Who cares in Montenegro if the relationship between Podgorica and Belgrade could improve or deteriorate? Unfortunately for Serbian people, Serbia is becoming just a little black hole in the Balkans.
This summer i'll be going on holidays to Serbia, Republika Srpska & Greece. I'd rather spend my $AUD dollars in Greece than in Montenegro or Croatia. I wouldn't give them a $1, as for Djukanovic he is a criminal and should be in jail!
Accepting reality? So in your opinion Georgia should also accept reality and recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia?
And we the West should recognize Taiwan, as it is an independent state in reality.
If you stress 'reality' what is international law worth?
(Ron, 31 March 2009 15:32)
Ron,
We all know by now that our Scottish friend is living in a fantasy make-believe, neo-liberal, might is right world. The reality Ian is that Serbia isnt giving up its province any time soon.
What Ian is offering Serbia is nothing more than that of becoming a vassal state and President Tadic, the status of a local 'coolie'. Being a wannabe British Imperialist who pines for the old days of a morning game of tennis on a sparkling lawn in Nyasaland, afternoon tea on the veranda in Malaya, sitting atop an Indian elephant with his rifle and tropical hat, shouting at the coolies, evicting landless Irish peasant farmers or chasing down those pesky fuzzy wuzzies in the Sudan...I see where he is coming from. :)
Poor chap, the sun has long since set on the British Empire.
Pejoni "Shouldnt this alone tell Serbia, majority of Montenegro's citizens support its Government for recognizing Kosovo." What it shows is that Montenegro is just like Belarus - a country run by a dictator, the only difference being that one is backed by the West, the other by the East.
nikshala "People who vote against nationalistic ideologies of Serbs are not 'Serb haters' - they are sensible." Using that logic, you could say that Albanians that follow Thaci in demanding to keep the north of Kosovo are supporting a nationalistic agenda and as such should be condemned and ostracised. So let's hear you condemn Kosovo's "leaders" and declare that they are wrong to pursue a nationalistic agenda.
Ian, UK "that Montenegro did the right thing because they accepted reality" There's no denying that Djukanovic is pragmatic when it comes to saving his own skin and looking after his own interests. To be fair, everyone knows that if he didn't have a any power in Montenegro he'd be on the first plane to an EU court for a whole host of crimes.
Demi "lbania and Croatia is a done deal because they have allready reconized Kosovo and are going to be member of EU just like they are being member of Nato" You make a fundamental error in comparing the EU with NATO. NATO will gladly take both countries immediately but the same cannot be said of the EU. Croatia will be first in , the rest many years later and as Serbia is the most important country in the Balkans it'll be in before Albania. Serbia is a mess but Albania is practically still in the stone age in comparison.
"Bosnia will in 3 week's begin the first fase by reconizing the passports of the republic of Kosovo." Now we know that 1)you live in fantasy land, or 2) you're ignorant about Bosnia. Hey, Einstein, how is Bosnia going to recognise Kosovo passports when both halves of Bosnia must agree to do so and republiks srpska refuses to recognise them?
"You will be poor just like Russia." Hehehe, you obviously don't know what a balance sheet looks like. Ask some of your more knowledgable Albanain friends who is ina better condition - Russian finances (no debt) or the US (huge levels of debt).
Dulo "Montenegro has ecconomic potentials for any state to envy." I agree.
"You see what democracy achives when nationalism is left behind." Don't confuse democracy with autocracy and don't dismiss nationalism so quickly either. If Djukanovic needed nationailsm to keep power in Montenegro, he'd use it just like Milosevic did. This man is no angel or saint, face reality and see what he really is. Serbia doesn't have a nationalistic govt in place at the moment. You want to see nationalism, look at Sanader or Kostunica, but not Tadic.
EA "Rest assured that Montenegro is not desperate for good relationship with Serbia" I ahve to disagree with this as most of the revenue for Montenegro comes from Serbians taking their holidays in Montenegro. Milo needs to be careful what he says as lot's of Serb tourists now travel to Greece and Bulgaria instead and there aren't enough foreigners (yet) for Djukanovic to rely on to take up the lack.
no communication whatsoever until the djukanovic regime is out of power; the only credibility he has in serbia is one of a traitor; his decision to recognize kosovo has a very specific weight and represents the darkest hour in the history of montenegro; how sad it is to realize that all the major decisions in montenegro are tied to djukanovic's personal situation and trying to make up for his criminal record (cigarette smuggling, accepting bribes, running away from his role as milosevic's former ally at the cost of serbia's interests, etc); one thing he didn't think about is that by recognizing kosovo he opened a very difficult border question with serbia (the same goes for macedonia, etc.)
>>Montenegro has economic potentials for any state to envy. You see what democracy achieves when nationalism is left behind.
(Dulo, 31 March 2009 14:44)
thank you, Dulo, i appreciated your comment on many levels and it gave me a good laugh!
how-ever, i just spoke with my balkan "expert" (yes, i do have one)and he assured me that even compared to all of the other corrupt balkan politicians (and they are ubiquitous, come on folks!) montenegro's leader takes the cake, and that's saying a lot :)
nevertheless i am DEEPly grateful that they finally separated from slobo and co. (better late than never) and all of those evil policies. and then recognizing kosovo/a which took some guts. so thank you montenegro, and yes that coastline is unbelievable!!! but my heart (as balkan coasts go) belongs to Dubrovnik. what a magical little city...
Are you still on about how Serbia has to recognize Kosovo in order ot join EU?
Either you have not been keeping up with the news or just refuse to accept reality. It's been stated over and over that recognition of Kosovo is NOT a condition. Please tell us, who told you this is a condition. I mean who besides New Kosova Report?
I read that ridiculous comment there only.
Everything and everyone has to expire sometime. So Djukanovic and Tadic will as well. I know they will leave quite a bit of damage behind them but Serbia has been through worse and come out on top. Russia will be there once those traitors are booted out of government.
It won't happen overnight, but it will happen.
You'll be waiting a long time Emperor Milo.
Who in the area apart from Serbs, doesn't have a seaside to go to? Are Bosnians gonna come spend their money in Montenegro - no, they'll go to Croatia coast.
Serbia doesn't care about you Milo. Stop wasting everyone's time.
I do believe that many of the leaders of the states care much more of their chairs than their own electorate. This is why Ukrainian leaders against the will of ordinary people seek confrontation with Russia , Đukanović is poisoning brotherhood with Serbia , Macedonia keeps away from Bulgaria ect.
You need a big microscope to find some difference between Motenegrins and Serbs. Even their presidents were trained at the same Overseas and it’s big tragedy if the two nations do not stop this developments.
Nobody doubts that it is Đukanović whom we must blame for permanent worsening the relations. So if I were Boris I would definitely complain to Mrs. Clinton and ask her to punish the bad pupil.
"Rethink recognition of Kosovo and then see if you can improve relations"
Conditions on a independent country like Montenegro? Rest assured that Montenegro is not desperate for good relationship with Serbia but purely asking a sensible thing.
Its not finished business, obviously you didn't talk to some of the Goranis, Ashkalis, Romas, ethnic Croats, Serbs...even Slovaks and Hungarians who lived down there...try telling them there houses, land etc. is finished business...I don't think so. You spoke with a few people, who don't care about Kosovo-Metohija, but there are hundreds of thousands from there that do.
Unbelivable! Is it not true that Djukanovic is still wanted by Interpol for his role in the cigarete and petrol smugling during the '90-is? It seams to me the only reason he is still in power is to avoid going to jail. Serbia certainly does not need to deal with this crook.
It has often been said that Serbia will have to recognise Kosovo to become an EU member. This to me seems unlikely as 5 of the current 27 members themselves don't recognise Kosovo. These 5 countries are likely and will be able to block any admission attempt by Kosovo.
Montenegro and Macedonia only recognised Kosovo to curry favour with the US and the pro-Kosovo block within the EU.
Guys, why dont you all focus in something that will improve the ilfe of ordinary Serbin citizen instead.
Last weekend I drove to Belgrade. Talking to people I realised that a small minority is interested in Kosovo issue as this is a finished business. They were more interested in better life and jobs. If you all manage to deal with this issue, than Kosovo issue would be adressed in better. As it is, you are all helping Kosovo work more fanatically in the creation of a stronger state.
You know Ian, UK, it is interesting to think that if Scotland became independent not many people would mind. English or Scottish.
Same as with Montenegro - it was always a different country.
But if the whole of Midlothian and Edinburgh were to suddenly announce that it was to become an independent 'state' and fly the English flag, there would be absolute outrage.
I can't believe that you don't get the different between the amicable division of a federation and the annexation of a province.
I doesn't look like I'll be holidaying in Montenegro for quite some time. I'll be heading to Greece and Cyprus this year. Also, Romania and Slovakia are on the list during the hotter months.
I do feel sorry for those Montenegrins who will lose out financially. The decisions of their government will backfire sooner or later because we all know Serbia will never recognise Kosovo as independent. The bankrupt West is losing its grip and that means the unfolding of their Kosovo policy.
It looks like the Czech Republic will be the first to revoke recognition now. Montenegro will probably be the third I'd say.
Rethink recognition of Kosovo and then see if you can improve relations.
I am stunned that Djukanovic won again. How many Albanians and other Serbs haters live in Montenegro?
(Peggy, 31 March 2009 10:44)
Do you think that Mr Djukanovic cares what you think?
He clearly states, you made our ambassador 'person non grata', its your move.
Do not wait for us, to come running to Belgrade, its more other way around.
Montenegro has ecconomic potentials for any state to envy. You see what democracy achives when nationalism is left behind.
As it turns out, Djukanovic and his tribe took the €U/Germany bait and swolowed it with hook and everything but the neoliberal borg hive we know as "€U" does make promises and when they do, they never keep it.
Even if they where granted membership, what is it worth? A ruined economy, powerty mass-unenployment and a few superrich €Urocrats and oligarcs feeding from peoples tax-money.
€USA was yesterday and soon no more the present and future are Russias and Chinas.
"Where are those who said there is no chance Djukanovic will win again for recognizing the new Republic of Kosovo? Shouldnt this alone tell Serbia, majority of Montenegro's citizens support its Government for recognizing Kosovo.
(Pejoni, 31 March 2009 12:26)"
Did Djukanovic during the campaign say "vote for me as I recognized Kosovo" ?
No. I suspect the majority voted for his party for reasons other than this. An opinion poll of this specific issue would be a much better indicator of what you are claiming.
There should be no normalisation of relations with Montenegro until they rescind their recognition of the fake, illegal and immoral 'state' of Kosovo.
It is that simple. The same goes for FYROM. Serbs should not spend a cent in unfriendly countries who do not respect their territorial integrity.
Milo, you will be waiting along time, and with this global recession, I hope you're new reign is short. People have less to spend on travel and Aluminum as a commodity is severly depressed...enjoy you're wait.
Montenegro had to reconize Kosovo to have a chance to be a EU-member. Now Montenegro are going to be a member faster than Serbia. Albania and Croatia is a done deal because they have allready reconized Kosovo and are going to be member of EU just like they are being member of Nato. Bosnia will in 3 week's begin the first fase by reconizing the passports of the republic of Kosovo. And later we'll see what happends.
To make it short Serbia will have to reconize Kosovo is she wants to be a member of EU. Or else she will be left behind all neighbouring countrys and stay poor. Maybee not starving but on the same side as Russia. On the enemy side in other words.
It's time for Serbia to choose the future. A bright future in Eu with wealthy countrys by it's side. Or a not so bright future with Russia by it's side. A Russia who only cares for it's self and are goiung to use you in all occations. You will be poor just like Russia.
Đukanovic: “[...] we don’t think that [differences] are such that we can’t reach a solution [...]”
So, Mr. Đukanovic, what is your suggestion for a solution about the Montenegro's recognition of Kosovo?
As it is known, Montenegro opted for the recognition in order to ease her own path to the EU. It was an opportunistic move. Now it looks as Montenegro hasn't received the payment they were expecting. Are you in your opportunism turning, Mr. Đukanovic, back to speak sweetly with Serbia?
Your economy is doing really bad at the moment. There are fears that summer will not bring much change = money from Serbia. You better do well your sweet talking.
And dear Montenegrins, for the sake of true democracy and equality, try to find other persons to lead your country. The Đukanovic tribe has had it long enough.
Where are those who said there is no chance Djukanovic will win again for recognizing the new Republic of Kosovo? Shouldnt this alone tell Serbia, majority of Montenegro's citizens support its Government for recognizing Kosovo.
I agree, Serbia should rethink recognition of Kosovo. Then they will realise that Montenegro did the right thing because they accepted reality. Then relations between Montenegro and Serbia can improve.
Rethink recognition of Kosovo and then see if you can improve relations.
I am stunned that Djukanovic won again. How many Albanians and other Serbs haters live in Montenegro?
I doesn't look like I'll be holidaying in Montenegro for quite some time. I'll be heading to Greece and Cyprus this year. Also, Romania and Slovakia are on the list during the hotter months.
I do feel sorry for those Montenegrins who will lose out financially. The decisions of their government will backfire sooner or later because we all know Serbia will never recognise Kosovo as independent. The bankrupt West is losing its grip and that means the unfolding of their Kosovo policy.
It looks like the Czech Republic will be the first to revoke recognition now. Montenegro will probably be the third I'd say.
Đukanovic: “[...] we don’t think that [differences] are such that we can’t reach a solution [...]”
So, Mr. Đukanovic, what is your suggestion for a solution about the Montenegro's recognition of Kosovo?
As it is known, Montenegro opted for the recognition in order to ease her own path to the EU. It was an opportunistic move. Now it looks as Montenegro hasn't received the payment they were expecting. Are you in your opportunism turning, Mr. Đukanovic, back to speak sweetly with Serbia?
Your economy is doing really bad at the moment. There are fears that summer will not bring much change = money from Serbia. You better do well your sweet talking.
And dear Montenegrins, for the sake of true democracy and equality, try to find other persons to lead your country. The Đukanovic tribe has had it long enough.
Rethink recognition of Kosovo and then see if you can improve relations.
I am stunned that Djukanovic won again. How many Albanians and other Serbs haters live in Montenegro?
There should be no normalisation of relations with Montenegro until they rescind their recognition of the fake, illegal and immoral 'state' of Kosovo.
It is that simple. The same goes for FYROM. Serbs should not spend a cent in unfriendly countries who do not respect their territorial integrity.
You know Ian, UK, it is interesting to think that if Scotland became independent not many people would mind. English or Scottish.
Same as with Montenegro - it was always a different country.
But if the whole of Midlothian and Edinburgh were to suddenly announce that it was to become an independent 'state' and fly the English flag, there would be absolute outrage.
I can't believe that you don't get the different between the amicable division of a federation and the annexation of a province.
Milo, you will be waiting along time, and with this global recession, I hope you're new reign is short. People have less to spend on travel and Aluminum as a commodity is severly depressed...enjoy you're wait.
As it turns out, Djukanovic and his tribe took the €U/Germany bait and swolowed it with hook and everything but the neoliberal borg hive we know as "€U" does make promises and when they do, they never keep it.
Even if they where granted membership, what is it worth? A ruined economy, powerty mass-unenployment and a few superrich €Urocrats and oligarcs feeding from peoples tax-money.
€USA was yesterday and soon no more the present and future are Russias and Chinas.
Where are those who said there is no chance Djukanovic will win again for recognizing the new Republic of Kosovo? Shouldnt this alone tell Serbia, majority of Montenegro's citizens support its Government for recognizing Kosovo.
"Where are those who said there is no chance Djukanovic will win again for recognizing the new Republic of Kosovo? Shouldnt this alone tell Serbia, majority of Montenegro's citizens support its Government for recognizing Kosovo.
(Pejoni, 31 March 2009 12:26)"
Did Djukanovic during the campaign say "vote for me as I recognized Kosovo" ?
No. I suspect the majority voted for his party for reasons other than this. An opinion poll of this specific issue would be a much better indicator of what you are claiming.
I agree, Serbia should rethink recognition of Kosovo. Then they will realise that Montenegro did the right thing because they accepted reality. Then relations between Montenegro and Serbia can improve.
It has often been said that Serbia will have to recognise Kosovo to become an EU member. This to me seems unlikely as 5 of the current 27 members themselves don't recognise Kosovo. These 5 countries are likely and will be able to block any admission attempt by Kosovo.
Montenegro and Macedonia only recognised Kosovo to curry favour with the US and the pro-Kosovo block within the EU.
Its not finished business, obviously you didn't talk to some of the Goranis, Ashkalis, Romas, ethnic Croats, Serbs...even Slovaks and Hungarians who lived down there...try telling them there houses, land etc. is finished business...I don't think so. You spoke with a few people, who don't care about Kosovo-Metohija, but there are hundreds of thousands from there that do.
Unbelivable! Is it not true that Djukanovic is still wanted by Interpol for his role in the cigarete and petrol smugling during the '90-is? It seams to me the only reason he is still in power is to avoid going to jail. Serbia certainly does not need to deal with this crook.
Montenegro had to reconize Kosovo to have a chance to be a EU-member. Now Montenegro are going to be a member faster than Serbia. Albania and Croatia is a done deal because they have allready reconized Kosovo and are going to be member of EU just like they are being member of Nato. Bosnia will in 3 week's begin the first fase by reconizing the passports of the republic of Kosovo. And later we'll see what happends.
To make it short Serbia will have to reconize Kosovo is she wants to be a member of EU. Or else she will be left behind all neighbouring countrys and stay poor. Maybee not starving but on the same side as Russia. On the enemy side in other words.
It's time for Serbia to choose the future. A bright future in Eu with wealthy countrys by it's side. Or a not so bright future with Russia by it's side. A Russia who only cares for it's self and are goiung to use you in all occations. You will be poor just like Russia.
Guys, why dont you all focus in something that will improve the ilfe of ordinary Serbin citizen instead.
Last weekend I drove to Belgrade. Talking to people I realised that a small minority is interested in Kosovo issue as this is a finished business. They were more interested in better life and jobs. If you all manage to deal with this issue, than Kosovo issue would be adressed in better. As it is, you are all helping Kosovo work more fanatically in the creation of a stronger state.
Rethink recognition of Kosovo and then see if you can improve relations.
I am stunned that Djukanovic won again. How many Albanians and other Serbs haters live in Montenegro?
(Peggy, 31 March 2009 10:44)
Do you think that Mr Djukanovic cares what you think?
He clearly states, you made our ambassador 'person non grata', its your move.
Do not wait for us, to come running to Belgrade, its more other way around.
Montenegro has ecconomic potentials for any state to envy. You see what democracy achives when nationalism is left behind.
"Rethink recognition of Kosovo and then see if you can improve relations"
Conditions on a independent country like Montenegro? Rest assured that Montenegro is not desperate for good relationship with Serbia but purely asking a sensible thing.
You'll be waiting a long time Emperor Milo.
Who in the area apart from Serbs, doesn't have a seaside to go to? Are Bosnians gonna come spend their money in Montenegro - no, they'll go to Croatia coast.
Serbia doesn't care about you Milo. Stop wasting everyone's time.
Accepting reality? So in your opinion Georgia should also accept reality and recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia?
And we the West should recognize Taiwan, as it is an independent state in reality.
If you stress 'reality' what is international law worth?
(Ron, 31 March 2009 15:32)
Ron,
We all know by now that our Scottish friend is living in a fantasy make-believe, neo-liberal, might is right world. The reality Ian is that Serbia isnt giving up its province any time soon.
What Ian is offering Serbia is nothing more than that of becoming a vassal state and President Tadic, the status of a local 'coolie'. Being a wannabe British Imperialist who pines for the old days of a morning game of tennis on a sparkling lawn in Nyasaland, afternoon tea on the veranda in Malaya, sitting atop an Indian elephant with his rifle and tropical hat, shouting at the coolies, evicting landless Irish peasant farmers or chasing down those pesky fuzzy wuzzies in the Sudan...I see where he is coming from. :)
Poor chap, the sun has long since set on the British Empire.
I do believe that many of the leaders of the states care much more of their chairs than their own electorate. This is why Ukrainian leaders against the will of ordinary people seek confrontation with Russia , Đukanović is poisoning brotherhood with Serbia , Macedonia keeps away from Bulgaria ect.
You need a big microscope to find some difference between Motenegrins and Serbs. Even their presidents were trained at the same Overseas and it’s big tragedy if the two nations do not stop this developments.
Nobody doubts that it is Đukanović whom we must blame for permanent worsening the relations. So if I were Boris I would definitely complain to Mrs. Clinton and ask her to punish the bad pupil.
Pejoni "Shouldnt this alone tell Serbia, majority of Montenegro's citizens support its Government for recognizing Kosovo." What it shows is that Montenegro is just like Belarus - a country run by a dictator, the only difference being that one is backed by the West, the other by the East.
nikshala "People who vote against nationalistic ideologies of Serbs are not 'Serb haters' - they are sensible." Using that logic, you could say that Albanians that follow Thaci in demanding to keep the north of Kosovo are supporting a nationalistic agenda and as such should be condemned and ostracised. So let's hear you condemn Kosovo's "leaders" and declare that they are wrong to pursue a nationalistic agenda.
Ian, UK "that Montenegro did the right thing because they accepted reality" There's no denying that Djukanovic is pragmatic when it comes to saving his own skin and looking after his own interests. To be fair, everyone knows that if he didn't have a any power in Montenegro he'd be on the first plane to an EU court for a whole host of crimes.
Demi "lbania and Croatia is a done deal because they have allready reconized Kosovo and are going to be member of EU just like they are being member of Nato" You make a fundamental error in comparing the EU with NATO. NATO will gladly take both countries immediately but the same cannot be said of the EU. Croatia will be first in , the rest many years later and as Serbia is the most important country in the Balkans it'll be in before Albania. Serbia is a mess but Albania is practically still in the stone age in comparison.
"Bosnia will in 3 week's begin the first fase by reconizing the passports of the republic of Kosovo." Now we know that 1)you live in fantasy land, or 2) you're ignorant about Bosnia. Hey, Einstein, how is Bosnia going to recognise Kosovo passports when both halves of Bosnia must agree to do so and republiks srpska refuses to recognise them?
"You will be poor just like Russia." Hehehe, you obviously don't know what a balance sheet looks like. Ask some of your more knowledgable Albanain friends who is ina better condition - Russian finances (no debt) or the US (huge levels of debt).
Dulo "Montenegro has ecconomic potentials for any state to envy." I agree.
"You see what democracy achives when nationalism is left behind." Don't confuse democracy with autocracy and don't dismiss nationalism so quickly either. If Djukanovic needed nationailsm to keep power in Montenegro, he'd use it just like Milosevic did. This man is no angel or saint, face reality and see what he really is. Serbia doesn't have a nationalistic govt in place at the moment. You want to see nationalism, look at Sanader or Kostunica, but not Tadic.
EA "Rest assured that Montenegro is not desperate for good relationship with Serbia" I ahve to disagree with this as most of the revenue for Montenegro comes from Serbians taking their holidays in Montenegro. Milo needs to be careful what he says as lot's of Serb tourists now travel to Greece and Bulgaria instead and there aren't enough foreigners (yet) for Djukanovic to rely on to take up the lack.
no communication whatsoever until the djukanovic regime is out of power; the only credibility he has in serbia is one of a traitor; his decision to recognize kosovo has a very specific weight and represents the darkest hour in the history of montenegro; how sad it is to realize that all the major decisions in montenegro are tied to djukanovic's personal situation and trying to make up for his criminal record (cigarette smuggling, accepting bribes, running away from his role as milosevic's former ally at the cost of serbia's interests, etc); one thing he didn't think about is that by recognizing kosovo he opened a very difficult border question with serbia (the same goes for macedonia, etc.)
Are you still on about how Serbia has to recognize Kosovo in order ot join EU?
Either you have not been keeping up with the news or just refuse to accept reality. It's been stated over and over that recognition of Kosovo is NOT a condition. Please tell us, who told you this is a condition. I mean who besides New Kosova Report?
I read that ridiculous comment there only.
Everything and everyone has to expire sometime. So Djukanovic and Tadic will as well. I know they will leave quite a bit of damage behind them but Serbia has been through worse and come out on top. Russia will be there once those traitors are booted out of government.
It won't happen overnight, but it will happen.
This summer i'll be going on holidays to Serbia, Republika Srpska & Greece. I'd rather spend my $AUD dollars in Greece than in Montenegro or Croatia. I wouldn't give them a $1, as for Djukanovic he is a criminal and should be in jail!
>>Montenegro has economic potentials for any state to envy. You see what democracy achieves when nationalism is left behind.
(Dulo, 31 March 2009 14:44)
thank you, Dulo, i appreciated your comment on many levels and it gave me a good laugh!
how-ever, i just spoke with my balkan "expert" (yes, i do have one)and he assured me that even compared to all of the other corrupt balkan politicians (and they are ubiquitous, come on folks!) montenegro's leader takes the cake, and that's saying a lot :)
nevertheless i am DEEPly grateful that they finally separated from slobo and co. (better late than never) and all of those evil policies. and then recognizing kosovo/a which took some guts. so thank you montenegro, and yes that coastline is unbelievable!!! but my heart (as balkan coasts go) belongs to Dubrovnik. what a magical little city...
Who cares in Montenegro if the relationship between Podgorica and Belgrade could improve or deteriorate? Unfortunately for Serbian people, Serbia is becoming just a little black hole in the Balkans.
I agree, Serbia should rethink recognition of Kosovo. Then they will realise that Montenegro did the right thing because they accepted reality. Then relations between Montenegro and Serbia can improve.
Montenegro had to reconize Kosovo to have a chance to be a EU-member. Now Montenegro are going to be a member faster than Serbia. Albania and Croatia is a done deal because they have allready reconized Kosovo and are going to be member of EU just like they are being member of Nato. Bosnia will in 3 week's begin the first fase by reconizing the passports of the republic of Kosovo. And later we'll see what happends.
To make it short Serbia will have to reconize Kosovo is she wants to be a member of EU. Or else she will be left behind all neighbouring countrys and stay poor. Maybee not starving but on the same side as Russia. On the enemy side in other words.
It's time for Serbia to choose the future. A bright future in Eu with wealthy countrys by it's side. Or a not so bright future with Russia by it's side. A Russia who only cares for it's self and are goiung to use you in all occations. You will be poor just like Russia.
Where are those who said there is no chance Djukanovic will win again for recognizing the new Republic of Kosovo? Shouldnt this alone tell Serbia, majority of Montenegro's citizens support its Government for recognizing Kosovo.
Rethink recognition of Kosovo and then see if you can improve relations.
I am stunned that Djukanovic won again. How many Albanians and other Serbs haters live in Montenegro?
(Peggy, 31 March 2009 10:44)
Do you think that Mr Djukanovic cares what you think?
He clearly states, you made our ambassador 'person non grata', its your move.
Do not wait for us, to come running to Belgrade, its more other way around.
Montenegro has ecconomic potentials for any state to envy. You see what democracy achives when nationalism is left behind.
Guys, why dont you all focus in something that will improve the ilfe of ordinary Serbin citizen instead.
Last weekend I drove to Belgrade. Talking to people I realised that a small minority is interested in Kosovo issue as this is a finished business. They were more interested in better life and jobs. If you all manage to deal with this issue, than Kosovo issue would be adressed in better. As it is, you are all helping Kosovo work more fanatically in the creation of a stronger state.
Rethink recognition of Kosovo and then see if you can improve relations.
I am stunned that Djukanovic won again. How many Albanians and other Serbs haters live in Montenegro?
There should be no normalisation of relations with Montenegro until they rescind their recognition of the fake, illegal and immoral 'state' of Kosovo.
It is that simple. The same goes for FYROM. Serbs should not spend a cent in unfriendly countries who do not respect their territorial integrity.
I doesn't look like I'll be holidaying in Montenegro for quite some time. I'll be heading to Greece and Cyprus this year. Also, Romania and Slovakia are on the list during the hotter months.
I do feel sorry for those Montenegrins who will lose out financially. The decisions of their government will backfire sooner or later because we all know Serbia will never recognise Kosovo as independent. The bankrupt West is losing its grip and that means the unfolding of their Kosovo policy.
It looks like the Czech Republic will be the first to revoke recognition now. Montenegro will probably be the third I'd say.
It has often been said that Serbia will have to recognise Kosovo to become an EU member. This to me seems unlikely as 5 of the current 27 members themselves don't recognise Kosovo. These 5 countries are likely and will be able to block any admission attempt by Kosovo.
Montenegro and Macedonia only recognised Kosovo to curry favour with the US and the pro-Kosovo block within the EU.
Đukanovic: “[...] we don’t think that [differences] are such that we can’t reach a solution [...]”
So, Mr. Đukanovic, what is your suggestion for a solution about the Montenegro's recognition of Kosovo?
As it is known, Montenegro opted for the recognition in order to ease her own path to the EU. It was an opportunistic move. Now it looks as Montenegro hasn't received the payment they were expecting. Are you in your opportunism turning, Mr. Đukanovic, back to speak sweetly with Serbia?
Your economy is doing really bad at the moment. There are fears that summer will not bring much change = money from Serbia. You better do well your sweet talking.
And dear Montenegrins, for the sake of true democracy and equality, try to find other persons to lead your country. The Đukanovic tribe has had it long enough.
You know Ian, UK, it is interesting to think that if Scotland became independent not many people would mind. English or Scottish.
Same as with Montenegro - it was always a different country.
But if the whole of Midlothian and Edinburgh were to suddenly announce that it was to become an independent 'state' and fly the English flag, there would be absolute outrage.
I can't believe that you don't get the different between the amicable division of a federation and the annexation of a province.
Milo, you will be waiting along time, and with this global recession, I hope you're new reign is short. People have less to spend on travel and Aluminum as a commodity is severly depressed...enjoy you're wait.
"Rethink recognition of Kosovo and then see if you can improve relations"
Conditions on a independent country like Montenegro? Rest assured that Montenegro is not desperate for good relationship with Serbia but purely asking a sensible thing.
"Where are those who said there is no chance Djukanovic will win again for recognizing the new Republic of Kosovo? Shouldnt this alone tell Serbia, majority of Montenegro's citizens support its Government for recognizing Kosovo.
(Pejoni, 31 March 2009 12:26)"
Did Djukanovic during the campaign say "vote for me as I recognized Kosovo" ?
No. I suspect the majority voted for his party for reasons other than this. An opinion poll of this specific issue would be a much better indicator of what you are claiming.
As it turns out, Djukanovic and his tribe took the €U/Germany bait and swolowed it with hook and everything but the neoliberal borg hive we know as "€U" does make promises and when they do, they never keep it.
Even if they where granted membership, what is it worth? A ruined economy, powerty mass-unenployment and a few superrich €Urocrats and oligarcs feeding from peoples tax-money.
€USA was yesterday and soon no more the present and future are Russias and Chinas.
Its not finished business, obviously you didn't talk to some of the Goranis, Ashkalis, Romas, ethnic Croats, Serbs...even Slovaks and Hungarians who lived down there...try telling them there houses, land etc. is finished business...I don't think so. You spoke with a few people, who don't care about Kosovo-Metohija, but there are hundreds of thousands from there that do.
Unbelivable! Is it not true that Djukanovic is still wanted by Interpol for his role in the cigarete and petrol smugling during the '90-is? It seams to me the only reason he is still in power is to avoid going to jail. Serbia certainly does not need to deal with this crook.
>>Montenegro has economic potentials for any state to envy. You see what democracy achieves when nationalism is left behind.
(Dulo, 31 March 2009 14:44)
thank you, Dulo, i appreciated your comment on many levels and it gave me a good laugh!
how-ever, i just spoke with my balkan "expert" (yes, i do have one)and he assured me that even compared to all of the other corrupt balkan politicians (and they are ubiquitous, come on folks!) montenegro's leader takes the cake, and that's saying a lot :)
nevertheless i am DEEPly grateful that they finally separated from slobo and co. (better late than never) and all of those evil policies. and then recognizing kosovo/a which took some guts. so thank you montenegro, and yes that coastline is unbelievable!!! but my heart (as balkan coasts go) belongs to Dubrovnik. what a magical little city...
You'll be waiting a long time Emperor Milo.
Who in the area apart from Serbs, doesn't have a seaside to go to? Are Bosnians gonna come spend their money in Montenegro - no, they'll go to Croatia coast.
Serbia doesn't care about you Milo. Stop wasting everyone's time.
Who cares in Montenegro if the relationship between Podgorica and Belgrade could improve or deteriorate? Unfortunately for Serbian people, Serbia is becoming just a little black hole in the Balkans.
I do believe that many of the leaders of the states care much more of their chairs than their own electorate. This is why Ukrainian leaders against the will of ordinary people seek confrontation with Russia , Đukanović is poisoning brotherhood with Serbia , Macedonia keeps away from Bulgaria ect.
You need a big microscope to find some difference between Motenegrins and Serbs. Even their presidents were trained at the same Overseas and it’s big tragedy if the two nations do not stop this developments.
Nobody doubts that it is Đukanović whom we must blame for permanent worsening the relations. So if I were Boris I would definitely complain to Mrs. Clinton and ask her to punish the bad pupil.
Are you still on about how Serbia has to recognize Kosovo in order ot join EU?
Either you have not been keeping up with the news or just refuse to accept reality. It's been stated over and over that recognition of Kosovo is NOT a condition. Please tell us, who told you this is a condition. I mean who besides New Kosova Report?
I read that ridiculous comment there only.
Everything and everyone has to expire sometime. So Djukanovic and Tadic will as well. I know they will leave quite a bit of damage behind them but Serbia has been through worse and come out on top. Russia will be there once those traitors are booted out of government.
It won't happen overnight, but it will happen.
no communication whatsoever until the djukanovic regime is out of power; the only credibility he has in serbia is one of a traitor; his decision to recognize kosovo has a very specific weight and represents the darkest hour in the history of montenegro; how sad it is to realize that all the major decisions in montenegro are tied to djukanovic's personal situation and trying to make up for his criminal record (cigarette smuggling, accepting bribes, running away from his role as milosevic's former ally at the cost of serbia's interests, etc); one thing he didn't think about is that by recognizing kosovo he opened a very difficult border question with serbia (the same goes for macedonia, etc.)
Pejoni "Shouldnt this alone tell Serbia, majority of Montenegro's citizens support its Government for recognizing Kosovo." What it shows is that Montenegro is just like Belarus - a country run by a dictator, the only difference being that one is backed by the West, the other by the East.
nikshala "People who vote against nationalistic ideologies of Serbs are not 'Serb haters' - they are sensible." Using that logic, you could say that Albanians that follow Thaci in demanding to keep the north of Kosovo are supporting a nationalistic agenda and as such should be condemned and ostracised. So let's hear you condemn Kosovo's "leaders" and declare that they are wrong to pursue a nationalistic agenda.
Ian, UK "that Montenegro did the right thing because they accepted reality" There's no denying that Djukanovic is pragmatic when it comes to saving his own skin and looking after his own interests. To be fair, everyone knows that if he didn't have a any power in Montenegro he'd be on the first plane to an EU court for a whole host of crimes.
Demi "lbania and Croatia is a done deal because they have allready reconized Kosovo and are going to be member of EU just like they are being member of Nato" You make a fundamental error in comparing the EU with NATO. NATO will gladly take both countries immediately but the same cannot be said of the EU. Croatia will be first in , the rest many years later and as Serbia is the most important country in the Balkans it'll be in before Albania. Serbia is a mess but Albania is practically still in the stone age in comparison.
"Bosnia will in 3 week's begin the first fase by reconizing the passports of the republic of Kosovo." Now we know that 1)you live in fantasy land, or 2) you're ignorant about Bosnia. Hey, Einstein, how is Bosnia going to recognise Kosovo passports when both halves of Bosnia must agree to do so and republiks srpska refuses to recognise them?
"You will be poor just like Russia." Hehehe, you obviously don't know what a balance sheet looks like. Ask some of your more knowledgable Albanain friends who is ina better condition - Russian finances (no debt) or the US (huge levels of debt).
Dulo "Montenegro has ecconomic potentials for any state to envy." I agree.
"You see what democracy achives when nationalism is left behind." Don't confuse democracy with autocracy and don't dismiss nationalism so quickly either. If Djukanovic needed nationailsm to keep power in Montenegro, he'd use it just like Milosevic did. This man is no angel or saint, face reality and see what he really is. Serbia doesn't have a nationalistic govt in place at the moment. You want to see nationalism, look at Sanader or Kostunica, but not Tadic.
EA "Rest assured that Montenegro is not desperate for good relationship with Serbia" I ahve to disagree with this as most of the revenue for Montenegro comes from Serbians taking their holidays in Montenegro. Milo needs to be careful what he says as lot's of Serb tourists now travel to Greece and Bulgaria instead and there aren't enough foreigners (yet) for Djukanovic to rely on to take up the lack.
Accepting reality? So in your opinion Georgia should also accept reality and recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia?
And we the West should recognize Taiwan, as it is an independent state in reality.
If you stress 'reality' what is international law worth?
(Ron, 31 March 2009 15:32)
Ron,
We all know by now that our Scottish friend is living in a fantasy make-believe, neo-liberal, might is right world. The reality Ian is that Serbia isnt giving up its province any time soon.
What Ian is offering Serbia is nothing more than that of becoming a vassal state and President Tadic, the status of a local 'coolie'. Being a wannabe British Imperialist who pines for the old days of a morning game of tennis on a sparkling lawn in Nyasaland, afternoon tea on the veranda in Malaya, sitting atop an Indian elephant with his rifle and tropical hat, shouting at the coolies, evicting landless Irish peasant farmers or chasing down those pesky fuzzy wuzzies in the Sudan...I see where he is coming from. :)
Poor chap, the sun has long since set on the British Empire.
This summer i'll be going on holidays to Serbia, Republika Srpska & Greece. I'd rather spend my $AUD dollars in Greece than in Montenegro or Croatia. I wouldn't give them a $1, as for Djukanovic he is a criminal and should be in jail!
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