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Friday, 20.03.2009.

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Sarajevo: Serbia broke Rome Agreement

Serbia has breached the Rome Agreement by raising indictments against members of the Bosnian Presidency, say Željko Komšić and Haris Silajdžić.

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PJD

pre 15 godina

"But the World Court did find Serbia guilty of having violated its obligations under the Genocide Convention -- because Belgrade done nothing to prevent or punish the genocide, even though it had the power to do so.

And to this day Serbia remains in violation of the Genocide Convention, and in violation of the orders issued by the World Court, as long as the Belgrade government does not arrest and extradite Ratko Mladic.
(Jovan R., 20 March 2009 17:23)"

The only way Serbia or the FRY could have prevented the genocide was to have invaded which would have almost certainly meant an immediate attack from NATO so that is a nonsense.

The second part to do with Mladic only makes sense if it can be proved he has been in Serbia since 1995 and that Serbia has known his whereabouts.

The ICJ destroyed its own credibility by hearing the case at all as it had already ruled the FRY was not a UN member at the time.

M. Dz.

pre 15 godina

Dear Sir/Madam

This is an absurd, legal, moral…..to be accused by the Serbian state and its institutions which perpetrated and assisted in war against sovereign state, member of UN, namely Bosnia and assisted, initiated, (not preventing - By The International Court of Justice-Feb. 2007) the genocide against Bosniaks and non-Serbians…..There is a total historical ‘amnesia’ in Serbian society and that part of the Balkans.
For sake of new democratic Serbia, there is an urgent need for ‘cleansing’ of your national soul-BY HISTORICAL TRUTH. For a new generation of the Serbians, THE historical accuracy is a minimum you can do and they deserve it.
All of this would be fanny but I am afraid that Serbians’ nationalists take this charade, farce of justice seriously.
What Serbian state had with legitimate, sovereign Bosnia in 1992 (besides helping with war crimes)…what are legal bases, under what laws and what jurisdiction??

Let Mr. Ilija Jurisic go, free this Bosnian citizen. He was illegally accused, detained and jailed in Serbia on false pretense. The Bosnian authorities and NGOs should react more forcefully. Such blatant, brazen attack on Bosnian sovereignty, just like recent accusations against some other wartime elected Bosnian officials.

M.Dz.

ida

pre 15 godina

Serbia and the RS have a right to go after war criminals who committed crimes against the Serbs which the Hague ignores or overlooks.

Serbia signed the agreement in the false faith that the Hague would be a fair and decent arbiter.

Obviously the Hague doesn't think these Bosnian Muslim charged criminals are "important" therefore they don't apply to the agreement.

If they were "important" in the ICTY's view, then there would have been an addressing of the issue.

The new fangled version of "Genocide" is a very watered down one and simply means killing ENEMY COMBATANTS of a politically correct people.

Fact is that thousands of Srebrenica Muslim men did arrive in Tuzla but the Red Cross was prevented from learning their names.

The Bosnian Muslims continue to bury men who've died of natural causes AFTER the war in the memorial cemetery.

The Bosnian Muslims who sparked the war and committed mass murders of Serbian civilians and POWs need to be tried. If the ICTY is not fair and just and ignores grave crimes against the Serbian population, then Serbia must prosecute them.

Jovan R.

pre 15 godina

Things are getting confused by some of the commenters.

The Rome Agreement, which was signed by all parties to the Dayton Peace Accords (incl. Belgrade), was about the procedure for trying suspects suspected of having committed war crimes during the war in Bosnia.

The ICTY has the jurisdiction to try the most serious and senior figures accused of war crimes in the former Yugoslavia.

The accord agreed to at Rome concerned the hundreds of other war crimes cases, which could not be handled at the UN court. The deal that all parties agreed to was: the evidence in such cases would first have to be submitted for screening by international legal experts at the ICTY, who would be asked to check the evidence and give the green light to proceed, before the case could be brought to trial before the local courts in the Balkans.

This was intended as a way of preventing frivolous prosecutions being brought on the basis of insufficient evidence or for political motives.

The genocide case brought by Bosnia and Herzegovina against Serbia and Montenegro at the World Court is an entirely different matter. It has nothing to do with the Rome Accord, since it's not about prosecuting individuals suspected of crimes or about processes before local courts in the Balkans. And it was not a case handled by the ICTY.

That genocide case was brought before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague, also known as the World Court.

The ICJ is the permanent UN court, established in 1945 to rule on legal disputes between the UN member states. The ICJ deals only with the actions of countries. It's not a criminal court and it does not try individuals.

The case brought by Bosnia before the ICJ charged that Serbia and Montenegro had violated its international treaty obligations, by failing to comply with the terms of a treaty it had signed: the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

The ICJ issued its judgement in this case on 26 Feb. 2007, In its judgement, the World Court found that genocide had been committed at Srebrenica in July 1995. The court did not find sufficient evidence to rule that the Belgrade government had directly carried out the genocide.

But the World Court did find Serbia guilty of having violated its obligations under the Genocide Convention -- because Belgrade done nothing to prevent or punish the genocide, even though it had the power to do so.

And to this day Serbia remains in violation of the Genocide Convention, and in violation of the orders issued by the World Court, as long as the Belgrade government does not arrest and extradite Ratko Mladic.

Yaroslav

pre 15 godina

By their logic then Bosnia violated the treaty by persisting with it's lawsuit against Serbia.

Afterall thew Hague wasn't consulted and already by 2002 the Hague dropped charges of genocide against Slobo.

Dragan

pre 15 godina

Ganic and Silajdzic should be arrested if they step foot in Republika Srpska. They are responsible for starting the war when their troops murdered these soldiers of the JNA, who were withdrawing from Sarajevo. Canadian General Lewis Mackenzie will certainly testify on what has happened there.

Let them walk in security only in their little swath of land from Sarajevo to Tuzla. It is music to my ears that Republika Srpska will arrest them.

Cvele

pre 15 godina

They should be held in Banja Luka for the muslims and croats responsible for ethic cleansing against the Serb population. It would only be fair. If anything, RS should arrest them all and ship them to Serbia to be tried.

Dragan

pre 15 godina

Ganic and Silajdzic should be arrested if they step foot in Republika Srpska. They are responsible for starting the war when their troops murdered these soldiers of the JNA, who were withdrawing from Sarajevo. Canadian General Lewis Mackenzie will certainly testify on what has happened there.

Let them walk in security only in their little swath of land from Sarajevo to Tuzla. It is music to my ears that Republika Srpska will arrest them.

Cvele

pre 15 godina

They should be held in Banja Luka for the muslims and croats responsible for ethic cleansing against the Serb population. It would only be fair. If anything, RS should arrest them all and ship them to Serbia to be tried.

Yaroslav

pre 15 godina

By their logic then Bosnia violated the treaty by persisting with it's lawsuit against Serbia.

Afterall thew Hague wasn't consulted and already by 2002 the Hague dropped charges of genocide against Slobo.

ida

pre 15 godina

Serbia and the RS have a right to go after war criminals who committed crimes against the Serbs which the Hague ignores or overlooks.

Serbia signed the agreement in the false faith that the Hague would be a fair and decent arbiter.

Obviously the Hague doesn't think these Bosnian Muslim charged criminals are "important" therefore they don't apply to the agreement.

If they were "important" in the ICTY's view, then there would have been an addressing of the issue.

The new fangled version of "Genocide" is a very watered down one and simply means killing ENEMY COMBATANTS of a politically correct people.

Fact is that thousands of Srebrenica Muslim men did arrive in Tuzla but the Red Cross was prevented from learning their names.

The Bosnian Muslims continue to bury men who've died of natural causes AFTER the war in the memorial cemetery.

The Bosnian Muslims who sparked the war and committed mass murders of Serbian civilians and POWs need to be tried. If the ICTY is not fair and just and ignores grave crimes against the Serbian population, then Serbia must prosecute them.

Jovan R.

pre 15 godina

Things are getting confused by some of the commenters.

The Rome Agreement, which was signed by all parties to the Dayton Peace Accords (incl. Belgrade), was about the procedure for trying suspects suspected of having committed war crimes during the war in Bosnia.

The ICTY has the jurisdiction to try the most serious and senior figures accused of war crimes in the former Yugoslavia.

The accord agreed to at Rome concerned the hundreds of other war crimes cases, which could not be handled at the UN court. The deal that all parties agreed to was: the evidence in such cases would first have to be submitted for screening by international legal experts at the ICTY, who would be asked to check the evidence and give the green light to proceed, before the case could be brought to trial before the local courts in the Balkans.

This was intended as a way of preventing frivolous prosecutions being brought on the basis of insufficient evidence or for political motives.

The genocide case brought by Bosnia and Herzegovina against Serbia and Montenegro at the World Court is an entirely different matter. It has nothing to do with the Rome Accord, since it's not about prosecuting individuals suspected of crimes or about processes before local courts in the Balkans. And it was not a case handled by the ICTY.

That genocide case was brought before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague, also known as the World Court.

The ICJ is the permanent UN court, established in 1945 to rule on legal disputes between the UN member states. The ICJ deals only with the actions of countries. It's not a criminal court and it does not try individuals.

The case brought by Bosnia before the ICJ charged that Serbia and Montenegro had violated its international treaty obligations, by failing to comply with the terms of a treaty it had signed: the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

The ICJ issued its judgement in this case on 26 Feb. 2007, In its judgement, the World Court found that genocide had been committed at Srebrenica in July 1995. The court did not find sufficient evidence to rule that the Belgrade government had directly carried out the genocide.

But the World Court did find Serbia guilty of having violated its obligations under the Genocide Convention -- because Belgrade done nothing to prevent or punish the genocide, even though it had the power to do so.

And to this day Serbia remains in violation of the Genocide Convention, and in violation of the orders issued by the World Court, as long as the Belgrade government does not arrest and extradite Ratko Mladic.

M. Dz.

pre 15 godina

Dear Sir/Madam

This is an absurd, legal, moral…..to be accused by the Serbian state and its institutions which perpetrated and assisted in war against sovereign state, member of UN, namely Bosnia and assisted, initiated, (not preventing - By The International Court of Justice-Feb. 2007) the genocide against Bosniaks and non-Serbians…..There is a total historical ‘amnesia’ in Serbian society and that part of the Balkans.
For sake of new democratic Serbia, there is an urgent need for ‘cleansing’ of your national soul-BY HISTORICAL TRUTH. For a new generation of the Serbians, THE historical accuracy is a minimum you can do and they deserve it.
All of this would be fanny but I am afraid that Serbians’ nationalists take this charade, farce of justice seriously.
What Serbian state had with legitimate, sovereign Bosnia in 1992 (besides helping with war crimes)…what are legal bases, under what laws and what jurisdiction??

Let Mr. Ilija Jurisic go, free this Bosnian citizen. He was illegally accused, detained and jailed in Serbia on false pretense. The Bosnian authorities and NGOs should react more forcefully. Such blatant, brazen attack on Bosnian sovereignty, just like recent accusations against some other wartime elected Bosnian officials.

M.Dz.

PJD

pre 15 godina

"But the World Court did find Serbia guilty of having violated its obligations under the Genocide Convention -- because Belgrade done nothing to prevent or punish the genocide, even though it had the power to do so.

And to this day Serbia remains in violation of the Genocide Convention, and in violation of the orders issued by the World Court, as long as the Belgrade government does not arrest and extradite Ratko Mladic.
(Jovan R., 20 March 2009 17:23)"

The only way Serbia or the FRY could have prevented the genocide was to have invaded which would have almost certainly meant an immediate attack from NATO so that is a nonsense.

The second part to do with Mladic only makes sense if it can be proved he has been in Serbia since 1995 and that Serbia has known his whereabouts.

The ICJ destroyed its own credibility by hearing the case at all as it had already ruled the FRY was not a UN member at the time.

Jovan R.

pre 15 godina

Things are getting confused by some of the commenters.

The Rome Agreement, which was signed by all parties to the Dayton Peace Accords (incl. Belgrade), was about the procedure for trying suspects suspected of having committed war crimes during the war in Bosnia.

The ICTY has the jurisdiction to try the most serious and senior figures accused of war crimes in the former Yugoslavia.

The accord agreed to at Rome concerned the hundreds of other war crimes cases, which could not be handled at the UN court. The deal that all parties agreed to was: the evidence in such cases would first have to be submitted for screening by international legal experts at the ICTY, who would be asked to check the evidence and give the green light to proceed, before the case could be brought to trial before the local courts in the Balkans.

This was intended as a way of preventing frivolous prosecutions being brought on the basis of insufficient evidence or for political motives.

The genocide case brought by Bosnia and Herzegovina against Serbia and Montenegro at the World Court is an entirely different matter. It has nothing to do with the Rome Accord, since it's not about prosecuting individuals suspected of crimes or about processes before local courts in the Balkans. And it was not a case handled by the ICTY.

That genocide case was brought before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague, also known as the World Court.

The ICJ is the permanent UN court, established in 1945 to rule on legal disputes between the UN member states. The ICJ deals only with the actions of countries. It's not a criminal court and it does not try individuals.

The case brought by Bosnia before the ICJ charged that Serbia and Montenegro had violated its international treaty obligations, by failing to comply with the terms of a treaty it had signed: the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

The ICJ issued its judgement in this case on 26 Feb. 2007, In its judgement, the World Court found that genocide had been committed at Srebrenica in July 1995. The court did not find sufficient evidence to rule that the Belgrade government had directly carried out the genocide.

But the World Court did find Serbia guilty of having violated its obligations under the Genocide Convention -- because Belgrade done nothing to prevent or punish the genocide, even though it had the power to do so.

And to this day Serbia remains in violation of the Genocide Convention, and in violation of the orders issued by the World Court, as long as the Belgrade government does not arrest and extradite Ratko Mladic.

M. Dz.

pre 15 godina

Dear Sir/Madam

This is an absurd, legal, moral…..to be accused by the Serbian state and its institutions which perpetrated and assisted in war against sovereign state, member of UN, namely Bosnia and assisted, initiated, (not preventing - By The International Court of Justice-Feb. 2007) the genocide against Bosniaks and non-Serbians…..There is a total historical ‘amnesia’ in Serbian society and that part of the Balkans.
For sake of new democratic Serbia, there is an urgent need for ‘cleansing’ of your national soul-BY HISTORICAL TRUTH. For a new generation of the Serbians, THE historical accuracy is a minimum you can do and they deserve it.
All of this would be fanny but I am afraid that Serbians’ nationalists take this charade, farce of justice seriously.
What Serbian state had with legitimate, sovereign Bosnia in 1992 (besides helping with war crimes)…what are legal bases, under what laws and what jurisdiction??

Let Mr. Ilija Jurisic go, free this Bosnian citizen. He was illegally accused, detained and jailed in Serbia on false pretense. The Bosnian authorities and NGOs should react more forcefully. Such blatant, brazen attack on Bosnian sovereignty, just like recent accusations against some other wartime elected Bosnian officials.

M.Dz.

Dragan

pre 15 godina

Ganic and Silajdzic should be arrested if they step foot in Republika Srpska. They are responsible for starting the war when their troops murdered these soldiers of the JNA, who were withdrawing from Sarajevo. Canadian General Lewis Mackenzie will certainly testify on what has happened there.

Let them walk in security only in their little swath of land from Sarajevo to Tuzla. It is music to my ears that Republika Srpska will arrest them.

Cvele

pre 15 godina

They should be held in Banja Luka for the muslims and croats responsible for ethic cleansing against the Serb population. It would only be fair. If anything, RS should arrest them all and ship them to Serbia to be tried.

Yaroslav

pre 15 godina

By their logic then Bosnia violated the treaty by persisting with it's lawsuit against Serbia.

Afterall thew Hague wasn't consulted and already by 2002 the Hague dropped charges of genocide against Slobo.

ida

pre 15 godina

Serbia and the RS have a right to go after war criminals who committed crimes against the Serbs which the Hague ignores or overlooks.

Serbia signed the agreement in the false faith that the Hague would be a fair and decent arbiter.

Obviously the Hague doesn't think these Bosnian Muslim charged criminals are "important" therefore they don't apply to the agreement.

If they were "important" in the ICTY's view, then there would have been an addressing of the issue.

The new fangled version of "Genocide" is a very watered down one and simply means killing ENEMY COMBATANTS of a politically correct people.

Fact is that thousands of Srebrenica Muslim men did arrive in Tuzla but the Red Cross was prevented from learning their names.

The Bosnian Muslims continue to bury men who've died of natural causes AFTER the war in the memorial cemetery.

The Bosnian Muslims who sparked the war and committed mass murders of Serbian civilians and POWs need to be tried. If the ICTY is not fair and just and ignores grave crimes against the Serbian population, then Serbia must prosecute them.

PJD

pre 15 godina

"But the World Court did find Serbia guilty of having violated its obligations under the Genocide Convention -- because Belgrade done nothing to prevent or punish the genocide, even though it had the power to do so.

And to this day Serbia remains in violation of the Genocide Convention, and in violation of the orders issued by the World Court, as long as the Belgrade government does not arrest and extradite Ratko Mladic.
(Jovan R., 20 March 2009 17:23)"

The only way Serbia or the FRY could have prevented the genocide was to have invaded which would have almost certainly meant an immediate attack from NATO so that is a nonsense.

The second part to do with Mladic only makes sense if it can be proved he has been in Serbia since 1995 and that Serbia has known his whereabouts.

The ICJ destroyed its own credibility by hearing the case at all as it had already ruled the FRY was not a UN member at the time.