Tadić: U.S.-Serbia relations free of "Kovačević burden"

Competence of Serbian judiciary. ha!
The Great European State of The Republic of Serbia gives our little boy to dangerous heroin addict. Long live Serbia!
Her Honor Judge Maja Marinkovic, of the First Municipal Court of Belgrade, in her great wisdom and concern for a child's welfare, ruled that we MUST give our son Ilija to his heroin addict biological father two weekends per month. We may not appeal or disobey the ruling and if we don't give him to the man who threatens to kill us, drives drunk with Ilija with no seatbelt and pays no alimentation, Jelena can go to prison and Ilija can be taken away permanantly. Our family would like to congratulate The Great European State of the Republic of Serbia for its infinite wisdom and sense of justice, and invite all Respected State Officials to Ilija's funeral if he is killed in a car crash. Thank you,

Jelena Kajtaz and Russell Gordon

The U.S. is known for having the best judicial system in the world and it makes unfair and illogical rulings countless times. Sometimes judges make bad rulings and sometimes people on the jury make awful decisions. If you are looking for a perfect judicial system, you will never find one. Let us all hope that the boy's father comes to his senses and does not put your child in harm's way.

Peggy,

Let me tell you a story that very sadly happened to a good friend of mine not so long ago.

He was a reasonably successful businessmen who had built a small concern from scratch. He worked long hours and had little time for socialising and was unmarried. One day, when he was in his late 20s a beautiful young creature waltzed into his life and swept him off his feet. She was 21 at the time. 5 years and 2 children later, his business ran into a few difficulties due to customers going bust without paying their bills. His business folded. His lovely wife became disinterested and went looking for another partner. Once she'd caught her guy, she left, taking the children with her. The new guy in her life was 40 something and loaded. He was already in semi-retirement and living partly in Spain.

And there the problems really started. They had divorced quite amicably for the sake of the children - irrespective of the fact he (my friend) didn't want to divorce. Then, one day, the new husband found himself in a spot of bother with the police. It seems his wealth had not been earned completely legitimately - and he legged it to Spain permanently. Wife and children were unable to follow because of a court order which permitted my friend 1 day per week with his kids. At the time, they were the only things keeping him going as he tried to rebuild his life after losing business and marriage.

Ex wife wanted to move out to Spain to be with her new husband and his life of idle luxury. So, they concocted a story that she started to put around. The story involved tales of my friend drinking excessively, mistreating the children and even that he had physically assaulted her on a regular basis. There was even a subtle hint that he was sexually abusing his young daughter! It was all absolute nonsense, but that was not the point. Ex wife and new husband wanted the court to cancel my friends rights to see his own kids - just so they could live in Spain out of the reach of the police.

The kids were put through hell as they were coaxed to lie about their father and to tell stories about things he hadn't and would never do. All so mummy and new husband could live an easy life. They even planted stories in the local press to get public opinion on their side.

They won. Primarily based upon the 'evidence' presented by the children.

Less than 18 months later, ex wife has tired of new husband (being on the run from the law with 2 kids!!!) and found herself yet another rich partner whilst he was holidaying in Spain.

By a strange coincidence, I bumped into ex wife (now on 3rd husband) and the two children not so long ago. The children so desperately miss their real father who they haven't seen for about 5 years (my friend has a court order now banning him from all contact!!!). The boy, now 10, blames himself for that because of the lies he told (although forced to by his mother).

Peggy, not every story is as it first seems when you read it in the press.

I have no idea who Vladimir, Jelena and Gordon are. But please do not automatically jump to the conclusion that the court has got it wrong simply because it goes against the stories placed into the press by one party trying to influence the courts decision.

I pass no judgment on either Jelena/Gordon or Vladimir. For the sake of Ilija, they need to sort this out amicably and not to try and get court orders that prevent one parent from seeing his/her own children.

Bob

Jelena and Russel,

I do share your concern for the welfare of your child, but please don't base the whole court system on one bad judgement.
I live in Australia and I can tell you that some of the rulings our judges make would make you wonder if these people live on the same planet as us.
Family court judges especially make ridiculous rulings here. Handing kids over to abusive parent for weekend and even half school holidays because they want to keep children and their biological parents in contact as much as possible. It's only when something happens, they act differently.

Decisions can be appealed too so I hope that you will be able to have your case heard by another judge.

In this case, I do belive that justice will be done as the world is watching. They won't be able to sweep anything under the carpet. I don't mean to imply a that this young man should be repremanded severely or let go, but just that justice should be and will be done.

Bob the Builder,

Sure there was a child because of a union. How many of us marry a person who turn out to be our worst nightmare. This is no reason to subject an innocent child to be abused for a very long time. The mother gets out but then has to leave her poor innocent child to be abused.
What is wrong with you?
You are truly one uncaring man.
I can only hope that there aren't too many of you around.

Russell, I admire your devotion and protection towards this child. You are a caring man who deserves to be praised for your efforts.
Please don't let people like Bob upset you. Not many would listen to him.

Jelena and Russel I feel for you guys. I know it probably goes against everything you stand for but its time for a bit of behind the scenes 'lobbying'. I am not suggesting bribery by the way, just some clarification on the case. Do not leave any stone unturned in the political field. It might be worth giving Prince Aleksandar a try also, if you have not already.

The Serbian judicial system is not in a good way and is politicised. Thus the solution to your problem lies in the political field.

I wish you guys luck and I know its hard, but would encourage you not to do anything to damage your case.

To the clowns that gave Gordon's and Jelena's post the thumbs down. Have some respect for God's sake, we are talking about the welfare of a child here.

Dear Peggy,

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Yes, you are correct in your asessment that such rulings are not a strictly Serbian phenomena; human stupidity is limited to no nationality or creed. That said, after 15 years with the Serbs, I tend to have a dark and cynical sense of humor. Indeed, whenever I hear of a similar outrage in my home country of USA, I shout: "That proves it! America is Serbischen territory!".
;-) Hugs to Aussie Serbs Down Under. Russell and Jelena

To Jelena and Gordon,

I won't pretend to know the full story regarding your past and private affairs. Nor do I wish to condone your son to, potentially, a life of misery - assuming the accusations against Vladimir are accurate.

Nevertheless, you (Jelena) made choices in your life that you now have to live with. You conceived a child. Later, you chose to marry the father. You chose to leave your husband and take your child. You chose to live with another man. You made some bad decisions like we all do.

And you, Gordon, accepted Jelena's past when you took her in.

Just because the Serbian Courts will not wave a magic wand and make all those bad decisions disappear does not make their (the court) decision wrong. Just because they did not give you the result you wanted, does not give you the right to commit criminal damage in frustration.

Vladimir exists in your life because of your choices. Deal with it and stop throwing teddies out of cot when you don't get your own way.

Bob

Bob, if what you are saying is the truth, then I do feel for your friend but the wife will pay the price later on when the children abandon her.
But, please read your comment again. You say that Jelena made a choice and married the man and then made a choice to have a child. Then she made another choice to leave this man so this is her problem now.

Sure, she made a choice to leave the husband, but WHY?
This is an important question. Are you trying to imply that she is lying about the abuse because you know of one case where a woman has lied? Is this your proof that she is lying and she left her husband because he simply could not satisfy her apatite for money or whatever. Ever considered that there are many, many abusive men out there who are dangerous and she only found that out after some time living with this man.

Please don't judge every case by the way your friend was treated.

You say that Russell knew her past and obviously now has to accept her. Who says that any of this is her fault? You?
Russell may be the only father this child should know and he should be commended for standing up for this innocent child. A child is always innocent and should always be protected, even from their parents if need be.

So, maybe your friend has had it tough, but that is no reason to judge every case on him. If you read your post you will see that you have done exactly that. You seem very accusing of the mother and don't even doubt that the father could be dangerous.

I am pretty sure he will be found guilty. The evidence is there and his fleeing the US was not because he was afraid of being framed, but because he felt he would go to prison, lose his basketball scholarship and possibly ruin his life. (I don't believe the press on the US bias against Serbs would have punished him mor ethan if he was Iraqi, Canadian, English, or something else)
I think Serbian court will find him guilty and deal appropriate sentencing as it should do.

I am also pleased that Serbia stuck to its constitution and didn't extradite him. (Clinton's verbal pressure was embarrasing for Americans)

Good luck with the case.

Competence of Serbian judiciary. ha!
The Great European State of The Republic of Serbia gives our little boy to dangerous heroin addict. Long live Serbia!
Her Honor Judge Maja Marinkovic, of the First Municipal Court of Belgrade, in her great wisdom and concern for a child's welfare, ruled that we MUST give our son Ilija to his heroin addict biological father two weekends per month. We may not appeal or disobey the ruling and if we don't give him to the man who threatens to kill us, drives drunk with Ilija with no seatbelt and pays no alimentation, Jelena can go to prison and Ilija can be taken away permanantly. Our family would like to congratulate The Great European State of the Republic of Serbia for its infinite wisdom and sense of justice, and invite all Respected State Officials to Ilija's funeral if he is killed in a car crash. Thank you,

Jelena Kajtaz and Russell Gordon

To Jelena and Gordon,

I won't pretend to know the full story regarding your past and private affairs. Nor do I wish to condone your son to, potentially, a life of misery - assuming the accusations against Vladimir are accurate.

Nevertheless, you (Jelena) made choices in your life that you now have to live with. You conceived a child. Later, you chose to marry the father. You chose to leave your husband and take your child. You chose to live with another man. You made some bad decisions like we all do.

And you, Gordon, accepted Jelena's past when you took her in.

Just because the Serbian Courts will not wave a magic wand and make all those bad decisions disappear does not make their (the court) decision wrong. Just because they did not give you the result you wanted, does not give you the right to commit criminal damage in frustration.

Vladimir exists in your life because of your choices. Deal with it and stop throwing teddies out of cot when you don't get your own way.

Bob

The U.S. is known for having the best judicial system in the world and it makes unfair and illogical rulings countless times. Sometimes judges make bad rulings and sometimes people on the jury make awful decisions. If you are looking for a perfect judicial system, you will never find one. Let us all hope that the boy's father comes to his senses and does not put your child in harm's way.

Peggy,

Let me tell you a story that very sadly happened to a good friend of mine not so long ago.

He was a reasonably successful businessmen who had built a small concern from scratch. He worked long hours and had little time for socialising and was unmarried. One day, when he was in his late 20s a beautiful young creature waltzed into his life and swept him off his feet. She was 21 at the time. 5 years and 2 children later, his business ran into a few difficulties due to customers going bust without paying their bills. His business folded. His lovely wife became disinterested and went looking for another partner. Once she'd caught her guy, she left, taking the children with her. The new guy in her life was 40 something and loaded. He was already in semi-retirement and living partly in Spain.

And there the problems really started. They had divorced quite amicably for the sake of the children - irrespective of the fact he (my friend) didn't want to divorce. Then, one day, the new husband found himself in a spot of bother with the police. It seems his wealth had not been earned completely legitimately - and he legged it to Spain permanently. Wife and children were unable to follow because of a court order which permitted my friend 1 day per week with his kids. At the time, they were the only things keeping him going as he tried to rebuild his life after losing business and marriage.

Ex wife wanted to move out to Spain to be with her new husband and his life of idle luxury. So, they concocted a story that she started to put around. The story involved tales of my friend drinking excessively, mistreating the children and even that he had physically assaulted her on a regular basis. There was even a subtle hint that he was sexually abusing his young daughter! It was all absolute nonsense, but that was not the point. Ex wife and new husband wanted the court to cancel my friends rights to see his own kids - just so they could live in Spain out of the reach of the police.

The kids were put through hell as they were coaxed to lie about their father and to tell stories about things he hadn't and would never do. All so mummy and new husband could live an easy life. They even planted stories in the local press to get public opinion on their side.

They won. Primarily based upon the 'evidence' presented by the children.

Less than 18 months later, ex wife has tired of new husband (being on the run from the law with 2 kids!!!) and found herself yet another rich partner whilst he was holidaying in Spain.

By a strange coincidence, I bumped into ex wife (now on 3rd husband) and the two children not so long ago. The children so desperately miss their real father who they haven't seen for about 5 years (my friend has a court order now banning him from all contact!!!). The boy, now 10, blames himself for that because of the lies he told (although forced to by his mother).

Peggy, not every story is as it first seems when you read it in the press.

I have no idea who Vladimir, Jelena and Gordon are. But please do not automatically jump to the conclusion that the court has got it wrong simply because it goes against the stories placed into the press by one party trying to influence the courts decision.

I pass no judgment on either Jelena/Gordon or Vladimir. For the sake of Ilija, they need to sort this out amicably and not to try and get court orders that prevent one parent from seeing his/her own children.

Bob

Bob the Builder,

Sure there was a child because of a union. How many of us marry a person who turn out to be our worst nightmare. This is no reason to subject an innocent child to be abused for a very long time. The mother gets out but then has to leave her poor innocent child to be abused.
What is wrong with you?
You are truly one uncaring man.
I can only hope that there aren't too many of you around.

Russell, I admire your devotion and protection towards this child. You are a caring man who deserves to be praised for your efforts.
Please don't let people like Bob upset you. Not many would listen to him.

Jelena and Russel,

I do share your concern for the welfare of your child, but please don't base the whole court system on one bad judgement.
I live in Australia and I can tell you that some of the rulings our judges make would make you wonder if these people live on the same planet as us.
Family court judges especially make ridiculous rulings here. Handing kids over to abusive parent for weekend and even half school holidays because they want to keep children and their biological parents in contact as much as possible. It's only when something happens, they act differently.

Decisions can be appealed too so I hope that you will be able to have your case heard by another judge.

In this case, I do belive that justice will be done as the world is watching. They won't be able to sweep anything under the carpet. I don't mean to imply a that this young man should be repremanded severely or let go, but just that justice should be and will be done.

I am pretty sure he will be found guilty. The evidence is there and his fleeing the US was not because he was afraid of being framed, but because he felt he would go to prison, lose his basketball scholarship and possibly ruin his life. (I don't believe the press on the US bias against Serbs would have punished him mor ethan if he was Iraqi, Canadian, English, or something else)
I think Serbian court will find him guilty and deal appropriate sentencing as it should do.

I am also pleased that Serbia stuck to its constitution and didn't extradite him. (Clinton's verbal pressure was embarrasing for Americans)

Good luck with the case.

Jelena and Russel I feel for you guys. I know it probably goes against everything you stand for but its time for a bit of behind the scenes 'lobbying'. I am not suggesting bribery by the way, just some clarification on the case. Do not leave any stone unturned in the political field. It might be worth giving Prince Aleksandar a try also, if you have not already.

The Serbian judicial system is not in a good way and is politicised. Thus the solution to your problem lies in the political field.

I wish you guys luck and I know its hard, but would encourage you not to do anything to damage your case.

To the clowns that gave Gordon's and Jelena's post the thumbs down. Have some respect for God's sake, we are talking about the welfare of a child here.

Dear Peggy,

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Yes, you are correct in your asessment that such rulings are not a strictly Serbian phenomena; human stupidity is limited to no nationality or creed. That said, after 15 years with the Serbs, I tend to have a dark and cynical sense of humor. Indeed, whenever I hear of a similar outrage in my home country of USA, I shout: "That proves it! America is Serbischen territory!".
;-) Hugs to Aussie Serbs Down Under. Russell and Jelena

Bob, if what you are saying is the truth, then I do feel for your friend but the wife will pay the price later on when the children abandon her.
But, please read your comment again. You say that Jelena made a choice and married the man and then made a choice to have a child. Then she made another choice to leave this man so this is her problem now.

Sure, she made a choice to leave the husband, but WHY?
This is an important question. Are you trying to imply that she is lying about the abuse because you know of one case where a woman has lied? Is this your proof that she is lying and she left her husband because he simply could not satisfy her apatite for money or whatever. Ever considered that there are many, many abusive men out there who are dangerous and she only found that out after some time living with this man.

Please don't judge every case by the way your friend was treated.

You say that Russell knew her past and obviously now has to accept her. Who says that any of this is her fault? You?
Russell may be the only father this child should know and he should be commended for standing up for this innocent child. A child is always innocent and should always be protected, even from their parents if need be.

So, maybe your friend has had it tough, but that is no reason to judge every case on him. If you read your post you will see that you have done exactly that. You seem very accusing of the mother and don't even doubt that the father could be dangerous.