But killing and intimidating witnesses. . .that's democratic, right?
The Hague? Come on. . .some clowns destroy our infrastructure, kill our civilians on the pretext of lies and a blatant land grab. Then set up this "court" to prosecute their victims. . .and we Serbs are supposed to care what they are you think?
What a joke! Just like that pseudo state kosova!
That sham that you refer to as a court (The Hague) is another instrument of the NATO aggressor to justify their criminal activity in Serbia.
Šutanovac told B92 that a problem existed in Serbia because people equated NATO with the 1999 bombing.
He said that this had to change, adding that Serbia was still not reaping the benefits from its cooperation with the Alliance.
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Can you believe these EU/US paid for politicians? This is what people voted in when they ticked the "For a EUlex Serbia" box in the last election.
Not only did NATO cause severe civilian infrastructure damage during its bombing campaign, it killed many thousands of Serbian citizens (ethnic Albanians included).
NATO stood by watching Albanians burn Serbian churches and houses. It stood by watching Albanians murder and ethnically cleans hundred of thousands of Serbians and other non-Albanians. This was done as recently as 2004 and I wouldn't be surprised if they participated and partially organised it.
The people behind NATO are the same ones behind those that organised and authorised the murder and ethnic cleansing of half a million Serbians out of Krajina while continuing to reward Croatia. This is true genocide my friends and it is no wonder neo-Nazism is allowed to thrive in Croatia.
Now we have this Šutanovac guy saying we need to get on our knees and beg to become a NATO member. What a complete joke this government has become. I have never seen such a subservient bunch of Serbians in my life. It is no wonder why Ponos had to leave.
I thank God that these people and the infrastructure behind them are collapsing. Their power is crumbling and the first to go will be Ukraine. Those velvet revolutions are all coming to an end my friends so just keep the faith. We have always been on the victorious side and that is not about to change.
In all fairness, the Serbian army has not had a military upgrade other than some test models of the new M-8 Tank and some equipment upgrades to the older version. The other armor personal carriers, helicopters, defense systems and artillery pieces are dated. Further, no new airplanes have been ordered, only refurbished. Serbia could not defend itself against a well equipped army other than with superior tactics which they showed during the NATO bombing.
That being said, the Croatia army is worse off and no appreciative upgrading of its stolen JNA weaponry and donations from Germany have made any significant impact.
As for the Albanian army, there is no such thing as a mechanized division and any country in the Balkans can run through them within hours.
The most superior army in not only in the Balkans but most of Europe is the Greek army which is armed to the teeth with a highly advanced air force, navy and armed force to counteract the threat from Turkey.
>> "However, we have yet to even receive an invitation,”
Serbia must have the dumbest foreign policy ever. Just last month that called NATO criminals for the "illegal war" without explaining the other side and now they expect NATO to forget it. East or West? No invitation, you must make the first 1000 moves, including several trips to Albania, a veto wielding NATO member. Explain why Serbia should get in NATO without accounting for 1990's and without recognizing Kosova. US and NATO don't care about having you, you are surrounded anyway and NATO decides what arms to let in Serbia. You are toothless, peace is secured by NATO now.
Jovan and Dragan,
Albania is grateful to US /EU but that's where it ends. It isn't like you with the Russians that come each week with new marching orders. Did you give them 40% of the Hayat Hotel yet? And how is that "6 point plan," did the "obedient Albanians" accept it?
Tadic and co are going to brainwash you now into voting to join NATO--a clear indication that they have given up Kosova. Just last week they insulted NATO now in a few months you will love it! How is that for having no backbone, and opportunism?
Serbia joins NATO and EU with Kosova, as two states, at the same time. Take it or leave it! Kosova will go on without you.
>> We've forced our war criminals to run and hide. "
Slobo's party is in power, nuf' said!
>>> To the new NATO members (Croatia and Albania). . .besides having to spend billions of dollars that you don't have "updating" your army with the latest U.S. weaponry (how convenient for the American arms industry?), you should store up on sun-block lotions. . .Iraq and Afghanistan are wicked hot this time of year.
Thank god for richer countries that give the arms to us, you didn't know that did you? No Albanian has died yet in Iraq or Afghanistan, 12000 were massacred by the Serbian army and thugs.
>>> Have you watched to video "Hell of Kosare?" I am not talking about the albanian propaganda version.
You must mean the Serbian propaganda version when 'Jihadists' attacked brave the Serbian army?
Hey Nemanja, the courts at the Hague are looking for your Serb war criminals, while all cases opened against Albanians have been answered by their voluntary presence. Who are the cowards here?
These are the same courts Serbs are hailing nowadays as their savior for Kosovo.
P.S. Killing your PMs is not considered democratic.
It is a close one how has the better weapons the Albanian most of them from the 1950 and the Serbs majority of them from the 1970. You both will need the bicycle brigades and donkey brigades you cant even pay for the fuel for the army never even mind the air force let it rust.
If you think that destroying 13 tanks during their criminal attack on Serbia is "dismantling" the Serbian army. . .then NATO did a stellar job.
Mind you, what was really impressive about NATO was the cowardice nature of the attack and the terrorizing of the civilian infrastructure.
To the new NATO members (Croatia and Albania). . .besides having to spend billions of dollars that you don't have "updating" your army with the latest U.S. weaponry (how convenient for the American arms industry?), you should store up on sun-block lotions. . .Iraq and Afghanistan are wicked hot this time of year.
Wake up people. . .this organization is an outdated arm of U.S. imperialism.
There's just one small problem with all the Albanian posters arguments. Albania will block Serbia if it's in the US or EU's interest to do so. The reason - Albania is a puppet and the hands are the EU and US. When they say jump, Albania jumps. So, like I said, Albania will slavishly follow it's masters instructions. Serbia can still progress as planned in not recognising Kosovo and seeking an ICJ ruling. And if the ICJ rules in Serbia's favour and the US comes to the negotitating table, there's nothing Albania or the KLA can do about it - you simply don't have any power to tell anybody what to do, but you are weak enough to be to told what you have to do. but that's Enver Hodxa's fault.
Hmmm Serbia has the best army on the region,, best at what???? at killing,raping,torturing, innocent plp... no m8 serbia needs another 20 yrs to complete its goal.. no offence its just there are a lot of war criminals in ur army,,, too soon 4 serbia to join NATO... give urselvs another 20 yrs...
There is nothing professional about Serbian army. See Stanje Nacije to understand what I am talkig about. I mean, not even a roduanry Serbian would buy this.
Get them jobs dont tell them lies, look a the value of dinar for god sake. What good is white schengen list when the only ones to travel would be parlamentarians, gangsters, wealthy business men.
it´s so sweet... those albanian kiddies chest-beating about their army-capabilities.
well, if that is what they read in their yellow-papers - then I understand what is the right method for the criminal temporary "rulers" in southern serbia to keep them on board: just let them dream of being "somebody", strong and capable etc.
but reality will come and haunt you, my dear albanian friends.
and the best ( most ironic ) thing is: it´s the Albanians who are accusing the Serbs here of "chest-beating"!
absurdity par exellence!
ps: my dear k-albanian friends... if you want a little dose of reality, just take a look on how Turkey prevented Mr.Rasmussen the new nato-sheriff... =)
and you hopefully won´t start bragging about Albania to be more important than Turkey for the NATO-members!
so, ...just as a reminder about your position in that game, my dear friends...
so much for your or the Republic of Albania´s future influence in NATO´s affairs.
They seem to think that Serbia wants to join the NATO alliance of war criminals, when we clearly don't. Just like in our history, albanians always rush to be servile slaves to some colonial master or another, while Serbs always opt for freedom and independence. Nothing ever changes.
That is the difference between us, and that is why Serbia has the strongest army, which will be back in Kosovo where they belong, just give it some time.
Cheers!!
Why begin to mention Russia or Cyprus?
This can be viewed in a positive way for Serbia. If Serbia is surrounded by NATO members then all the best to Serbia since no nation outside Europe will dare strike Serbia and invade NATO airspace. Serbia has declared neutrality even if not fully defined it pretty much stats Serbia will not act as an aggressor but will obviously defend her nation like any democratic state, member or no member. I also think Serbia has demonstrated good military defense proven by the unusually close US-Serbia military training and cooperation.
Why do i hear a disturbing tone from some Albanian posters as if we're all not trying to join the EU? I doubt Serbia is in some serious treat because it will remain neutral and in the EU. The way i see it, hardly any NATO member would risk an armed conflict with todays Serbia. NATO members have already invested serious capital, it is a privatized Serbia we're talking about. The benefit Serbia will get from this is defense from the so called terrorists and other axis of evil :) and the best part of it is Serbs will not have to die in senseless wars, which i am also sure will gain them more international respect. We know what the majority of the world really thinks of NATO even some of NATO's members have voiced concern with NATO's direction and suggested a European alternative to NATO.
Smart move by Serbia
This is news to me, I thought that NATO had spent the last 10 years dismantling the army and neutralising its capacity thereby ensuring that its numbers and effectiveness were greatly reduced and as a result more easily controlled by the west. I think the government should be honest with the people and tell them that there is no army left worth talking about. What remains is not even an independent defence force anymore.
I love these Albanian posters who think NATO is about the good of Albania, go and become cannon fodder for your “American allies” in killing innocent Iraqi and Afghanistani civilians. And if America and her master Israel have there way, Iranian women and children as well. It amuses me that Albanians are still wondering why their Islamic “brothers” haven’t recognized Kosovo.
Why should American soldiers die when there’s poor European countries lining up to send there young men to die and spend money they don’t have on US armaments. I hope the Serbian politicians never join such an out dated and irrelevant organization, not to mention the damage NATO inflicted on an already crippled country.
It is also highly unlikely Albania will join the EU any time soon, let alone set conditions for Serbia. Dare I say with a change of government Serbia will just achieve visa liberalization and nothing more. So to any deluded Albanian, Croatian or Serbian posters for that matter, that think NATO is good for there country as apposed to good for the US, You are very short sighted and naive.
This statement probably comes in the eve of the new NATO members and the statements of some analysts that Serbia's army has become very outdated.
Excerpt of eubusiness:
http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1238985121.47
Daniel Korski, analyst at the London-based European Council on Foreign Relations, said the biggest worry for Serbia was not the threat of NATO, but rather the falling standards of its once-feared army.
"Military development is a bit like tennis -- the better a player you play with, the better you become," he told AFP in a telephone interview.
"The fact that the Serbs have not deployed on a series of operations along with better-equipped, better-manned and better-controlled armies means that they are sliding behind in the military quality stakes.
BTW In 1999 the Serbian army took Tropoje and half of Nort Albania whithout resistance even though you had NATO as your Air Force...
So please don`t make a fool of yourself...
(CG, 7 April 2009 11:56)
On contrary CG, in 1999 KLA with the help from Albanian Army with heavy artilery took over Kosare barracs, which had the biggest concentration of Serbian Army along the Kosovo-Albanian border.
“What could happen one day is that Albania could, as a fully-fledged member, set conditions for our membership,” he acknowledged.
I thought Serbs hate/dislike NATO!, but if they decide to join most powerfull military organization then there will be a big problem.
It's not only ALB who'll set conditions for Serbia's NATO membership, it's also CRO who'll do the same.
Serbs must remember false accusations on behalf of so-called "yellow house" well, that was good entertainment for us Albos wasn't it?.
Serbia most professional army in the region?, best joke I've ever heard. In couple of years or so even Kosova will have much better trained Army.
First Serbia has to catch war criminals and tell their young generations that it's wrong to attack your neighbors. You just can't come all the way from Karpathian Mnts and say that Kos, Bos, Cro etc are mine.
Serbian government instead of contributing to the name of PEACE they tell K-Serbs don't respect Kosova's democratic institutions.
Serbia must realize that it's doing more harm to herself than to Kosova.
"Defense Ministry State Secretary Dušan Spasojević said that according to a Stratfor agency analysis, Serbia's military is the most professional in the region."
-Yup, in killing innocent civilians - we all are aware how professional they are!
""What could happen one day is that Albania could, as a fully-fledged member, set conditions for our membership," he acknowledged."
But yes, if Serbia's NATO membership is going to harm in some way Kosova, of course Albania will set conditions - Serbia and Kosova will go side by side through NATO-EU memberships.
Please don`t make me laugh...
Albanian army stronger than Serbian ? hahaha
Serbia is the biggest country in the Western Balkans,it has the biggest army with the most modern equipment (in the Balcans)and most professional soldiers and a strong military industry that can produce artillery pieces,munition,tanks(M-2001) and even fighter jets(Supergaleb).
NATO membership of Albania is irrelevant,you will be called to do the dirty job in Iraq and Afghanistan,I don`t know what makes you think NATO will support you forever,you are not vital for them...
BTW In 1999 the Serbian army took Tropoje and half of Nort Albania whithout resistance even though you had NATO as your Air Force...
So please don`t make a fool of yourself...
Orwell, thanks for the laugh! Being surrounded in all directions by the same alliance that "occupies your Southern province" is good now??? Serbia can't even get help from Russia or anyone because NATO members (or aspiring) are around Serbia and that's supposed to be good? See what happened when Cyprus (an island) wanted to get Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missiles next to a NATO member. Imagine a NATO member allowing them to pass through its territory go to to a non-NATO member that can threaten members.
Stratfor said that Serbia has the industrial infrastructure if a long war starts, they don't analyze armies, Janes does that. What Serbia had after taking over JNA is irrelevant. Right now CRO and ALB have the greatest armies--because NATO backs them.
As for Albania: I believe they will sign a mutual defense treaty with Kosova very soon, in addition to giving Kosova Shengjini port. If that happens, kiss NATO goodbye. Plus, no NATO with border problems, don't you know??
The worst news? Albanian's SAA is 100% in force and NATO membership takes a year or two off as Albania is now literally partners with virtually every EU member through NATO. EU might make Albania take the heat like Holland is taking it for Mladic.
Serbia will wake up to the reality: 80% of NATO and 80% of EU recognize Kosova as independent, Serbia says it's part of Serbia, yet the people want nothing to do with Serbia, and Serbia doesn't rule them. 80% of EU and NATO!!!
Serbia is just losing time, and soon enough Albania will join EU as well before Serbia. Greece has blocked FYROM for 20 years and no one can do anything about it...
I love these Albanian posters who think NATO is about the good of Albania, go and become cannon fodder for your “American allies” in killing innocent Iraqi and Afghanistani civilians. And if America and her master Israel have there way, Iranian women and children as well. It amuses me that Albanians are still wondering why their Islamic “brothers” haven’t recognized Kosovo.
Why should American soldiers die when there’s poor European countries lining up to send there young men to die and spend money they don’t have on US armaments. I hope the Serbian politicians never join such an out dated and irrelevant organization, not to mention the damage NATO inflicted on an already crippled country.
It is also highly unlikely Albania will join the EU any time soon, let alone set conditions for Serbia. Dare I say with a change of government Serbia will just achieve visa liberalization and nothing more. So to any deluded Albanian, Croatian or Serbian posters for that matter, that think NATO is good for there country as apposed to good for the US, You are very short sighted and naive.
Please don`t make me laugh...
Albanian army stronger than Serbian ? hahaha
Serbia is the biggest country in the Western Balkans,it has the biggest army with the most modern equipment (in the Balcans)and most professional soldiers and a strong military industry that can produce artillery pieces,munition,tanks(M-2001) and even fighter jets(Supergaleb).
NATO membership of Albania is irrelevant,you will be called to do the dirty job in Iraq and Afghanistan,I don`t know what makes you think NATO will support you forever,you are not vital for them...
BTW In 1999 the Serbian army took Tropoje and half of Nort Albania whithout resistance even though you had NATO as your Air Force...
So please don`t make a fool of yourself...
“What could happen one day is that Albania could, as a fully-fledged member, set conditions for our membership,” he acknowledged.
I thought Serbs hate/dislike NATO!, but if they decide to join most powerfull military organization then there will be a big problem.
It's not only ALB who'll set conditions for Serbia's NATO membership, it's also CRO who'll do the same.
Serbs must remember false accusations on behalf of so-called "yellow house" well, that was good entertainment for us Albos wasn't it?.
Serbia most professional army in the region?, best joke I've ever heard. In couple of years or so even Kosova will have much better trained Army.
First Serbia has to catch war criminals and tell their young generations that it's wrong to attack your neighbors. You just can't come all the way from Karpathian Mnts and say that Kos, Bos, Cro etc are mine.
Serbian government instead of contributing to the name of PEACE they tell K-Serbs don't respect Kosova's democratic institutions.
Serbia must realize that it's doing more harm to herself than to Kosova.
They seem to think that Serbia wants to join the NATO alliance of war criminals, when we clearly don't. Just like in our history, albanians always rush to be servile slaves to some colonial master or another, while Serbs always opt for freedom and independence. Nothing ever changes.
That is the difference between us, and that is why Serbia has the strongest army, which will be back in Kosovo where they belong, just give it some time.
Cheers!!
If you think that destroying 13 tanks during their criminal attack on Serbia is "dismantling" the Serbian army. . .then NATO did a stellar job.
Mind you, what was really impressive about NATO was the cowardice nature of the attack and the terrorizing of the civilian infrastructure.
To the new NATO members (Croatia and Albania). . .besides having to spend billions of dollars that you don't have "updating" your army with the latest U.S. weaponry (how convenient for the American arms industry?), you should store up on sun-block lotions. . .Iraq and Afghanistan are wicked hot this time of year.
Wake up people. . .this organization is an outdated arm of U.S. imperialism.
Why begin to mention Russia or Cyprus?
This can be viewed in a positive way for Serbia. If Serbia is surrounded by NATO members then all the best to Serbia since no nation outside Europe will dare strike Serbia and invade NATO airspace. Serbia has declared neutrality even if not fully defined it pretty much stats Serbia will not act as an aggressor but will obviously defend her nation like any democratic state, member or no member. I also think Serbia has demonstrated good military defense proven by the unusually close US-Serbia military training and cooperation.
Why do i hear a disturbing tone from some Albanian posters as if we're all not trying to join the EU? I doubt Serbia is in some serious treat because it will remain neutral and in the EU. The way i see it, hardly any NATO member would risk an armed conflict with todays Serbia. NATO members have already invested serious capital, it is a privatized Serbia we're talking about. The benefit Serbia will get from this is defense from the so called terrorists and other axis of evil :) and the best part of it is Serbs will not have to die in senseless wars, which i am also sure will gain them more international respect. We know what the majority of the world really thinks of NATO even some of NATO's members have voiced concern with NATO's direction and suggested a European alternative to NATO.
Smart move by Serbia
Hmmm Serbia has the best army on the region,, best at what???? at killing,raping,torturing, innocent plp... no m8 serbia needs another 20 yrs to complete its goal.. no offence its just there are a lot of war criminals in ur army,,, too soon 4 serbia to join NATO... give urselvs another 20 yrs...
Orwell, thanks for the laugh! Being surrounded in all directions by the same alliance that "occupies your Southern province" is good now??? Serbia can't even get help from Russia or anyone because NATO members (or aspiring) are around Serbia and that's supposed to be good? See what happened when Cyprus (an island) wanted to get Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missiles next to a NATO member. Imagine a NATO member allowing them to pass through its territory go to to a non-NATO member that can threaten members.
Stratfor said that Serbia has the industrial infrastructure if a long war starts, they don't analyze armies, Janes does that. What Serbia had after taking over JNA is irrelevant. Right now CRO and ALB have the greatest armies--because NATO backs them.
As for Albania: I believe they will sign a mutual defense treaty with Kosova very soon, in addition to giving Kosova Shengjini port. If that happens, kiss NATO goodbye. Plus, no NATO with border problems, don't you know??
The worst news? Albanian's SAA is 100% in force and NATO membership takes a year or two off as Albania is now literally partners with virtually every EU member through NATO. EU might make Albania take the heat like Holland is taking it for Mladic.
Serbia will wake up to the reality: 80% of NATO and 80% of EU recognize Kosova as independent, Serbia says it's part of Serbia, yet the people want nothing to do with Serbia, and Serbia doesn't rule them. 80% of EU and NATO!!!
Serbia is just losing time, and soon enough Albania will join EU as well before Serbia. Greece has blocked FYROM for 20 years and no one can do anything about it...
There's just one small problem with all the Albanian posters arguments. Albania will block Serbia if it's in the US or EU's interest to do so. The reason - Albania is a puppet and the hands are the EU and US. When they say jump, Albania jumps. So, like I said, Albania will slavishly follow it's masters instructions. Serbia can still progress as planned in not recognising Kosovo and seeking an ICJ ruling. And if the ICJ rules in Serbia's favour and the US comes to the negotitating table, there's nothing Albania or the KLA can do about it - you simply don't have any power to tell anybody what to do, but you are weak enough to be to told what you have to do. but that's Enver Hodxa's fault.
BTW In 1999 the Serbian army took Tropoje and half of Nort Albania whithout resistance even though you had NATO as your Air Force...
So please don`t make a fool of yourself...
(CG, 7 April 2009 11:56)
On contrary CG, in 1999 KLA with the help from Albanian Army with heavy artilery took over Kosare barracs, which had the biggest concentration of Serbian Army along the Kosovo-Albanian border.
This statement probably comes in the eve of the new NATO members and the statements of some analysts that Serbia's army has become very outdated.
Excerpt of eubusiness:
http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1238985121.47
Daniel Korski, analyst at the London-based European Council on Foreign Relations, said the biggest worry for Serbia was not the threat of NATO, but rather the falling standards of its once-feared army.
"Military development is a bit like tennis -- the better a player you play with, the better you become," he told AFP in a telephone interview.
"The fact that the Serbs have not deployed on a series of operations along with better-equipped, better-manned and better-controlled armies means that they are sliding behind in the military quality stakes.
"Defense Ministry State Secretary Dušan Spasojević said that according to a Stratfor agency analysis, Serbia's military is the most professional in the region."
-Yup, in killing innocent civilians - we all are aware how professional they are!
""What could happen one day is that Albania could, as a fully-fledged member, set conditions for our membership," he acknowledged."
But yes, if Serbia's NATO membership is going to harm in some way Kosova, of course Albania will set conditions - Serbia and Kosova will go side by side through NATO-EU memberships.
There is nothing professional about Serbian army. See Stanje Nacije to understand what I am talkig about. I mean, not even a roduanry Serbian would buy this.
Get them jobs dont tell them lies, look a the value of dinar for god sake. What good is white schengen list when the only ones to travel would be parlamentarians, gangsters, wealthy business men.
it´s so sweet... those albanian kiddies chest-beating about their army-capabilities.
well, if that is what they read in their yellow-papers - then I understand what is the right method for the criminal temporary "rulers" in southern serbia to keep them on board: just let them dream of being "somebody", strong and capable etc.
but reality will come and haunt you, my dear albanian friends.
and the best ( most ironic ) thing is: it´s the Albanians who are accusing the Serbs here of "chest-beating"!
absurdity par exellence!
ps: my dear k-albanian friends... if you want a little dose of reality, just take a look on how Turkey prevented Mr.Rasmussen the new nato-sheriff... =)
and you hopefully won´t start bragging about Albania to be more important than Turkey for the NATO-members!
so, ...just as a reminder about your position in that game, my dear friends...
so much for your or the Republic of Albania´s future influence in NATO´s affairs.
In all fairness, the Serbian army has not had a military upgrade other than some test models of the new M-8 Tank and some equipment upgrades to the older version. The other armor personal carriers, helicopters, defense systems and artillery pieces are dated. Further, no new airplanes have been ordered, only refurbished. Serbia could not defend itself against a well equipped army other than with superior tactics which they showed during the NATO bombing.
That being said, the Croatia army is worse off and no appreciative upgrading of its stolen JNA weaponry and donations from Germany have made any significant impact.
As for the Albanian army, there is no such thing as a mechanized division and any country in the Balkans can run through them within hours.
The most superior army in not only in the Balkans but most of Europe is the Greek army which is armed to the teeth with a highly advanced air force, navy and armed force to counteract the threat from Turkey.
But killing and intimidating witnesses. . .that's democratic, right?
The Hague? Come on. . .some clowns destroy our infrastructure, kill our civilians on the pretext of lies and a blatant land grab. Then set up this "court" to prosecute their victims. . .and we Serbs are supposed to care what they are you think?
What a joke! Just like that pseudo state kosova!
That sham that you refer to as a court (The Hague) is another instrument of the NATO aggressor to justify their criminal activity in Serbia.
>> "However, we have yet to even receive an invitation,”
Serbia must have the dumbest foreign policy ever. Just last month that called NATO criminals for the "illegal war" without explaining the other side and now they expect NATO to forget it. East or West? No invitation, you must make the first 1000 moves, including several trips to Albania, a veto wielding NATO member. Explain why Serbia should get in NATO without accounting for 1990's and without recognizing Kosova. US and NATO don't care about having you, you are surrounded anyway and NATO decides what arms to let in Serbia. You are toothless, peace is secured by NATO now.
Jovan and Dragan,
Albania is grateful to US /EU but that's where it ends. It isn't like you with the Russians that come each week with new marching orders. Did you give them 40% of the Hayat Hotel yet? And how is that "6 point plan," did the "obedient Albanians" accept it?
Tadic and co are going to brainwash you now into voting to join NATO--a clear indication that they have given up Kosova. Just last week they insulted NATO now in a few months you will love it! How is that for having no backbone, and opportunism?
Serbia joins NATO and EU with Kosova, as two states, at the same time. Take it or leave it! Kosova will go on without you.
>> We've forced our war criminals to run and hide. "
Slobo's party is in power, nuf' said!
>>> To the new NATO members (Croatia and Albania). . .besides having to spend billions of dollars that you don't have "updating" your army with the latest U.S. weaponry (how convenient for the American arms industry?), you should store up on sun-block lotions. . .Iraq and Afghanistan are wicked hot this time of year.
Thank god for richer countries that give the arms to us, you didn't know that did you? No Albanian has died yet in Iraq or Afghanistan, 12000 were massacred by the Serbian army and thugs.
>>> Have you watched to video "Hell of Kosare?" I am not talking about the albanian propaganda version.
You must mean the Serbian propaganda version when 'Jihadists' attacked brave the Serbian army?
Šutanovac told B92 that a problem existed in Serbia because people equated NATO with the 1999 bombing.
He said that this had to change, adding that Serbia was still not reaping the benefits from its cooperation with the Alliance.
--
Can you believe these EU/US paid for politicians? This is what people voted in when they ticked the "For a EUlex Serbia" box in the last election.
Not only did NATO cause severe civilian infrastructure damage during its bombing campaign, it killed many thousands of Serbian citizens (ethnic Albanians included).
NATO stood by watching Albanians burn Serbian churches and houses. It stood by watching Albanians murder and ethnically cleans hundred of thousands of Serbians and other non-Albanians. This was done as recently as 2004 and I wouldn't be surprised if they participated and partially organised it.
The people behind NATO are the same ones behind those that organised and authorised the murder and ethnic cleansing of half a million Serbians out of Krajina while continuing to reward Croatia. This is true genocide my friends and it is no wonder neo-Nazism is allowed to thrive in Croatia.
Now we have this Šutanovac guy saying we need to get on our knees and beg to become a NATO member. What a complete joke this government has become. I have never seen such a subservient bunch of Serbians in my life. It is no wonder why Ponos had to leave.
I thank God that these people and the infrastructure behind them are collapsing. Their power is crumbling and the first to go will be Ukraine. Those velvet revolutions are all coming to an end my friends so just keep the faith. We have always been on the victorious side and that is not about to change.
This is news to me, I thought that NATO had spent the last 10 years dismantling the army and neutralising its capacity thereby ensuring that its numbers and effectiveness were greatly reduced and as a result more easily controlled by the west. I think the government should be honest with the people and tell them that there is no army left worth talking about. What remains is not even an independent defence force anymore.
It is a close one how has the better weapons the Albanian most of them from the 1950 and the Serbs majority of them from the 1970. You both will need the bicycle brigades and donkey brigades you cant even pay for the fuel for the army never even mind the air force let it rust.
Hey Nemanja, the courts at the Hague are looking for your Serb war criminals, while all cases opened against Albanians have been answered by their voluntary presence. Who are the cowards here?
These are the same courts Serbs are hailing nowadays as their savior for Kosovo.
P.S. Killing your PMs is not considered democratic.
"Defense Ministry State Secretary Dušan Spasojević said that according to a Stratfor agency analysis, Serbia's military is the most professional in the region."
-Yup, in killing innocent civilians - we all are aware how professional they are!
""What could happen one day is that Albania could, as a fully-fledged member, set conditions for our membership," he acknowledged."
But yes, if Serbia's NATO membership is going to harm in some way Kosova, of course Albania will set conditions - Serbia and Kosova will go side by side through NATO-EU memberships.
Orwell, thanks for the laugh! Being surrounded in all directions by the same alliance that "occupies your Southern province" is good now??? Serbia can't even get help from Russia or anyone because NATO members (or aspiring) are around Serbia and that's supposed to be good? See what happened when Cyprus (an island) wanted to get Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missiles next to a NATO member. Imagine a NATO member allowing them to pass through its territory go to to a non-NATO member that can threaten members.
Stratfor said that Serbia has the industrial infrastructure if a long war starts, they don't analyze armies, Janes does that. What Serbia had after taking over JNA is irrelevant. Right now CRO and ALB have the greatest armies--because NATO backs them.
As for Albania: I believe they will sign a mutual defense treaty with Kosova very soon, in addition to giving Kosova Shengjini port. If that happens, kiss NATO goodbye. Plus, no NATO with border problems, don't you know??
The worst news? Albanian's SAA is 100% in force and NATO membership takes a year or two off as Albania is now literally partners with virtually every EU member through NATO. EU might make Albania take the heat like Holland is taking it for Mladic.
Serbia will wake up to the reality: 80% of NATO and 80% of EU recognize Kosova as independent, Serbia says it's part of Serbia, yet the people want nothing to do with Serbia, and Serbia doesn't rule them. 80% of EU and NATO!!!
Serbia is just losing time, and soon enough Albania will join EU as well before Serbia. Greece has blocked FYROM for 20 years and no one can do anything about it...
BTW In 1999 the Serbian army took Tropoje and half of Nort Albania whithout resistance even though you had NATO as your Air Force...
So please don`t make a fool of yourself...
(CG, 7 April 2009 11:56)
On contrary CG, in 1999 KLA with the help from Albanian Army with heavy artilery took over Kosare barracs, which had the biggest concentration of Serbian Army along the Kosovo-Albanian border.
“What could happen one day is that Albania could, as a fully-fledged member, set conditions for our membership,” he acknowledged.
I thought Serbs hate/dislike NATO!, but if they decide to join most powerfull military organization then there will be a big problem.
It's not only ALB who'll set conditions for Serbia's NATO membership, it's also CRO who'll do the same.
Serbs must remember false accusations on behalf of so-called "yellow house" well, that was good entertainment for us Albos wasn't it?.
Serbia most professional army in the region?, best joke I've ever heard. In couple of years or so even Kosova will have much better trained Army.
First Serbia has to catch war criminals and tell their young generations that it's wrong to attack your neighbors. You just can't come all the way from Karpathian Mnts and say that Kos, Bos, Cro etc are mine.
Serbian government instead of contributing to the name of PEACE they tell K-Serbs don't respect Kosova's democratic institutions.
Serbia must realize that it's doing more harm to herself than to Kosova.
Hmmm Serbia has the best army on the region,, best at what???? at killing,raping,torturing, innocent plp... no m8 serbia needs another 20 yrs to complete its goal.. no offence its just there are a lot of war criminals in ur army,,, too soon 4 serbia to join NATO... give urselvs another 20 yrs...
There is nothing professional about Serbian army. See Stanje Nacije to understand what I am talkig about. I mean, not even a roduanry Serbian would buy this.
Get them jobs dont tell them lies, look a the value of dinar for god sake. What good is white schengen list when the only ones to travel would be parlamentarians, gangsters, wealthy business men.
This statement probably comes in the eve of the new NATO members and the statements of some analysts that Serbia's army has become very outdated.
Excerpt of eubusiness:
http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1238985121.47
Daniel Korski, analyst at the London-based European Council on Foreign Relations, said the biggest worry for Serbia was not the threat of NATO, but rather the falling standards of its once-feared army.
"Military development is a bit like tennis -- the better a player you play with, the better you become," he told AFP in a telephone interview.
"The fact that the Serbs have not deployed on a series of operations along with better-equipped, better-manned and better-controlled armies means that they are sliding behind in the military quality stakes.
>> "However, we have yet to even receive an invitation,”
Serbia must have the dumbest foreign policy ever. Just last month that called NATO criminals for the "illegal war" without explaining the other side and now they expect NATO to forget it. East or West? No invitation, you must make the first 1000 moves, including several trips to Albania, a veto wielding NATO member. Explain why Serbia should get in NATO without accounting for 1990's and without recognizing Kosova. US and NATO don't care about having you, you are surrounded anyway and NATO decides what arms to let in Serbia. You are toothless, peace is secured by NATO now.
Jovan and Dragan,
Albania is grateful to US /EU but that's where it ends. It isn't like you with the Russians that come each week with new marching orders. Did you give them 40% of the Hayat Hotel yet? And how is that "6 point plan," did the "obedient Albanians" accept it?
Tadic and co are going to brainwash you now into voting to join NATO--a clear indication that they have given up Kosova. Just last week they insulted NATO now in a few months you will love it! How is that for having no backbone, and opportunism?
Serbia joins NATO and EU with Kosova, as two states, at the same time. Take it or leave it! Kosova will go on without you.
>> We've forced our war criminals to run and hide. "
Slobo's party is in power, nuf' said!
>>> To the new NATO members (Croatia and Albania). . .besides having to spend billions of dollars that you don't have "updating" your army with the latest U.S. weaponry (how convenient for the American arms industry?), you should store up on sun-block lotions. . .Iraq and Afghanistan are wicked hot this time of year.
Thank god for richer countries that give the arms to us, you didn't know that did you? No Albanian has died yet in Iraq or Afghanistan, 12000 were massacred by the Serbian army and thugs.
>>> Have you watched to video "Hell of Kosare?" I am not talking about the albanian propaganda version.
You must mean the Serbian propaganda version when 'Jihadists' attacked brave the Serbian army?
It is a close one how has the better weapons the Albanian most of them from the 1950 and the Serbs majority of them from the 1970. You both will need the bicycle brigades and donkey brigades you cant even pay for the fuel for the army never even mind the air force let it rust.
Please don`t make me laugh...
Albanian army stronger than Serbian ? hahaha
Serbia is the biggest country in the Western Balkans,it has the biggest army with the most modern equipment (in the Balcans)and most professional soldiers and a strong military industry that can produce artillery pieces,munition,tanks(M-2001) and even fighter jets(Supergaleb).
NATO membership of Albania is irrelevant,you will be called to do the dirty job in Iraq and Afghanistan,I don`t know what makes you think NATO will support you forever,you are not vital for them...
BTW In 1999 the Serbian army took Tropoje and half of Nort Albania whithout resistance even though you had NATO as your Air Force...
So please don`t make a fool of yourself...
They seem to think that Serbia wants to join the NATO alliance of war criminals, when we clearly don't. Just like in our history, albanians always rush to be servile slaves to some colonial master or another, while Serbs always opt for freedom and independence. Nothing ever changes.
That is the difference between us, and that is why Serbia has the strongest army, which will be back in Kosovo where they belong, just give it some time.
Cheers!!
Hey Nemanja, the courts at the Hague are looking for your Serb war criminals, while all cases opened against Albanians have been answered by their voluntary presence. Who are the cowards here?
These are the same courts Serbs are hailing nowadays as their savior for Kosovo.
P.S. Killing your PMs is not considered democratic.
This is news to me, I thought that NATO had spent the last 10 years dismantling the army and neutralising its capacity thereby ensuring that its numbers and effectiveness were greatly reduced and as a result more easily controlled by the west. I think the government should be honest with the people and tell them that there is no army left worth talking about. What remains is not even an independent defence force anymore.
Šutanovac told B92 that a problem existed in Serbia because people equated NATO with the 1999 bombing.
He said that this had to change, adding that Serbia was still not reaping the benefits from its cooperation with the Alliance.
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Can you believe these EU/US paid for politicians? This is what people voted in when they ticked the "For a EUlex Serbia" box in the last election.
Not only did NATO cause severe civilian infrastructure damage during its bombing campaign, it killed many thousands of Serbian citizens (ethnic Albanians included).
NATO stood by watching Albanians burn Serbian churches and houses. It stood by watching Albanians murder and ethnically cleans hundred of thousands of Serbians and other non-Albanians. This was done as recently as 2004 and I wouldn't be surprised if they participated and partially organised it.
The people behind NATO are the same ones behind those that organised and authorised the murder and ethnic cleansing of half a million Serbians out of Krajina while continuing to reward Croatia. This is true genocide my friends and it is no wonder neo-Nazism is allowed to thrive in Croatia.
Now we have this Šutanovac guy saying we need to get on our knees and beg to become a NATO member. What a complete joke this government has become. I have never seen such a subservient bunch of Serbians in my life. It is no wonder why Ponos had to leave.
I thank God that these people and the infrastructure behind them are collapsing. Their power is crumbling and the first to go will be Ukraine. Those velvet revolutions are all coming to an end my friends so just keep the faith. We have always been on the victorious side and that is not about to change.
I love these Albanian posters who think NATO is about the good of Albania, go and become cannon fodder for your “American allies” in killing innocent Iraqi and Afghanistani civilians. And if America and her master Israel have there way, Iranian women and children as well. It amuses me that Albanians are still wondering why their Islamic “brothers” haven’t recognized Kosovo.
Why should American soldiers die when there’s poor European countries lining up to send there young men to die and spend money they don’t have on US armaments. I hope the Serbian politicians never join such an out dated and irrelevant organization, not to mention the damage NATO inflicted on an already crippled country.
It is also highly unlikely Albania will join the EU any time soon, let alone set conditions for Serbia. Dare I say with a change of government Serbia will just achieve visa liberalization and nothing more. So to any deluded Albanian, Croatian or Serbian posters for that matter, that think NATO is good for there country as apposed to good for the US, You are very short sighted and naive.
it´s so sweet... those albanian kiddies chest-beating about their army-capabilities.
well, if that is what they read in their yellow-papers - then I understand what is the right method for the criminal temporary "rulers" in southern serbia to keep them on board: just let them dream of being "somebody", strong and capable etc.
but reality will come and haunt you, my dear albanian friends.
and the best ( most ironic ) thing is: it´s the Albanians who are accusing the Serbs here of "chest-beating"!
absurdity par exellence!
ps: my dear k-albanian friends... if you want a little dose of reality, just take a look on how Turkey prevented Mr.Rasmussen the new nato-sheriff... =)
and you hopefully won´t start bragging about Albania to be more important than Turkey for the NATO-members!
so, ...just as a reminder about your position in that game, my dear friends...
so much for your or the Republic of Albania´s future influence in NATO´s affairs.
In all fairness, the Serbian army has not had a military upgrade other than some test models of the new M-8 Tank and some equipment upgrades to the older version. The other armor personal carriers, helicopters, defense systems and artillery pieces are dated. Further, no new airplanes have been ordered, only refurbished. Serbia could not defend itself against a well equipped army other than with superior tactics which they showed during the NATO bombing.
That being said, the Croatia army is worse off and no appreciative upgrading of its stolen JNA weaponry and donations from Germany have made any significant impact.
As for the Albanian army, there is no such thing as a mechanized division and any country in the Balkans can run through them within hours.
The most superior army in not only in the Balkans but most of Europe is the Greek army which is armed to the teeth with a highly advanced air force, navy and armed force to counteract the threat from Turkey.
There's just one small problem with all the Albanian posters arguments. Albania will block Serbia if it's in the US or EU's interest to do so. The reason - Albania is a puppet and the hands are the EU and US. When they say jump, Albania jumps. So, like I said, Albania will slavishly follow it's masters instructions. Serbia can still progress as planned in not recognising Kosovo and seeking an ICJ ruling. And if the ICJ rules in Serbia's favour and the US comes to the negotitating table, there's nothing Albania or the KLA can do about it - you simply don't have any power to tell anybody what to do, but you are weak enough to be to told what you have to do. but that's Enver Hodxa's fault.
If you think that destroying 13 tanks during their criminal attack on Serbia is "dismantling" the Serbian army. . .then NATO did a stellar job.
Mind you, what was really impressive about NATO was the cowardice nature of the attack and the terrorizing of the civilian infrastructure.
To the new NATO members (Croatia and Albania). . .besides having to spend billions of dollars that you don't have "updating" your army with the latest U.S. weaponry (how convenient for the American arms industry?), you should store up on sun-block lotions. . .Iraq and Afghanistan are wicked hot this time of year.
Wake up people. . .this organization is an outdated arm of U.S. imperialism.
Why begin to mention Russia or Cyprus?
This can be viewed in a positive way for Serbia. If Serbia is surrounded by NATO members then all the best to Serbia since no nation outside Europe will dare strike Serbia and invade NATO airspace. Serbia has declared neutrality even if not fully defined it pretty much stats Serbia will not act as an aggressor but will obviously defend her nation like any democratic state, member or no member. I also think Serbia has demonstrated good military defense proven by the unusually close US-Serbia military training and cooperation.
Why do i hear a disturbing tone from some Albanian posters as if we're all not trying to join the EU? I doubt Serbia is in some serious treat because it will remain neutral and in the EU. The way i see it, hardly any NATO member would risk an armed conflict with todays Serbia. NATO members have already invested serious capital, it is a privatized Serbia we're talking about. The benefit Serbia will get from this is defense from the so called terrorists and other axis of evil :) and the best part of it is Serbs will not have to die in senseless wars, which i am also sure will gain them more international respect. We know what the majority of the world really thinks of NATO even some of NATO's members have voiced concern with NATO's direction and suggested a European alternative to NATO.
Smart move by Serbia
But killing and intimidating witnesses. . .that's democratic, right?
The Hague? Come on. . .some clowns destroy our infrastructure, kill our civilians on the pretext of lies and a blatant land grab. Then set up this "court" to prosecute their victims. . .and we Serbs are supposed to care what they are you think?
What a joke! Just like that pseudo state kosova!
That sham that you refer to as a court (The Hague) is another instrument of the NATO aggressor to justify their criminal activity in Serbia.
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