Skopje offers Athens friendship declaration

The Macedonians have finally begun to realize who their true friend are. Sucking up to the Albanians will only lead to a much smaller Macedonia in the end. Greece and Macedonia share the same religion and it's natural they have a close relationship.
(HG, 19 March 2009 15:44)

It's to early to say anything, but one is for sure: "FYROMania" will lead to "Pyromania" and that to "Megalo-Albania".

To prevent such things, FYROM should probably go into a state union with either Bulgaria or Serbia.

The idea of "Mega-Albania" is the biggest danger for Western Balkans.

The Macedonians have finally begun to realize who their true friend are. Sucking up to the Albanians will only lead to a much smaller Macedonia in the end. Greece and Macedonia share the same religion and it's natural they have a close relationship.

FYROM's FM is suing Greece in international court for the terms of their Interim Accord. Is he serious now that he wants Greece to sign a new Interim Accord at the same time that he's suing them?

In order to overcome differences in terms of certain historical issues, the minister once again proposed the creation of a joint education and history committee.

Milososki learnt his tricks from the Turks who made a similar offer to Armenians to set up committees to investigate whether the Armenian genocide really happened.
The answer was,of course,negative since history was well documented by the accounts of eyewitnesses,world media and diplomats.
World history has been well documented for thousands of years only to be challenged in the last 20 years by the Fyromian upstarts.
They know who they are and what is their ethnicity.
They also know that Macedonians are Greek,have a Greek consiousness and speak Greek.Therefore, the Greeks will not engage will Milososki in his historical revisionism and ludicrous assertions that are full of hot air and are nothing but delaying tactics to resolve the "name" issue.

Macedonia is a doomed state.Ethnographically within 20 years it will have an Albanian majority who will join with Albania and kosovo.The overtures are fantasy.

Leonidis,

Just stop it already! You darn well know the Macedonians of Alaexander were neither Slavs nor Greek! They eventually assimilated into Greek culture true. Too bad the Albanians never chose to do that in the former Yugoslavia otherwise we wouldn't have some of these issues now. I'm actually of Serbian/Russian decent and know my ancestory well (too well probably), even though my family is from Macedonia. You guys have to come to grips about the Northern part of your country that has Macedonians and not pretend that EVERYONE is Greek. Just get over yourselves. You've been watching "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" too much. Next thing you'll tell us is that all of humanity is Greek too.

The fact is all of us should be working together! The macedonains need to stop acting Alexander was one of us, and you guys need to admit that everyone within your border isn't Greek and maybe we just might get along and deal with the issues at hand....

Tony/USA

The identity of the ancient Macedonians is well established by both modern and archaelogical data.
To start with, their names,gods,culture were Greek.Mecedonian currency was the Drachma-as it was in the rest of the Greek cities-and their coins had the names of their kings written in Greek.
More than 5000 inscriptions found in Macedonia before Roman times are all written in Greek.
Can you name me one inscription that is written in Fyromian/Bulgarian language?
Can you find me one modern Fyromian name that sounds like ancient Macedonian?
Of course not because your identity,language and culture is totally allien to the Greek one.

"nik' don't use ny nickname! Please add something to it!
There will be a confusion!
The macedonians were part of the Bulgarian nation 3-4 generations ago, but today they constitute a nation of their own! The same process at the the one turning the Serbs into Montenegrins. Those are the fruits of the seanseless confrontation between the Serbs and the Bulgarians. The Greeks supported the Serbs in their attemts to sever the macedonians from their Bulgarian stem, now they collect the bitter fruits! It's time the Balkan nations learn to co-operate

Toni,

The history curriculum in three places (Russia, Hungary, USA) us and/or our kids happen to visit does say clearly.

The Macedonians weren't "Greek" as far as "Greek" is considered to be someone from known city-States. They were HELLENES instead - people of "Greek" origin and language, but not belonging to the city-States. Such were looked down by the city-dwellers as "Barbarian" - but they weren't any less Hellenic than, say, Spartans or Athenians.

This little confusion is abused by FYROManiac propaganda.

toni/usa
Toni, just take a little time and read the following two documents with an open, objective mind:
1- http://www.scribd.com/doc/12981719/Professor-S-Millers-Letter-to-Archaeology-Magazine-on-Macedonia
and 2- http://www.scribd.com/doc/11474737/If-the-fYR-of-Macedonia-needs-a-lie-in-order-to-exist-its-existence-is-redundant-by-MATemplar-
The slavs and "paionians" of fYR of Macedonia make the grave mistake of "trying to cut the branch on which they seat". Soon it will be too late if they don't change radically their short-sighted policy and politicians.

FACE IT, THOSE MACEDONIANS WERE NOT GREEK UNTIL YEARS LATER. GET OVER YOURSELVES. Btw, you current Greeks have very little in common with the Ancient Greeks because you've been mixed with other groups.
(Toni USA, 20 March 2009 13:02)

Tony, for God's sake, please do not try to convince us. From academic history point of view most of us are peons, certainly I am. Instead, please convince Californian Board of Education, for instance - or ministers of education in Hungary or Russia.

Once you are successful, I will gladly accept, Macedonians weren't Hellenes.

All jokes, teasing and the rest aside. What the heck is wrong to be a Bulgarian? I really do not understand. They (Bulgarians) contributed quite a lot, had a mighty empire, their dialect spoken around Thessaloniki 1000 or so years ago became the base of Church-Slavonic, thus the liturgical and literature base of a score of modern Slavonic languages spoken in the area from Arctic Circle to Western Balkans. All money world has is not enough to buy the treasures accumulated in that area. It's a much bigger, mightier and more developed area than what Alexander the Great did ever dream about.

The only issue: the people who live in that huge area have really not much to do with Alexander the Great. "Big" deal... :-/

Leonidids,

"Can you find me one modern Fyromian name that sounds like ancient Macedonian?
Of course not because your identity,language and culture is totally allien to the Greek one."

Did you not see me write that Alexander was not a Slav Macedonian? Are you serious? What are you? The Greek propoganda minister? I'm not even wasting my time with you... FACE IT, THOSE MACEDONIANS WERE NOT GREEK UNTIL YEARS LATER. GET OVER YOURSELVES. Btw, you current Greeks have very little in common with the Ancient Greeks because you've been mixed with other groups.

Ataman,

"All jokes, teasing and the rest aside. What the heck is wrong to be a Bulgarian? I really do not understand."

Really? Are you kidding? Because we AREN'T Bulgarians. And I really don't consider myself "Macedonian" if you read above! I'm actually more Serbian as both my parents families came from Kosovo (my mother's family came from Russia in 1701!). I don't know what ethnic group you belong to (but if you're Greek), would you like someone to say what's wrong about being Persian? I mean did they not contribute to humanity more with Astronomy? Such a nonsensical argument. I mean it's insulting for crying out loud!

As for your education board stuff.. please spare me about convincing academic boards! You obviously wish you were on one since you are bringing them up. I actually work in ACADEMIA here in the states! Education Boards are hardly on my list of places that need convincing (since it's political what they decide is in the curriculum; just look at how the Greek Civil War is covered in most textbooks, not in my class it is). What's next? You'll tell me the Illinois Congress passed a resolution backed by the Greek lobbists that all Macedonians are Hellenic in nature right? Oh wait, they already did that because they know so much about History...

#8 Well said Nik....
Our nation is a result the others being greedy..

Its too late now the Macedonians have developed its own conscience.

I do not know, Toni, but please find where I did say, YOU are a Bulgarian.

Fine, forget America - let's imagine, these pesky "new-Greeks" did infest half of the States. How about the rest of the world, like.... that, you know, big, country where you can board a train in the capital city, ride the train for a week - and still be in the same country. Just in case you still know the language of your ancestors....

http://tinyurl.com/c87z94

"Между р. Галиакмоном и Аксиосом болотистая местность называлась Эмафией ('Ημαθια) и составляла собственно М., населенную греческим племенем, близким по языку дорянам."

It cannot be said more explicit way:

"греческим племенем, близким по языку дорянам"

"(populated by) Greek tribe, with the dialect close to Dorians"

Anyone disputing that?

Leonidis,

Just stop it already! You darn well know the Macedonians of Alaexander were neither Slavs nor Greek! They eventually assimilated into Greek culture true. Too bad the Albanians never chose to do that in the former Yugoslavia otherwise we wouldn't have some of these issues now. I'm actually of Serbian/Russian decent and know my ancestory well (too well probably), even though my family is from Macedonia. You guys have to come to grips about the Northern part of your country that has Macedonians and not pretend that EVERYONE is Greek. Just get over yourselves. You've been watching "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" too much. Next thing you'll tell us is that all of humanity is Greek too.

The fact is all of us should be working together! The macedonains need to stop acting Alexander was one of us, and you guys need to admit that everyone within your border isn't Greek and maybe we just might get along and deal with the issues at hand....

The Macedonians have finally begun to realize who their true friend are. Sucking up to the Albanians will only lead to a much smaller Macedonia in the end. Greece and Macedonia share the same religion and it's natural they have a close relationship.

The Macedonians have finally begun to realize who their true friend are. Sucking up to the Albanians will only lead to a much smaller Macedonia in the end. Greece and Macedonia share the same religion and it's natural they have a close relationship.
(HG, 19 March 2009 15:44)

It's to early to say anything, but one is for sure: "FYROMania" will lead to "Pyromania" and that to "Megalo-Albania".

To prevent such things, FYROM should probably go into a state union with either Bulgaria or Serbia.

The idea of "Mega-Albania" is the biggest danger for Western Balkans.

Macedonia is a doomed state.Ethnographically within 20 years it will have an Albanian majority who will join with Albania and kosovo.The overtures are fantasy.

Leonidids,

"Can you find me one modern Fyromian name that sounds like ancient Macedonian?
Of course not because your identity,language and culture is totally allien to the Greek one."

Did you not see me write that Alexander was not a Slav Macedonian? Are you serious? What are you? The Greek propoganda minister? I'm not even wasting my time with you... FACE IT, THOSE MACEDONIANS WERE NOT GREEK UNTIL YEARS LATER. GET OVER YOURSELVES. Btw, you current Greeks have very little in common with the Ancient Greeks because you've been mixed with other groups.

FYROM's FM is suing Greece in international court for the terms of their Interim Accord. Is he serious now that he wants Greece to sign a new Interim Accord at the same time that he's suing them?

In order to overcome differences in terms of certain historical issues, the minister once again proposed the creation of a joint education and history committee.

Milososki learnt his tricks from the Turks who made a similar offer to Armenians to set up committees to investigate whether the Armenian genocide really happened.
The answer was,of course,negative since history was well documented by the accounts of eyewitnesses,world media and diplomats.
World history has been well documented for thousands of years only to be challenged in the last 20 years by the Fyromian upstarts.
They know who they are and what is their ethnicity.
They also know that Macedonians are Greek,have a Greek consiousness and speak Greek.Therefore, the Greeks will not engage will Milososki in his historical revisionism and ludicrous assertions that are full of hot air and are nothing but delaying tactics to resolve the "name" issue.

Tony/USA

The identity of the ancient Macedonians is well established by both modern and archaelogical data.
To start with, their names,gods,culture were Greek.Mecedonian currency was the Drachma-as it was in the rest of the Greek cities-and their coins had the names of their kings written in Greek.
More than 5000 inscriptions found in Macedonia before Roman times are all written in Greek.
Can you name me one inscription that is written in Fyromian/Bulgarian language?
Can you find me one modern Fyromian name that sounds like ancient Macedonian?
Of course not because your identity,language and culture is totally allien to the Greek one.

#8 Well said Nik....
Our nation is a result the others being greedy..

Its too late now the Macedonians have developed its own conscience.

"nik' don't use ny nickname! Please add something to it!
There will be a confusion!
The macedonians were part of the Bulgarian nation 3-4 generations ago, but today they constitute a nation of their own! The same process at the the one turning the Serbs into Montenegrins. Those are the fruits of the seanseless confrontation between the Serbs and the Bulgarians. The Greeks supported the Serbs in their attemts to sever the macedonians from their Bulgarian stem, now they collect the bitter fruits! It's time the Balkan nations learn to co-operate

FACE IT, THOSE MACEDONIANS WERE NOT GREEK UNTIL YEARS LATER. GET OVER YOURSELVES. Btw, you current Greeks have very little in common with the Ancient Greeks because you've been mixed with other groups.
(Toni USA, 20 March 2009 13:02)

Tony, for God's sake, please do not try to convince us. From academic history point of view most of us are peons, certainly I am. Instead, please convince Californian Board of Education, for instance - or ministers of education in Hungary or Russia.

Once you are successful, I will gladly accept, Macedonians weren't Hellenes.

All jokes, teasing and the rest aside. What the heck is wrong to be a Bulgarian? I really do not understand. They (Bulgarians) contributed quite a lot, had a mighty empire, their dialect spoken around Thessaloniki 1000 or so years ago became the base of Church-Slavonic, thus the liturgical and literature base of a score of modern Slavonic languages spoken in the area from Arctic Circle to Western Balkans. All money world has is not enough to buy the treasures accumulated in that area. It's a much bigger, mightier and more developed area than what Alexander the Great did ever dream about.

The only issue: the people who live in that huge area have really not much to do with Alexander the Great. "Big" deal... :-/

Toni,

The history curriculum in three places (Russia, Hungary, USA) us and/or our kids happen to visit does say clearly.

The Macedonians weren't "Greek" as far as "Greek" is considered to be someone from known city-States. They were HELLENES instead - people of "Greek" origin and language, but not belonging to the city-States. Such were looked down by the city-dwellers as "Barbarian" - but they weren't any less Hellenic than, say, Spartans or Athenians.

This little confusion is abused by FYROManiac propaganda.

Ataman,

"All jokes, teasing and the rest aside. What the heck is wrong to be a Bulgarian? I really do not understand."

Really? Are you kidding? Because we AREN'T Bulgarians. And I really don't consider myself "Macedonian" if you read above! I'm actually more Serbian as both my parents families came from Kosovo (my mother's family came from Russia in 1701!). I don't know what ethnic group you belong to (but if you're Greek), would you like someone to say what's wrong about being Persian? I mean did they not contribute to humanity more with Astronomy? Such a nonsensical argument. I mean it's insulting for crying out loud!

As for your education board stuff.. please spare me about convincing academic boards! You obviously wish you were on one since you are bringing them up. I actually work in ACADEMIA here in the states! Education Boards are hardly on my list of places that need convincing (since it's political what they decide is in the curriculum; just look at how the Greek Civil War is covered in most textbooks, not in my class it is). What's next? You'll tell me the Illinois Congress passed a resolution backed by the Greek lobbists that all Macedonians are Hellenic in nature right? Oh wait, they already did that because they know so much about History...

toni/usa
Toni, just take a little time and read the following two documents with an open, objective mind:
1- http://www.scribd.com/doc/12981719/Professor-S-Millers-Letter-to-Archaeology-Magazine-on-Macedonia
and 2- http://www.scribd.com/doc/11474737/If-the-fYR-of-Macedonia-needs-a-lie-in-order-to-exist-its-existence-is-redundant-by-MATemplar-
The slavs and "paionians" of fYR of Macedonia make the grave mistake of "trying to cut the branch on which they seat". Soon it will be too late if they don't change radically their short-sighted policy and politicians.

I do not know, Toni, but please find where I did say, YOU are a Bulgarian.

Fine, forget America - let's imagine, these pesky "new-Greeks" did infest half of the States. How about the rest of the world, like.... that, you know, big, country where you can board a train in the capital city, ride the train for a week - and still be in the same country. Just in case you still know the language of your ancestors....

http://tinyurl.com/c87z94

"Между р. Галиакмоном и Аксиосом болотистая местность называлась Эмафией ('Ημαθια) и составляла собственно М., населенную греческим племенем, близким по языку дорянам."

It cannot be said more explicit way:

"греческим племенем, близким по языку дорянам"

"(populated by) Greek tribe, with the dialect close to Dorians"

Anyone disputing that?