"NATO decision up to Serbia"

Like we in Serbian say:
"Prave racun bez krcmara".
We don`t give a damn about this alliance,and we will do whatever it takes to harm them.We saw their "power" last summer in Georgia where they cried like little girls about the Russian humanitarian action there.

NATO became defunct in 1992, when its stated objective no longer existed. This is when NATO should have disbanded. Instead it decided to become a terror organization and broke both its own charter and the UN charter in order to destroy our country in 1999, with up to 100 billion dollars in damages, putting us behind 30 years.

It would be complete stupidity if we ever joined NATO. Look what happened to us Serbs when we joined in a union called Yugoslavia in 1918.

Just like the Axis alliance and SFRJ, the European Union and NATO is not for us Serbs.

"As for membership: Even minor border problems are not permitted to enter NATO, imagine Kosova. When he says it's up to Serbia, we know what that means: solve border issues with Croatia, Kosova and get along with your neighbors who need to be convinced to let you in.
(Alban, 4 April 2009 12:44) "

Alban,

Firstly, I don't think Serbia is crazy about Nato membership.

Secondly, since border issues will impede membership, that would effectively rule out any future membership for Kosovo too right?

Finally, amidst all the celebrations in Albania and Croatia, do spare a thought for those soldiers from these countries about to be suckered to be shipped to fight and die in Afghanistan and Iraq!

Alban, when are you going to realise that the overwhelming majority of Serbians do not want to join NATO nor the EU under these circumstances. Anything that gets in the way of membership to these immoral clubs is a gift to Serbia. It is only the EU/US paid for Serbian government that are pushing it but they certainly do not represent the people's will.

Please do everything you can to keep Serbia out of NATO. You are only doing us a favour.

How can he say that "NATO is ready to improve its relations with Serbia..." when NATO has done absolutely nothing to make amennds to Serbia for the atrocities it committed against the Serbs since the early 1990s?
I believe that over 95% of Serbs would vote NO if they were asked to decide on NATO entry.
I would love to believe that the Serbs have a representative government.
Has this government in Belgrade been interfered with?

MB,Ireland

With NATO out of Kosovo there would be no problem with having Serbia in NATO.

The UN resolution 1244 clearly intended a negotiated autonomy - if that is established a proper Balkan order and a proper world order would be in place.

For years the Albanians had been driving out Serbs from Kosovo, precipitating a war with which NATO interfered.

Although NATO used a humanitarian justification for the war, there is obviously a remnant of its previous anti-communist thinking in its attitude to Yugoslavia - expressed as a strong anti-Serbia and anti-Milosevic bias.

The US in particular took a very anti-Serbian bias even though the heads of all the states of the region were culpable in causing the troubles. Milosevic was a poor politician. The other heads of state were better at bending the truth as seen from the point of view of the west; Milosevic was more interested in bending the truth as seen by Serbs.

Although there was a humanitarian justification, there also is strong evidence of misdealing by the west implying they were dishonest in their motivations and justifications for bombing Kosovo. Serbia cannot realistically join NATO until NATO has faced up to these accusations.

Serbia has been labelled with many misdeeds, but that does not imply that the other parties involved were paragons of virtue.

The west is intent on punishing Serbia because of Bosnia (in particular) but is also motivated by the fact that it has more levers to keep Serbia in place than it does to stop the terrorist intent of Albanians in Kosovo should the UDI be stopped. It is wrong to reward the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo with what is IN ACTUALITY a monoethnic racist state.

Serbs of all political persuasions have little interest in joining NATO. This isn't some hubristic nationalism. Best for Serbia to remain neutral like Switzerland, or even Austria.

The only use I could see Serbia joining NATO for would be so it can take park in KFOR and have a presence in Kosovo other than just the northern side of the Ibar.

“… relations with Russia are of strategic importance … “

--- Who could doubt it now that the main problem of the Alliance is seeking for a rival to replace former USSR and thus to explain the sense of it’s own existence. Maybe they need 30 000 tanks to fight terrorists ? If they really need peace with the Talibs they can quite send there the Snake or Haradinai. But they don’t cause during occupation the Afghan harvest for heroin has increased 40 times ! So during these 60 years NATO reached none of the declared goals NOWHERE …

“ NATO's relationship with Serbia "has nothing to do with it".

--- If it were really so then why should Serbia be the only state mentioned in the context ?


“ It is up to Belgrade, and Belgrade alone, to point out to the degree to which it wishes to cooperate with the alliance”

--- The “degree” is measured by the readiness to raise hands up and accept all the ultimatums EU ,NATO and other US abroad institutions put before Serbia. Under what conditions they see Serbian membership now that Albania has obtained a veto !

I believe a referendum is the best and fairest way to decide possible NATO membership for Serbia.

"NATO is ready to improve its relations with Serbia. We have repeated that several times publicly. It is up to Belgrade, and Belgrade alone, to point out to the degree to which it wishes to cooperate with the alliance,"

What Serbia has done to herself. Now Serbia will delay so much with Mladic and by upsetting EU leaders that even in EU Croatia and Albania will get in first.

As for membership: Even minor border problems are not permitted to enter NATO, imagine Kosova. When he says it's up to Serbia, we know what that means: solve border issues with Croatia, Kosova and get along with your neighbors who need to be convinced to let you in.

"The EU is an elite club. The EU could help Serbia to achieve economic prosperity.

Just look at Slovenia. It is a member of the Eurozone and has a high standard of living.

Long live the European Union!
(Mircea, 4 April 2009 16:54"


Slovenia has something like 40% unemployment. The goods made in Slovenia are not even selling in their own country because the EU goods are selling instead..

Serbia does not need to join this organization run by manipulators.

Serbia should stick with Russia

Serbia can live without NATO and EU like a fish can't live without a... motorbike.

I was on a professional computer meeting today in Hungary. People told me, for most small business joining EU was a complete catastrophe.

I do not know, not my experience - but it's what I was told. The life for many became much worse.

As fro NATO - we already fight for Greater Hungary and against Trianon Treaty in Afghanistan. If Serbs want, it's up to them to fight for Velika Srbija in Kabul or Islamabad. I know, you are exited about that idea.

How can Serbia join any organization run by someone named Jap the Hoop?

Imagine Serbs ,Albanians ,Greeks ,Croatians ,Germans and Hungarians shoulder to shoulder in some forsaken Muslim land fighting for what your guess is as good as mine? It will be like old times like against the evil Muslim Turks. Dose it not give you the shakes and goose bumps all over just sign on the dotted line. Their will be express EU /Saudi investment bank non stop commercial planes leaving every hour to take you safely to your destination happy trails to you.

B92 Please edit my text, changing:

"with what is IN ACTUALITY a monoethnic racist state."

to be:

"with what is IN ACTUALITY intended to be monoethnic racist state."

..... I regret my earlier choice of words!!!

Thank you.

Don't quite think it is possible for Serbia to join NATO as long as Resolution 1244 is in effect.
How can you have NATO protecting an area from one of its own members??

Zoran,

The EU is an elite club. The EU could help Serbia to achieve economic prosperity.

Just look at Slovenia. It is a member of the Eurozone and has a high standard of living.

Long live the European Union!

MB,Ireland

You are right, let's apologize to the poor farmers harvesting dope in Afghanistan, apologize Osama for blowing up his bunkers with smart bombs, also to Saddam to drive him out from Kuwait and most of all to Serbia for not letting them make half Europe Greater Serbia with the ethnic cleansing going along with it.
(Hruz, 5 April 2009 20:53)

Hruz,

If you read past the Rupert Murdoch slanted view of world opinion you will know that what is happening in Afghanistan is alot different than what is being portrayed in the press. Innocent Afghan civilians are being murdered by the US cluster bombs. The Kabul government, a barely electable corrupt kleptocratic elite which remit barely extends beyond Kabul enjoys little popular support. Afghanistan is a fractious feudal society made up of many tribes of which the Taleban (Pashtuns) is one. If you read beyond the headlines, Afghanistan is a complex society and is not preented as the simplistic good v bad guy story that we get told in the press. Read Robert Fisk.

as for Saddam Hussein, well who put him there? Who gave him the chemical weapons he used to gas the Kurds? Who gave him the go ahead to attack Iran? Who handed him the list of the entire membership of the Communist Party of Iraq for him to liquidate? Who gave the nod & wink for him to perpetuate mass human rights abuses? He was the West's man. As long as he behaved and did the West's bidding he was ok. hen he got out of hand and attacked Kuwait, thats when he outlived his usefullness and had to be taken down. Yes when we liberated Kuwait, a corrupt oppresive, autocratic monarchy. Hardly a liberal democracy was it?

Just like the 2003 invasion of Iraq it was all about the oil. The West needed a cheap and reliable source of oil and to hell with anyone who got in the way. The weapons of mass destruction was used as an excuse, a pretext to attack. Yugoslavia was bombed to prevent the 'ethnic cleansing' of Yugoslavia's ethnic Albanians. We all know that it wasnt the case. The attack masked a more sinister intent. That of NATO to dismantle and destroy Yugoslavia and take control of the region. Classic imperialism.

Just like the war in Afghanistan. Its not about fighting the Taliban whom the West backed and supported against the Soviets in the 1980s. No, its about the West establishing a geo strategic foothold in the region.

Its all one big chess game Hruz and judging by your statement, you seem to have fallen for the media Murdoch spin.

it sounds like a joke; serbia should be crazy to join an organization that caused so many civilian deaths through an unprecedented aggression, that has by force ripped off it's province of kosovo, and that is a home for so many of serbian enemies ...
those critisizing serbia about its straying to undemocratic china and russia" should remember that the "democratic" nato leaders, like us and germany, have committed the greatest number of human casualties in the countries of the world... so much for the democracy issue..

I think the move away from NATO will alienate Serbia even more from Europe.

Serbia will become a full time Russian satelite in the Balkans and the west is trying to do everything they can to minimize russian influence in the region.

Rumania and Bulgaria joined EU prematurely exactly for this reason. Serbia obviously is heading east while the whole region is moving west.

This polarization will keep conflicts afloat in the area for years to come.

Daryl R,

EU membership leads to economic well being. Look at Slovenia.

Why should Serbia join NATO or EU, this is what I read from most people here.
I am asking why Serbia asks money from IMF which runs from those states that they are members of NATO or EU. Why Serbia does not asks money from Russia if they want to stay with Russia.

MB,Ireland

You are right, let's apologize to the poor farmers harvesting dope in Afghanistan, apologize Osama for blowing up his bunkers with smart bombs, also to Saddam to drive him out from Kuwait and most of all to Serbia for not letting them make half Europe Greater Serbia with the ethnic cleansing going along with it.

@Mathew,("I think the move away from NATO will alienate Serbia even more from Europe") Gosh, Mathew, you can't believe how many Serbs hope you're right. You can't believe how sick we are of the UK-USA-NATO-EU multi-axis (of evil)and your wars on terror that have killed millions. Do you need more mercenaries for Iraq and Afganistan? If so, go to Croatia and Albania. We, Serbs, are not afraid at all of becoming "russian satelite", because Russia recpect us, doesn't bomb us and doesn't pose any condition on our historic friendship and brotherhood. Go and peddle your ideas to the Poles, Latvians or Lithvanians. Serbs are FYI, Slavs and orthodox, just like Russians. No fear, man.

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"NATO is ready to improve its relations with Serbia. We have repeated that several times publicly. It is up to Belgrade, and Belgrade alone, to point out to the degree to which it wishes to cooperate with the alliance,"

What Serbia has done to herself. Now Serbia will delay so much with Mladic and by upsetting EU leaders that even in EU Croatia and Albania will get in first.

As for membership: Even minor border problems are not permitted to enter NATO, imagine Kosova. When he says it's up to Serbia, we know what that means: solve border issues with Croatia, Kosova and get along with your neighbors who need to be convinced to let you in.

Zoran,

The EU is an elite club. The EU could help Serbia to achieve economic prosperity.

Just look at Slovenia. It is a member of the Eurozone and has a high standard of living.

Long live the European Union!

It would be complete stupidity if we ever joined NATO. Look what happened to us Serbs when we joined in a union called Yugoslavia in 1918.

Just like the Axis alliance and SFRJ, the European Union and NATO is not for us Serbs.

Daryl R,

EU membership leads to economic well being. Look at Slovenia.

Like we in Serbian say:
"Prave racun bez krcmara".
We don`t give a damn about this alliance,and we will do whatever it takes to harm them.We saw their "power" last summer in Georgia where they cried like little girls about the Russian humanitarian action there.

Alban, when are you going to realise that the overwhelming majority of Serbians do not want to join NATO nor the EU under these circumstances. Anything that gets in the way of membership to these immoral clubs is a gift to Serbia. It is only the EU/US paid for Serbian government that are pushing it but they certainly do not represent the people's will.

Please do everything you can to keep Serbia out of NATO. You are only doing us a favour.

I believe a referendum is the best and fairest way to decide possible NATO membership for Serbia.

"As for membership: Even minor border problems are not permitted to enter NATO, imagine Kosova. When he says it's up to Serbia, we know what that means: solve border issues with Croatia, Kosova and get along with your neighbors who need to be convinced to let you in.
(Alban, 4 April 2009 12:44) "

Alban,

Firstly, I don't think Serbia is crazy about Nato membership.

Secondly, since border issues will impede membership, that would effectively rule out any future membership for Kosovo too right?

Finally, amidst all the celebrations in Albania and Croatia, do spare a thought for those soldiers from these countries about to be suckered to be shipped to fight and die in Afghanistan and Iraq!

NATO became defunct in 1992, when its stated objective no longer existed. This is when NATO should have disbanded. Instead it decided to become a terror organization and broke both its own charter and the UN charter in order to destroy our country in 1999, with up to 100 billion dollars in damages, putting us behind 30 years.

With NATO out of Kosovo there would be no problem with having Serbia in NATO.

The UN resolution 1244 clearly intended a negotiated autonomy - if that is established a proper Balkan order and a proper world order would be in place.

For years the Albanians had been driving out Serbs from Kosovo, precipitating a war with which NATO interfered.

Although NATO used a humanitarian justification for the war, there is obviously a remnant of its previous anti-communist thinking in its attitude to Yugoslavia - expressed as a strong anti-Serbia and anti-Milosevic bias.

The US in particular took a very anti-Serbian bias even though the heads of all the states of the region were culpable in causing the troubles. Milosevic was a poor politician. The other heads of state were better at bending the truth as seen from the point of view of the west; Milosevic was more interested in bending the truth as seen by Serbs.

Although there was a humanitarian justification, there also is strong evidence of misdealing by the west implying they were dishonest in their motivations and justifications for bombing Kosovo. Serbia cannot realistically join NATO until NATO has faced up to these accusations.

Serbia has been labelled with many misdeeds, but that does not imply that the other parties involved were paragons of virtue.

The west is intent on punishing Serbia because of Bosnia (in particular) but is also motivated by the fact that it has more levers to keep Serbia in place than it does to stop the terrorist intent of Albanians in Kosovo should the UDI be stopped. It is wrong to reward the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo with what is IN ACTUALITY a monoethnic racist state.

How can he say that "NATO is ready to improve its relations with Serbia..." when NATO has done absolutely nothing to make amennds to Serbia for the atrocities it committed against the Serbs since the early 1990s?
I believe that over 95% of Serbs would vote NO if they were asked to decide on NATO entry.
I would love to believe that the Serbs have a representative government.
Has this government in Belgrade been interfered with?

MB,Ireland

Serbia does not need to join this organization run by manipulators.

Serbia should stick with Russia

it sounds like a joke; serbia should be crazy to join an organization that caused so many civilian deaths through an unprecedented aggression, that has by force ripped off it's province of kosovo, and that is a home for so many of serbian enemies ...
those critisizing serbia about its straying to undemocratic china and russia" should remember that the "democratic" nato leaders, like us and germany, have committed the greatest number of human casualties in the countries of the world... so much for the democracy issue..

Why should Serbia join NATO or EU, this is what I read from most people here.
I am asking why Serbia asks money from IMF which runs from those states that they are members of NATO or EU. Why Serbia does not asks money from Russia if they want to stay with Russia.

How can Serbia join any organization run by someone named Jap the Hoop?

MB,Ireland

You are right, let's apologize to the poor farmers harvesting dope in Afghanistan, apologize Osama for blowing up his bunkers with smart bombs, also to Saddam to drive him out from Kuwait and most of all to Serbia for not letting them make half Europe Greater Serbia with the ethnic cleansing going along with it.

Serbs of all political persuasions have little interest in joining NATO. This isn't some hubristic nationalism. Best for Serbia to remain neutral like Switzerland, or even Austria.

The only use I could see Serbia joining NATO for would be so it can take park in KFOR and have a presence in Kosovo other than just the northern side of the Ibar.

B92 Please edit my text, changing:

"with what is IN ACTUALITY a monoethnic racist state."

to be:

"with what is IN ACTUALITY intended to be monoethnic racist state."

..... I regret my earlier choice of words!!!

Thank you.

“… relations with Russia are of strategic importance … “

--- Who could doubt it now that the main problem of the Alliance is seeking for a rival to replace former USSR and thus to explain the sense of it’s own existence. Maybe they need 30 000 tanks to fight terrorists ? If they really need peace with the Talibs they can quite send there the Snake or Haradinai. But they don’t cause during occupation the Afghan harvest for heroin has increased 40 times ! So during these 60 years NATO reached none of the declared goals NOWHERE …

“ NATO's relationship with Serbia "has nothing to do with it".

--- If it were really so then why should Serbia be the only state mentioned in the context ?


“ It is up to Belgrade, and Belgrade alone, to point out to the degree to which it wishes to cooperate with the alliance”

--- The “degree” is measured by the readiness to raise hands up and accept all the ultimatums EU ,NATO and other US abroad institutions put before Serbia. Under what conditions they see Serbian membership now that Albania has obtained a veto !

"The EU is an elite club. The EU could help Serbia to achieve economic prosperity.

Just look at Slovenia. It is a member of the Eurozone and has a high standard of living.

Long live the European Union!
(Mircea, 4 April 2009 16:54"


Slovenia has something like 40% unemployment. The goods made in Slovenia are not even selling in their own country because the EU goods are selling instead..

I think the move away from NATO will alienate Serbia even more from Europe.

Serbia will become a full time Russian satelite in the Balkans and the west is trying to do everything they can to minimize russian influence in the region.

Rumania and Bulgaria joined EU prematurely exactly for this reason. Serbia obviously is heading east while the whole region is moving west.

This polarization will keep conflicts afloat in the area for years to come.

Serbia can live without NATO and EU like a fish can't live without a... motorbike.

I was on a professional computer meeting today in Hungary. People told me, for most small business joining EU was a complete catastrophe.

I do not know, not my experience - but it's what I was told. The life for many became much worse.

As fro NATO - we already fight for Greater Hungary and against Trianon Treaty in Afghanistan. If Serbs want, it's up to them to fight for Velika Srbija in Kabul or Islamabad. I know, you are exited about that idea.

MB,Ireland

You are right, let's apologize to the poor farmers harvesting dope in Afghanistan, apologize Osama for blowing up his bunkers with smart bombs, also to Saddam to drive him out from Kuwait and most of all to Serbia for not letting them make half Europe Greater Serbia with the ethnic cleansing going along with it.
(Hruz, 5 April 2009 20:53)

Hruz,

If you read past the Rupert Murdoch slanted view of world opinion you will know that what is happening in Afghanistan is alot different than what is being portrayed in the press. Innocent Afghan civilians are being murdered by the US cluster bombs. The Kabul government, a barely electable corrupt kleptocratic elite which remit barely extends beyond Kabul enjoys little popular support. Afghanistan is a fractious feudal society made up of many tribes of which the Taleban (Pashtuns) is one. If you read beyond the headlines, Afghanistan is a complex society and is not preented as the simplistic good v bad guy story that we get told in the press. Read Robert Fisk.

as for Saddam Hussein, well who put him there? Who gave him the chemical weapons he used to gas the Kurds? Who gave him the go ahead to attack Iran? Who handed him the list of the entire membership of the Communist Party of Iraq for him to liquidate? Who gave the nod & wink for him to perpetuate mass human rights abuses? He was the West's man. As long as he behaved and did the West's bidding he was ok. hen he got out of hand and attacked Kuwait, thats when he outlived his usefullness and had to be taken down. Yes when we liberated Kuwait, a corrupt oppresive, autocratic monarchy. Hardly a liberal democracy was it?

Just like the 2003 invasion of Iraq it was all about the oil. The West needed a cheap and reliable source of oil and to hell with anyone who got in the way. The weapons of mass destruction was used as an excuse, a pretext to attack. Yugoslavia was bombed to prevent the 'ethnic cleansing' of Yugoslavia's ethnic Albanians. We all know that it wasnt the case. The attack masked a more sinister intent. That of NATO to dismantle and destroy Yugoslavia and take control of the region. Classic imperialism.

Just like the war in Afghanistan. Its not about fighting the Taliban whom the West backed and supported against the Soviets in the 1980s. No, its about the West establishing a geo strategic foothold in the region.

Its all one big chess game Hruz and judging by your statement, you seem to have fallen for the media Murdoch spin.

Imagine Serbs ,Albanians ,Greeks ,Croatians ,Germans and Hungarians shoulder to shoulder in some forsaken Muslim land fighting for what your guess is as good as mine? It will be like old times like against the evil Muslim Turks. Dose it not give you the shakes and goose bumps all over just sign on the dotted line. Their will be express EU /Saudi investment bank non stop commercial planes leaving every hour to take you safely to your destination happy trails to you.

Don't quite think it is possible for Serbia to join NATO as long as Resolution 1244 is in effect.
How can you have NATO protecting an area from one of its own members??

@Mathew,("I think the move away from NATO will alienate Serbia even more from Europe") Gosh, Mathew, you can't believe how many Serbs hope you're right. You can't believe how sick we are of the UK-USA-NATO-EU multi-axis (of evil)and your wars on terror that have killed millions. Do you need more mercenaries for Iraq and Afganistan? If so, go to Croatia and Albania. We, Serbs, are not afraid at all of becoming "russian satelite", because Russia recpect us, doesn't bomb us and doesn't pose any condition on our historic friendship and brotherhood. Go and peddle your ideas to the Poles, Latvians or Lithvanians. Serbs are FYI, Slavs and orthodox, just like Russians. No fear, man.

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