One thing is for sure; that Kosovo is going to face many challenges until it gets to fully international acceptance,at the same time similar hurts Serbia is going to face but from different perspectives. Don't forget Albania is fully NATO member; Serbia has to pass through!!!
Bug daddy USA could not affect the introduction of the k albs on this pimple of an event? The K alb flag, consitution and their army was not enough to demand recognition of their statehood? LAUGHING OUT LOUD!
How come autonomy was stripped form Kosovo, no Albanian language TV or Radio channels were allowed, only one Albanian language news paper was allowed, peaceful protesters were attacked by police, Pro Milosovic politicians/ Serb nationalists ran Kosovo, majority of police in Kosovo were ethnic Serbians (many K-Albanians 'lost' their police jobs)? Why is this Zoran?
@ Peggy
I never said/ implied that any Serbian civilians deserved what they got. You know I'm opposed to the KLA. I think all killing is wrong, unlike you, because your a convict.
"Yes I have read the "KLA organ story" on the BBC. I have have read this same story many many times from different sources and accept it as truth, I do not reject it. I oppose the KLA, they did lots of wrong doing such as kidnapping, murder and guerrilla-war tactics ect, but they didn't just decide to do it for no reason; they KLA was a response. K-Albanians had been oppressed since the early 1980's/ after Tito."
(Ian, UK, 9 April 2009 18:54)
So, it other words Ian, the innocent Serbian civilians (women, children etc) deserved what they got.
Spoken like a true Albanian who you keep saying you are not. Too ashamed to admit it but not too ashamed to say something as horrible as this?
The deal has been made Serbs, this is third rate bickering. Read this:
"Even US President Barack Obama, at the EU and US summit in Prague on Sunday, urged the EU "not to forget the Balkans". In addition, the Balkans has been discussed at the NATO summit in Strasbourg on Saturday, at the US Institute for Peace, USIP, conference last Friday, and US Congress’ Helsinki Commission hearing last Thursday."
Russia talked to Obama as well and I want to remind you that there was no mention of Georgia or Ukraine for NATO. No US missile shield near Russia either. No wonder Dodic is scared and no wonder Tadic isn't going to France, Germany or UK that agreed with Obama /Hillary.
they KLA was a response. K-Albanians had been oppressed since the early 1980's/ after Tito.
(Ian, UK, 9 April 2009 18:54)
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Ian, you obviously have very little understanding of the history of Kosovo. One can also argue that Milosevic only responded to the terror the KLA brought upon Serbians in Kosovo but there is obviously so much more to it than that.
The UN will recognize Kosovo on the same day that China recognizes Taiwan,Tibet and Xinjiang as independent countries.Turkey recognizes Kurdistan and Russia recognizes Chechnya and 70 other of its provinces/republics as independent countries but even when this happens Cyprus still will not recognize.As long as nobody is killing each other in Kosovo let all sides live with their respective fantasies/illusions about what is what.As far as the US is concerned Kosovo will very shortly become even more irrelevant than it already is and 300 million Americans will unfortunately be begging China for more money and credit.In 20 years time China will hold most of the money which is bad news for the west.
Brilliant move from Kosova, keep doing it to bring attention.
Poor Crna Gora what has gotten itself into. USA already made them back stab their brothers, now the wannabe Don will be slapped silly by a third rate US official. Does CEFTA require all sides to sign for any changes? It's safe to say UNMIK will not if Kosova says no since UNMIK washed its hands off.
Bad move for Serbia too: IMF money is still not in the bank and US decides. Plus a blockade of goods from Kosova would not help the economic situation.
In case people wonder why Serbia hasn't made any progress since Slobodan was removed, it's these pigheaded policies. Good luck with getting in EU with this attitude, especially when you need first since you were an ex-communist state too.
Kosova or EU? If you choose Kosova, you lose them both, said a wise and very powerful American diplomat
(Alban, 9 April 2009 10:42)
To Nikshala,
The reality my friend is that Albanians in Kosovo are desperate to be recognized and accepted as democratic and multietnic country with European values. Unfortunately, you are neither multiethnic nor democratic. Values?! You are run by well known criminals and drug dealers who commited numerous crimes in the name of pure Albanian state and the remaining Serbs live in modern day ghettos! That is the reality my friend and untill we reverse that trend and arrest all Thacis, Kosovo has no European or any other perceptive.
Funding for Kosovo can come from taxes, EU, US and private businesses, these are all current sources of funding, yes there is some funding from the UN, but not all funding is from the UN. EULEX should fully replace UNMIK.
Yes I have read the "KLA organ story" on the BBC. I have have read this same story many many times from different sources and accept it as truth, I do not reject it. I oppose the KLA, they did lots of wrong doing such as kidnapping, murder and guerrilla-war tactics ect, but they didn't just decide to do it for no reason; they KLA was a response. K-Albanians had been oppressed since the early 1980's/ after Tito.
Kosovo is Serbia. 1244
affirms it and as long as albans walk out thats good for the Serbs. Nothing gets done no deals or agreements. Its wonderful. Serbs win.
Alban - The US doesn't dictate IMF policy. It has roughly 15% of the vote at the IMF. What's worse for the albo's is that on current trends, the Chinese, Russians, Indians and Brazilians will be having a much greater say in ALL world forums. Remind me, who are these states backing, "Kosovo" or Serbia?
"Plus a blockade of goods from Kosova would not help the economic situation" kosovo would be crippled without trade from Serbia but not the other way round.
"Good luck with getting in EU with this attitude, especially when you need first since you were an ex-communist state too. " Are you saying that Serbia, as an ex communist state needs EU help more than Kosovo? how do you come to that conclusion, when kosovo would also have had a communist system!
"wise American diplomat" - that's an oxymoron, 85% of the world's population will testify to that.
Pejoni "Nicely done the Kosovar delegation! We dont bow down for anyone, especially NOT a Serb host in Montenegro" if that's your racist attitude then it proves Kosovo is not the democratic state it's telling the world that it is.
Secondly, pure genius. The albo's walk out on trade talks just when the world is entering the deepest recession since WWII. Straight from the book of economic policies of enver hoxda - and VERY CHILDISH behaviour (i hope they didn't forget their dummies when they left).
Ian, UK - UMIKS tenure is firmly in the hands of the Russians and Chinese now, so I suppose when they say enough, then it's enough, but not before then. I'm sure the US would like the UN to shut up shop now but it looks like everyone else is waiting to hear what the ICJ has to say first with the US trying to pressure every country it can into recognising Kosovo in the hope of not going to the ICJ - Now THAT'S desperation.
Ian, UK: "UNMIK is out of date, its mission is complete. Time to move on, the European Parliament has said that too."
Actually, the EP holds very little sway in the situation and has not officially stated this position. The EU also is not united and is only allowed to act under the umbrella of the UN.
I have two questions for you Ian, UK:
Firstly, what is Kosovo going to survive on if the UN leaves? Without the international funding people in Kosovo would be even worse off.
Or do you think that the UN should leave but the money should stay? Because that would never happen, especially in light of all of the problems with corruption.
Secondly, I wonder if you have been reading the recent reports on the BBC finally telling just some of the horrible stories about crimes by the KLA?
I notice that you only ever talk of crimes by Serbian paramilitaries and police, but I have never heard you even mention anything about the murders, rapes, kidnappings and terror perpetrated by the KLA.
Do you really believe that the links with criminal gangs and atrocities going back before 1999 aren't even worth a mention?
"The only way forwards is at the negotiating table.
(kate, 9 April 2009 10:53)"
Right you are Kate, but judging from the comments of the Albanians here, they still feel they're above the fray. As long as Washington continues to remain their sugar-daddy, officials in Pristina will think they've got someone to bail them out and that they're anything more than a glorified protectorate.
"My dear Albanians,
Reality hurts doesn't it!?
(TITO, 9 April 2009 13:30) "
My friend, reality is when ambassadors of major powers such as France, UK, US etc. refer to Skender Hyseni as the Foreign Minister of Republic of Kosovo in UNSC meetings. Reality is,the dozens of walkouts by Serbian policitians from many conferences where Kosovo was invited as an equal participant with other countries of the region.
Reality is, when Serbian politicians are stopped at the border of Republic of Kosovo because they do not have the necessary permission from the Kosovan authorities.
Reality is, if you try and enter Kosovo from Serbia, and you tell our border police that Kosovo is Serbia or UNMIK or whatever, you will politely be asked to turn back to wherever you came from.
While there is much more progress and work needed to turn Kosovo into a functional and sovreign state (which currently it is not), the reality is definetly moving in that direction day by day.
I do think that the issue of K. Serbs will probably remain hot for long time, and it will have to be revisited and negotiated at some point, but if you think that there will be any reversal of independence, you are sadly mistaken.
At last some reports start to appear in the UK press. Maybe people will start to take notice of the full story behind the region. I wonder if anyone in UK will read this article..http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7990984.stm and then go on to wonder what NATO was doing supporting the KLA and bombing Belgrade 10 years ago. Hopefully this might begin to prompt some more informed comment from the UK and other Western European contries?
As kate says sooner or later its back to the table.
Kosovo's limbo status is hurting who more, that is the real question.
Of course the Albin Kurti school of thought is to admit that it is hurting Kosovo Albanian aspirations and the future of Kosovo independence more. He favours a radical approach, hoping that the international appetite will change in favour of Kosovo independence, forcing Serbia to abandon the idea of Kosovo remaining in Serbia.
The other school of thought represented by only a very brave Kosovo Albanian politician (no I don't know of any such politician holding this position) is to begin negotiations on a final settlement, with either the Serbian government or Kosovo Serbs (whoever Albanians can get a better deal from).
It seems to me that from an Albanian perspective the second scenario is more realistic at this stage. It may be that the trickle of recognitions will continue, but unless there is a large change Serbia and its supporters will be free to hamper the independence project.
Of course ICJ will also have some impact. No, I really do believe that the best way out of this for Serbs and Albanians in Kosovo and beyond is to embark upon serious face to face negotiations.
Surely after a decade its time to do a deal? Extremists won't be happy, but when are they ever happy?
UNMIK is out of date, its mission is complete. Time to move on, the European Parliament has said that too. You can tell that Russia is "desperate" to keep UNMIK alive on its last legs, but how long will these last legs hold?
Just a reality check. Until Serbia approval/agreement they can't even attend some local meetings not to think about world stage organizations.(UN, MMF, FIFA etc,).
I must admit, I was stumped as to why Kosovo was not allowed to represent itself at first - if you look at CEFTA's requirements you'd see why i was puzzled. Then i took a look at the preamble - Kosovo is signed up as being represented by UNMIK, so Montenegro is simply following the letter of the law but i'm sure many albanians in montenegro will not be happy.
The UN is still in charge of Kosovo so it is only natural that Kosovo is represented through UNMIK.
Also, I wonder why the British, through their government controlled media - the BBC - are now writing anti-Albanian articles? They are investigating the KLA and printed the following:
"The BBC News investigation also studies claims that some of those held in Albania were killed for their organs, and that physical evidence gathered by UN investigators in Albania was destroyed by the International War Crimes Tribunal."
Check this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7990761.stm
Quite simply, we all know who led the KLA and what position he thinks he holds. Isn't it interesting how the NATO court in the Hague destroyed the evidence? No points for guessing why!
These people are not fit to represent anyone but the worst of the worst criminals and it is only fitting that UNMIK does its job until the region is stabilised and Serbia can retake full responsibility for its sovereignty.
Brilliant move from Kosova, keep doing it to bring attention.
Poor Crna Gora what has gotten itself into. USA already made them back stab their brothers, now the wannabe Don will be slapped silly by a third rate US official. Does CEFTA require all sides to sign for any changes? It's safe to say UNMIK will not if Kosova says no since UNMIK washed its hands off.
Bad move for Serbia too: IMF money is still not in the bank and US decides. Plus a blockade of goods from Kosova would not help the economic situation.
In case people wonder why Serbia hasn't made any progress since Slobodan was removed, it's these pigheaded policies. Good luck with getting in EU with this attitude, especially when you need first since you were an ex-communist state too.
Kosova or EU? If you choose Kosova, you lose them both, said a wise and very powerful American diplomat
Kosovo can ONLY be represented by UNMIK because of the legal status under Res 1244. Everything else, where Kosovo is portrayed as a state, is only paying lip service.
All that matters is the legal status, and any attempts to bypass this will mean that the UN and the EU (only there under the umbrella of the UN) will no longer have the right to operate in Kosovo. Plus they will lose their credibility on the world stage unless a new agreement is made.
The only way forwards is at the negotiating table.
Kosovo can ONLY be represented by UNMIK because of the legal status under Res 1244. Everything else, where Kosovo is portrayed as a state, is only paying lip service.
All that matters is the legal status, and any attempts to bypass this will mean that the UN and the EU (only there under the umbrella of the UN) will no longer have the right to operate in Kosovo. Plus they will lose their credibility on the world stage unless a new agreement is made.
The only way forwards is at the negotiating table.
The UN is still in charge of Kosovo so it is only natural that Kosovo is represented through UNMIK.
Also, I wonder why the British, through their government controlled media - the BBC - are now writing anti-Albanian articles? They are investigating the KLA and printed the following:
"The BBC News investigation also studies claims that some of those held in Albania were killed for their organs, and that physical evidence gathered by UN investigators in Albania was destroyed by the International War Crimes Tribunal."
Check this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7990761.stm
Quite simply, we all know who led the KLA and what position he thinks he holds. Isn't it interesting how the NATO court in the Hague destroyed the evidence? No points for guessing why!
These people are not fit to represent anyone but the worst of the worst criminals and it is only fitting that UNMIK does its job until the region is stabilised and Serbia can retake full responsibility for its sovereignty.
At last some reports start to appear in the UK press. Maybe people will start to take notice of the full story behind the region. I wonder if anyone in UK will read this article..http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7990984.stm and then go on to wonder what NATO was doing supporting the KLA and bombing Belgrade 10 years ago. Hopefully this might begin to prompt some more informed comment from the UK and other Western European contries?
I must admit, I was stumped as to why Kosovo was not allowed to represent itself at first - if you look at CEFTA's requirements you'd see why i was puzzled. Then i took a look at the preamble - Kosovo is signed up as being represented by UNMIK, so Montenegro is simply following the letter of the law but i'm sure many albanians in montenegro will not be happy.
As kate says sooner or later its back to the table.
Kosovo's limbo status is hurting who more, that is the real question.
Of course the Albin Kurti school of thought is to admit that it is hurting Kosovo Albanian aspirations and the future of Kosovo independence more. He favours a radical approach, hoping that the international appetite will change in favour of Kosovo independence, forcing Serbia to abandon the idea of Kosovo remaining in Serbia.
The other school of thought represented by only a very brave Kosovo Albanian politician (no I don't know of any such politician holding this position) is to begin negotiations on a final settlement, with either the Serbian government or Kosovo Serbs (whoever Albanians can get a better deal from).
It seems to me that from an Albanian perspective the second scenario is more realistic at this stage. It may be that the trickle of recognitions will continue, but unless there is a large change Serbia and its supporters will be free to hamper the independence project.
Of course ICJ will also have some impact. No, I really do believe that the best way out of this for Serbs and Albanians in Kosovo and beyond is to embark upon serious face to face negotiations.
Surely after a decade its time to do a deal? Extremists won't be happy, but when are they ever happy?
Just a reality check. Until Serbia approval/agreement they can't even attend some local meetings not to think about world stage organizations.(UN, MMF, FIFA etc,).
Kosovo is Serbia. 1244
affirms it and as long as albans walk out thats good for the Serbs. Nothing gets done no deals or agreements. Its wonderful. Serbs win.
Ian, UK: "UNMIK is out of date, its mission is complete. Time to move on, the European Parliament has said that too."
Actually, the EP holds very little sway in the situation and has not officially stated this position. The EU also is not united and is only allowed to act under the umbrella of the UN.
I have two questions for you Ian, UK:
Firstly, what is Kosovo going to survive on if the UN leaves? Without the international funding people in Kosovo would be even worse off.
Or do you think that the UN should leave but the money should stay? Because that would never happen, especially in light of all of the problems with corruption.
Secondly, I wonder if you have been reading the recent reports on the BBC finally telling just some of the horrible stories about crimes by the KLA?
I notice that you only ever talk of crimes by Serbian paramilitaries and police, but I have never heard you even mention anything about the murders, rapes, kidnappings and terror perpetrated by the KLA.
Do you really believe that the links with criminal gangs and atrocities going back before 1999 aren't even worth a mention?
"The only way forwards is at the negotiating table.
(kate, 9 April 2009 10:53)"
Right you are Kate, but judging from the comments of the Albanians here, they still feel they're above the fray. As long as Washington continues to remain their sugar-daddy, officials in Pristina will think they've got someone to bail them out and that they're anything more than a glorified protectorate.
Alban - The US doesn't dictate IMF policy. It has roughly 15% of the vote at the IMF. What's worse for the albo's is that on current trends, the Chinese, Russians, Indians and Brazilians will be having a much greater say in ALL world forums. Remind me, who are these states backing, "Kosovo" or Serbia?
"Plus a blockade of goods from Kosova would not help the economic situation" kosovo would be crippled without trade from Serbia but not the other way round.
"Good luck with getting in EU with this attitude, especially when you need first since you were an ex-communist state too. " Are you saying that Serbia, as an ex communist state needs EU help more than Kosovo? how do you come to that conclusion, when kosovo would also have had a communist system!
"wise American diplomat" - that's an oxymoron, 85% of the world's population will testify to that.
Pejoni "Nicely done the Kosovar delegation! We dont bow down for anyone, especially NOT a Serb host in Montenegro" if that's your racist attitude then it proves Kosovo is not the democratic state it's telling the world that it is.
Secondly, pure genius. The albo's walk out on trade talks just when the world is entering the deepest recession since WWII. Straight from the book of economic policies of enver hoxda - and VERY CHILDISH behaviour (i hope they didn't forget their dummies when they left).
Ian, UK - UMIKS tenure is firmly in the hands of the Russians and Chinese now, so I suppose when they say enough, then it's enough, but not before then. I'm sure the US would like the UN to shut up shop now but it looks like everyone else is waiting to hear what the ICJ has to say first with the US trying to pressure every country it can into recognising Kosovo in the hope of not going to the ICJ - Now THAT'S desperation.
The UN will recognize Kosovo on the same day that China recognizes Taiwan,Tibet and Xinjiang as independent countries.Turkey recognizes Kurdistan and Russia recognizes Chechnya and 70 other of its provinces/republics as independent countries but even when this happens Cyprus still will not recognize.As long as nobody is killing each other in Kosovo let all sides live with their respective fantasies/illusions about what is what.As far as the US is concerned Kosovo will very shortly become even more irrelevant than it already is and 300 million Americans will unfortunately be begging China for more money and credit.In 20 years time China will hold most of the money which is bad news for the west.
Brilliant move from Kosova, keep doing it to bring attention.
Poor Crna Gora what has gotten itself into. USA already made them back stab their brothers, now the wannabe Don will be slapped silly by a third rate US official. Does CEFTA require all sides to sign for any changes? It's safe to say UNMIK will not if Kosova says no since UNMIK washed its hands off.
Bad move for Serbia too: IMF money is still not in the bank and US decides. Plus a blockade of goods from Kosova would not help the economic situation.
In case people wonder why Serbia hasn't made any progress since Slobodan was removed, it's these pigheaded policies. Good luck with getting in EU with this attitude, especially when you need first since you were an ex-communist state too.
Kosova or EU? If you choose Kosova, you lose them both, said a wise and very powerful American diplomat
"Yes I have read the "KLA organ story" on the BBC. I have have read this same story many many times from different sources and accept it as truth, I do not reject it. I oppose the KLA, they did lots of wrong doing such as kidnapping, murder and guerrilla-war tactics ect, but they didn't just decide to do it for no reason; they KLA was a response. K-Albanians had been oppressed since the early 1980's/ after Tito."
(Ian, UK, 9 April 2009 18:54)
So, it other words Ian, the innocent Serbian civilians (women, children etc) deserved what they got.
Spoken like a true Albanian who you keep saying you are not. Too ashamed to admit it but not too ashamed to say something as horrible as this?
UNMIK is out of date, its mission is complete. Time to move on, the European Parliament has said that too. You can tell that Russia is "desperate" to keep UNMIK alive on its last legs, but how long will these last legs hold?
"My dear Albanians,
Reality hurts doesn't it!?
(TITO, 9 April 2009 13:30) "
My friend, reality is when ambassadors of major powers such as France, UK, US etc. refer to Skender Hyseni as the Foreign Minister of Republic of Kosovo in UNSC meetings. Reality is,the dozens of walkouts by Serbian policitians from many conferences where Kosovo was invited as an equal participant with other countries of the region.
Reality is, when Serbian politicians are stopped at the border of Republic of Kosovo because they do not have the necessary permission from the Kosovan authorities.
Reality is, if you try and enter Kosovo from Serbia, and you tell our border police that Kosovo is Serbia or UNMIK or whatever, you will politely be asked to turn back to wherever you came from.
While there is much more progress and work needed to turn Kosovo into a functional and sovreign state (which currently it is not), the reality is definetly moving in that direction day by day.
I do think that the issue of K. Serbs will probably remain hot for long time, and it will have to be revisited and negotiated at some point, but if you think that there will be any reversal of independence, you are sadly mistaken.
To Nikshala,
The reality my friend is that Albanians in Kosovo are desperate to be recognized and accepted as democratic and multietnic country with European values. Unfortunately, you are neither multiethnic nor democratic. Values?! You are run by well known criminals and drug dealers who commited numerous crimes in the name of pure Albanian state and the remaining Serbs live in modern day ghettos! That is the reality my friend and untill we reverse that trend and arrest all Thacis, Kosovo has no European or any other perceptive.
Brilliant move from Kosova, keep doing it to bring attention.
Poor Crna Gora what has gotten itself into. USA already made them back stab their brothers, now the wannabe Don will be slapped silly by a third rate US official. Does CEFTA require all sides to sign for any changes? It's safe to say UNMIK will not if Kosova says no since UNMIK washed its hands off.
Bad move for Serbia too: IMF money is still not in the bank and US decides. Plus a blockade of goods from Kosova would not help the economic situation.
In case people wonder why Serbia hasn't made any progress since Slobodan was removed, it's these pigheaded policies. Good luck with getting in EU with this attitude, especially when you need first since you were an ex-communist state too.
Kosova or EU? If you choose Kosova, you lose them both, said a wise and very powerful American diplomat
(Alban, 9 April 2009 10:42)
they KLA was a response. K-Albanians had been oppressed since the early 1980's/ after Tito.
(Ian, UK, 9 April 2009 18:54)
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Ian, you obviously have very little understanding of the history of Kosovo. One can also argue that Milosevic only responded to the terror the KLA brought upon Serbians in Kosovo but there is obviously so much more to it than that.
Funding for Kosovo can come from taxes, EU, US and private businesses, these are all current sources of funding, yes there is some funding from the UN, but not all funding is from the UN. EULEX should fully replace UNMIK.
Yes I have read the "KLA organ story" on the BBC. I have have read this same story many many times from different sources and accept it as truth, I do not reject it. I oppose the KLA, they did lots of wrong doing such as kidnapping, murder and guerrilla-war tactics ect, but they didn't just decide to do it for no reason; they KLA was a response. K-Albanians had been oppressed since the early 1980's/ after Tito.
The deal has been made Serbs, this is third rate bickering. Read this:
"Even US President Barack Obama, at the EU and US summit in Prague on Sunday, urged the EU "not to forget the Balkans". In addition, the Balkans has been discussed at the NATO summit in Strasbourg on Saturday, at the US Institute for Peace, USIP, conference last Friday, and US Congress’ Helsinki Commission hearing last Thursday."
Russia talked to Obama as well and I want to remind you that there was no mention of Georgia or Ukraine for NATO. No US missile shield near Russia either. No wonder Dodic is scared and no wonder Tadic isn't going to France, Germany or UK that agreed with Obama /Hillary.
Bug daddy USA could not affect the introduction of the k albs on this pimple of an event? The K alb flag, consitution and their army was not enough to demand recognition of their statehood? LAUGHING OUT LOUD!
One thing is for sure; that Kosovo is going to face many challenges until it gets to fully international acceptance,at the same time similar hurts Serbia is going to face but from different perspectives. Don't forget Albania is fully NATO member; Serbia has to pass through!!!
How come autonomy was stripped form Kosovo, no Albanian language TV or Radio channels were allowed, only one Albanian language news paper was allowed, peaceful protesters were attacked by police, Pro Milosovic politicians/ Serb nationalists ran Kosovo, majority of police in Kosovo were ethnic Serbians (many K-Albanians 'lost' their police jobs)? Why is this Zoran?
@ Peggy
I never said/ implied that any Serbian civilians deserved what they got. You know I'm opposed to the KLA. I think all killing is wrong, unlike you, because your a convict.
Brilliant move from Kosova, keep doing it to bring attention.
Poor Crna Gora what has gotten itself into. USA already made them back stab their brothers, now the wannabe Don will be slapped silly by a third rate US official. Does CEFTA require all sides to sign for any changes? It's safe to say UNMIK will not if Kosova says no since UNMIK washed its hands off.
Bad move for Serbia too: IMF money is still not in the bank and US decides. Plus a blockade of goods from Kosova would not help the economic situation.
In case people wonder why Serbia hasn't made any progress since Slobodan was removed, it's these pigheaded policies. Good luck with getting in EU with this attitude, especially when you need first since you were an ex-communist state too.
Kosova or EU? If you choose Kosova, you lose them both, said a wise and very powerful American diplomat
UNMIK is out of date, its mission is complete. Time to move on, the European Parliament has said that too. You can tell that Russia is "desperate" to keep UNMIK alive on its last legs, but how long will these last legs hold?
"My dear Albanians,
Reality hurts doesn't it!?
(TITO, 9 April 2009 13:30) "
My friend, reality is when ambassadors of major powers such as France, UK, US etc. refer to Skender Hyseni as the Foreign Minister of Republic of Kosovo in UNSC meetings. Reality is,the dozens of walkouts by Serbian policitians from many conferences where Kosovo was invited as an equal participant with other countries of the region.
Reality is, when Serbian politicians are stopped at the border of Republic of Kosovo because they do not have the necessary permission from the Kosovan authorities.
Reality is, if you try and enter Kosovo from Serbia, and you tell our border police that Kosovo is Serbia or UNMIK or whatever, you will politely be asked to turn back to wherever you came from.
While there is much more progress and work needed to turn Kosovo into a functional and sovreign state (which currently it is not), the reality is definetly moving in that direction day by day.
I do think that the issue of K. Serbs will probably remain hot for long time, and it will have to be revisited and negotiated at some point, but if you think that there will be any reversal of independence, you are sadly mistaken.
Kosovo can ONLY be represented by UNMIK because of the legal status under Res 1244. Everything else, where Kosovo is portrayed as a state, is only paying lip service.
All that matters is the legal status, and any attempts to bypass this will mean that the UN and the EU (only there under the umbrella of the UN) will no longer have the right to operate in Kosovo. Plus they will lose their credibility on the world stage unless a new agreement is made.
The only way forwards is at the negotiating table.
Funding for Kosovo can come from taxes, EU, US and private businesses, these are all current sources of funding, yes there is some funding from the UN, but not all funding is from the UN. EULEX should fully replace UNMIK.
Yes I have read the "KLA organ story" on the BBC. I have have read this same story many many times from different sources and accept it as truth, I do not reject it. I oppose the KLA, they did lots of wrong doing such as kidnapping, murder and guerrilla-war tactics ect, but they didn't just decide to do it for no reason; they KLA was a response. K-Albanians had been oppressed since the early 1980's/ after Tito.
The UN is still in charge of Kosovo so it is only natural that Kosovo is represented through UNMIK.
Also, I wonder why the British, through their government controlled media - the BBC - are now writing anti-Albanian articles? They are investigating the KLA and printed the following:
"The BBC News investigation also studies claims that some of those held in Albania were killed for their organs, and that physical evidence gathered by UN investigators in Albania was destroyed by the International War Crimes Tribunal."
Check this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7990761.stm
Quite simply, we all know who led the KLA and what position he thinks he holds. Isn't it interesting how the NATO court in the Hague destroyed the evidence? No points for guessing why!
These people are not fit to represent anyone but the worst of the worst criminals and it is only fitting that UNMIK does its job until the region is stabilised and Serbia can retake full responsibility for its sovereignty.
Brilliant move from Kosova, keep doing it to bring attention.
Poor Crna Gora what has gotten itself into. USA already made them back stab their brothers, now the wannabe Don will be slapped silly by a third rate US official. Does CEFTA require all sides to sign for any changes? It's safe to say UNMIK will not if Kosova says no since UNMIK washed its hands off.
Bad move for Serbia too: IMF money is still not in the bank and US decides. Plus a blockade of goods from Kosova would not help the economic situation.
In case people wonder why Serbia hasn't made any progress since Slobodan was removed, it's these pigheaded policies. Good luck with getting in EU with this attitude, especially when you need first since you were an ex-communist state too.
Kosova or EU? If you choose Kosova, you lose them both, said a wise and very powerful American diplomat
(Alban, 9 April 2009 10:42)
The deal has been made Serbs, this is third rate bickering. Read this:
"Even US President Barack Obama, at the EU and US summit in Prague on Sunday, urged the EU "not to forget the Balkans". In addition, the Balkans has been discussed at the NATO summit in Strasbourg on Saturday, at the US Institute for Peace, USIP, conference last Friday, and US Congress’ Helsinki Commission hearing last Thursday."
Russia talked to Obama as well and I want to remind you that there was no mention of Georgia or Ukraine for NATO. No US missile shield near Russia either. No wonder Dodic is scared and no wonder Tadic isn't going to France, Germany or UK that agreed with Obama /Hillary.
I must admit, I was stumped as to why Kosovo was not allowed to represent itself at first - if you look at CEFTA's requirements you'd see why i was puzzled. Then i took a look at the preamble - Kosovo is signed up as being represented by UNMIK, so Montenegro is simply following the letter of the law but i'm sure many albanians in montenegro will not be happy.
Just a reality check. Until Serbia approval/agreement they can't even attend some local meetings not to think about world stage organizations.(UN, MMF, FIFA etc,).
Kosovo is Serbia. 1244
affirms it and as long as albans walk out thats good for the Serbs. Nothing gets done no deals or agreements. Its wonderful. Serbs win.
"The only way forwards is at the negotiating table.
(kate, 9 April 2009 10:53)"
Right you are Kate, but judging from the comments of the Albanians here, they still feel they're above the fray. As long as Washington continues to remain their sugar-daddy, officials in Pristina will think they've got someone to bail them out and that they're anything more than a glorified protectorate.
At last some reports start to appear in the UK press. Maybe people will start to take notice of the full story behind the region. I wonder if anyone in UK will read this article..http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7990984.stm and then go on to wonder what NATO was doing supporting the KLA and bombing Belgrade 10 years ago. Hopefully this might begin to prompt some more informed comment from the UK and other Western European contries?
Ian, UK: "UNMIK is out of date, its mission is complete. Time to move on, the European Parliament has said that too."
Actually, the EP holds very little sway in the situation and has not officially stated this position. The EU also is not united and is only allowed to act under the umbrella of the UN.
I have two questions for you Ian, UK:
Firstly, what is Kosovo going to survive on if the UN leaves? Without the international funding people in Kosovo would be even worse off.
Or do you think that the UN should leave but the money should stay? Because that would never happen, especially in light of all of the problems with corruption.
Secondly, I wonder if you have been reading the recent reports on the BBC finally telling just some of the horrible stories about crimes by the KLA?
I notice that you only ever talk of crimes by Serbian paramilitaries and police, but I have never heard you even mention anything about the murders, rapes, kidnappings and terror perpetrated by the KLA.
Do you really believe that the links with criminal gangs and atrocities going back before 1999 aren't even worth a mention?
As kate says sooner or later its back to the table.
Kosovo's limbo status is hurting who more, that is the real question.
Of course the Albin Kurti school of thought is to admit that it is hurting Kosovo Albanian aspirations and the future of Kosovo independence more. He favours a radical approach, hoping that the international appetite will change in favour of Kosovo independence, forcing Serbia to abandon the idea of Kosovo remaining in Serbia.
The other school of thought represented by only a very brave Kosovo Albanian politician (no I don't know of any such politician holding this position) is to begin negotiations on a final settlement, with either the Serbian government or Kosovo Serbs (whoever Albanians can get a better deal from).
It seems to me that from an Albanian perspective the second scenario is more realistic at this stage. It may be that the trickle of recognitions will continue, but unless there is a large change Serbia and its supporters will be free to hamper the independence project.
Of course ICJ will also have some impact. No, I really do believe that the best way out of this for Serbs and Albanians in Kosovo and beyond is to embark upon serious face to face negotiations.
Surely after a decade its time to do a deal? Extremists won't be happy, but when are they ever happy?
Alban - The US doesn't dictate IMF policy. It has roughly 15% of the vote at the IMF. What's worse for the albo's is that on current trends, the Chinese, Russians, Indians and Brazilians will be having a much greater say in ALL world forums. Remind me, who are these states backing, "Kosovo" or Serbia?
"Plus a blockade of goods from Kosova would not help the economic situation" kosovo would be crippled without trade from Serbia but not the other way round.
"Good luck with getting in EU with this attitude, especially when you need first since you were an ex-communist state too. " Are you saying that Serbia, as an ex communist state needs EU help more than Kosovo? how do you come to that conclusion, when kosovo would also have had a communist system!
"wise American diplomat" - that's an oxymoron, 85% of the world's population will testify to that.
Pejoni "Nicely done the Kosovar delegation! We dont bow down for anyone, especially NOT a Serb host in Montenegro" if that's your racist attitude then it proves Kosovo is not the democratic state it's telling the world that it is.
Secondly, pure genius. The albo's walk out on trade talks just when the world is entering the deepest recession since WWII. Straight from the book of economic policies of enver hoxda - and VERY CHILDISH behaviour (i hope they didn't forget their dummies when they left).
Ian, UK - UMIKS tenure is firmly in the hands of the Russians and Chinese now, so I suppose when they say enough, then it's enough, but not before then. I'm sure the US would like the UN to shut up shop now but it looks like everyone else is waiting to hear what the ICJ has to say first with the US trying to pressure every country it can into recognising Kosovo in the hope of not going to the ICJ - Now THAT'S desperation.
How come autonomy was stripped form Kosovo, no Albanian language TV or Radio channels were allowed, only one Albanian language news paper was allowed, peaceful protesters were attacked by police, Pro Milosovic politicians/ Serb nationalists ran Kosovo, majority of police in Kosovo were ethnic Serbians (many K-Albanians 'lost' their police jobs)? Why is this Zoran?
@ Peggy
I never said/ implied that any Serbian civilians deserved what they got. You know I'm opposed to the KLA. I think all killing is wrong, unlike you, because your a convict.
To Nikshala,
The reality my friend is that Albanians in Kosovo are desperate to be recognized and accepted as democratic and multietnic country with European values. Unfortunately, you are neither multiethnic nor democratic. Values?! You are run by well known criminals and drug dealers who commited numerous crimes in the name of pure Albanian state and the remaining Serbs live in modern day ghettos! That is the reality my friend and untill we reverse that trend and arrest all Thacis, Kosovo has no European or any other perceptive.
One thing is for sure; that Kosovo is going to face many challenges until it gets to fully international acceptance,at the same time similar hurts Serbia is going to face but from different perspectives. Don't forget Albania is fully NATO member; Serbia has to pass through!!!
they KLA was a response. K-Albanians had been oppressed since the early 1980's/ after Tito.
(Ian, UK, 9 April 2009 18:54)
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Ian, you obviously have very little understanding of the history of Kosovo. One can also argue that Milosevic only responded to the terror the KLA brought upon Serbians in Kosovo but there is obviously so much more to it than that.
"Yes I have read the "KLA organ story" on the BBC. I have have read this same story many many times from different sources and accept it as truth, I do not reject it. I oppose the KLA, they did lots of wrong doing such as kidnapping, murder and guerrilla-war tactics ect, but they didn't just decide to do it for no reason; they KLA was a response. K-Albanians had been oppressed since the early 1980's/ after Tito."
(Ian, UK, 9 April 2009 18:54)
So, it other words Ian, the innocent Serbian civilians (women, children etc) deserved what they got.
Spoken like a true Albanian who you keep saying you are not. Too ashamed to admit it but not too ashamed to say something as horrible as this?
The UN will recognize Kosovo on the same day that China recognizes Taiwan,Tibet and Xinjiang as independent countries.Turkey recognizes Kurdistan and Russia recognizes Chechnya and 70 other of its provinces/republics as independent countries but even when this happens Cyprus still will not recognize.As long as nobody is killing each other in Kosovo let all sides live with their respective fantasies/illusions about what is what.As far as the US is concerned Kosovo will very shortly become even more irrelevant than it already is and 300 million Americans will unfortunately be begging China for more money and credit.In 20 years time China will hold most of the money which is bad news for the west.
Bug daddy USA could not affect the introduction of the k albs on this pimple of an event? The K alb flag, consitution and their army was not enough to demand recognition of their statehood? LAUGHING OUT LOUD!
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