Thaci "expects Spanish recognition"

Yes of course, Thaci knows Spain's mind better than it does itself. Thank the Lord for this great statesman.

Is the Snake deluded or what?

A day after Solana bluntly telling him that there would be as much chance as Spain recognising his fake state as free love breaking out in Helmand Province, he goes to the local yellow press and spouts this nonsense.

Ah well its for local consumption. I'm sure the local hacks will suck it up as usual.

Thaci is confused... Kosovo is Serbia.

Thaci sure doesn't know when to stop flogging a dead horse.

Have more respect for your people Thaci, they don't believe you and you are insulting them with pointless lies. This 'diplomat' might want to note that every time he makes such a statement, it is reported on in Spain, thus causing more resistance to the idea of Spanish recognition of Kosovo...

Next week Thaci will predict that Andorra will qualify for the Football World Cup.

As Kosovo is not a state but a province how can Spain (or any other country) regnize it?

Just a futile exercise of wishful thinking by Mr Thaci. As a question of principle, Spain will never endorse such a gross violation of international law.

Hash needs to stop smoking his namesake.

If there was a criteria in the Guiness Book of Records for "the most deluded and insane things said by a politician", this guy must be the only politician in the world who makes it and then consistenly breaks his own records. Go Thaci go!

A good one as a start from Thaci, but unfortunately 5 days late, today is April 6.

There was a much better joke few days ago about Tirana -Podgorica - Belgrade sleeping car.

http://tinyurl.com/dbzktm

Or the modified VL-10:

http://tinyurl.com/djdjf2

Both much better for April 1 than this tired one. But everyone has to be judged differently - it's what the snake is capable for, so bravo, clap-clap-clap.

L*O*G*I*C

Thaci says "very soon", so I guess we can expect it as soon as last year when all the Albanians were ranting on about 100+ recognitions by the end of 2008. I think Kosovo needs to be realistic.

Dardan

Do you want Kosovo to join EU and NATO or not? You have to obtain Spain's vote, not to mention Greece, Romania, Slovakia and Cyprus too.

Ataman

You may have a point there, I distinctly remember how he bragged that the Georgian army beat Russia and stopped them from taking Tbilisi. He's the same sort of guy, the type that is so pro-West that it even chokes the Americans and the type of guy that thinks the West thinks only about letting them into the West.

Our guy has more money than sense, and he’s not rich by any stretch of imagination.

Thaci must have problems with short term memory. Yesterday this article was published here at B92.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=05&nav_id=58311

Maybe this is a result of being the chief quality control inspector of his main business (hint: it is not politics).

Mr LOGIC,

You are so good that you are able to read between the lines.

What I read between the lines is desparation by Thaci.

Who cares if Spain does not recognise Kosova? The others are with us.Who's next?Of course Serbia , first cousin and I want to believe that EU integration is constraint with recognition of Kosova.

this guy must be the only politician in the world who makes it and then consistenly breaks his own records. Go Thaci go!
(Peter Sudyka, 6 April 2009 16:03)

Peter,

Thaci is by no means my favorite - but I have to admit, with what you say the undisputed world champion is Saakashvili, not Thaci.

And Thaci does not feed on ties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kid379OjuC0

(see at 1.01 - that tie should be a yummy-tie!)

Hold on to the mocking. In all the truth, what he says is much closer to reality than Kosova going back under Serbia.

Why does not this guy set up an online betting company with the other forecast master our good friend Mircea.Instead of soccer ,tennis and basketball they could set odds for EU enlargment and Kosovo recognition related events.

How, Thaci, international terrorist can to talk about democracy, when he was the mind of organs traffic of serbians.
How he can to talk about democracy when they was Talibans destroying Orthodox churches in Serbia (Kosovo)...
He must to be very hypocrite man...
In soon he will be in Hague, for criminal crimes against a people.
Regards
Joao

Yesterday Gazeta Express said that Solana said x & y and all Serb commenters took it seriously. How ironic, when our media reports something positive it is met in B92 with "yellow journalism", "pristina media" and all kinds of taunting words. Thaci said that Spain will recognize, in due time, maybe another 10 years from now when the political culture has changed in Spain.

Nicely said miri!

Although i to believe Spain is a long way from recognizing Kosovo, most of all because they are hard headed but in a year or less they will!
(Granit, 6 April 2009 21:52)

I wonder what would make you say that. What is the sign that makes you think that recognition is coming in a few years and why not recognize now then?

Why would Spain wait years to do something it can do today?
If you can tell me the answer to that question I might believe you.

this hatred and vehemence against so-called snake thaci is a bit bizarre, and i question some of the underlying thrust of it all, to say the least! can you imagine, in a world with Putin, with the leader of belarus, north korea, not to mention serbia and many other even less democratic regimes, such hatred speaks more about deeply held prejudices than facts and measured judgments.

but then this is probably obvious to all here, so why bother saying it?

the devil in the detail, indeed!

roberto
snowy de-troit
(roberto, 7 April 2009 01:47)

'roberto',

Your neo con, Bushite, "Axis of Evil - us against them" holds no water whatsoever.

Lumping democratic Serbia with its socialist/social democrat government led by a decent man, Boris Tadic in with Kim Jong Il & Putin is total and utter nonsense.

I'd hate to break this to you, but many democratically elected governments support Serbia. India (most populous democracy in the world), South Africa, Indonesia, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Mexico, New Zealand, Venezuela, Israel, the EU 5, just to name a few. I'm discounting the rest of Latin America, African and Asian countries who have emphatically said no.

You speak of "this hatred and vehemence", well if you look at your statement there is nothing but "hatred and vehemence" in your entire post towards Serbia and its people. Your false crocodile tears fool absolutley no one. You are nothing but a hypocrite and your words ring hollow.

I say this to you. Why dont you get on that plane and experience Serbia for yourself. You will be pleasantly suprised and the warm hospitality that you will receive from Serbia's many different peoples and enjoy she has has to offer to the curious tourist.

But first, we may want to extend the arrivals doorway for you at Belgrade airport to accommodate that big chip on your shoulder that you have.

so now our dear albanian friend roberto isn´t boring us from "frisco" anymore?

well, if it is snowing in Detroit these days, it seems you are a bad holiday-planer...

=)


ps: for all others here: he has no clue about San Francisco, what he had unvoluntarily exposed by calling this exceptionally nice little city "frisco"...
...while all who live there literally hate to hear someone call their city that way...

so much for credibility... =)

It will be interesting in some year’s time to see their faces when even Serbia recognizes Kosovo, let alone Spain and few other EU countries.

Why would Serbia recognize Kosovo, unless the EU/US conglomerate tries to blackmail it into doing so. Spain has everything to lose and nothing to gain in recognizing Kosovo. The Spanish govt will not give the Basques or Catalonians the noose in which to hang themselves. The internal politics of Spain trumps any necessity to recognize the illegal pseudo-state of Kosovo. Hell, even the idiot Saakashvili will not recognize Kosovo because he doesn't want to lose pieces of Georgia over Kosovo (South Ossetia & Abkhazia). Kosovo cannot expect recognition from any country that has areas within it that have separatist intentions, get that through your thick Albanian heads. If Thaci and company have any sense they should be working on a strategy to deal with the repercussions of a ICJ vote against Kosovo. Kosovo will have quite a bit of damage control to deal with if the ICJ opinion is in favor of Serbia, after all Kosovo may actually see some of it's recognitions retracted if that happens.

Just because my country and a majority of the EU ones have recognized Kosovo (along with several countries that are so small and inconsequential that no one can find them on a map without a magnifying glass) what has Kosovo got, not much. China, Russia, India, Spain, Greece, many Islamic countries and so on and so forth haven't even thought about recognizing Kosovo as a state and with organized criminals running the place I seriously doubt they will anytime in the next 50 years or so. If I've said it once I have said it a thousand times...my country is not the end all, be all of the world. The many countries of the world that have not recognized Kosovo are merely standing up to the bully my country has become. Contrary to what the ethnic Albanians. think, my country when it comes to Kosovo, is all about interests (Camp Bondsteel, possible oil pipelines through the area, etc..). My govt does not care about the ethnic Albanians, it just cares about what it can get from the them. Even if every country in the world recognizes Kosovo it will never truly be a free state, it will continue til the end of days to be a satellite of my country and thus it will be treated as such. We will continue to tell your govt and it's followers to jump and they will continue to say "how high". Basically the United States OWNS you now, if the day comes when you will not obey the US govt than expect to lose everything we have given you. We will hold the illegal bombing of Serbia and it's armed forces and all we have done for the ethnic Albanians over their heads forever. At least the Serbs can say they are truly free people, they never gave in to NATO aggression as far as giving them bases on their own soil and the only way they lost any of that land was through outside force, plain and simple, not because of the ragged band of misfits known as the KLA. So no matter how all of this turns out, in the end the ethnic Albanians of Kosovo will either be under a Serbian flag or an American one and don't ever expect that an "independent" Kosovo actually means such a thing. This is what Thaci and company need to think about...is it better to have an autonomous Kosovo within Serbia where the ethnic Albanians can work with their Serb counterparts, be heard and strive together to make a better life for everyone in the country or to be a slave to my country forever with it pulling the strings of your govt like a puppetmaster does with a marionette.

Ohhh our "independence" supporters like roberto and other albanians are surely but slowly becoming desperate.
Thanks LOGIC very much ,but I think we will survive even if the RSD hits the 97 mark,don`t worry about us.
The most important thing is that Spain ,Russia will never recognize your American puppet hole,UNSR 1244 is still in force you will never join EU,NATO,UN,FIFA,UEFA etc.
We will keep you in that ghetto until the time comes to liberate "Stara Srbija"and believe me it will come.
And for roberto comparing democratic elected prime minister Putin with Kim Jong Ill says it all,unfortunately for you your "Landsmänner" ala Berezovsky,Gussinsky and the other specific oligarch criminals are not and never again will be in charge of the democratic Russia.

Ataman

I did not have the intention of hurting anybody with this remark,especially not you.
What I want to say is that I have noticed that most American diplomats,journalists,political advisors,senators,congressmenand others of Jewish origin have made repeatedly very strong anti-Serb and anti-Russian statements and actions like Holbrooke,Albright,Bill Kristol,Lantos and the list goes on and on...
So to me it is clear that the Jewish establishment in the US is very anti-Serb and anti-Russian,there is no doubt in my mind about that,and we all know that they are very inflent there.
What the nationality of Berezovsky and Gussinsky and is concerned,well they are Russian citizens but their nationality is Jewish.
As Deripaska is for example Russian,Iljumshinov Tartarian etc. and they all have done bad things to the country and it was in ruins these days,thats what I wanted to allude to...
I think there is a problem in Slavo-Jewish relations as a whole and we should speak it openly.Why is this so?I don`t know!

Roberto,

You probably feel very cold and very bitter in that depressing town of Detroit - not a place high on my list to visit.

Albin Kurti is far more radical as Albanian than Thaci. Why no one calls him names? Maybe because he has no criminal connections?

As for "snake" - that's not name-calling. While I find that nickname rather funny, for Albanians it's OK because according their legends, snake is not somewhat evil.

Besides, criticizing certain politicians is neither a personal attack on anyone present nor has anything to do with a nation.

Do yourself a favor and return to either SF or to Balkans as soon as you can. Even better, ride the train back home crossing the Rockies if you can. One of the best things one can do in the States and such ride cheers up everyone. I did it at least 8 times, it's better to go from East to West than the other way.

and the type of guy that thinks the West thinks only about letting them into the West.
(Peter Sudyka, 6 April 2009 19:19)

Yes, as Маяковский did say about some - we can say the same about Yuschenko, Saakashvili, Thaci: "с одного поля.. ЯГОДИЦЫ". Who is the bigger one.... that is open question. ;)

LMN II, USA, you were referring to my post, so I felt a need to respond:
The reason why I said that Serbia will recognize Kosovo as a state is because of this simple line I took from EU website “The European Union is set up with the aim of ending the frequent and bloody wars between neighbors…”, and I presume that Serbia and its people want to join EU, so if they really do, it does not take a statement or two saying we want to join that will make Serbia part of the EU, but rather a deep change of the policies. One of those policies would be having good relations with all its neighbors, like; Macedonia, Montenegro, Kosovo…
There are many other EU countries which gained nothing by recognizing Kosovo, but Kosovo (I’d rather say the Balkans) and its people have gained a lot. Spain is one of the NATO countries that intervened in stopping the violence that was in a state organized manner exercised upon Albanian population in Kosovo.
Neither China, Russia, India, Greece, and nor the Islamic countries and so on and so forth have ever come out declaring that they will never recognize Kosovo.
"Kosovo will have quite a bit of damage control to deal with if the ICJ opinion is in favor of Serbia, after all Kosovo may actually see some of it's recognitions retracted if that happens"
“If” you say, and I say what IF it is the opposite to what you wish for. So we’ll wait and see on that.
As far as US owning us, I’d rather them own and if it were possible even declare Kosovo as part of US, than live for a second under the Serbian state. I’ve been raised in Kosovo and know pretty well what I’m saying.

I wonder why Thaci is repeating this like a broken record?
Maybe to distract Abanians from his smuggling,poor economic policy(if there is any)etc...
I guess at least in decepting their own constituency Serbian and Albanian politicians have a lot in common...

Nicely said miri!

Although i to believe Spain is a long way from recognizing Kosovo, most of all because they are hard headed but in a year or less they will!

LOGIC don't worry the dinar is not in danger of collapse in the short term!
Interest rates have been cut 1.5% and tomorrow's euro will be worth 93 dinars.

As you might know a reduction in interest rates usually causes a loss in value of the currency as investors move to alternative currencies / lose confidence. This isn't happening (in fact the dinar is getting stronger) and another fundamental reason is that agreement with the IMF.

By the way the real reason why this deed (with IMF) was done was to be able to cut interest rates, in order to stimulate demand as Serbia enters recession.

My own opinion is that interest rates should be lowered steadily every month and the dinar be allowed to fluctuate around the 100 mark. That would be best for the Serbian economy all round.

Gambia Recognised Kososo today!
We send our deepest thanks to Gambia and its people.

You are the lastest country to contribute to peace and stability to this region.

We love you all!
(Amir, 7 April 2009 20:44)

I am not sure, you would love the life in Gambia more than opening a business in Belgrade. But with HDI index 0.471 and with the place #160 out of 179 it's probably a much more exiting place to talk about than Serbia (HDI index 0.821, place 65)

Otherwise you have to say probably "thank you" to the Albanian FM's wallet, like in the case of Maldives. He is the one who probably did "contribute". Of course he could buy that rat's hole for his lunch. I am jealous, he has the best wife in the universe: during his humble years in Enver Hoxha era she saved enough Lek to buy whole countries for a lunch and Ahtisaari for a dinner.

No, it's not any mafia connection or pyramid scheme, he just has a good wife and she has just good saving plan for the family: how make from few Lek / month salary few billion of Dollars in Swiss Bank.

She is the one you have to send your deepest tanks, she is a true wizard.

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@CG: And you spoke about financial midgets in Russia or I did mention Miskovic... C'mon! That's the way how to save serious money. And that's the way how to spend it (now - I am serious). Albanians show us, they mean the word "solidarity" very seriously. I cannot imagine Miskovic spending even a single Cent for Serbia's interest - rather the opposite.

I did not have the intention of hurting anybody with this remark,especially not you. 
What I want to say is that I have noticed that most American diplomats,journalists,political advisors,senators,congressmen and others of Jewish origin have made repeatedly very strong anti-Serb and anti-Russian statements and actions like Holbrooke, Albright, Bill Kristol, Lantos and the list goes on and on...
(CG, 7 April 2009 16:57)

1)
Not sure about Holbrooke, but at least two on your list (Albright and Lantos) are rather with Austro-Hungarian background. There wasn't any problem till Serbian popular uprising led by Croatian Ban Josip Jelacic against the well-intent but very inexperienced Hungarian revolutionary government in 1848. 1848 Austrians did realize, keeping the tensions will help them rule. So they did. That led ultimately to destruction of the Monarchy. It was not unusual to be anti-somebody (anti-Hungarian, anti-Serb, anti-Slovak, etc.) within the monarchy, so these (Albright + Lantos) are accounted for.

Besides, the Monarchy was quite a bit anti-Russian, too - here is the explanation. It's just within the families and not necessary to be taken way to seriously.

2)
Most people with the "similar"(?) background in the States I know are fiercely pro-Serbian. True, they did not "made" it to become "American diplomats, journalists, political advisors, senators, congressmen". Maybe THAT is the root of the problem. Because there are Austrians with clear Russian/Ukrainian origin who became close to the top of the political food chain - and they are not necessarily friends of Serbia. It's "the other way".

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"So to me it is clear that the Jewish establishment in the US is very anti-Serb and anti-Russian,there is no doubt in my mind about that,and we all know that they are very influent there."
(CG, 7 April 2009 16:57)

Yes, it's just rather the other way: in order to get on top in the politics, you need to have a certain stance (let's call it for simplicity "anti-Russian", it's close enough to that). That stance automagically also does mean "anti-Serbian" (not 100% correct, but close enough). There are enough Jews, Buddhists, Catholics, Woodoo-belivers, Irish, ex-Russians, Serbs, Chinese (you name them) in the States who desire to be on the top of the political food-chain simply because... say, they were losers in the school and nothing else is they can do in the real life, just be lawyers or politicians without a backbone. Here you go... If they would need, these people will sing "Od Topole pa do...." tomorrow and wear badges with picture of Adem Jashari after tomorrow.

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What the nationality of Berezovsky and Gussinsky and is concerned,well they are Russian citizens but their nationality is Jewish.
(CG, 7 April 2009 16:57)

I did not even know about them. Not that really I care much. BTW: Jewish "nationality" is a disputed thing, it's all, but clear who really they are. There is much controversy and so far even the Semitic origin of the people who escaped from Egypt and found the Iudea is a question. Also the proto-Slavic Hittite Kingdom in Anatolia did not disappear without traces.

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I think there is a problem in Slavo-Jewish relations as a whole and we should speak it openly.Why is this so?I don`t know!

(CG, 7 April 2009 16:57)

I do not know, I did think about it few days ago. The Slavic-Ugric relationship went sour precisely in 1848 "thanks" to mistakes of Hungarian government and Josip Jelacic. The Ugric-Russian relationship went "south" one year later, in 1849 when Hungary was invaded by Russian army "thanks" again to Austrians who asked Tsar Nicholas I for military help. Both did not recover since really.

There is no spur of anything of anti-Jewish in Russia till probably mid-18th century, but there were enough moslems and Jews there. Jews were also all over Armenia (there their origin is probably not a question - Armenians helped Romans in their campaign and received many slaves). Interestingly, there is no such thing as "antisemitism" in Armenia and barely if any in Georgia.

We know essentially nothing about early Ugric / Khazar / Subartean-Serbian / Hunnic history and their Sumerian connections and Lapis Lazuri trade routes for many reasons.

Austrian culture politics of late 19th Century and suppressing as much about the origin of Hungarians as possible being the main reason.

Sadly, even today this is an anathema in "official" Hungary.

What was convenient for Austrian culture minister of late 19th Century is maybe wrong today, but it does stay.

To answer your question we probably need to remove much of 19th century in Russia and Austro-Hungary. Before that it was not much to mention there at all.

I have a strange feeling, the Slavo-Jewish conflict was essentially "imported" from Germany - it did exist there for centuries. Since Hungarian Kingdom had to deal with significant number of Jews and Moslems from it's earliest days (3 of the 10 Hungarian tribes were Jewish-Khazar), there is a well-preserved record about king Könyves Kálmán and his laws regarding Jews and Moslems (they could not become the Palatine or the King or Treasurer unless converted - that's all "discrimination" in 13th century!) Compare it with pogroms in England and Holy Roman Empire (Germany) of the same time.

So it's probably a very "WESTERN" thing, like witch-hunt, torture and execution of criminals.

For instance, neither "Русская Правда" medieval law codex nor laws in Iudea of antiquity did know about torture. The law codex of king Könyves Kálmán (Hungary, 13th century) explicitly forbid witch hunts. There is no death penalty in "Русская Правда" and it was practically near-impossible for a court to impose such in Iudea either.

That "western" culture with quartering, burning at stake and etc. was a huge "progress" compared with Könyves Kálmán, Iudea and "Русская Правда" :(

That reminds me of NATO, of course. Obviously if you don't bend over and join it ASAP, you miss the progress of waterboarding on Guantanamo and bombing the Hellas Express at Grdelica. The anniversary of Grdelica coming soon. Hope, some from the Embassy will attend the ceremony a bit better way - not "as usual" :(

"If there was a criteria in the Guiness Book of Records for "the most deluded and insane things said by a politician", this guy must be the only politician in the world who makes it and then consistenly breaks his own records."

Mr "6 points" and "Our Southern Province" wins hands down but nice try. Spain is much harder he was told, try others first not will "never happen"

I hope this breaking news will calm some of the voice down.

Breaking News:

Gambia Recognised Kososo today!
We send our deepest thanks to Gambia and its people.

You are the lastest country to contribute to peace and stability to this region.

We love you all!

your "Landsmänner" ala Berezovsky, Gussinsky and the other specific oligarch criminals are not and never again will be in charge of the democratic Russia.
(CG, 7 April 2009 12:13)

CG, I know precisely what you mean - and that comment was 100% unnecessary.

1) The "ethnic" ("ethnic"??) background of Berezovsky, Gussinsky et all is TBD. Have no idea, I know what you want to say, it's dead wrong, and besides, precisely the ones where it's not TBD ( = Russian immigrant communities in Brooklyn, Tel Aviv, etc) are the most hard-core supporters of Serbia. They do not fit the "capitalist Jewish pig" picture some Russians (but luckily much less Serbs) love to hate either.

2) What is the ethnic background of Medvedjev's wife - and did you know, Medvedjev was considering to take a second citizenship? (Guess, which one). This is not "pro" or "contra", just matter-of-fact. Does not make Medvedjev or Putin more or less sympathetic for me. At least, anti-semitism is not on the official agenda in Russia now and there is not even a visa regime with Israel.

As for people you did mention - I am not even convinced, it is an ethnic background at all. And even if yes, I am not even convinced, it's the same for everyone. The easiest way is just forget it as it is. They are simply Russians - period. Probably not the nicest ones and probably major thieves and mafiosi - there I agree. They are mental twins of Miskovic.

As for Roberto - his background is from Poland. Nothing more or less than that. Besides, being even temporarily in Detroit is a valid excuse to write things most do disagree with. Who does not know Detroit: it's really a horrible rat hole, unsafe, ugly, poor and with weather worth to pass on it. I would rather move to Kosovo that to Detroit. The undisputed "State Bird" of Michigan is mosquito.

Roberto can be happy, it's snowing now and it's not Summer when he would be introduced to the infamous "Michigan State Bird".

I was only few days in the area - never again, thanks!

I do believe that current Serbian politicians (President, FM, PM, etc) are “better “than Mr. Thaqi when it comes to predictions. I’m sure you all have heard them saying over and over that Kosovo will never become independent!! WRONG. Now they say Serbia will never recognize Kosovo as a state...I honestly believe this is a way beyond Nostradamus kind of prediction, so “never say never”. It will be interesting in some year’s time to see their faces when even Serbia recognizes Kosovo, let alone Spain and few other EU countries.

Nobody expects the Spanish recognition!

thaci can expect what he wants, as we can expect him to one day face the justice because of his bloody, terrorist UCK history ...

"Neither China, Russia, India, Greece, and nor the Islamic countries and so on and so forth have ever come out declaring that they will never recognize Kosovo."

PZ, you've got to be kidding, righ?
How many ways do Russia and China have to put it to you?
They have come out many times pledging support for Serbia. Do you not take that as a no for you?
I bet India has not even been approached by your masters, the US for a simple reason that the US already knows their answer and they cannot be bullied.
Greece has pledge support for Serbia on quite a few occasions as well. How do you then see that as a sign that they will switch sides?
These countries have never once indicated that they will support your cause and yet here you are telling us that they have not said a firm no. When someone comes out and openly declares support for the oppostition, you cannot possibly take it as anything else but a no.

>>Hold on to the mocking. In all the truth, what he says is much closer to reality than Kosova going back under Serbia.
(miri, 6 April 2009 20:10)

thank you, miri, as always. our opposition, the other side, however you wish to label them, trashes us day and night, and the "fake" state, the "mickey-mouse" anthem,the "snake", the support by the "bourgeois, decadent west," the lack of a strong economy, the lack of minority inclusion, and a million other things, real, 1/2 real or utterly of whole cloth. meanwhile, one year on after independence, we (those independence/democracy supporters) are moving ahead, forward-looking and generally optimistic. with widespread support by the democracies and throughout the world. the icj, un membership, russian bear, etc. are only bumps along the road as i have stressed on a number of occasions, and correctly, thank you very much.

as for spain, everyone, even the posters here know what it is about (as with israel and other such countries) -- it is about THEIR domestic politics and how they will or hope to deal with THEIR minorites. i would never disparage Spain or the spanish people for the choice their present govt., wrong as i believe it is. it is surely not based on a "moral" support for the blgd regime, that much is clear.

like "snake" thaci, i also remain optimistic re future recognition from countries such as spain, israel, etc. as for russia and serbia, those may be a bit longer off :-))

this hatred and vehemence against so-called snake thaci is a bit bizarre, and i question some of the underlying thrust of it all, to say the least! can you imagine, in a world with Putin, with the leader of belarus, north korea, not to mention serbia and many other even less democratic regimes, such hatred speaks more about deeply held prejudices than facts and measured judgments.

but then this is probably obvious to all here, so why bother saying it?

the devil in the detail, indeed!

roberto
snowy de-troit

Thaci is very optimistic, I must say.

poor old Nostradamus. A man that was once considered as a highly gifted prognosticator, but alas it would seem that he is no match compared to the many (almost always wrong) predictions that have been made on this forum.
He must be thinking that "if all he had to do was say whatever he felt like saying and people would beleive him, he'd have lived a richer life that he did to begin with".
Too bad that fortune telling has become a much less noble art, so much so that it is mostly carnival material, because I'm certain that many of you future tellers would have been admitted to the University of full scholarships for you naturally gifted abilities to tell what is going to happen, when, where, by whom.

Oh right... you've all been mostly wrong.

The future is still waiting for us to see. Lets stop pretending that we have some sort of extraordinary sense of perseption. Either you know or you don't, but personal opinions marketed as fact are far too easy to debunk and frankly waste more time that just the profound author's

PM Thaci is not desperate, he doesn't own Kosova he simply governs it. Kosovars would like Spain to be in board but if Spain chooses otherwise we won't lose sleep.

The Serbian rsd once again is losing strength, just a couple of days it hit 96 mark. You should worry more about your country then interfer in Kosovar internal affairs.

PZ:
> this is what the China’s Ambassador said, quote: “China is interested to support further the region towards achieving sustainable peace and security. We will continue following Kosovo’s path, so we can formulate our stands and decisions”

As long as we're being 'realistic', wouldn't be paying too much attention to the chinese ambassador's words - is only being diplomatic & 'chinese'.

With Tibet & Taiwan, chinese will only recognise when 'a certain very hot place' freezes over.

Ditto for Indonesia who have concerns over West Papua, Aceh, West Timor, & god knows how many other islands.

As for the Greeks, they have their own problems with albanians quite apart from the issue of Cyprus.


B92:
While I don't really have any desire to read posts fawning over Gambia, I do think it deserves a report on it's recognition... as there aren't exactly many of them these days ;)

I have already repeated that i bet that Spain will be the last one of Eu COUNTRIES in recognizing Kosovo (IF IT WILL)..Anyway it's not Spain or Greece or Slowakia recognizing the most important thing because there is a lot of time ahead...as there is no chance of being part of EU as a member ,as in the case of Serbia, for the next years to come ..Most important for Kosovo is to maitain the "good will" of the main Eu power in order to achieve a form of "association ".. i remember to all the audience that if Lisbon treaty will go on , most of the resolutions towards external countries will be done in Eu by majority votes and this will favourite them ...

Ataman said:

As for "snake" - that's not name-calling. While I find that nickname rather funny, for Albanians it's OK because according their legends, snake is not somewhat evil.

Can you tell us which legend? If you were smoking some good stuff we understeand you.

Peggy, I’m not talking black and white here. I understand that Russia, China, India and some other countries are not that much in favor, and to my opinion it has to do more with their internal problems rather than being so much on Serbia’s side on this matter (apart from Russia). In a meeting that Kosovo FM had with China’s Ambassador to UN, this is what the China’s Ambassador said, quote: “China is interested to support further the region towards achieving sustainable peace and security. We will continue following Kosovo’s path, so we can formulate our stands and decisions”. Things seem to be improving, though not as fast as we would like, but it is important we are moving forward. I read the news that Indonesia has given some hints that they will recognize, though they once came out and openly pledging support for Serbia.
Also, with the latest development between Kosovo and Greece, it may not take to long before Greece takes decision to recognize Kosovo. What I want to say is that once these countries see that Kosovo can function as an independent state, and that Kosovo’s independence serves to the sustainable peace and security in the region, they will not hesitate to pledge support to our cause. Now, I also believe that Serbia itself is interested to prosper in a peaceful region, and work towards EU integration. To me there is no other way forward but leaving the past to the past and concentrate to the future.

Soon to be posted on B92 but I just thought I should let you know that Gambia has recognized Kosovo

Who cares if Spain does not recognise Kosova? The others are with us.Who's next?Of course Serbia , first cousin and I want to believe that EU integration is constraint with recognition of Kosova.

Hold on to the mocking. In all the truth, what he says is much closer to reality than Kosova going back under Serbia.

Thaci is confused... Kosovo is Serbia.

"If there was a criteria in the Guiness Book of Records for "the most deluded and insane things said by a politician", this guy must be the only politician in the world who makes it and then consistenly breaks his own records."

Mr "6 points" and "Our Southern Province" wins hands down but nice try. Spain is much harder he was told, try others first not will "never happen"

Is the Snake deluded or what?

A day after Solana bluntly telling him that there would be as much chance as Spain recognising his fake state as free love breaking out in Helmand Province, he goes to the local yellow press and spouts this nonsense.

Ah well its for local consumption. I'm sure the local hacks will suck it up as usual.

Yes of course, Thaci knows Spain's mind better than it does itself. Thank the Lord for this great statesman.

Yesterday Gazeta Express said that Solana said x & y and all Serb commenters took it seriously. How ironic, when our media reports something positive it is met in B92 with "yellow journalism", "pristina media" and all kinds of taunting words. Thaci said that Spain will recognize, in due time, maybe another 10 years from now when the political culture has changed in Spain.

Nicely said miri!

Although i to believe Spain is a long way from recognizing Kosovo, most of all because they are hard headed but in a year or less they will!

Next week Thaci will predict that Andorra will qualify for the Football World Cup.

Thaci sure doesn't know when to stop flogging a dead horse.

Have more respect for your people Thaci, they don't believe you and you are insulting them with pointless lies. This 'diplomat' might want to note that every time he makes such a statement, it is reported on in Spain, thus causing more resistance to the idea of Spanish recognition of Kosovo...

As Kosovo is not a state but a province how can Spain (or any other country) regnize it?

A good one as a start from Thaci, but unfortunately 5 days late, today is April 6.

There was a much better joke few days ago about Tirana -Podgorica - Belgrade sleeping car.

http://tinyurl.com/dbzktm

Or the modified VL-10:

http://tinyurl.com/djdjf2

Both much better for April 1 than this tired one. But everyone has to be judged differently - it's what the snake is capable for, so bravo, clap-clap-clap.

LMN II, USA, you were referring to my post, so I felt a need to respond:
The reason why I said that Serbia will recognize Kosovo as a state is because of this simple line I took from EU website “The European Union is set up with the aim of ending the frequent and bloody wars between neighbors…”, and I presume that Serbia and its people want to join EU, so if they really do, it does not take a statement or two saying we want to join that will make Serbia part of the EU, but rather a deep change of the policies. One of those policies would be having good relations with all its neighbors, like; Macedonia, Montenegro, Kosovo…
There are many other EU countries which gained nothing by recognizing Kosovo, but Kosovo (I’d rather say the Balkans) and its people have gained a lot. Spain is one of the NATO countries that intervened in stopping the violence that was in a state organized manner exercised upon Albanian population in Kosovo.
Neither China, Russia, India, Greece, and nor the Islamic countries and so on and so forth have ever come out declaring that they will never recognize Kosovo.
"Kosovo will have quite a bit of damage control to deal with if the ICJ opinion is in favor of Serbia, after all Kosovo may actually see some of it's recognitions retracted if that happens"
“If” you say, and I say what IF it is the opposite to what you wish for. So we’ll wait and see on that.
As far as US owning us, I’d rather them own and if it were possible even declare Kosovo as part of US, than live for a second under the Serbian state. I’ve been raised in Kosovo and know pretty well what I’m saying.

>>Hold on to the mocking. In all the truth, what he says is much closer to reality than Kosova going back under Serbia.
(miri, 6 April 2009 20:10)

thank you, miri, as always. our opposition, the other side, however you wish to label them, trashes us day and night, and the "fake" state, the "mickey-mouse" anthem,the "snake", the support by the "bourgeois, decadent west," the lack of a strong economy, the lack of minority inclusion, and a million other things, real, 1/2 real or utterly of whole cloth. meanwhile, one year on after independence, we (those independence/democracy supporters) are moving ahead, forward-looking and generally optimistic. with widespread support by the democracies and throughout the world. the icj, un membership, russian bear, etc. are only bumps along the road as i have stressed on a number of occasions, and correctly, thank you very much.

as for spain, everyone, even the posters here know what it is about (as with israel and other such countries) -- it is about THEIR domestic politics and how they will or hope to deal with THEIR minorites. i would never disparage Spain or the spanish people for the choice their present govt., wrong as i believe it is. it is surely not based on a "moral" support for the blgd regime, that much is clear.

like "snake" thaci, i also remain optimistic re future recognition from countries such as spain, israel, etc. as for russia and serbia, those may be a bit longer off :-))

this hatred and vehemence against so-called snake thaci is a bit bizarre, and i question some of the underlying thrust of it all, to say the least! can you imagine, in a world with Putin, with the leader of belarus, north korea, not to mention serbia and many other even less democratic regimes, such hatred speaks more about deeply held prejudices than facts and measured judgments.

but then this is probably obvious to all here, so why bother saying it?

the devil in the detail, indeed!

roberto
snowy de-troit

PM Thaci is not desperate, he doesn't own Kosova he simply governs it. Kosovars would like Spain to be in board but if Spain chooses otherwise we won't lose sleep.

The Serbian rsd once again is losing strength, just a couple of days it hit 96 mark. You should worry more about your country then interfer in Kosovar internal affairs.

If there was a criteria in the Guiness Book of Records for "the most deluded and insane things said by a politician", this guy must be the only politician in the world who makes it and then consistenly breaks his own records. Go Thaci go!

L*O*G*I*C

Thaci says "very soon", so I guess we can expect it as soon as last year when all the Albanians were ranting on about 100+ recognitions by the end of 2008. I think Kosovo needs to be realistic.

Dardan

Do you want Kosovo to join EU and NATO or not? You have to obtain Spain's vote, not to mention Greece, Romania, Slovakia and Cyprus too.

Ataman

You may have a point there, I distinctly remember how he bragged that the Georgian army beat Russia and stopped them from taking Tbilisi. He's the same sort of guy, the type that is so pro-West that it even chokes the Americans and the type of guy that thinks the West thinks only about letting them into the West.

Mr LOGIC,

You are so good that you are able to read between the lines.

What I read between the lines is desparation by Thaci.

Thaci must have problems with short term memory. Yesterday this article was published here at B92.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=04&dd=05&nav_id=58311

Maybe this is a result of being the chief quality control inspector of his main business (hint: it is not politics).

I do believe that current Serbian politicians (President, FM, PM, etc) are “better “than Mr. Thaqi when it comes to predictions. I’m sure you all have heard them saying over and over that Kosovo will never become independent!! WRONG. Now they say Serbia will never recognize Kosovo as a state...I honestly believe this is a way beyond Nostradamus kind of prediction, so “never say never”. It will be interesting in some year’s time to see their faces when even Serbia recognizes Kosovo, let alone Spain and few other EU countries.

Just a futile exercise of wishful thinking by Mr Thaci. As a question of principle, Spain will never endorse such a gross violation of international law.

I wonder why Thaci is repeating this like a broken record?
Maybe to distract Abanians from his smuggling,poor economic policy(if there is any)etc...
I guess at least in decepting their own constituency Serbian and Albanian politicians have a lot in common...

Our guy has more money than sense, and he’s not rich by any stretch of imagination.

Hash needs to stop smoking his namesake.

How, Thaci, international terrorist can to talk about democracy, when he was the mind of organs traffic of serbians.
How he can to talk about democracy when they was Talibans destroying Orthodox churches in Serbia (Kosovo)...
He must to be very hypocrite man...
In soon he will be in Hague, for criminal crimes against a people.
Regards
Joao

I hope this breaking news will calm some of the voice down.

Breaking News:

Gambia Recognised Kososo today!
We send our deepest thanks to Gambia and its people.

You are the lastest country to contribute to peace and stability to this region.

We love you all!

Why does not this guy set up an online betting company with the other forecast master our good friend Mircea.Instead of soccer ,tennis and basketball they could set odds for EU enlargment and Kosovo recognition related events.

It will be interesting in some year’s time to see their faces when even Serbia recognizes Kosovo, let alone Spain and few other EU countries.

Why would Serbia recognize Kosovo, unless the EU/US conglomerate tries to blackmail it into doing so. Spain has everything to lose and nothing to gain in recognizing Kosovo. The Spanish govt will not give the Basques or Catalonians the noose in which to hang themselves. The internal politics of Spain trumps any necessity to recognize the illegal pseudo-state of Kosovo. Hell, even the idiot Saakashvili will not recognize Kosovo because he doesn't want to lose pieces of Georgia over Kosovo (South Ossetia & Abkhazia). Kosovo cannot expect recognition from any country that has areas within it that have separatist intentions, get that through your thick Albanian heads. If Thaci and company have any sense they should be working on a strategy to deal with the repercussions of a ICJ vote against Kosovo. Kosovo will have quite a bit of damage control to deal with if the ICJ opinion is in favor of Serbia, after all Kosovo may actually see some of it's recognitions retracted if that happens.

Just because my country and a majority of the EU ones have recognized Kosovo (along with several countries that are so small and inconsequential that no one can find them on a map without a magnifying glass) what has Kosovo got, not much. China, Russia, India, Spain, Greece, many Islamic countries and so on and so forth haven't even thought about recognizing Kosovo as a state and with organized criminals running the place I seriously doubt they will anytime in the next 50 years or so. If I've said it once I have said it a thousand times...my country is not the end all, be all of the world. The many countries of the world that have not recognized Kosovo are merely standing up to the bully my country has become. Contrary to what the ethnic Albanians. think, my country when it comes to Kosovo, is all about interests (Camp Bondsteel, possible oil pipelines through the area, etc..). My govt does not care about the ethnic Albanians, it just cares about what it can get from the them. Even if every country in the world recognizes Kosovo it will never truly be a free state, it will continue til the end of days to be a satellite of my country and thus it will be treated as such. We will continue to tell your govt and it's followers to jump and they will continue to say "how high". Basically the United States OWNS you now, if the day comes when you will not obey the US govt than expect to lose everything we have given you. We will hold the illegal bombing of Serbia and it's armed forces and all we have done for the ethnic Albanians over their heads forever. At least the Serbs can say they are truly free people, they never gave in to NATO aggression as far as giving them bases on their own soil and the only way they lost any of that land was through outside force, plain and simple, not because of the ragged band of misfits known as the KLA. So no matter how all of this turns out, in the end the ethnic Albanians of Kosovo will either be under a Serbian flag or an American one and don't ever expect that an "independent" Kosovo actually means such a thing. This is what Thaci and company need to think about...is it better to have an autonomous Kosovo within Serbia where the ethnic Albanians can work with their Serb counterparts, be heard and strive together to make a better life for everyone in the country or to be a slave to my country forever with it pulling the strings of your govt like a puppetmaster does with a marionette.

Nicely said miri!

Although i to believe Spain is a long way from recognizing Kosovo, most of all because they are hard headed but in a year or less they will!
(Granit, 6 April 2009 21:52)

I wonder what would make you say that. What is the sign that makes you think that recognition is coming in a few years and why not recognize now then?

Why would Spain wait years to do something it can do today?
If you can tell me the answer to that question I might believe you.

Ohhh our "independence" supporters like roberto and other albanians are surely but slowly becoming desperate.
Thanks LOGIC very much ,but I think we will survive even if the RSD hits the 97 mark,don`t worry about us.
The most important thing is that Spain ,Russia will never recognize your American puppet hole,UNSR 1244 is still in force you will never join EU,NATO,UN,FIFA,UEFA etc.
We will keep you in that ghetto until the time comes to liberate "Stara Srbija"and believe me it will come.
And for roberto comparing democratic elected prime minister Putin with Kim Jong Ill says it all,unfortunately for you your "Landsmänner" ala Berezovsky,Gussinsky and the other specific oligarch criminals are not and never again will be in charge of the democratic Russia.

this guy must be the only politician in the world who makes it and then consistenly breaks his own records. Go Thaci go!
(Peter Sudyka, 6 April 2009 16:03)

Peter,

Thaci is by no means my favorite - but I have to admit, with what you say the undisputed world champion is Saakashvili, not Thaci.

And Thaci does not feed on ties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kid379OjuC0

(see at 1.01 - that tie should be a yummy-tie!)

this hatred and vehemence against so-called snake thaci is a bit bizarre, and i question some of the underlying thrust of it all, to say the least! can you imagine, in a world with Putin, with the leader of belarus, north korea, not to mention serbia and many other even less democratic regimes, such hatred speaks more about deeply held prejudices than facts and measured judgments.

but then this is probably obvious to all here, so why bother saying it?

the devil in the detail, indeed!

roberto
snowy de-troit
(roberto, 7 April 2009 01:47)

'roberto',

Your neo con, Bushite, "Axis of Evil - us against them" holds no water whatsoever.

Lumping democratic Serbia with its socialist/social democrat government led by a decent man, Boris Tadic in with Kim Jong Il & Putin is total and utter nonsense.

I'd hate to break this to you, but many democratically elected governments support Serbia. India (most populous democracy in the world), South Africa, Indonesia, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Mexico, New Zealand, Venezuela, Israel, the EU 5, just to name a few. I'm discounting the rest of Latin America, African and Asian countries who have emphatically said no.

You speak of "this hatred and vehemence", well if you look at your statement there is nothing but "hatred and vehemence" in your entire post towards Serbia and its people. Your false crocodile tears fool absolutley no one. You are nothing but a hypocrite and your words ring hollow.

I say this to you. Why dont you get on that plane and experience Serbia for yourself. You will be pleasantly suprised and the warm hospitality that you will receive from Serbia's many different peoples and enjoy she has has to offer to the curious tourist.

But first, we may want to extend the arrivals doorway for you at Belgrade airport to accommodate that big chip on your shoulder that you have.

so now our dear albanian friend roberto isn´t boring us from "frisco" anymore?

well, if it is snowing in Detroit these days, it seems you are a bad holiday-planer...

=)


ps: for all others here: he has no clue about San Francisco, what he had unvoluntarily exposed by calling this exceptionally nice little city "frisco"...
...while all who live there literally hate to hear someone call their city that way...

so much for credibility... =)

Roberto,

You probably feel very cold and very bitter in that depressing town of Detroit - not a place high on my list to visit.

Albin Kurti is far more radical as Albanian than Thaci. Why no one calls him names? Maybe because he has no criminal connections?

As for "snake" - that's not name-calling. While I find that nickname rather funny, for Albanians it's OK because according their legends, snake is not somewhat evil.

Besides, criticizing certain politicians is neither a personal attack on anyone present nor has anything to do with a nation.

Do yourself a favor and return to either SF or to Balkans as soon as you can. Even better, ride the train back home crossing the Rockies if you can. One of the best things one can do in the States and such ride cheers up everyone. I did it at least 8 times, it's better to go from East to West than the other way.

Ataman

I did not have the intention of hurting anybody with this remark,especially not you.
What I want to say is that I have noticed that most American diplomats,journalists,political advisors,senators,congressmenand others of Jewish origin have made repeatedly very strong anti-Serb and anti-Russian statements and actions like Holbrooke,Albright,Bill Kristol,Lantos and the list goes on and on...
So to me it is clear that the Jewish establishment in the US is very anti-Serb and anti-Russian,there is no doubt in my mind about that,and we all know that they are very inflent there.
What the nationality of Berezovsky and Gussinsky and is concerned,well they are Russian citizens but their nationality is Jewish.
As Deripaska is for example Russian,Iljumshinov Tartarian etc. and they all have done bad things to the country and it was in ruins these days,thats what I wanted to allude to...
I think there is a problem in Slavo-Jewish relations as a whole and we should speak it openly.Why is this so?I don`t know!

and the type of guy that thinks the West thinks only about letting them into the West.
(Peter Sudyka, 6 April 2009 19:19)

Yes, as Маяковский did say about some - we can say the same about Yuschenko, Saakashvili, Thaci: "с одного поля.. ЯГОДИЦЫ". Who is the bigger one.... that is open question. ;)

Nobody expects the Spanish recognition!

Soon to be posted on B92 but I just thought I should let you know that Gambia has recognized Kosovo

LOGIC don't worry the dinar is not in danger of collapse in the short term!
Interest rates have been cut 1.5% and tomorrow's euro will be worth 93 dinars.

As you might know a reduction in interest rates usually causes a loss in value of the currency as investors move to alternative currencies / lose confidence. This isn't happening (in fact the dinar is getting stronger) and another fundamental reason is that agreement with the IMF.

By the way the real reason why this deed (with IMF) was done was to be able to cut interest rates, in order to stimulate demand as Serbia enters recession.

My own opinion is that interest rates should be lowered steadily every month and the dinar be allowed to fluctuate around the 100 mark. That would be best for the Serbian economy all round.

poor old Nostradamus. A man that was once considered as a highly gifted prognosticator, but alas it would seem that he is no match compared to the many (almost always wrong) predictions that have been made on this forum.
He must be thinking that "if all he had to do was say whatever he felt like saying and people would beleive him, he'd have lived a richer life that he did to begin with".
Too bad that fortune telling has become a much less noble art, so much so that it is mostly carnival material, because I'm certain that many of you future tellers would have been admitted to the University of full scholarships for you naturally gifted abilities to tell what is going to happen, when, where, by whom.

Oh right... you've all been mostly wrong.

The future is still waiting for us to see. Lets stop pretending that we have some sort of extraordinary sense of perseption. Either you know or you don't, but personal opinions marketed as fact are far too easy to debunk and frankly waste more time that just the profound author's

Thaci is very optimistic, I must say.

your "Landsmänner" ala Berezovsky, Gussinsky and the other specific oligarch criminals are not and never again will be in charge of the democratic Russia.
(CG, 7 April 2009 12:13)

CG, I know precisely what you mean - and that comment was 100% unnecessary.

1) The "ethnic" ("ethnic"??) background of Berezovsky, Gussinsky et all is TBD. Have no idea, I know what you want to say, it's dead wrong, and besides, precisely the ones where it's not TBD ( = Russian immigrant communities in Brooklyn, Tel Aviv, etc) are the most hard-core supporters of Serbia. They do not fit the "capitalist Jewish pig" picture some Russians (but luckily much less Serbs) love to hate either.

2) What is the ethnic background of Medvedjev's wife - and did you know, Medvedjev was considering to take a second citizenship? (Guess, which one). This is not "pro" or "contra", just matter-of-fact. Does not make Medvedjev or Putin more or less sympathetic for me. At least, anti-semitism is not on the official agenda in Russia now and there is not even a visa regime with Israel.

As for people you did mention - I am not even convinced, it is an ethnic background at all. And even if yes, I am not even convinced, it's the same for everyone. The easiest way is just forget it as it is. They are simply Russians - period. Probably not the nicest ones and probably major thieves and mafiosi - there I agree. They are mental twins of Miskovic.

As for Roberto - his background is from Poland. Nothing more or less than that. Besides, being even temporarily in Detroit is a valid excuse to write things most do disagree with. Who does not know Detroit: it's really a horrible rat hole, unsafe, ugly, poor and with weather worth to pass on it. I would rather move to Kosovo that to Detroit. The undisputed "State Bird" of Michigan is mosquito.

Roberto can be happy, it's snowing now and it's not Summer when he would be introduced to the infamous "Michigan State Bird".

I was only few days in the area - never again, thanks!

I did not have the intention of hurting anybody with this remark,especially not you. 
What I want to say is that I have noticed that most American diplomats,journalists,political advisors,senators,congressmen and others of Jewish origin have made repeatedly very strong anti-Serb and anti-Russian statements and actions like Holbrooke, Albright, Bill Kristol, Lantos and the list goes on and on...
(CG, 7 April 2009 16:57)

1)
Not sure about Holbrooke, but at least two on your list (Albright and Lantos) are rather with Austro-Hungarian background. There wasn't any problem till Serbian popular uprising led by Croatian Ban Josip Jelacic against the well-intent but very inexperienced Hungarian revolutionary government in 1848. 1848 Austrians did realize, keeping the tensions will help them rule. So they did. That led ultimately to destruction of the Monarchy. It was not unusual to be anti-somebody (anti-Hungarian, anti-Serb, anti-Slovak, etc.) within the monarchy, so these (Albright + Lantos) are accounted for.

Besides, the Monarchy was quite a bit anti-Russian, too - here is the explanation. It's just within the families and not necessary to be taken way to seriously.

2)
Most people with the "similar"(?) background in the States I know are fiercely pro-Serbian. True, they did not "made" it to become "American diplomats, journalists, political advisors, senators, congressmen". Maybe THAT is the root of the problem. Because there are Austrians with clear Russian/Ukrainian origin who became close to the top of the political food chain - and they are not necessarily friends of Serbia. It's "the other way".

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"So to me it is clear that the Jewish establishment in the US is very anti-Serb and anti-Russian,there is no doubt in my mind about that,and we all know that they are very influent there."
(CG, 7 April 2009 16:57)

Yes, it's just rather the other way: in order to get on top in the politics, you need to have a certain stance (let's call it for simplicity "anti-Russian", it's close enough to that). That stance automagically also does mean "anti-Serbian" (not 100% correct, but close enough). There are enough Jews, Buddhists, Catholics, Woodoo-belivers, Irish, ex-Russians, Serbs, Chinese (you name them) in the States who desire to be on the top of the political food-chain simply because... say, they were losers in the school and nothing else is they can do in the real life, just be lawyers or politicians without a backbone. Here you go... If they would need, these people will sing "Od Topole pa do...." tomorrow and wear badges with picture of Adem Jashari after tomorrow.

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What the nationality of Berezovsky and Gussinsky and is concerned,well they are Russian citizens but their nationality is Jewish.
(CG, 7 April 2009 16:57)

I did not even know about them. Not that really I care much. BTW: Jewish "nationality" is a disputed thing, it's all, but clear who really they are. There is much controversy and so far even the Semitic origin of the people who escaped from Egypt and found the Iudea is a question. Also the proto-Slavic Hittite Kingdom in Anatolia did not disappear without traces.

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I think there is a problem in Slavo-Jewish relations as a whole and we should speak it openly.Why is this so?I don`t know!

(CG, 7 April 2009 16:57)

I do not know, I did think about it few days ago. The Slavic-Ugric relationship went sour precisely in 1848 "thanks" to mistakes of Hungarian government and Josip Jelacic. The Ugric-Russian relationship went "south" one year later, in 1849 when Hungary was invaded by Russian army "thanks" again to Austrians who asked Tsar Nicholas I for military help. Both did not recover since really.

There is no spur of anything of anti-Jewish in Russia till probably mid-18th century, but there were enough moslems and Jews there. Jews were also all over Armenia (there their origin is probably not a question - Armenians helped Romans in their campaign and received many slaves). Interestingly, there is no such thing as "antisemitism" in Armenia and barely if any in Georgia.

We know essentially nothing about early Ugric / Khazar / Subartean-Serbian / Hunnic history and their Sumerian connections and Lapis Lazuri trade routes for many reasons.

Austrian culture politics of late 19th Century and suppressing as much about the origin of Hungarians as possible being the main reason.

Sadly, even today this is an anathema in "official" Hungary.

What was convenient for Austrian culture minister of late 19th Century is maybe wrong today, but it does stay.

To answer your question we probably need to remove much of 19th century in Russia and Austro-Hungary. Before that it was not much to mention there at all.

I have a strange feeling, the Slavo-Jewish conflict was essentially "imported" from Germany - it did exist there for centuries. Since Hungarian Kingdom had to deal with significant number of Jews and Moslems from it's earliest days (3 of the 10 Hungarian tribes were Jewish-Khazar), there is a well-preserved record about king Könyves Kálmán and his laws regarding Jews and Moslems (they could not become the Palatine or the King or Treasurer unless converted - that's all "discrimination" in 13th century!) Compare it with pogroms in England and Holy Roman Empire (Germany) of the same time.

So it's probably a very "WESTERN" thing, like witch-hunt, torture and execution of criminals.

For instance, neither "Русская Правда" medieval law codex nor laws in Iudea of antiquity did know about torture. The law codex of king Könyves Kálmán (Hungary, 13th century) explicitly forbid witch hunts. There is no death penalty in "Русская Правда" and it was practically near-impossible for a court to impose such in Iudea either.

That "western" culture with quartering, burning at stake and etc. was a huge "progress" compared with Könyves Kálmán, Iudea and "Русская Правда" :(

That reminds me of NATO, of course. Obviously if you don't bend over and join it ASAP, you miss the progress of waterboarding on Guantanamo and bombing the Hellas Express at Grdelica. The anniversary of Grdelica coming soon. Hope, some from the Embassy will attend the ceremony a bit better way - not "as usual" :(

I have already repeated that i bet that Spain will be the last one of Eu COUNTRIES in recognizing Kosovo (IF IT WILL)..Anyway it's not Spain or Greece or Slowakia recognizing the most important thing because there is a lot of time ahead...as there is no chance of being part of EU as a member ,as in the case of Serbia, for the next years to come ..Most important for Kosovo is to maitain the "good will" of the main Eu power in order to achieve a form of "association ".. i remember to all the audience that if Lisbon treaty will go on , most of the resolutions towards external countries will be done in Eu by majority votes and this will favourite them ...

"Neither China, Russia, India, Greece, and nor the Islamic countries and so on and so forth have ever come out declaring that they will never recognize Kosovo."

PZ, you've got to be kidding, righ?
How many ways do Russia and China have to put it to you?
They have come out many times pledging support for Serbia. Do you not take that as a no for you?
I bet India has not even been approached by your masters, the US for a simple reason that the US already knows their answer and they cannot be bullied.
Greece has pledge support for Serbia on quite a few occasions as well. How do you then see that as a sign that they will switch sides?
These countries have never once indicated that they will support your cause and yet here you are telling us that they have not said a firm no. When someone comes out and openly declares support for the oppostition, you cannot possibly take it as anything else but a no.

Peggy, I’m not talking black and white here. I understand that Russia, China, India and some other countries are not that much in favor, and to my opinion it has to do more with their internal problems rather than being so much on Serbia’s side on this matter (apart from Russia). In a meeting that Kosovo FM had with China’s Ambassador to UN, this is what the China’s Ambassador said, quote: “China is interested to support further the region towards achieving sustainable peace and security. We will continue following Kosovo’s path, so we can formulate our stands and decisions”. Things seem to be improving, though not as fast as we would like, but it is important we are moving forward. I read the news that Indonesia has given some hints that they will recognize, though they once came out and openly pledging support for Serbia.
Also, with the latest development between Kosovo and Greece, it may not take to long before Greece takes decision to recognize Kosovo. What I want to say is that once these countries see that Kosovo can function as an independent state, and that Kosovo’s independence serves to the sustainable peace and security in the region, they will not hesitate to pledge support to our cause. Now, I also believe that Serbia itself is interested to prosper in a peaceful region, and work towards EU integration. To me there is no other way forward but leaving the past to the past and concentrate to the future.

Gambia Recognised Kososo today!
We send our deepest thanks to Gambia and its people.

You are the lastest country to contribute to peace and stability to this region.

We love you all!
(Amir, 7 April 2009 20:44)

I am not sure, you would love the life in Gambia more than opening a business in Belgrade. But with HDI index 0.471 and with the place #160 out of 179 it's probably a much more exiting place to talk about than Serbia (HDI index 0.821, place 65)

Otherwise you have to say probably "thank you" to the Albanian FM's wallet, like in the case of Maldives. He is the one who probably did "contribute". Of course he could buy that rat's hole for his lunch. I am jealous, he has the best wife in the universe: during his humble years in Enver Hoxha era she saved enough Lek to buy whole countries for a lunch and Ahtisaari for a dinner.

No, it's not any mafia connection or pyramid scheme, he just has a good wife and she has just good saving plan for the family: how make from few Lek / month salary few billion of Dollars in Swiss Bank.

She is the one you have to send your deepest tanks, she is a true wizard.

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@CG: And you spoke about financial midgets in Russia or I did mention Miskovic... C'mon! That's the way how to save serious money. And that's the way how to spend it (now - I am serious). Albanians show us, they mean the word "solidarity" very seriously. I cannot imagine Miskovic spending even a single Cent for Serbia's interest - rather the opposite.

Ataman said:

As for "snake" - that's not name-calling. While I find that nickname rather funny, for Albanians it's OK because according their legends, snake is not somewhat evil.

Can you tell us which legend? If you were smoking some good stuff we understeand you.

thaci can expect what he wants, as we can expect him to one day face the justice because of his bloody, terrorist UCK history ...

PZ:
> this is what the China’s Ambassador said, quote: “China is interested to support further the region towards achieving sustainable peace and security. We will continue following Kosovo’s path, so we can formulate our stands and decisions”

As long as we're being 'realistic', wouldn't be paying too much attention to the chinese ambassador's words - is only being diplomatic & 'chinese'.

With Tibet & Taiwan, chinese will only recognise when 'a certain very hot place' freezes over.

Ditto for Indonesia who have concerns over West Papua, Aceh, West Timor, & god knows how many other islands.

As for the Greeks, they have their own problems with albanians quite apart from the issue of Cyprus.


B92:
While I don't really have any desire to read posts fawning over Gambia, I do think it deserves a report on it's recognition... as there aren't exactly many of them these days ;)