Ireland #44
You pray to God that “The West “will suffer and continue to suffer until they repent.... “ and you define the West as “USA, UK, France and especially, 'Greater Germany'”.

Do you include Ireland in your list? After all, Ireland offered sanctuary during and after WWII to fascists (including Ustaša) whilst brave Brits, Yanks and Serbs fought fascism?

Incidentally, to those who talk about BBC only presenting anti serb viewpoint until now; I remember the Chief Foreign Correspondent (John Simpson) reporting on and criticising NATO bombs which fell on innocent civilians – on primetime BBC news. Some, especially on the political right, were angry about this. The BBC made a statement that they are independent of any government and will continue to file reports, even if governments are embarrassed by them. John Simpson wrote
“I did a story from Belgrade which demonstrated that the bombing was creating more, rather than less, support for Milosevic. Tony Blair was so upset that he attacked me personally in the Commons.”

See links http://www.medialens.org/alerts/06/060614_the_bbcs_john.php and http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/apr1999/press-a20.shtml


So please separate the actions of governments from the people of that country. Otherwise you’re no better than all the misguided folks who wrongly believe that all Serbs are like Milosevic.

GRUK

Reading the posts on this website it is clear that the hate between Serbs and Albanians is never ending and their is plenty of fuel here for future blood letting. I hope the EU never lets these blood thirsty tribes join - we don't need them.

To jc #56
That's what I was writting about on my previous comment. You can sell those lies to your friends and blood - brothers Russians and your other friends Chinese, North Korea, Iran, Bolivia, Cuba and CO but not to western democracies and other states where Human rights and freedom of speech are among the top priorities. You are trying to tell us that ethnic cleansing did not happen in KosovA (p.s I suggest you not to judge people how they write but what they write) and just for your remember only RTS has acted like nothing is happening in Kosova. You admit it or not, your state under the rule of Milosevic did the worst things and that in 1999 (not to far from 2009), every single person in this planet can give you facts about this and of course you know that. As fast as you accept this, your son and my son will have a better future.

To Jovan #57

NEWBORN is born, it will last longer then any other state because it's young, fresh and full energy. There are still people and always will be in the future to take care of IT. Try to take some lessons from your greatest leader now, Cedomir Jovanovic, do not try to kill him, but learn from him how to respect others, especially to apologise to Albanians, Bosniacs and Croats. Jovan future has come for us, we have worked for it in the past, you are the one now who has to work for a better future.

Serbian state killed Albanians because of hate ....
KLA killing was done democratically....and organ harvesting was done not because of hate ...but for prosperity of future kosova democracy

woooa... "from thousands of victim's" only one has witnessed ...What a story to make money..But hey I will like to see proves as proves proved how Serbians masacred civilians in ex Yugoslavia

Peggy, can you point me in the direction of some articles about the Guardian taking newspaper to court over the photo please. I missed that event and I would like to read up on it. Thanks.

I read 60 comments, and I am still surprised how everybody can be so blind (my apologies if this offends you).

Serbia is setting the stage for the International Court of Justice session, due to begin really soon. They will quote "BBC" over and over in their case.

They needed this to attempt to prove that “KLA was terrorist and the Serb Police/Army was acting in self defense”

It is very easy to launch stories like these with "unidentified witnesses" through connections that the hired PR firms (that have been hired by both sides) have in all networks.

Kudos to them - they are doing a good job. Too bad that the Tribunal does not consider BBC reports a serious evidence.

By the way, didn’t the same court reject Serbia’s complaint against NATO in 2004?

To#47-Olf
Don't worry about not being Kosovar and just living there-neither are most Albaniens. Most of them just came from Albania and now calling themselves Kosovars.

I am glad to hear the BBC is doing more presently to report and reveal factually, the war crimes and human horrors committed by the KLA against Serbs, Roma and others non conforming to the KLA ideology for an independent Kosovo during Bill Clinton's Kosovo Crisis 1999.

If CNN (in America), and, the Western European news media had portrayed these facts in 1999 when the Kosovo war was ongoing and active, the scenario today in 2009 insofar as Kosovo independence and Karadzzic and other people from Serbia accused of war crimes would be extremely inverse to what is objectively taking place today with regard to the aforementioned.

Jill Starr NJ USA

“You Albanians are ready to belive every ridiculous claim you read about which makes the Serbs look bad but something as real al destruction of websites and property you brush off as kids being kids.

More hypocritical you cannot get.”
“Everyone knows that you cannot claim having an organ removed without having evidence of that. Anyway, they can only claim kidney removal. How can they claim heart of lungs being removed?”
Peggy,
First of all my posts here represent my opinion/s, as an individual, therefore if I believe or disbelieve something has nothing to do with Albanians believing or disbelieving.
Second, the article itself and the police report on this issue don’t mention any organ in particular, while you’re mentioning heart, lungs, and kidney.
You say that you cannot claim having an organ removed without having evidence of that, what I agree, because it is too simple to tell. But what you can do is say that “I saw a lot, I saw them beat and torture people” or “I heard something about how the prisoners or their kidneys were being transported to the airport. I heard that they were headed to Turkey”. (Taken from BBC reporting on the issue).
Questions to you: Do you have any evidence that organs were removed from Serbs and other non Serbs in the camps in Albania? Do you have any evidence that those camps existed in the first place?
If, not, how come you believe such a story, while you accuse Albanians of being hypocrites, since they tend to believe some official reporting issued by Police. When BBC reported on the issue http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=58397#hrono , you and other Serb camp immediately jumped to conclude and believe the whole story, a media reporting. There were posts saying that “these crimes are only a small portion of the iceberg” etc. Isn’t this hypocrisy in itself?
“I wonder if Carla was also interested in getting an apartment and a car in Blegrade.

What would be her reason for lying?”
Please correct me if I’m wrong, as far as I remember, the story of organ removal, i.e. the yellow house came from Carla Del Ponte’s book. That’s where it all started, so probably a good investigation would prove that it ends all there, with Carla Del Ponte and her book.

Nothing is true until documented. After all, documentary is talking about 18 war prisoners with no eveidence.
How can you compare a case with no evidence of 18 war prisoners with 100ths of civlians massacred by Serbs?
Serbian propaganda at work but failed agian.

If the British proceed with broadcasting these lies then they must expect severe repercussions. A friend who betrays you is worse than an enemy and should be dealt with as such.

All missing persons from Kosova's war:

1,500 K-Albanians
300+ Serbs
200- others

are all dead.

And it is not mystery that they haven't died from natural death.

With that a crime was committed.

Every life is precious but 1500 and 300 is 5 times more, it is STATE and not self-organised and armed willing to revenge their dearest’s and their pride.

When you add on that that the forensic Serbian teams have until now identified almost 10,000 K-Albanians killed by Serbia and now found in mass graves in Serbia this makes stronger and without ambiguity that the State of Serbia organised and executed mass killings and hide their crime by taking dead bodies in Serbia now this acknowledged also by Hague court.

I still remember Lamberto Dini’s words at that time Italian FM when asked but now there are cases of revenge from K-Albanians he replied: well if I was a Kosovar probably I would have done the same.

the article in BBC has nothing.. just few imaginative people, supposed to be Albanians, but who refer to Albanians in third person.
The BBC put two articles, but the first one didnt make sense and there was no flow in the argument, then they decided to put more of the same propaganda. An investigations needs facts, videos, documents, witness, place of crime, the victims, etc.
There is no such thing.
Our war was a clean war, cleaner than that of the serbs.

Anyway, if serbs dont want this things to happen, they must not have gone to war with Kosova.

"..he is aware that certain individuals “abused KLA uniforms,“ but that the KLA distanced itself from such acts."

That answer all questions. The perpetrators should be punished. Full stop! But the Serbian attempt to throw mud on KLA has failed and will fail. Serbia would love to draw a comperison between the crims committed by Serbian state and some crimes committed by KLA or non linked KLA individuals.

What are you people getting so excited about? That article doesn't say anything conclusive. So, there were prison camps, and? What did you expect, five star hotel?

If true, those allegations are hideous. It means that KLA forces openly targeted civilians.

However, at the same time, there's plenty of evidence of Serb troops attacking civilians as well.

This only goes to show that people get carried away during war, especially if it is a war for liberation. It's all in the past and we must move on.

Serbia will want to investigate these claims; the Albanians will respond by wanting to investigate the hundreds of Albanians missing when they were taken to Serbia by the truckloads.

It is very clear that Serbian authorities together with civilian society have merged their efforts of puting Kosovo and it's people as agressor, and trying to put themselves as victims. I have one question ? Are you completely fool? Or you think (as a society) that you can take the role of the victim after the rest of the world has seen what you have done to Kosovo Albanians in 1999?!! Historicly, you have done that, and you have successed 90% , but you can not "vanish" crimes that TV camera have recorded, eye - witnesses have seen, whole families killed, father murdered, son's massacred mother and sister raped, and you are trying to present yourself as a peacfull and democratic nation? 1999 is not too far, I have to refresh your memory. It is true that we as two nations, Kosovar Albanians and Serbs, must move on forward, but do not try to vanish something that all World knows. Have a great day and by the way (go too bbc archive to see about massacres in 1999).

"The Albanian culture is run by tribal customs, the KLA has convinced most those leaders to tow the line or else be killed. "

Apparently you have no clue how true clan life is. If it was clan life, the entire clan would defend their own blood, no matter who attacked them. Kosova hasn't been clannish since...late 1800's.

For the record: everyone knew horrible thing were committed, acts of revenge etc. The difference is if the leadership (i.e. state) condones it.

All leaders and individuals who really knew and approved should go in jail.

Serbian state killed Albanians because of hate ....
KLA killing was done democratically....and organ harvesting was done not because of hate ...but for prosperity of future kosova democracy

I just saw the corresponding report on the BBC website. Slow but surely the truth is filtering through to the West. This is eventually going to bite Mr. Thaci in the butt.

Good to finally see some investigative reporting from the 'other side' of events for a change.

I've seen more professional 'investigations' on Scooby Doo than the majority of those previously broadcast.

I am glad to see that this long overdue story is finally being covered, but as far as I can tell it's only being broadcast twice: Crossing Continents, BBC Radio 4 Thursday 9 April, 1100 BST; and on Newsnight, BBC 2 Thursday 9 April, 2230 BST.

That's hardly major coverage. I hope that other news outlets pick up the story.

woooa... "from thousands of victim's" only one has witnessed ...What a story to make money..But hey I will like to see proves as proves proved how Serbians masacred civilians in ex Yugoslavia

It makes a mockery to hear someone who heralds independence yet flies the flag of another nation, and uses newfound 'democracy' to threaten others. That's not how it's supposed to work.
(kate, 9 April 2009 18:51)

Dearest Kate, democracy is now precisely what we choose it to be, no more, no less. We no longer want or need the British and you have no role here. Britain has lots of ex-colonies if you need someone to lecture about democracy.

Slowly the truth is comming out! What's surprising is that the UK is behind this investigation. However, the truth can not be ignored for eternity, not even by the "new world order (US/UK)".

B92

Why is Olf the troll published here. BBC report and he/she spews hate about Serb propaganda?

BBC too little too late.

You were instrumental in organising the destruction of Serbia and it's people and now you have the gaul to balance your articles with Albo Snake Thaci getting to have his say in your article. Never afforded this to Serbs in the past with your Bee Bee Cee protocol 'journalism'.

Aplogies to hose that my post might have offended.
My post reflected on the non existence of the evidence for this matter and it si not worst from any other posts coming form Serbs, by the way, I am not Kosovan eventhough I live in Kosova.

"..he is aware that certain individuals “abused KLA uniforms,“ but that the KLA distanced itself from such acts."

That answer all questions. The perpetrators should be punished. Full stop! But the Serbian attempt to throw mud on KLA has failed and will fail. Serbia would love to draw a comperison between the crims committed by Serbian state and some crimes committed by KLA or non linked KLA individuals.
(EA, 9 April 2009 21:13"

All the Serbs I know are well aware of the crimes committed in their name and all they seek is that others should be judged as they were. It is not about proportionality, it is about justice. And for too long we have been served the clear cut good and bad when it was never that simple.

Nothing excuses Serbian crimes no matter how much posters on here protest the innocence of the Serbian regime - they are flawed extremists. Just like none of the excuses you make justifies anything committed in the name of a "freedom fighting" struggle. You are just the same.

Don't you just want the truth? or are you so arrogant that you think you know already?

Finally the truth is coming out! Thanks God and be prepared to hear some more hell stories from the KLA workshop!
Justice will prevail

"The broadcaster states that Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci has rejected the accusations, stating that he is aware that certain individuals “abused KLA uniforms,“ but that the KLA distanced itself from such acts."

To all the Albanian posters - If Thaci admits to knowing about war crimes, how come the "democratic state of Kosovo" hasn't tracked down and prosecuted any Albanians? You've had 10 years to gather evidence. Serbia is prosecuting individuals, why not Kosovo? Are you in denial about Albanian crimes?

Here is the BBC article. Check http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7990761.stm

It's quite sickening really and hopefully this signals a change in attitude coming from the West.

Kosovo is Serbia. No matter how many terrorists organisations americans raise there it will always be Serb land. Sooner or later politics will change and Serb troops will be stationed in pristina again. Its a vicious circle but it would be boring otherwise.

Why now? A very good question. The West has known all the crimes against Serbs for years and years now. Serbs are the biggest victims from these wars in fact. Serbs in Croatia suffered two genocides in the same century, in WWII and in 1995 - the first time the horrific Ustashe Croat Nazis did the deeds, the second time with the help of the US and Germany. Serbs in Bosnia suffered horrific crimes at the hands of foreign mujaheddin holy warriors (which are sick and can be found on youtube) and warlords such as Nasir Oric who were somehow 'innocent' even though they bragged about killing civilians. Serbs in Kosovo suffered probably the most horrific crimes at the hands of the KLA terrorists (who were on the CIA list of terrorist groups before conveniently being removed from it before the illegal 78 day bombing - another brutal war crime), including getting their organs removed for profit. We Serbs know the truth, and we will make sure the world knows the truth about who here are the 'bad guys' and who are the 'good guys'. It is no different from WWI and WWII, just look who sided with whom. The main difference now is that Germany has managed to hoodwink the gullible west to support their old allies. The Hague is nothing but a sham which was created to rewrite history and justify the crimes of NATO and croats/bosnian muslims/albanians - it really is as simple as that. No Serbs should recognize that political kangaroo court, it is an abomination.

So why report this now? I think the reason is that the US is losing power and they know it (they are bankrupt), and at the same time they see Serbia getting closer and closer to a resurgent Russia. Germany and the US are very afraid of having a strong Russian ally, independent and not a member of the EU or NATO, in the midddle of Europe. That would screw up their colonial plans for the region and set a bad example for all those independent minded small nations of the world. Now perhaps they are planning to show that after all the genocide, land theft, lies and anti-Serb propoganda, kangaroo courts, brutal sanctions, and the Serb hating they have sponsored over the last 15 years...perhaps they are going to do something to try to show the Serbian public that they really are not biased against them - and try to pull them away from Russia. They have tried everything by now to subjugate the Serbs, and it has still now worked. It seems that maybe they are throwing their hands up and trying a different strategy.

Only time will tell. The only thing I know for sure is that the truth always comes out in the end, and the truth is on the Serbian side. There WILL be justice.
Cheers!!

To jc #56
That's what I was writting about on my previous comment. You can sell those lies to your friends and blood - brothers Russians and your other friends Chinese, North Korea, Iran, Bolivia, Cuba and CO but not to western democracies and other states where Human rights and freedom of speech are among the top priorities. You are trying to tell us that ethnic cleansing did not happen in KosovA (p.s I suggest you not to judge people how they write but what they write) and just for your remember only RTS has acted like nothing is happening in Kosova. You admit it or not, your state under the rule of Milosevic did the worst things and that in 1999 (not to far from 2009), every single person in this planet can give you facts about this and of course you know that. As fast as you accept this, your son and my son will have a better future.

To Jovan #57

NEWBORN is born, it will last longer then any other state because it's young, fresh and full energy. There are still people and always will be in the future to take care of IT. Try to take some lessons from your greatest leader now, Cedomir Jovanovic, do not try to kill him, but learn from him how to respect others, especially to apologise to Albanians, Bosniacs and Croats. Jovan future has come for us, we have worked for it in the past, you are the one now who has to work for a better future.

Finally some news telling the other side of the story! More evidence that Western support for "independent Kosovo" is waning. I hope many people in the U.S. read these news articles to see who we really supported in 1999.

I read 60 comments, and I am still surprised how everybody can be so blind (my apologies if this offends you).

Serbia is setting the stage for the International Court of Justice session, due to begin really soon. They will quote "BBC" over and over in their case.

They needed this to attempt to prove that “KLA was terrorist and the Serb Police/Army was acting in self defense”

It is very easy to launch stories like these with "unidentified witnesses" through connections that the hired PR firms (that have been hired by both sides) have in all networks.

Kudos to them - they are doing a good job. Too bad that the Tribunal does not consider BBC reports a serious evidence.

By the way, didn’t the same court reject Serbia’s complaint against NATO in 2004?

Reading the posts on this website it is clear that the hate between Serbs and Albanians is never ending and their is plenty of fuel here for future blood letting. I hope the EU never lets these blood thirsty tribes join - we don't need them.

Olf, Olf, Olf, it is about time that the truth is known. You may think that just because the West backed you then, they view the KLA as a liberation force (once they were viewed as terrorists, you know, even by the USA) and stand behind them at all times, but this is the BBC we are talking about (the cream of Western media). Doesn't this make you uncomfortable in any way?

It's no surprize that Kosovo is the poorest and most corrupt region in the Balkans, it is not the Serbs who are to blame, for it is the Yugoslavs that built the region's infrastructure, but I think the problem is with who is in charge now:

EU parliamentarians displeased about Kosovo's anti-corruption efforts

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-04/08/content_11145662.htm

Why can't the Albanians just vote people into power who are not involved in the mafia or the KLA terrorists? You would see, the country would be FAR better off.

I pray to GOD every day that the evil politicians, soldiers and journalists from 'The West', who plagued, plundered, persecuted and slandered the Serb Nation, will suffer and continue to suffer until they repent and make amends for their crimes against Serbs since 1989.

By 'The West' here, I am referring to the USA, UK, France and especially, 'Greater Germany' (they know who I mean).

MB,Ireland

to laidon, no.53:

if there are fools here then it´s those who write the name of Serbia´s southern province with an "a" at the end.

it´s not only Olf who is writing nonsense here, so don´t be to harsh with him, it´s all those narrow-minded kiddies who still do not realize that they are being duped.

but truth has no owner, and sooner or later our dear albanian friends will see how their "newborn" will collapse.

let´s just see what future brings. :)

At last the criminals of the KLA are beeen exposed (not before time) and the biggest criminal of them all, Thaci.

Stand firm Serbia! Churchill did this in WW2, and against all the odds was victorious!

Victory will be yours Serbia because in the end the law does prevail!

The leaders of the KLA along with the leaders in power in Albania at that time need to be tried and imprisoned for these horrible crimes.

to Albanian posters:
there is a thick line between killing in the war and torturing and butchering civilians to harvest their organs in the DEATH CAMPS!! The organization and planning of this atrocities is comparable to Nazi Doctor Mengele.
But if you don't mind me noticing, you guys obviously cannot tell the difference between the casualties of war and a Nazi-style atrocity.

Yes Olf - Serbian propaganda. A BBC production by an American journalist, a Tirana based freelance journalist and a reporter from "Korrieri" a Tirana daily.

Talk about denial!

Olf, quit the denials already. Both sides committed atrocities. The only difference is that one side's atrocities were blown out of proportion in order to engage in illegal bombing of innocent people...and the extent of the other side's atrocities are just starting to be revealed to the outside world. wake up and smell the...

A few weeks ago our Albanian friends here were adamant all of this was fabricated Serb propaganda. Now that it's being reported on BBC, there can be only one logical answer:

The BBC has been taken over by Serb MUPs. It has to be so. Everything I hear about Albanians on this site leads me to believe these guys are the most peace-loving people with the highest regard for multiethnic democratic co-existence.

And if Thaci the visionary says it's all lies, then it must be dirty propaganda.

If the British proceed with broadcasting these lies then they must expect severe repercussions. A friend who betrays you is worse than an enemy and should be dealt with as such.
(Flamur, 9 April 2009 17:12)

How exactly is that? You sound like that mouse who feel in the barrel of wine and then challenged the cat to a fight. What can you possibly do to the British?

Anyway, if serbs dont want this things to happen, they must not have gone to war with Kosova.
(Amantia, 9 April 2009 22:29)

Sure, the Serbs brought it all on themselves. They deserved to be butchered and they deserved to be the victims of war crimes. I suppose Hitler must've told himself the same thing when he gassed so many Jews.

And BH, no, nobody expects five star hotels but except maybe the Bosniaks. Don't you remember the outcry of the western media about the camps run by the Serbs? One very skinny man was photographed near all the other normal weight people and the Serbs were likened to Nazis as a result. When a small independent newspaper in England tried to question that photo, the Guardian took them to court and they shut them down. Hey that was a camp and not a five star hotel but there was so much outrage then. Why dismiss this one with what you just said? Muslims deserve five star treatments in prison but Serbs should know where they are and no pity on them.
Prison camps are run as a part of war, true but there are prison camps, and there are prison camps.
Your lot had some good ones in Bosnia too. I'm sure they meed with your standards as long as they house Serbs.

The truth is on its way....


Kidnappings, disappearances with UN and NATO present
10:18 WASHINGTON, April 10 Senior researcher for Human Rights Watch (HRW) Fred Abrahams has said that a BBC documentary on secret camps managed by the Kosovo Liberation Army (UCK) and the revenge murders of hundreds of Kosovo Serbs, Roma and Albanians, is extremely disturbing, but hardly surprising.

In August 1999, two months following the end of the war and the arrival of the international peacekeeping force KFOR in Kosovo, HRW released a report about attacks on Serbs and Roma, Abrahams said. HRW knew already at that time that revenge attacks were taking place in plain sight of the international forces, he said, speaking for the Serbian-language service of Voice of America (VOA).

In MAy 2008, HRW sent a letter to the governments of Kosovo and Albania and to then United States (US) President George Bush seeking the opening of investigations into the fates of the Serbs who had gone missing in Kosovo, and also an improvement of the situation concerning human rights of minorities in the environments where they live, Abrahams said.

No reply was received. The two governments rejected these accusations, he said, but BBC investigative reporters are now starting to collect evidence about it all.

Hundreds of persons went missing or were executed , Abrahams said.

According to the figures of the United Nations (UN) and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), the number of missing ethnic Albanians is around 1,500 and of Serbs around 400. These Serbs went missing after June 1999. It is espcially important to underscore that the mentioned abductions and disappearances took place in the presence of the UN and NATO, Abrahams pointed out. These organizations must provide the answer how this could have happened and say whether they had carried out actual investigations, he said.

Specifically, the UN administration in Kosovo UNMIK should be asked whether they seriously took into consideration the allegations about these kidnappings and murders and whether they had launched an investigation, and, if not, why they failed to do so, Abrahams told VOA.

It is important to stress that the BBC documentary shows that Serbs were not the only victims, he said.

The UCK carried out kidnappings, tortured and murdered also members of their own nation, ethnic Albanians. This is therefore not an ethnic issue. Many of the victims were Serbs, that is undeniable, but there were also ethnic Albanians among them, Abrahams said.

Wow, the BBC have not only reported about this once today but twice! What's going on here? Are they planning to arrest some Albanian leaders?

Here is an extract. Check http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7990984.stm for the full article.

Yet another source spoke of driving trucks packed with shackled prisoners - mainly Serbian civilians from Kosovo - to secret locations in Albania where they were eventually killed.

He recalled hearing two of the captives begging to be shot rather than tortured and "cut into pieces".

"I was sick. I was just waiting for it to end," the source told me. "It was hard. I thought we were fighting a war [of liberation] but this was something completely different."

It has taken these men 10 years to speak to an outsider about the dark side of the war. They were breaking a code of silence that has held strong in Kosovo.

Flamur: "If the British proceed with broadcasting these lies then they must expect severe repercussions. A friend who betrays you is worse than an enemy and should be dealt with as such."

Flamur - that sounds very much like a threat. That is the sort of behaviour which reflects the very worst impression of Kosovo Albanians.

The best comes from the Albanian people who were brave enough to speak out, despite everything. Respect to them and I hope that the BBC realises its responsibility to keep them safe.

I also respect the Serbian courts for trying war crimes, because while it may stick in the throat of many Serbs while Pristina has done nothing against war crimes, it shows that Serbia as a nation is moving on as a modern, European country.

Meanwhile, I am sure that your threats have been noted, Flamur.

We have the right to speak out and for the media to do its job (properly for a change). Several of my own British family died as a result of defending that right when they fought on the same side as Serbia not that long ago.

It makes a mockery to hear someone who heralds independence yet flies the flag of another nation, and uses newfound 'democracy' to threaten others. That's not how it's supposed to work.

The next stage is for the west to realise that decent peaceful Serbs were being forced out of Kosovo long before Milosevic.

The Albanians have long pursued the goal of a monoethnic state and have had support for their goal from a rather gullible NATO. NATO intervened because of genuine humanitarian issues, but their forcing of the UDI has wrongly rewarded the years of ethnic cleansing of Serbs.

For years Serbs paid taxes for Kosovo - at the same time the term 'ethnic cleansing' came into use to describe the activities of the Albanian Kosovo communist party. Why did NATO reward that?

To MB Ireland #44
You pray to God that “The West “will suffer and continue to suffer until they repent.... “ and you define the West as “USA, UK, France and especially, 'Greater Germany'”.

Do you include Ireland in your list? After all, Ireland offered sanctuary during and after WWII to fascists (including Ustaša) whilst brave Brits, Yanks and Serbs fought fascism?

Incidentally, to those who talk about BBC only presenting anti serb viewpoint until now; I remember the Chief Foreign Correspondent (John Simpson) reporting on and criticising NATO bombs which fell on innocent civilians – on primetime BBC news. Some, especially on the political right, were angry about this. The BBC made a statement that they are independent of any government and will continue to file reports, even if governments are embarrassed by them. John Simpson wrote
“I did a story from Belgrade which demonstrated that the bombing was creating more, rather than less, support for Milosevic. Tony Blair was so upset that he attacked me personally in the Commons.”

See links http://www.medialens.org/alerts/06/060614_the_bbcs_john.php and http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/apr1999/press-a20.shtml


So please separate the actions of governments from the people of that country. Otherwise you’re no better than all the misguided folks who wrongly believe that all Serbs are like Milosevic.

GRUK

'Nothing is true until documented.'

Do you realise how much that statement says about you?

in case anybody missed the second part of the report, here it is:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7990984.stm Horrors of KLA prison camps revealed

This is just the tip of the iceberg. The crimes committed by uck are horrific!! The world public needs to know the truth - how they were lied to by american and british media.

Re: # 53

About the photos and "news" film footage that you are mentioning----All informed groups and individuals know as a fact that a great majority of those photos and film footage that the world saw on the news were in fact KLA atrocities commited against other Albanians which saw things different than they did. Also, many of the dead KLA fighters in uniforms were disrobed and dressed like civilians before the Western Media was called to film and interview false witnesses. These are all documented facts, so please enough of trying to pass-off that long ago discredited CNN garbage. It's 2009!

Why now? Why the interest by the BBC on these old stories?

Much of this has been known about for a very long time and was even reported, if only to be rubbished as 'serb propaganda'.

NATO countries have deliberately been hiding the information that they have too.

So again, why now? It seems to me that this may be an attempt by the western political commissars to make EULEX credible and 'acceptable'.

Contrary to the words coming from the west about human rights, morals etc. they have proved time and time again that they will deal/negotiate with murderers and criminals when it suits their own foreign policy interests, even covering up for them too. The 'free' liberal media seems quite happy to look the other way too when it coincides with their black and white view of events.

The Albanian culture is run by tribal customs, the KLA has convinced most those leaders to tow the line or else be killed.

Rugova was threatened with his life but Milosevic saved him and his family by putting him in protective custody as the KLA were planning his murder.

The hypocrite Thaci is laying wreaths on Rugova's gravesite but when he was alive was ordering his death.

Yes, Alabanians are terrified and cannot voice any opinion contrary to what the KLA and UCK terrorists say and who for now are running the region.

...and the truth will set you free. Finally truth coming out from within the veils of all the lies and denial.

Doesn't it strike a chord with anyone that innocent civilian's organs may have been harvested for profit?
I don't remember any Serbian organizations or individuals being accused of such horrific atrocities.


Craig

If crimes commited then they must be punished.

Simple as that!!

"If the British proceed with broadcasting these lies then they must expect severe repercussions. A friend who betrays you is worse than an enemy and should be dealt with as such."

Hummm... is Snake Thaci going to get his family's mafia men after them?

Brawn instead of brain?

Do not bite the hand that feeds you.

Those Albanians that have come forward with these horrific stories deserve a medal! All war crimes should be punsihed, regardless of who the victims were.

# 4

Did you really expect leaders like Ceku and Thaci to arrest their own partners in crime? Or leaders like Clinton and Bush W to encourage them? The fact is that Clinton and Bush did everything in their power to prevent the truth from coming out about the KLA and Albanian Atrocities. Bush even censored the fictional movie "Taken" until his term in office ended so his ratings wouldn't dip to a single digit. One should not expect Thaci to go against his main sponsor the US, and expose the truth that would leave a black mark on both of their illusions.

EA,

Actually, I even can't figure out for sure what "non linked KLA individuals" means. EA, could you provide some light?

Peggy, can you point me in the direction of some articles about the Guardian taking newspaper to court over the photo please. I missed that event and I would like to read up on it. Thanks.

# 17

I don't think you want to go there.

To those minimizing these criminal acts against Serb, Roma, Albanian, and other civilians by saying they were revenge killings or what have you, the fact is that Serbs already paid heavily for anything they did. In fact, they paid disproportionately. Remember, US officials said that they were PREVENTING Serbs from killing Albanians, supposing that if they did not bomb Serbia, Serbs would have slaughtered Albanian civilians. Thus, they acted upon an assumption, irrespective of its validity. Yet to this day, I don't believe a single Albanian has been punished for any crime against a Serb, although I may be wrong. So now, some of the truth is coming out in mainstream media sources, although scholars have been publishing about these atrocities and others for years, see for example:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13130
At any rate, it's time that you all feel what the Serbs have felt. A war crime is a war crime no matter who did it.

Serbian state killed Albanians because of hate ....
KLA killing was done democratically....and organ harvesting was done not because of hate ...but for prosperity of future kosova democracy
(jo, 10 April 2009 02:16)

At first I thought this statement was made out of sarcasm, but seeing how kosov"a" was written I have my doubts. If this was an attempt at sarcasm that's fine, if not than I have a small statement of my own regarding such a comment.

This type of thinking is sick, ugly and demented (someone needs to buy a conscience). I am for free speech big time, but I feel that B92 should have thrown this statement in the recycle bin.

"Peggy, can you point me in the direction of some articles about the Guardian taking newspaper to court over the photo please. I missed that event and I would like to read up on it. Thanks."
(UK, 10 April 2009 10:08)

UK, I said The Guardina but in fact is was the ITN corporation (I think the Guardian is part of it) who sued. Noam Chomsky said all this in an interview.

Here is a link to that interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AapFe-C6tB4&feature=related

I do hope that this is posted and you get this link. Noam
Chomsky interview is in quite a few parts and he goes in detail about all that happened armed with facts and figures.

Please take the time to watch this part at least and you will hear him speak of the court case which ruined this tiny newspaper. Since you obviously live in England you may be familiar with it.

Unfortunately I don't know of an article but an this interview is a good one and offers quite a lot of information.

@48,UK.

Here is one article dealing with this issue of a paper being sued.

http://www.mediachannel.org/views/oped/whitehead.shtml

I hope this is helpful as well.

To#47-Olf
Don't worry about not being Kosovar and just living there-neither are most Albaniens. Most of them just came from Albania and now calling themselves Kosovars.

I am glad to hear the BBC is doing more presently to report and reveal factually, the war crimes and human horrors committed by the KLA against Serbs, Roma and others non conforming to the KLA ideology for an independent Kosovo during Bill Clinton's Kosovo Crisis 1999.

If CNN (in America), and, the Western European news media had portrayed these facts in 1999 when the Kosovo war was ongoing and active, the scenario today in 2009 insofar as Kosovo independence and Karadzzic and other people from Serbia accused of war crimes would be extremely inverse to what is objectively taking place today with regard to the aforementioned.

Jill Starr NJ USA

“You Albanians are ready to belive every ridiculous claim you read about which makes the Serbs look bad but something as real al destruction of websites and property you brush off as kids being kids.

More hypocritical you cannot get.”
“Everyone knows that you cannot claim having an organ removed without having evidence of that. Anyway, they can only claim kidney removal. How can they claim heart of lungs being removed?”
Peggy,
First of all my posts here represent my opinion/s, as an individual, therefore if I believe or disbelieve something has nothing to do with Albanians believing or disbelieving.
Second, the article itself and the police report on this issue don’t mention any organ in particular, while you’re mentioning heart, lungs, and kidney.
You say that you cannot claim having an organ removed without having evidence of that, what I agree, because it is too simple to tell. But what you can do is say that “I saw a lot, I saw them beat and torture people” or “I heard something about how the prisoners or their kidneys were being transported to the airport. I heard that they were headed to Turkey”. (Taken from BBC reporting on the issue).
Questions to you: Do you have any evidence that organs were removed from Serbs and other non Serbs in the camps in Albania? Do you have any evidence that those camps existed in the first place?
If, not, how come you believe such a story, while you accuse Albanians of being hypocrites, since they tend to believe some official reporting issued by Police. When BBC reported on the issue http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=58397#hrono , you and other Serb camp immediately jumped to conclude and believe the whole story, a media reporting. There were posts saying that “these crimes are only a small portion of the iceberg” etc. Isn’t this hypocrisy in itself?
“I wonder if Carla was also interested in getting an apartment and a car in Blegrade.

What would be her reason for lying?”
Please correct me if I’m wrong, as far as I remember, the story of organ removal, i.e. the yellow house came from Carla Del Ponte’s book. That’s where it all started, so probably a good investigation would prove that it ends all there, with Carla Del Ponte and her book.