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Saturday, 21.03.2009.

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Algeria "strongly backs" Serbia over Kosovo

Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić was in Algiers on Saturday where he met with his Algerian counterpart Mourad Medelci.

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Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

Berekely,

It seems that like the rest of the irredentist Albanian camp you have a selective memory and omit many telling facts.

First of all Cuba. Do you realise that Cuba has been under an illegal economic and political sanctions for the last 50 years, a policy conducted by the US and declared illegal countless times by the UN. Cuba despite being under this stranglehold has a world class, health, education and social security service which is second to none.

'Kosova' on the other hand despite receiving billions since 1999 is still a basket case of corruption, crime, ramshackle schools and hospitals, power cuts and 50%+ unemployment. It has no functioning economy.

Cuba has been invaded, bombed, terrorised, subjected to chemical attacks, blockaded, intimidated its leaders living under fear of assassination (all by the US). It is a country still under siege and despite this, the Cuban people are determined than ever in the achievements of the Revolution. Cuba is a strong ally of Serbia and its not hard to see why. In the struggle of the Serbian people they can see thir own struggle, against the Spanish, Batista and 50 years of economic, chemical, terrorist and military war inflicted on the island by the US. Hardly the actions of a peace loving democratic country now is it?

What a great ally to have on your side, a schoolyard bully. Well Mr Berekely, like all schoolyard bullies, they eventually get their commuppance ad that will happen when the other kids in the yard (Cuba, Serbia, Russia, China, India, South Africa, Brazil, Venezuela, Spain etc.) stand up and say "enough".

You know what went on in Guantanamo?

MIT--TheRealCoast

pre 15 godina

The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that the California based contingency here sees the world through those fantastically rose colour glasses.
Listing countries like Syria, Zimbabwe, Cuba, Iran, China, N.Korea.
Seems to me that their memories have been washed away. If I recall correctly, it was Germany, France, UK, Belgium, Holland, Spain and Portugal that raped pillaged Africa and the Americas. It was USA that has illegally bombed a number of countries under the rule of their latest presidents. It is America who has military bases in over 100 foriegn nations. These so-called rogue states are the ones that are trying to stand up to American totalitarianism and economic dictatorship. The countries that the American's listed are not near the level of evil that the American government claims they are. They are infact particularly defensive in nature. It is after all America that has the only documented usage of nuclear weapons on civilians. It is America that owns the largest (both in human numbers and seperate nations) ethnic cleansing genocidal history (though it is one of the youngest counties on the planet). It is America that holds nearly 1% of its population in prisions.
This is a voice of reason that I am suppose to follow.
Please American's keep your selfserving uneducated international opinions to FOX news with your favoirte UltraConservative NeoCons.

America holds an economic strangle hold over the world through it's shady self-serving (though its now explding in the faces of the 95% of the people that simply try to scrape by) "rape their resourses", "over work their destitute cheap employees" models the world over. They have managed to come close to destroying much of the world all by them selves.
America is where the most dangerous of all political evils lives. They are the friend who stabs you in the back. In Soviet Union and China you know where you stand. In America you are loved while you're needed to make someone else rich. After that it's your problem.

Dukinaldo

pre 15 godina

Albanians have their own country and they can cause problems there if they want to. But in our country they shall behave with respect towards every Serb. And don't tell me there are Serbs living in other countries. They do but did u ever hear of them? Or hear that people don't want them because of their actions? I guess not. And don't even try to mention Bosnia or Croatia.

Another thing is we were never bombed back to stoneage, but rather just bombed. Serbian economy is better then most of the economies in the Balkans, except for Croatia and Slovenia which is on the Beligum level.

Last thing our friends and ties we have is our own concern and I am glad that I can say we have very strong ties with Russia, and had Russia been in a position that it is today in back in 1999 I dont think this would have happend. Anyway we have two close allies, China and particulary Russia which we support a lot.

Andrew

pre 15 godina

All serbs should accept the fact that they've lost Kosovo forever. Have you ever been to Kosovo? 95% of the population are albanians, there are albanian flags everywhere, albanian police, universities and you name it.

Kosovo by day is getting closer to albania.

The only country that should be concerned is Macedonia. Already there are 30% albanians living there.

frunobulax

pre 15 godina

Berkeley refers continually to "the Albanians" rather than the Kosovars. Dear me, Mr B, you're supposed to at least *pretend* that the entire 1999 NATO schtick was about creating a "multi-ethnic.. blah blah" rather than 'Greater Albania'. Really, Mr B, at least in public please do try to uphold the pretense.
Cheerio to you and your 'neighbour' roberto.

Gennci

pre 15 godina

It is so nice to see so many former colonies siding with Serbia, despite pressure from their former colonialists (in this case, France).
This is becoming a battle between the now bankrupt imperialists, versus their former colonies. It is nice to see that Serbia is winning, hands down. We have the Russian veto in our pocket, which guarantees no UN seat for the fake, illegal, and immoral 'state' of Kosovo. All this other support we are getting is just a bonus.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 21 March 2009 22:16)


No dear Dragan, this is not a battle between the bankrupt imperialists vs. their former colonies, but this is a battle between the democratic countries and hegemonic countries including Serbia that keeps their people with lies and lies and lies, and never leave them express their opinion or their rights!

roberto

pre 15 godina

>>"The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria."

Berkeley
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yes, berkely, i agree with you, as usual.

except for one little point. i prefer to say "anti-independence" and not pro-serbian. i don't believe this current campaign against the vast majority of kosovo/a is somehow "pro-serbian"; i think that it is anti-human. and many progressive voices from serbia agree as well.

i will never accept these kind of ethnic dichotomies. we can find common ground, but only if we try and work at it, not just by repeating nationalist slogans.

as always i appreciate the support of all of our frnds and allies in this ongoing struggle for freedom and independence.

thank you.

roberto
frisco

shqiptar2k9

pre 15 godina

Next up: Jeremic travels to North Korea to make sure they don't recognize Kosovo and also to form strong brotherly ties with Kim Jong Il. LOL!

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

"To put Cuba in that list is an insult to her people and the achievements of the Revolution which after 50 years is still going strong despite the terrorist and illegal campaign of its northern 'democratic' superpower neighbour."

What you call "strong" is nothing else for an euphemistic description of a totalitarian in country in which freedom of speech is a mere dream of the inprisoned population. This island is big open-air jail from which every year people try to escape over the open sea, even when the chances to reach Florida are very low. Many people (families) died trying to leave this island. You must be very desperate to dare such a thing, but when you see this island as well as the reports of it, then it makes sense, as well as the reports from the escapees from North Korea. It really explains everything. Nobody tries to get to those countries. Even those who claim to propagate the revolution and the support of those regimes. Well, the West is still more comfortable, isn't it?

And regarding those countries like Spain, don't worry to much. Despite the fact that you can really find some democratic countries in the list of countries which didn't recognize (yet) the independence of Kosovo (like you can find a small number of not democratic countries in the list in favor of Kosovo), the large scale of dictatorships rules this list and supports Serbia, passionately. And this makes sense, because most of them know that in one way or another one that they do today the same thing what Serbia did during the 90s and would Serbia would continue to do even today if hadn't been bombed back to stoneage. Dictatorships understandably fear that their own minorities or simply surpressed people rise up their voice and fight for their freedom. It is the very essence of every human being which they fear, the will to be free, which is btw the main pillar of the international law on which everything else is based on and not vice versa.

Therefore, the Albanians can be really proud to have those friends, when you reflect the Serbian counterparts who even canabalize now the best parts of Serbian industry for a useless (and likely temporal) "Njet" in a practically useless council.

Diana

pre 15 godina

some really daft pro Albanian comments- who was the first country to recognise Kosovo? That wonderful democratic country of AFGHANISTAN!!! the recognition of kosovo by some countries has nothing to do with fairness nor democracy- it's all about politics and imperialist expansion and a badly thought out plan to try and save face and get rid of the mess created by germany and the USA. It won't be long before they tire of the 'new born' brat. What a mess!!! as for Sebia- they have more ethnic minorities there including muslims than Albanians would ever tolerate. I doubt very much that they are antimuslim as such but are anti terrorist.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

"The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria."

That comment has all the hallmarks of George W Bush's Axis of Evil nonsense.

To put Cuba in that list is an insult to her people and the achievements of the Revolution which after 50 years is still going strong despite the terrorist and illegal campaign of its northern 'democratic' superpower neighbour.

You forget that Spain, Slovakia, Romania, Cyprus and Greece strongly support Serbia in its right to uphold its territorial integrity. I suppose you are going to group them in with Iran and North Korea too. By the way, 2 countres who are totally incompatable with each other.

VIVA CUBA, VIVA LA REVOLUCION

EA

pre 15 godina

"The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria."

Berkeley,

You nailed it! I loved that recap! Well done!


Regards

EA

Alban

pre 15 godina

>> "The responses to this very significant development from the pro-Albanian posters on this thread are absolutely pathetic."

Significant? A Russian puppet and an Islamist heaven supports Serbia.

"This is becoming a battle between the now bankrupt imperialists, versus their former colonies"

Why isn't Serbia asking the former colonies for a loan but is instead asking the "bankrupt imperialists"? Ha!

No IMF money for Serbia unless...

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

This is very interesting:

The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria.

Seriously, the Albanians can be really proud not to be forced to call those regimes friends, because if you call these regimes friends, then there is no need to have enemies.

Congratulation, Serbia for strenghtening your cultural ties with the Arabic Algeria. Unfortunately, it is not the Emirates which are the richest Arabic nation.

Cheers!

Dragan

pre 15 godina

It is so nice to see so many former colonies siding with Serbia, despite pressure from their former colonialists (in this case, France).
This is becoming a battle between the now bankrupt imperialists, versus their former colonies. It is nice to see that Serbia is winning, hands down. We have the Russian veto in our pocket, which guarantees no UN seat for the fake, illegal, and immoral 'state' of Kosovo. All this other support we are getting is just a bonus.
Cheers!!

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Drtian

Drtian you should be ashamed to suggest that Algeria is supporting Usama bin Laden.
Perhaps there are individuals that do but how can you drag an entire country and it's people in the mud? Just because a lot of Kosovo albanians deal with drugs, car thefts, prostitution, murder, human trafficing etc doesn't mean all albanians are involved, or does it? Besides do you remember the 3 or 4 albanians that were caught in America preparing a terrorist attack on a military base in North Carolina?
I guess as soon as someone doesn't support your idea of creating greater albania by stealing someone elses territory you begin to downplay the importance of, in this case, Algerias decision to reject Kosovo independence. Another thing that you should remember is that 99% of the world can recognize Kosovo but as long as Serbia doesn't sign it away it will forever belong to the Serbian nation and its people.

Gustave

pre 15 godina

What I have noticed here is that after every bilateral meeting it's almost always like this :

Jeremic said X supports Serbia

Tadic said Y supports Serbia

Dacic said Z supports Serbia

Can't we for once hear these supporting claims from the foreign themselves?

EA

pre 15 godina

It seems that Serbia is succeed in deviding the Islamic world. It will end up the majority of Islamic countries to recognise Kosova as an independent country the a small bunch of irrelevant countries to still resist for internal reasons. The same scenario as within the EU. The Serbia's policy is not going to get anywhere just to irritate and frustrate more Albanians and the most developed countries on earth.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 15 godina

Until recently Jeremic and other serbs was accusing albanians of being connected to islamic terrorists, and now Jeremic tells of "brotherly ties between Serbia and Algeria"...
Well we now see who has brotherly ties with the arabs...

Sidi

pre 15 godina

"It is with great pleasure that I visited Algeria as the first Serbian foreign minister to do so, while the history of our relations is that of brotherly ties," he was quoted as saying.


But wait a minute...I thought that Albanians were the threat of Christian Europe because they seek to spread the sword of Islam into the continent, starting with Christian Serbia. How, then, can Serbia have such brotherly love for Algeria, one of the preeminent suppliers of Al-Qaeda recruits? A little contradictory aren't we Mr. Jeremic? Say and do anything as long as it fits our short term political goals, right?

What shameful behavior from the Serb foreign minister. Mark my words, Algeria will recognize Kosova in the comming year, and Serbia will be left in the cold yet again.

Alban

pre 15 godina

Cooperation on culture with Algeria? Haha! Algeria is pretty much a Russian colony, hardly a Serbian victory. All we need is 50%+1 so those Algerians can keep their vote.

Drtian

pre 15 godina

"It is with great pleasure that I visited Algeria as the first Serbian foreign minister to do so, while the history of our relations is that of brotherly ties," he was quoted as saying.

LOL, "Brotherly ties" :)

Sidi

pre 15 godina

"It is with great pleasure that I visited Algeria as the first Serbian foreign minister to do so, while the history of our relations is that of brotherly ties," he was quoted as saying.


But wait a minute...I thought that Albanians were the threat of Christian Europe because they seek to spread the sword of Islam into the continent, starting with Christian Serbia. How, then, can Serbia have such brotherly love for Algeria, one of the preeminent suppliers of Al-Qaeda recruits? A little contradictory aren't we Mr. Jeremic? Say and do anything as long as it fits our short term political goals, right?

What shameful behavior from the Serb foreign minister. Mark my words, Algeria will recognize Kosova in the comming year, and Serbia will be left in the cold yet again.

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

This is very interesting:

The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria.

Seriously, the Albanians can be really proud not to be forced to call those regimes friends, because if you call these regimes friends, then there is no need to have enemies.

Congratulation, Serbia for strenghtening your cultural ties with the Arabic Algeria. Unfortunately, it is not the Emirates which are the richest Arabic nation.

Cheers!

Drtian

pre 15 godina

"It is with great pleasure that I visited Algeria as the first Serbian foreign minister to do so, while the history of our relations is that of brotherly ties," he was quoted as saying.

LOL, "Brotherly ties" :)

Afrim Hoxha

pre 15 godina

Until recently Jeremic and other serbs was accusing albanians of being connected to islamic terrorists, and now Jeremic tells of "brotherly ties between Serbia and Algeria"...
Well we now see who has brotherly ties with the arabs...

EA

pre 15 godina

It seems that Serbia is succeed in deviding the Islamic world. It will end up the majority of Islamic countries to recognise Kosova as an independent country the a small bunch of irrelevant countries to still resist for internal reasons. The same scenario as within the EU. The Serbia's policy is not going to get anywhere just to irritate and frustrate more Albanians and the most developed countries on earth.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Drtian

Drtian you should be ashamed to suggest that Algeria is supporting Usama bin Laden.
Perhaps there are individuals that do but how can you drag an entire country and it's people in the mud? Just because a lot of Kosovo albanians deal with drugs, car thefts, prostitution, murder, human trafficing etc doesn't mean all albanians are involved, or does it? Besides do you remember the 3 or 4 albanians that were caught in America preparing a terrorist attack on a military base in North Carolina?
I guess as soon as someone doesn't support your idea of creating greater albania by stealing someone elses territory you begin to downplay the importance of, in this case, Algerias decision to reject Kosovo independence. Another thing that you should remember is that 99% of the world can recognize Kosovo but as long as Serbia doesn't sign it away it will forever belong to the Serbian nation and its people.

Dragan

pre 15 godina

It is so nice to see so many former colonies siding with Serbia, despite pressure from their former colonialists (in this case, France).
This is becoming a battle between the now bankrupt imperialists, versus their former colonies. It is nice to see that Serbia is winning, hands down. We have the Russian veto in our pocket, which guarantees no UN seat for the fake, illegal, and immoral 'state' of Kosovo. All this other support we are getting is just a bonus.
Cheers!!

Alban

pre 15 godina

>> "The responses to this very significant development from the pro-Albanian posters on this thread are absolutely pathetic."

Significant? A Russian puppet and an Islamist heaven supports Serbia.

"This is becoming a battle between the now bankrupt imperialists, versus their former colonies"

Why isn't Serbia asking the former colonies for a loan but is instead asking the "bankrupt imperialists"? Ha!

No IMF money for Serbia unless...

Alban

pre 15 godina

Cooperation on culture with Algeria? Haha! Algeria is pretty much a Russian colony, hardly a Serbian victory. All we need is 50%+1 so those Algerians can keep their vote.

Gustave

pre 15 godina

What I have noticed here is that after every bilateral meeting it's almost always like this :

Jeremic said X supports Serbia

Tadic said Y supports Serbia

Dacic said Z supports Serbia

Can't we for once hear these supporting claims from the foreign themselves?

EA

pre 15 godina

"The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria."

Berkeley,

You nailed it! I loved that recap! Well done!


Regards

EA

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

"The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria."

That comment has all the hallmarks of George W Bush's Axis of Evil nonsense.

To put Cuba in that list is an insult to her people and the achievements of the Revolution which after 50 years is still going strong despite the terrorist and illegal campaign of its northern 'democratic' superpower neighbour.

You forget that Spain, Slovakia, Romania, Cyprus and Greece strongly support Serbia in its right to uphold its territorial integrity. I suppose you are going to group them in with Iran and North Korea too. By the way, 2 countres who are totally incompatable with each other.

VIVA CUBA, VIVA LA REVOLUCION

Diana

pre 15 godina

some really daft pro Albanian comments- who was the first country to recognise Kosovo? That wonderful democratic country of AFGHANISTAN!!! the recognition of kosovo by some countries has nothing to do with fairness nor democracy- it's all about politics and imperialist expansion and a badly thought out plan to try and save face and get rid of the mess created by germany and the USA. It won't be long before they tire of the 'new born' brat. What a mess!!! as for Sebia- they have more ethnic minorities there including muslims than Albanians would ever tolerate. I doubt very much that they are antimuslim as such but are anti terrorist.

shqiptar2k9

pre 15 godina

Next up: Jeremic travels to North Korea to make sure they don't recognize Kosovo and also to form strong brotherly ties with Kim Jong Il. LOL!

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

"To put Cuba in that list is an insult to her people and the achievements of the Revolution which after 50 years is still going strong despite the terrorist and illegal campaign of its northern 'democratic' superpower neighbour."

What you call "strong" is nothing else for an euphemistic description of a totalitarian in country in which freedom of speech is a mere dream of the inprisoned population. This island is big open-air jail from which every year people try to escape over the open sea, even when the chances to reach Florida are very low. Many people (families) died trying to leave this island. You must be very desperate to dare such a thing, but when you see this island as well as the reports of it, then it makes sense, as well as the reports from the escapees from North Korea. It really explains everything. Nobody tries to get to those countries. Even those who claim to propagate the revolution and the support of those regimes. Well, the West is still more comfortable, isn't it?

And regarding those countries like Spain, don't worry to much. Despite the fact that you can really find some democratic countries in the list of countries which didn't recognize (yet) the independence of Kosovo (like you can find a small number of not democratic countries in the list in favor of Kosovo), the large scale of dictatorships rules this list and supports Serbia, passionately. And this makes sense, because most of them know that in one way or another one that they do today the same thing what Serbia did during the 90s and would Serbia would continue to do even today if hadn't been bombed back to stoneage. Dictatorships understandably fear that their own minorities or simply surpressed people rise up their voice and fight for their freedom. It is the very essence of every human being which they fear, the will to be free, which is btw the main pillar of the international law on which everything else is based on and not vice versa.

Therefore, the Albanians can be really proud to have those friends, when you reflect the Serbian counterparts who even canabalize now the best parts of Serbian industry for a useless (and likely temporal) "Njet" in a practically useless council.

frunobulax

pre 15 godina

Berkeley refers continually to "the Albanians" rather than the Kosovars. Dear me, Mr B, you're supposed to at least *pretend* that the entire 1999 NATO schtick was about creating a "multi-ethnic.. blah blah" rather than 'Greater Albania'. Really, Mr B, at least in public please do try to uphold the pretense.
Cheerio to you and your 'neighbour' roberto.

roberto

pre 15 godina

>>"The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria."

Berkeley
-----
yes, berkely, i agree with you, as usual.

except for one little point. i prefer to say "anti-independence" and not pro-serbian. i don't believe this current campaign against the vast majority of kosovo/a is somehow "pro-serbian"; i think that it is anti-human. and many progressive voices from serbia agree as well.

i will never accept these kind of ethnic dichotomies. we can find common ground, but only if we try and work at it, not just by repeating nationalist slogans.

as always i appreciate the support of all of our frnds and allies in this ongoing struggle for freedom and independence.

thank you.

roberto
frisco

Gennci

pre 15 godina

It is so nice to see so many former colonies siding with Serbia, despite pressure from their former colonialists (in this case, France).
This is becoming a battle between the now bankrupt imperialists, versus their former colonies. It is nice to see that Serbia is winning, hands down. We have the Russian veto in our pocket, which guarantees no UN seat for the fake, illegal, and immoral 'state' of Kosovo. All this other support we are getting is just a bonus.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 21 March 2009 22:16)


No dear Dragan, this is not a battle between the bankrupt imperialists vs. their former colonies, but this is a battle between the democratic countries and hegemonic countries including Serbia that keeps their people with lies and lies and lies, and never leave them express their opinion or their rights!

Dukinaldo

pre 15 godina

Albanians have their own country and they can cause problems there if they want to. But in our country they shall behave with respect towards every Serb. And don't tell me there are Serbs living in other countries. They do but did u ever hear of them? Or hear that people don't want them because of their actions? I guess not. And don't even try to mention Bosnia or Croatia.

Another thing is we were never bombed back to stoneage, but rather just bombed. Serbian economy is better then most of the economies in the Balkans, except for Croatia and Slovenia which is on the Beligum level.

Last thing our friends and ties we have is our own concern and I am glad that I can say we have very strong ties with Russia, and had Russia been in a position that it is today in back in 1999 I dont think this would have happend. Anyway we have two close allies, China and particulary Russia which we support a lot.

MIT--TheRealCoast

pre 15 godina

The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that the California based contingency here sees the world through those fantastically rose colour glasses.
Listing countries like Syria, Zimbabwe, Cuba, Iran, China, N.Korea.
Seems to me that their memories have been washed away. If I recall correctly, it was Germany, France, UK, Belgium, Holland, Spain and Portugal that raped pillaged Africa and the Americas. It was USA that has illegally bombed a number of countries under the rule of their latest presidents. It is America who has military bases in over 100 foriegn nations. These so-called rogue states are the ones that are trying to stand up to American totalitarianism and economic dictatorship. The countries that the American's listed are not near the level of evil that the American government claims they are. They are infact particularly defensive in nature. It is after all America that has the only documented usage of nuclear weapons on civilians. It is America that owns the largest (both in human numbers and seperate nations) ethnic cleansing genocidal history (though it is one of the youngest counties on the planet). It is America that holds nearly 1% of its population in prisions.
This is a voice of reason that I am suppose to follow.
Please American's keep your selfserving uneducated international opinions to FOX news with your favoirte UltraConservative NeoCons.

America holds an economic strangle hold over the world through it's shady self-serving (though its now explding in the faces of the 95% of the people that simply try to scrape by) "rape their resourses", "over work their destitute cheap employees" models the world over. They have managed to come close to destroying much of the world all by them selves.
America is where the most dangerous of all political evils lives. They are the friend who stabs you in the back. In Soviet Union and China you know where you stand. In America you are loved while you're needed to make someone else rich. After that it's your problem.

Andrew

pre 15 godina

All serbs should accept the fact that they've lost Kosovo forever. Have you ever been to Kosovo? 95% of the population are albanians, there are albanian flags everywhere, albanian police, universities and you name it.

Kosovo by day is getting closer to albania.

The only country that should be concerned is Macedonia. Already there are 30% albanians living there.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

Berekely,

It seems that like the rest of the irredentist Albanian camp you have a selective memory and omit many telling facts.

First of all Cuba. Do you realise that Cuba has been under an illegal economic and political sanctions for the last 50 years, a policy conducted by the US and declared illegal countless times by the UN. Cuba despite being under this stranglehold has a world class, health, education and social security service which is second to none.

'Kosova' on the other hand despite receiving billions since 1999 is still a basket case of corruption, crime, ramshackle schools and hospitals, power cuts and 50%+ unemployment. It has no functioning economy.

Cuba has been invaded, bombed, terrorised, subjected to chemical attacks, blockaded, intimidated its leaders living under fear of assassination (all by the US). It is a country still under siege and despite this, the Cuban people are determined than ever in the achievements of the Revolution. Cuba is a strong ally of Serbia and its not hard to see why. In the struggle of the Serbian people they can see thir own struggle, against the Spanish, Batista and 50 years of economic, chemical, terrorist and military war inflicted on the island by the US. Hardly the actions of a peace loving democratic country now is it?

What a great ally to have on your side, a schoolyard bully. Well Mr Berekely, like all schoolyard bullies, they eventually get their commuppance ad that will happen when the other kids in the yard (Cuba, Serbia, Russia, China, India, South Africa, Brazil, Venezuela, Spain etc.) stand up and say "enough".

You know what went on in Guantanamo?

Sidi

pre 15 godina

"It is with great pleasure that I visited Algeria as the first Serbian foreign minister to do so, while the history of our relations is that of brotherly ties," he was quoted as saying.


But wait a minute...I thought that Albanians were the threat of Christian Europe because they seek to spread the sword of Islam into the continent, starting with Christian Serbia. How, then, can Serbia have such brotherly love for Algeria, one of the preeminent suppliers of Al-Qaeda recruits? A little contradictory aren't we Mr. Jeremic? Say and do anything as long as it fits our short term political goals, right?

What shameful behavior from the Serb foreign minister. Mark my words, Algeria will recognize Kosova in the comming year, and Serbia will be left in the cold yet again.

Alban

pre 15 godina

Cooperation on culture with Algeria? Haha! Algeria is pretty much a Russian colony, hardly a Serbian victory. All we need is 50%+1 so those Algerians can keep their vote.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Drtian

Drtian you should be ashamed to suggest that Algeria is supporting Usama bin Laden.
Perhaps there are individuals that do but how can you drag an entire country and it's people in the mud? Just because a lot of Kosovo albanians deal with drugs, car thefts, prostitution, murder, human trafficing etc doesn't mean all albanians are involved, or does it? Besides do you remember the 3 or 4 albanians that were caught in America preparing a terrorist attack on a military base in North Carolina?
I guess as soon as someone doesn't support your idea of creating greater albania by stealing someone elses territory you begin to downplay the importance of, in this case, Algerias decision to reject Kosovo independence. Another thing that you should remember is that 99% of the world can recognize Kosovo but as long as Serbia doesn't sign it away it will forever belong to the Serbian nation and its people.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 15 godina

Until recently Jeremic and other serbs was accusing albanians of being connected to islamic terrorists, and now Jeremic tells of "brotherly ties between Serbia and Algeria"...
Well we now see who has brotherly ties with the arabs...

EA

pre 15 godina

It seems that Serbia is succeed in deviding the Islamic world. It will end up the majority of Islamic countries to recognise Kosova as an independent country the a small bunch of irrelevant countries to still resist for internal reasons. The same scenario as within the EU. The Serbia's policy is not going to get anywhere just to irritate and frustrate more Albanians and the most developed countries on earth.

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

This is very interesting:

The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria.

Seriously, the Albanians can be really proud not to be forced to call those regimes friends, because if you call these regimes friends, then there is no need to have enemies.

Congratulation, Serbia for strenghtening your cultural ties with the Arabic Algeria. Unfortunately, it is not the Emirates which are the richest Arabic nation.

Cheers!

Alban

pre 15 godina

>> "The responses to this very significant development from the pro-Albanian posters on this thread are absolutely pathetic."

Significant? A Russian puppet and an Islamist heaven supports Serbia.

"This is becoming a battle between the now bankrupt imperialists, versus their former colonies"

Why isn't Serbia asking the former colonies for a loan but is instead asking the "bankrupt imperialists"? Ha!

No IMF money for Serbia unless...

Drtian

pre 15 godina

"It is with great pleasure that I visited Algeria as the first Serbian foreign minister to do so, while the history of our relations is that of brotherly ties," he was quoted as saying.

LOL, "Brotherly ties" :)

Dragan

pre 15 godina

It is so nice to see so many former colonies siding with Serbia, despite pressure from their former colonialists (in this case, France).
This is becoming a battle between the now bankrupt imperialists, versus their former colonies. It is nice to see that Serbia is winning, hands down. We have the Russian veto in our pocket, which guarantees no UN seat for the fake, illegal, and immoral 'state' of Kosovo. All this other support we are getting is just a bonus.
Cheers!!

Gustave

pre 15 godina

What I have noticed here is that after every bilateral meeting it's almost always like this :

Jeremic said X supports Serbia

Tadic said Y supports Serbia

Dacic said Z supports Serbia

Can't we for once hear these supporting claims from the foreign themselves?

EA

pre 15 godina

"The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria."

Berkeley,

You nailed it! I loved that recap! Well done!


Regards

EA

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

"The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria."

That comment has all the hallmarks of George W Bush's Axis of Evil nonsense.

To put Cuba in that list is an insult to her people and the achievements of the Revolution which after 50 years is still going strong despite the terrorist and illegal campaign of its northern 'democratic' superpower neighbour.

You forget that Spain, Slovakia, Romania, Cyprus and Greece strongly support Serbia in its right to uphold its territorial integrity. I suppose you are going to group them in with Iran and North Korea too. By the way, 2 countres who are totally incompatable with each other.

VIVA CUBA, VIVA LA REVOLUCION

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

"To put Cuba in that list is an insult to her people and the achievements of the Revolution which after 50 years is still going strong despite the terrorist and illegal campaign of its northern 'democratic' superpower neighbour."

What you call "strong" is nothing else for an euphemistic description of a totalitarian in country in which freedom of speech is a mere dream of the inprisoned population. This island is big open-air jail from which every year people try to escape over the open sea, even when the chances to reach Florida are very low. Many people (families) died trying to leave this island. You must be very desperate to dare such a thing, but when you see this island as well as the reports of it, then it makes sense, as well as the reports from the escapees from North Korea. It really explains everything. Nobody tries to get to those countries. Even those who claim to propagate the revolution and the support of those regimes. Well, the West is still more comfortable, isn't it?

And regarding those countries like Spain, don't worry to much. Despite the fact that you can really find some democratic countries in the list of countries which didn't recognize (yet) the independence of Kosovo (like you can find a small number of not democratic countries in the list in favor of Kosovo), the large scale of dictatorships rules this list and supports Serbia, passionately. And this makes sense, because most of them know that in one way or another one that they do today the same thing what Serbia did during the 90s and would Serbia would continue to do even today if hadn't been bombed back to stoneage. Dictatorships understandably fear that their own minorities or simply surpressed people rise up their voice and fight for their freedom. It is the very essence of every human being which they fear, the will to be free, which is btw the main pillar of the international law on which everything else is based on and not vice versa.

Therefore, the Albanians can be really proud to have those friends, when you reflect the Serbian counterparts who even canabalize now the best parts of Serbian industry for a useless (and likely temporal) "Njet" in a practically useless council.

roberto

pre 15 godina

>>"The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria."

Berkeley
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yes, berkely, i agree with you, as usual.

except for one little point. i prefer to say "anti-independence" and not pro-serbian. i don't believe this current campaign against the vast majority of kosovo/a is somehow "pro-serbian"; i think that it is anti-human. and many progressive voices from serbia agree as well.

i will never accept these kind of ethnic dichotomies. we can find common ground, but only if we try and work at it, not just by repeating nationalist slogans.

as always i appreciate the support of all of our frnds and allies in this ongoing struggle for freedom and independence.

thank you.

roberto
frisco

shqiptar2k9

pre 15 godina

Next up: Jeremic travels to North Korea to make sure they don't recognize Kosovo and also to form strong brotherly ties with Kim Jong Il. LOL!

Gennci

pre 15 godina

It is so nice to see so many former colonies siding with Serbia, despite pressure from their former colonialists (in this case, France).
This is becoming a battle between the now bankrupt imperialists, versus their former colonies. It is nice to see that Serbia is winning, hands down. We have the Russian veto in our pocket, which guarantees no UN seat for the fake, illegal, and immoral 'state' of Kosovo. All this other support we are getting is just a bonus.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 21 March 2009 22:16)


No dear Dragan, this is not a battle between the bankrupt imperialists vs. their former colonies, but this is a battle between the democratic countries and hegemonic countries including Serbia that keeps their people with lies and lies and lies, and never leave them express their opinion or their rights!

Diana

pre 15 godina

some really daft pro Albanian comments- who was the first country to recognise Kosovo? That wonderful democratic country of AFGHANISTAN!!! the recognition of kosovo by some countries has nothing to do with fairness nor democracy- it's all about politics and imperialist expansion and a badly thought out plan to try and save face and get rid of the mess created by germany and the USA. It won't be long before they tire of the 'new born' brat. What a mess!!! as for Sebia- they have more ethnic minorities there including muslims than Albanians would ever tolerate. I doubt very much that they are antimuslim as such but are anti terrorist.

frunobulax

pre 15 godina

Berkeley refers continually to "the Albanians" rather than the Kosovars. Dear me, Mr B, you're supposed to at least *pretend* that the entire 1999 NATO schtick was about creating a "multi-ethnic.. blah blah" rather than 'Greater Albania'. Really, Mr B, at least in public please do try to uphold the pretense.
Cheerio to you and your 'neighbour' roberto.

Andrew

pre 15 godina

All serbs should accept the fact that they've lost Kosovo forever. Have you ever been to Kosovo? 95% of the population are albanians, there are albanian flags everywhere, albanian police, universities and you name it.

Kosovo by day is getting closer to albania.

The only country that should be concerned is Macedonia. Already there are 30% albanians living there.

MIT--TheRealCoast

pre 15 godina

The more oppressive a regime is, the more brutal to its own people, the more radical, islamo-fundamentalistic, totalitarian, etc., the more pro-Serbian it is. Iran, Simbabwe, North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, Syria, or in that case, Algeria.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that the California based contingency here sees the world through those fantastically rose colour glasses.
Listing countries like Syria, Zimbabwe, Cuba, Iran, China, N.Korea.
Seems to me that their memories have been washed away. If I recall correctly, it was Germany, France, UK, Belgium, Holland, Spain and Portugal that raped pillaged Africa and the Americas. It was USA that has illegally bombed a number of countries under the rule of their latest presidents. It is America who has military bases in over 100 foriegn nations. These so-called rogue states are the ones that are trying to stand up to American totalitarianism and economic dictatorship. The countries that the American's listed are not near the level of evil that the American government claims they are. They are infact particularly defensive in nature. It is after all America that has the only documented usage of nuclear weapons on civilians. It is America that owns the largest (both in human numbers and seperate nations) ethnic cleansing genocidal history (though it is one of the youngest counties on the planet). It is America that holds nearly 1% of its population in prisions.
This is a voice of reason that I am suppose to follow.
Please American's keep your selfserving uneducated international opinions to FOX news with your favoirte UltraConservative NeoCons.

America holds an economic strangle hold over the world through it's shady self-serving (though its now explding in the faces of the 95% of the people that simply try to scrape by) "rape their resourses", "over work their destitute cheap employees" models the world over. They have managed to come close to destroying much of the world all by them selves.
America is where the most dangerous of all political evils lives. They are the friend who stabs you in the back. In Soviet Union and China you know where you stand. In America you are loved while you're needed to make someone else rich. After that it's your problem.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

Berekely,

It seems that like the rest of the irredentist Albanian camp you have a selective memory and omit many telling facts.

First of all Cuba. Do you realise that Cuba has been under an illegal economic and political sanctions for the last 50 years, a policy conducted by the US and declared illegal countless times by the UN. Cuba despite being under this stranglehold has a world class, health, education and social security service which is second to none.

'Kosova' on the other hand despite receiving billions since 1999 is still a basket case of corruption, crime, ramshackle schools and hospitals, power cuts and 50%+ unemployment. It has no functioning economy.

Cuba has been invaded, bombed, terrorised, subjected to chemical attacks, blockaded, intimidated its leaders living under fear of assassination (all by the US). It is a country still under siege and despite this, the Cuban people are determined than ever in the achievements of the Revolution. Cuba is a strong ally of Serbia and its not hard to see why. In the struggle of the Serbian people they can see thir own struggle, against the Spanish, Batista and 50 years of economic, chemical, terrorist and military war inflicted on the island by the US. Hardly the actions of a peace loving democratic country now is it?

What a great ally to have on your side, a schoolyard bully. Well Mr Berekely, like all schoolyard bullies, they eventually get their commuppance ad that will happen when the other kids in the yard (Cuba, Serbia, Russia, China, India, South Africa, Brazil, Venezuela, Spain etc.) stand up and say "enough".

You know what went on in Guantanamo?

Dukinaldo

pre 15 godina

Albanians have their own country and they can cause problems there if they want to. But in our country they shall behave with respect towards every Serb. And don't tell me there are Serbs living in other countries. They do but did u ever hear of them? Or hear that people don't want them because of their actions? I guess not. And don't even try to mention Bosnia or Croatia.

Another thing is we were never bombed back to stoneage, but rather just bombed. Serbian economy is better then most of the economies in the Balkans, except for Croatia and Slovenia which is on the Beligum level.

Last thing our friends and ties we have is our own concern and I am glad that I can say we have very strong ties with Russia, and had Russia been in a position that it is today in back in 1999 I dont think this would have happend. Anyway we have two close allies, China and particulary Russia which we support a lot.