Dačić: UDI is "continued NATO aggression"

Well said Mr. Dacic. Tell them like it is.

RIP all Serb victims of nato aggression.

Comment above me is totally out of order and lacks any backing, unbelievably published by B92 however I praise this as it demonstrates exactly what we are up against in proving that this is not a Cowboys and Indians world as the US generally likes to portray.

Serbia deserved the right to defend it's own territory and remove any person who are in conflict with state and pose a danger to law abiding citizens, the tables will turn and justice will be served, time is on our side. Albanians are living in a golden age, and Serbs are currently in a dark age and as you anyone can see Serbs are still prospering.

Even the democracies = (hypocrisy's) country's of NATO. Their own hypocritical charter says that they are not to go to offensive out side their NATO border countries. It is sure a lawless world we live in. When might is right so arm your selfs to defend your selfs from gangs of roving hypocrites. Put up a good fight they will think twice a lot of them are cowards only show them selfs brave in a gang mentality at 30,000 feet bombing civilians.

NATO and the EU are the same deal really. When we want to join the EU, it means that we want to be with those guys who supported the bombing/destruction of our country. The same people who bombed us put the pro-West party in power. Therefore we see contradictions. We condemn the bombing, yet we want to be closer to those guys who bombed us? Sad and pathetic in my opinion.

"Someone said defending Serbias territory? I do not think so, Slovenia, Croatia, B&H Kosovo were not Serbia's territories.
(avi, 23 March 2009 17:33)"

Well Kosovo was de facto and de jure part of Serbia. Serbia wasn't involved in the others. Serbs, who had always lived in CRO and BH rebelled against the illegal independence declarations. The mini war in Slovenia was between Slovenia and the Federal Government.

"What was he telling Pale at the beginning of the Bosnian war and what was he telling them at the end?"

Respectively, you have a right to defend yourselves and what you agreed in Lisbon in Feb/Mar 1992. The Dayton agreement is a good one, accept it.

bganon, your comment negates the obvious fact that the US was never interested in presiding over a fair deal at Rambouillet and was using it as prelude to war. They wanted the Kosovo issue solved with by force in favour of the KLA. The pressure was being put of Serbia long before Dayton as you well know with the sanctions and a huge propaganda operation starting in 1990/1.

Bloody well deserved it! Moan as much as you like but deserved much more than that, you have no one else to blame but your selves you wanted wars in the end you got your match.

Dacic can say whatever he wants to justify the actions of SPS and to try to collectivise any SPS government guilt to the name of the Serbian people.

He does not speak in the name of all the Serbian people, if he did he would not struggle to gain 5% of the vote.

This for example:
'The attacks against Serbia presented the closing stage of all the pressures put on the country since the beginning of the 1990s'

This negates the fact that Milosevic was supported by the west at Dayton. What kind of external forces caused the west to welcome Milosevic as peacemaker? What kind of slave was Milosevic to the west on the Bosnia issue anyway? What was he telling Pale at the beginning of the Bosnian war and what was he telling them at the end?

It also negates the fact that Milosevic and company messed up without fail on every single issue they were faced with. Their incompetence allowed Serbia's enemies to gain the upper hand.

To be clear (as I know some will disagree) my claim is that had Milosevic persued different policies which would have unified the Serbian people, ill meaning outside forces would have never managed to apply that pressure he is talking about.

No, Milosevic, Dacic and company cocked up over and over again. Doing that they face the lion's share of responsibility for what we see today. They face it, not the Serbian people.

Now Dacic wants to rally the Serbian cause under his banner?

Forget it Dacic.

Go Dacic!!!!

The more Serbian officials lie and play victim hood, the better it is as EU sees that. For 'alleged' massacres, see Bajtanica.

"Go Dacic!!!!

The more Serbian officials lie and play victim hood, the better it is as EU sees that. For 'alleged' massacres, see Bajtanica.
(Alban, 23 March 2009 16:56)"

No logic here as that supposedly happened after 24/3/99. There is also evidence that the bodies were buried there long after the war by the DOS govt to implicate Milosevic before he was extradicted.

I love the term UDI, unilateral declaration of independence.

How else can a country declare independence but unilaterally?

Countries don't collude together in a huge conference room and say "Yes, you can now declare independence. Hooray!"

LOL. Of course independence is declared unilaterally because there's no other way to do it.

Both Albania and Serbia and every country on earth were declared independent unilaterally by the people of that nation.

Shqiptar wrote,

"Countries don't collude together in a huge conference room and say "Yes, you can now declare independence. Hooray!"

That's exactly how it happened for you guys. You wouldnt've dared to make such a move without US telling you to go ahead.
Just remember, they also gave Georgia the green light to attack Ossetians and look what happened.

US will not always be in a position to back you up or want to be.

"Countries don't collude together in a huge conference room and say "Yes, you can now declare independence. Hooray!"

Apparently our Albanian friend is confused.

Someone said defending Serbias territory? I do not think so, Slovenia, Croatia, B&H Kosovo were not Serbia's territories.

Dacic, his kind and his statements are the best arguments today for K-Independence.
He essentially is saying that Milosevic was not the problem, that his policies were benign then and are benign today, that Serbia can and will follow his M-man legacy, that the attacks on civilians that triggered the NATO bombing were justified, that given the impossibility for Kosova to remain part of Serbia, the latter will seize the first opportunity to attack its population again in order to complete the job half done by SPS founder.
Please Dacis, yell some more. Heroes like you, don't last long.

"Kosovo deserved its independence, thanks to Milosevic. It is not on it's 2nd year being free and things couldn't be better, especially with the scene at the UN today :)"
(shqiptar2k9, 24 March 2009 00:13)

Again, Milosevic. Is he to blame if it rains or doesn't rain as well? C'mon, enough already. Stop with the same old propaganda which doesn't work any more.

Kosovo was being successfully cleansed of Serbs long before Milosevic. The plan to evict Serbs came to its fruition when the US was suckered into completing the job via NATO.

Milosevic should have been stopped earlier - Bosnia should have had western involvement at a much earlier stage. However, to make up for that mistake the west decided to punish Serbia by taking away Kosovo.

It will not change its mind now.

The fault lays mainly with Milosevic who decided to play the nationalist card to build his own political position. The west would never let that succeed - nationalism is seen as a benign form of fascism that seeks to advantage one group at the expense of others. The atrocious murders in Bosnia confirmed that view.

However, Kosovo is still part of Serbia, but the economic gain from international trade is far more immediately significant to the future of Serbs than is a patch of land - even if that patch of land is considered important.

The long term future of the Balkans is not a matter of the US, the UN or any other organisation - each of these will have their day and fizzle. In future history Kosovo will always be part of Serbia.

Although occupied by Albanians, Kosovo is not part of Albania. The Albanians in Kosovo talk of some notional 'Kosova' as a separate invention. Kosovo is not a weird concept for Serbs - it is a natural part of the country.

The west was not wrong to intervene in the Balkans - the place was a nasty mess. However, the west is wrong to use conquest of territory in the way it has done - that will reverse eventually even if it takes dozens or hundreds of years. You wait and see!

'Kosova' will not last because it is a daft and inappropriate invention.

As one of the members of the team organizing the 10th anniversary conference at the Sava Center, I need to correct the record as reported by B92. This event is sponsored by the non-partisan, nonprofit NGO called the Belgrade Forum. The participants and organizers come from all sides of the political spectrum and include many members of the Diaspora. The B92 characterization of the event is inaccurate as usual and readers would do well to look for the full conference to appear in video clips linked to the BEOFORUM.RS Web site starting from next week...

John Bosnitch
Media Relations
Belgrade Forum

These words are all very well Mr Dacic,but what the hell are you going to do about it?

"That's exactly how it happened for you guys. You wouldnt've dared to make such a move without US telling you to go ahead.
Just remember, they also gave Georgia the green light to attack Ossetians and look what happened."


Don't ever compare the Georgians or the Ossetians or the Abkhazians to Kosovo's case. None of them went through ethnic cleansing and mass expulsion.

That's why Kosovo's case is special and why it is not a precedent to any other region in the world, as much as Russia and Serbia their hardest to point out.

Kosovo deserved its independence, thanks to Milosevic. It is not on it's 2nd year being free and things couldn't be better, especially with the scene at the UN today :)

PJD

Your rambouillet comment negates the fact that the Kosovo crisis begun long before that meeting.

Pressure was being put on long before Dayton? Was that under the US administration that supported the territorial integrity of Jugoslavija or of the John Major government of the UK? Hmmm.

I might even take your point seriously if you hadn't gone even further than the radical position is claiming by saying that DOS (who is that exactly?) reburied bodies to blame Milosevic.

You must think that Serbs (yeah DOS) are complete monsters to rebury bodies (never mind where the bodies came from) just to send one fool of an ex president to the Hague.

Bloody well deserved it! Moan as much as you like but deserved much more than that, you have no one else to blame but your selves you wanted wars in the end you got your match.

Go Dacic!!!!

The more Serbian officials lie and play victim hood, the better it is as EU sees that. For 'alleged' massacres, see Bajtanica.

Someone said defending Serbias territory? I do not think so, Slovenia, Croatia, B&H Kosovo were not Serbia's territories.

I love the term UDI, unilateral declaration of independence.

How else can a country declare independence but unilaterally?

Countries don't collude together in a huge conference room and say "Yes, you can now declare independence. Hooray!"

LOL. Of course independence is declared unilaterally because there's no other way to do it.

Both Albania and Serbia and every country on earth were declared independent unilaterally by the people of that nation.

Dacic, his kind and his statements are the best arguments today for K-Independence.
He essentially is saying that Milosevic was not the problem, that his policies were benign then and are benign today, that Serbia can and will follow his M-man legacy, that the attacks on civilians that triggered the NATO bombing were justified, that given the impossibility for Kosova to remain part of Serbia, the latter will seize the first opportunity to attack its population again in order to complete the job half done by SPS founder.
Please Dacis, yell some more. Heroes like you, don't last long.

Well said Mr. Dacic. Tell them like it is.

RIP all Serb victims of nato aggression.

"Go Dacic!!!!

The more Serbian officials lie and play victim hood, the better it is as EU sees that. For 'alleged' massacres, see Bajtanica.
(Alban, 23 March 2009 16:56)"

No logic here as that supposedly happened after 24/3/99. There is also evidence that the bodies were buried there long after the war by the DOS govt to implicate Milosevic before he was extradicted.

Comment above me is totally out of order and lacks any backing, unbelievably published by B92 however I praise this as it demonstrates exactly what we are up against in proving that this is not a Cowboys and Indians world as the US generally likes to portray.

Serbia deserved the right to defend it's own territory and remove any person who are in conflict with state and pose a danger to law abiding citizens, the tables will turn and justice will be served, time is on our side. Albanians are living in a golden age, and Serbs are currently in a dark age and as you anyone can see Serbs are still prospering.

Dacic can say whatever he wants to justify the actions of SPS and to try to collectivise any SPS government guilt to the name of the Serbian people.

He does not speak in the name of all the Serbian people, if he did he would not struggle to gain 5% of the vote.

This for example:
'The attacks against Serbia presented the closing stage of all the pressures put on the country since the beginning of the 1990s'

This negates the fact that Milosevic was supported by the west at Dayton. What kind of external forces caused the west to welcome Milosevic as peacemaker? What kind of slave was Milosevic to the west on the Bosnia issue anyway? What was he telling Pale at the beginning of the Bosnian war and what was he telling them at the end?

It also negates the fact that Milosevic and company messed up without fail on every single issue they were faced with. Their incompetence allowed Serbia's enemies to gain the upper hand.

To be clear (as I know some will disagree) my claim is that had Milosevic persued different policies which would have unified the Serbian people, ill meaning outside forces would have never managed to apply that pressure he is talking about.

No, Milosevic, Dacic and company cocked up over and over again. Doing that they face the lion's share of responsibility for what we see today. They face it, not the Serbian people.

Now Dacic wants to rally the Serbian cause under his banner?

Forget it Dacic.

"Kosovo deserved its independence, thanks to Milosevic. It is not on it's 2nd year being free and things couldn't be better, especially with the scene at the UN today :)"
(shqiptar2k9, 24 March 2009 00:13)

Again, Milosevic. Is he to blame if it rains or doesn't rain as well? C'mon, enough already. Stop with the same old propaganda which doesn't work any more.

"Someone said defending Serbias territory? I do not think so, Slovenia, Croatia, B&H Kosovo were not Serbia's territories.
(avi, 23 March 2009 17:33)"

Well Kosovo was de facto and de jure part of Serbia. Serbia wasn't involved in the others. Serbs, who had always lived in CRO and BH rebelled against the illegal independence declarations. The mini war in Slovenia was between Slovenia and the Federal Government.

"What was he telling Pale at the beginning of the Bosnian war and what was he telling them at the end?"

Respectively, you have a right to defend yourselves and what you agreed in Lisbon in Feb/Mar 1992. The Dayton agreement is a good one, accept it.

bganon, your comment negates the obvious fact that the US was never interested in presiding over a fair deal at Rambouillet and was using it as prelude to war. They wanted the Kosovo issue solved with by force in favour of the KLA. The pressure was being put of Serbia long before Dayton as you well know with the sanctions and a huge propaganda operation starting in 1990/1.

"That's exactly how it happened for you guys. You wouldnt've dared to make such a move without US telling you to go ahead.
Just remember, they also gave Georgia the green light to attack Ossetians and look what happened."


Don't ever compare the Georgians or the Ossetians or the Abkhazians to Kosovo's case. None of them went through ethnic cleansing and mass expulsion.

That's why Kosovo's case is special and why it is not a precedent to any other region in the world, as much as Russia and Serbia their hardest to point out.

Kosovo deserved its independence, thanks to Milosevic. It is not on it's 2nd year being free and things couldn't be better, especially with the scene at the UN today :)

NATO and the EU are the same deal really. When we want to join the EU, it means that we want to be with those guys who supported the bombing/destruction of our country. The same people who bombed us put the pro-West party in power. Therefore we see contradictions. We condemn the bombing, yet we want to be closer to those guys who bombed us? Sad and pathetic in my opinion.

These words are all very well Mr Dacic,but what the hell are you going to do about it?

Shqiptar wrote,

"Countries don't collude together in a huge conference room and say "Yes, you can now declare independence. Hooray!"

That's exactly how it happened for you guys. You wouldnt've dared to make such a move without US telling you to go ahead.
Just remember, they also gave Georgia the green light to attack Ossetians and look what happened.

US will not always be in a position to back you up or want to be.

"Countries don't collude together in a huge conference room and say "Yes, you can now declare independence. Hooray!"

Apparently our Albanian friend is confused.

Even the democracies = (hypocrisy's) country's of NATO. Their own hypocritical charter says that they are not to go to offensive out side their NATO border countries. It is sure a lawless world we live in. When might is right so arm your selfs to defend your selfs from gangs of roving hypocrites. Put up a good fight they will think twice a lot of them are cowards only show them selfs brave in a gang mentality at 30,000 feet bombing civilians.

Kosovo was being successfully cleansed of Serbs long before Milosevic. The plan to evict Serbs came to its fruition when the US was suckered into completing the job via NATO.

Milosevic should have been stopped earlier - Bosnia should have had western involvement at a much earlier stage. However, to make up for that mistake the west decided to punish Serbia by taking away Kosovo.

It will not change its mind now.

The fault lays mainly with Milosevic who decided to play the nationalist card to build his own political position. The west would never let that succeed - nationalism is seen as a benign form of fascism that seeks to advantage one group at the expense of others. The atrocious murders in Bosnia confirmed that view.

However, Kosovo is still part of Serbia, but the economic gain from international trade is far more immediately significant to the future of Serbs than is a patch of land - even if that patch of land is considered important.

The long term future of the Balkans is not a matter of the US, the UN or any other organisation - each of these will have their day and fizzle. In future history Kosovo will always be part of Serbia.

Although occupied by Albanians, Kosovo is not part of Albania. The Albanians in Kosovo talk of some notional 'Kosova' as a separate invention. Kosovo is not a weird concept for Serbs - it is a natural part of the country.

The west was not wrong to intervene in the Balkans - the place was a nasty mess. However, the west is wrong to use conquest of territory in the way it has done - that will reverse eventually even if it takes dozens or hundreds of years. You wait and see!

'Kosova' will not last because it is a daft and inappropriate invention.

As one of the members of the team organizing the 10th anniversary conference at the Sava Center, I need to correct the record as reported by B92. This event is sponsored by the non-partisan, nonprofit NGO called the Belgrade Forum. The participants and organizers come from all sides of the political spectrum and include many members of the Diaspora. The B92 characterization of the event is inaccurate as usual and readers would do well to look for the full conference to appear in video clips linked to the BEOFORUM.RS Web site starting from next week...

John Bosnitch
Media Relations
Belgrade Forum

PJD

Your rambouillet comment negates the fact that the Kosovo crisis begun long before that meeting.

Pressure was being put on long before Dayton? Was that under the US administration that supported the territorial integrity of Jugoslavija or of the John Major government of the UK? Hmmm.

I might even take your point seriously if you hadn't gone even further than the radical position is claiming by saying that DOS (who is that exactly?) reburied bodies to blame Milosevic.

You must think that Serbs (yeah DOS) are complete monsters to rebury bodies (never mind where the bodies came from) just to send one fool of an ex president to the Hague.