The Maldivian parliament has launched an investigation into allegations that this country's government had recognized Kosovo in exchange for a USD 2mn bribe.
" Kosovo is full with graves of Kosovo Albanian civilians (men, women and children) as a result of the infamous Serbia rule of law.
(blero, 20 March 2009 01:33)"
And let's not forget all of the K-albanian civilians killed by the KLA & NATO.
And of course let's not forget the K-Serb civilians & other minorities (men, women & children) killed by the KLA & NATO - many of which were killed by K-albanians after the war ended.
And then of course, let's not forget the more recent systematic & orchestrated pogrom against K-serb civilians & other minorities in 2004 by tens of thousands of K-albanians across the entire province.
By all means 'blero', let's not forget both Milosevic's rule of law then, & K-albanian rule of law since.
"Still arguing on this issue?
It is called LOBBYING, nothing more.
(AO KS, 20 March 2009 23:13) "
No, if the allegations are correct, then its called bribery. In that event, only those who have no respect for the rule of law would call it 'LOBBYING'.
3. I thought that Maldives was a tiny place that nobody knew about (at least this is how it was portrayed when they recognised Kosovo) and its vote meant nothing. Just suddenly the vote seems to be of a high value!!!
(blero, 19 March 2009 15:33)
No Blero, Maldive vote is not of high value but bribery and corruption are serious matters. That's why there is an investigation into this.
"Only countries that are bullied by Russia are stil afraid to accept us, but we are headed on the right direction.
There is no going back, Kosova is independent and will remain so."
(afrim hoxha, 19 March 2009 17:04)
I didn't know that Russia can bully 2/3 of the world.
You can't honestly belive what you have written.
Please Niall, just tell me if you actually believe what you have just written!!!
Saying that Serbia is relying on the application of the rule of law is laughable.
Please Niall, try to sell these to the tourists not to people that know first hand the implementation of the Serbian “rule of law”.
Kosovo is full with graves of Kosovo Albanian civilians (men, women and children) as a result of the infamous Serbia rule of law.
I suppose this explains why there are all these unknown little island states recognizing Kosovo these past few months. Someone is simply buying their vote!
So much for justice, international law and what is right/wrong. Money talks! Thankfully, I doubt that China, Russia and Spain will set a price that anyone will be able to afford. It would be no surprize if more such scandals were to surface.
I dont think you understand. The rule of law must be fair and transparent and equal to all. You cannot buy favours, i.e. bribes.
While Serbia is relying on the application of the rule of law, the irredentist Albanian lobby are instead resorting to bribery. I'm sure the ICJ is taking note of the Albanian tactics.
This is an absolutely fat lie. Kosovo would never give 2 million $ to a country to accept us.
We give the facts and show the reality on the ground and countries accept us.
Only countries that are bullied by Russia are stil afraid to accept us, but we are headed on the right direction.
There is no going back, Kosova is independent and will remain so.
This news appeared several weeks ago (if not mistaken) and subsequently I saw Pacolli in an interview where he explained that he and “his team” (as he says) are lobbying for a long time in many countries, especially in the Muslim ones (where Maldives fall) and in his interview he added that Maldives recognition has come as a result of this lobbying and not bribery. Now it is everyone’s right to doubt this, but until proven by a court it will only remain as such – an allegation, a doubt. I’m sure you all understand this quite well. And it is quite strange to see that the pro Serbian posters believe that this recognition was bought, what is only an allegation, while on the other hand they say that the number of the assassination, burned houses, and all the damage done to the Kosovo Albanian people is much lower than the proven figures. Maybe this is something we bought too. This is pathetic.
Let us assume that this happened though I doubt it did.
Three valid (well, my opinion) points need to be raised:
1. All the countries that have or have not recognised Kosovo so far have their personal reasons for doing so (apart from Albania and possibly Russia where the support might be genuine). None of them has acted the way they have (pro or con) in order to preserve the international law solely in one way or another. If the pro-Serbian commentators believe that India support Serbia’s cause because it wants to preserve the law you are kidding yourself. The simple answer to that is, Kashmir. Each EU country that has not recognised Kosovo (and many world countries) yet has its own Kashmir. Look at Greece and Cameria! The EU countries that don’t have their Kashmir’s have acted already.
2. If Serbia knew that this was taking place and knew that the Maldives vote “was” on offer to the highest bidder, why didn’t Serbia up the stakes (offer 1 USD more and you win the bid – learn from EBay)? I guess that it must be an embarrassment when an individual outbids a state!! Don’t you have millionaires in Serbia that call themselves patriots?
3. I thought that Maldives was a tiny place that nobody knew about (at least this is how it was portrayed when they recognised Kosovo) and its vote meant nothing. Just suddenly the vote seems to be of a high value!!!
This is very interesting. And I am not surprised Pacolli is involved in this too. After all it was Pacolli who was involved in the alleged bribery of Ahtisaari two years ago in connection with the so called Ahtisaari-plan.
why serbs are jelouse what we do, becouse we have people who pay money for Kosova, and we have support of most Strongest States of this World staring from USA etc.
Serbs would wish to have support like we do, but unfortinantly they dont.
Soon we gonna buy UN and Russia, just wait a little.
So we dont mind to give all money for supporting our State Kosova.
> According to the media ... the government officials, including foreign minister Ahmed Shaheed, had accepted a bribe from Behgjet Pacolli, who heads a Kosovo Albanian opposition party.
This the same guy that was charged with "money laundering and criminal association" by the swiss (Carla del Ponte no less) back in 2000?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/jun/28/russia
The same guy mentioned in relation to the bribery allegations against Marti Ahtisaari in 2007?
http://alanpetersnewsbriefs.blogspot.com/2007/07/details-of-bribing-of-un-special-envoy.html
EA:
> I do not think is worthy to take any notice of cheap talk from the Serbian panel in here.
Funny - thought this was a serb website.
> All they stand for is denial, obstruction, misinforming.
Pot calling the kettle black.
> NOTHING CAN STOP THE USTOPPABLE!
Whats a ustoppable? Something that stops & does a U-turn?
#3. Do you seriously mean to suggest that the Serbian Government in some way is involved in this alleged bribery? Your comment along with the comment later about Thaci and Co should use all means, legal and illegal only serves to encourage more people to consider the UDI to be both illegal and immoral. Serb posters here should rejoice at such inane comments. Who needs PR when you have posters like these? I sincerely hope that the UK government have not been involved in any activity like the allegations made here. If true it is shameful and should serve to inform the legal process currently underway to investigate the legality of the UDI. Maybe, just maybe some justice will at last be seen to be done as a result. We can live in hope of that, surely?
if not of this was true then why are the albanian posters creating a firestorm of blaming the US and everyone else except Mr Pacolli who was at the Arab League meeting. There is always 1 finger pointed and but 4 fingers are point right back at the source. I don't think there will be anymore countries stepping up due to this bribery charge in the near future.
The investigation is still going on, nobody knows for sure. It seems that there is too much judgment and prediction but no actual facts. So, why not wait what the investigation will say.
Pacolli has enough money to do something like that but its uncertain why he would do that, or even if he did that.
This Pacolli man was not an KLA or anything like that,he is worth couple $ billion and he made his money
in a dirty busines.
he bribed serbian politiccians as well but they were to cheep to buy and thats why no one is talking in your side yet.
if there is a contry recognizing Kosova like USA CANADA AUSTRALIA they are each biger than whole EUROPE you say Kosova is muslim country you shouldnt do that,in the other hand when country like MALDIVES recognised Kosova you serbs say this is an Island,Kosovars are not muslims,they bribed you etc.
Thaci's diplomatic offensive! LOL. Are there any other islands out there to bribe? But seriously, a strong diplomatic effort by the worlds newest state. A victory is a victory.
albanians are going to go broke from bribing these little places of 500,000 people and they still wont have kosovo as independent since the biggest and most of the world says no so it seems like the americans bribed a few but cant now and now the albanians will ,make their people totally broke just to get a couple of little places with 500,000 people. in other words the albanian so called government is going to starve their people to death just to get a few little places.
This is what I like about this site. When Maldives recognized Kosovo, how many posters jumped at the chance to point out what a tiny insignificant country this was and that it was only because of their puppet status. Its recognition was meaningless.
Now with the hint of a scandal, it suddenly is the most important country in the world, and the remote possibility that the recognition could be reversed has people acting like Pavlov's dogs.
"Agree, Serbia has a truth of killing 12000 people, burning of 250.000 houses and deporting over 800.000 civilians from Kosova.Yes buddy this is the truth of Serbia
(Tonito, 18 March 2009 21:01)"
You can tell when people are not telling the truth about these things is when the numbers keep changing.
Nehat, Serbia's GDP isn't dropping. The most recent figures published show it is growing. It is exepcted to grow by 0.5% this year despite the recession.
The only thing booming in Kosovo are bombs http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=03&dd=18&nav_id=57909
Agree, Serbia has a truth of killing 12000 people, burning of 250.000 houses and deporting over 800.000 civilians from Kosova.Yes buddy this is the truth of Serbia
(Tonito, 18 March 2009 21:01)
Oh for God's sake, stop beating that dead horse will you.
Nothing new. We've been hearing this for a decade now. It's time the world knew the whole truth, not just your truth.
The world has hear your version over and over, but what the world is waiting to hear is the complete truth which involved Serbian victims and Albanian criminals.
On a different note, all this bribery must've left America's purse a little empty.
Firstable, the report of bribery for recognition is false. It's quite laughable actually.
However, if bribing does work, why not do it? Who cares about morality? This is a struggle to survive.
The first lesson of international relations is that states will do anything (lawful, or even unlawful under the table) to have things done their way.
I suppose bribery is another option. Good job Kosovo for utilizing everything in their power.
And great news that we expect 3 more countries to recognize the world's newest nation by the end of this month. I'll toast a glass of red wine three times in appreciation.
I am glad to know that Kosovo is so rich that can buy its independence. According to some peoples logic (in here) it appears that we bought USA, UK, France, Germany, Japan, Italy etc.
I am wondering how many trillions we spent to reach this state- The Independence.
whatever! go to Kosova is independant and is booming despite the current economical climate.
Serbia on the other hand is declining in the biggest gdp drop, this might have something to do with the Serb goverment being to busy planing propaganda on a lost cause rather then actualy looking at the real picture.
>> "As Serbia will never give up a part of its territory and EU cannot make any conditions since Spain Romania Greece Cyprus will never change their stance. Albans will have to accept autonomy."
Simple right? Serbia says now so the entire EU will bow to her. Oh wait, Serbia said no so Kosova declared independence and 22/27 EU members have recognized it. Only Spain and Cyrpus might hold on till the end, write Greece, Romania and Sllovakia off. EU might not be able to make demands, but Italy, Germany, UK, France and other nations that have recognized Kosova and that run EU will. All they have to do is tell Serbia that Albania will be admitted before them will work magic.
I do not think is worthy to take any notice of cheap talk from the Serbian panel in here. All they stand for is denial, obstruction, misinforming. NOTHING CAN STOP THE USTOPPABLE!
What goes around comes around. That is called Karma. Serbia has truth and justice on its side, and will come out of this smelling like a rose.
(Dragan, 18 March 2009 20:13
Agree, Serbia has a truth of killing 12000 people, burning of 250.000 houses and deporting over 800.000 civilians from Kosova.Yes buddy this is the truth of Serbia
If it's not political arm twisting or blackmail by the Western politicians where feasible, then it's bribery with human trafficking, organ harvesting and heroin pushing money. Or was that alleged $2,000,000 from the US/EU tax payers pockets? In any event it's immoral, disgusting, illegal, and very embrassing, especially when the Western politicians and Albanians so proudly brag with their forced and bought recognitions as if all of those countries were waiting, pushing, and fighting each other in a line to be the first to recognize. It,s like bragging with a forced and bought marriage in which nothing real or lasting can be expected to develope and thrive. For those that choose to live in illusions--Truth and reality are their biggest strangers and enemies.
This is a joke.... it goes to show that no matter what recognitions are VERY reversible. Simply put eventually this little joke will end. As Serbia will never give up a part of its territory and EU cannot make any conditions since Spain Romania Greece Cyprus will never change their stance. Albans will have to accept autonomy.
"According to the media in this predominantly Muslim island nation in the Indian Ocean, which recognized Kosovo Albanians' unilateral independence declaration last month, the government officials, including foreign minister Ahmed Shaheed, had accepted a bribe from Behgjet Pacolli, who heads a Kosovo Albanian opposition party."
Basically, if you have an other 2 million, you can say three magic words:
"baksheesh, shaheeb Shaheed"
and the "predominantly Muslim nation" will convert to cult of human organ-devouring Aztec "bird-serpent", apologies, "pigeon-snake" god Quetzalcoatl.
The original, Maldives article is here http://www.minivannews.com/news_detail.php?id=6125
Just in case this article gets accused of propaganda.
Its sad, because recognitions were bought. And once this comes to light more, Serbia should employ PR for this. Even small island states many don't know exist don't want to be associated with corruption.
Just to add, Hugo Chávez has recently stated that Hashim Tachi is a ''terrorist'' employed by American administration.
Venezuela is on a different continent and seems more in tune with our politics than some politicians in Serbia.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. What made the Czechs recognize? How about Poland? How about Portugal? What kind of shady deals and promises were made to their governement figures? We all know the pressure was huge on these countries from the imperialists. There needs to be further investigations to delve into this. This is a scandal of enormous proportions.
Now that these imperialists are bankrupt, and will not be able to bribe the world any more, we will start to see more and more justice, and less and less corruption.
What goes around comes around. That is called Karma. Serbia has truth and justice on its side, and will come out of this smelling like a rose.
I would really love if Maldives withdraws their recognition. If a Serb can cause a country to launch such an investigation Kosova should refuse such recognition. T
$2 Million - that's dirt cheap for a vote. having said that , the Maldives is a tiny place with a tiny population and is dirt poor. that's going to be a lot of money to someone based there.
it's more likely that they succumbed to US pressure instead. 80% of the maldives is less than 1 metre above sea level. it's gonna cost a hell of a lot of money to shore up those islands. if sea levels rise as predicted, all the maldives will be under water in 20 years.
the US probably promised technical and financial aid to stop flooding. it's peanuts to the US but a dsperate lifeline to the maldives - and someone might have been opportunistic and pocketed a free $2 million that was floating about. the investigation will be more about why the money wasn't split more evenly than it was, other than that, the investigation will "prove" there was no bribe.
It reminds me the report of the audit commission on the costs of the Iraq war.Some $12 billion went missing and a huge part of this went to bribe the leaders of the coalition of the willing.
The maldives bribe is not the first and is not going to be the last one.
God bless USA.
"According to the media in this predominantly Muslim island nation in the Indian Ocean, which recognized Kosovo Albanians' unilateral independence declaration last month, the government officials, including foreign minister Ahmed Shaheed, had accepted a bribe from Behgjet Pacolli, who heads a Kosovo Albanian opposition party."
Where did Behgjet Pacolli get the money, lets follow the paper trail and see who else needs to be prosecuted. Does anyone think Eulux will do this or is law and order only an eventual goal for Eulux.
The for a Eulux Serbia Government also may have some explaining to do
This is just the tip of the iceberg. What made the Czechs recognize? How about Poland? How about Portugal? What kind of shady deals and promises were made to their governement figures? We all know the pressure was huge on these countries from the imperialists. There needs to be further investigations to delve into this. This is a scandal of enormous proportions.
Now that these imperialists are bankrupt, and will not be able to bribe the world any more, we will start to see more and more justice, and less and less corruption.
What goes around comes around. That is called Karma. Serbia has truth and justice on its side, and will come out of this smelling like a rose.
"According to the media in this predominantly Muslim island nation in the Indian Ocean, which recognized Kosovo Albanians' unilateral independence declaration last month, the government officials, including foreign minister Ahmed Shaheed, had accepted a bribe from Behgjet Pacolli, who heads a Kosovo Albanian opposition party."
This is a joke.... it goes to show that no matter what recognitions are VERY reversible. Simply put eventually this little joke will end. As Serbia will never give up a part of its territory and EU cannot make any conditions since Spain Romania Greece Cyprus will never change their stance. Albans will have to accept autonomy.
The original, Maldives article is here http://www.minivannews.com/news_detail.php?id=6125
Just in case this article gets accused of propaganda.
Its sad, because recognitions were bought. And once this comes to light more, Serbia should employ PR for this. Even small island states many don't know exist don't want to be associated with corruption.
Just to add, Hugo Chávez has recently stated that Hashim Tachi is a ''terrorist'' employed by American administration.
Venezuela is on a different continent and seems more in tune with our politics than some politicians in Serbia.
$2 Million - that's dirt cheap for a vote. having said that , the Maldives is a tiny place with a tiny population and is dirt poor. that's going to be a lot of money to someone based there.
it's more likely that they succumbed to US pressure instead. 80% of the maldives is less than 1 metre above sea level. it's gonna cost a hell of a lot of money to shore up those islands. if sea levels rise as predicted, all the maldives will be under water in 20 years.
the US probably promised technical and financial aid to stop flooding. it's peanuts to the US but a dsperate lifeline to the maldives - and someone might have been opportunistic and pocketed a free $2 million that was floating about. the investigation will be more about why the money wasn't split more evenly than it was, other than that, the investigation will "prove" there was no bribe.
If it's not political arm twisting or blackmail by the Western politicians where feasible, then it's bribery with human trafficking, organ harvesting and heroin pushing money. Or was that alleged $2,000,000 from the US/EU tax payers pockets? In any event it's immoral, disgusting, illegal, and very embrassing, especially when the Western politicians and Albanians so proudly brag with their forced and bought recognitions as if all of those countries were waiting, pushing, and fighting each other in a line to be the first to recognize. It,s like bragging with a forced and bought marriage in which nothing real or lasting can be expected to develope and thrive. For those that choose to live in illusions--Truth and reality are their biggest strangers and enemies.
It reminds me the report of the audit commission on the costs of the Iraq war.Some $12 billion went missing and a huge part of this went to bribe the leaders of the coalition of the willing.
The maldives bribe is not the first and is not going to be the last one.
God bless USA.
Where did Behgjet Pacolli get the money, lets follow the paper trail and see who else needs to be prosecuted. Does anyone think Eulux will do this or is law and order only an eventual goal for Eulux.
The for a Eulux Serbia Government also may have some explaining to do
"Agree, Serbia has a truth of killing 12000 people, burning of 250.000 houses and deporting over 800.000 civilians from Kosova.Yes buddy this is the truth of Serbia
(Tonito, 18 March 2009 21:01)"
You can tell when people are not telling the truth about these things is when the numbers keep changing.
Nehat, Serbia's GDP isn't dropping. The most recent figures published show it is growing. It is exepcted to grow by 0.5% this year despite the recession.
The only thing booming in Kosovo are bombs http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=03&dd=18&nav_id=57909
Agree, Serbia has a truth of killing 12000 people, burning of 250.000 houses and deporting over 800.000 civilians from Kosova.Yes buddy this is the truth of Serbia
(Tonito, 18 March 2009 21:01)
Oh for God's sake, stop beating that dead horse will you.
Nothing new. We've been hearing this for a decade now. It's time the world knew the whole truth, not just your truth.
The world has hear your version over and over, but what the world is waiting to hear is the complete truth which involved Serbian victims and Albanian criminals.
On a different note, all this bribery must've left America's purse a little empty.
I would really love if Maldives withdraws their recognition. If a Serb can cause a country to launch such an investigation Kosova should refuse such recognition. T
"According to the media in this predominantly Muslim island nation in the Indian Ocean, which recognized Kosovo Albanians' unilateral independence declaration last month, the government officials, including foreign minister Ahmed Shaheed, had accepted a bribe from Behgjet Pacolli, who heads a Kosovo Albanian opposition party."
Basically, if you have an other 2 million, you can say three magic words:
"baksheesh, shaheeb Shaheed"
and the "predominantly Muslim nation" will convert to cult of human organ-devouring Aztec "bird-serpent", apologies, "pigeon-snake" god Quetzalcoatl.
What goes around comes around. That is called Karma. Serbia has truth and justice on its side, and will come out of this smelling like a rose.
(Dragan, 18 March 2009 20:13
Agree, Serbia has a truth of killing 12000 people, burning of 250.000 houses and deporting over 800.000 civilians from Kosova.Yes buddy this is the truth of Serbia
I am glad to know that Kosovo is so rich that can buy its independence. According to some peoples logic (in here) it appears that we bought USA, UK, France, Germany, Japan, Italy etc.
I am wondering how many trillions we spent to reach this state- The Independence.
I dont think you understand. The rule of law must be fair and transparent and equal to all. You cannot buy favours, i.e. bribes.
While Serbia is relying on the application of the rule of law, the irredentist Albanian lobby are instead resorting to bribery. I'm sure the ICJ is taking note of the Albanian tactics.
whatever! go to Kosova is independant and is booming despite the current economical climate.
Serbia on the other hand is declining in the biggest gdp drop, this might have something to do with the Serb goverment being to busy planing propaganda on a lost cause rather then actualy looking at the real picture.
I suppose this explains why there are all these unknown little island states recognizing Kosovo these past few months. Someone is simply buying their vote!
So much for justice, international law and what is right/wrong. Money talks! Thankfully, I doubt that China, Russia and Spain will set a price that anyone will be able to afford. It would be no surprize if more such scandals were to surface.
> According to the media ... the government officials, including foreign minister Ahmed Shaheed, had accepted a bribe from Behgjet Pacolli, who heads a Kosovo Albanian opposition party.
This the same guy that was charged with "money laundering and criminal association" by the swiss (Carla del Ponte no less) back in 2000?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/jun/28/russia
The same guy mentioned in relation to the bribery allegations against Marti Ahtisaari in 2007?
http://alanpetersnewsbriefs.blogspot.com/2007/07/details-of-bribing-of-un-special-envoy.html
EA:
> I do not think is worthy to take any notice of cheap talk from the Serbian panel in here.
Funny - thought this was a serb website.
> All they stand for is denial, obstruction, misinforming.
Pot calling the kettle black.
> NOTHING CAN STOP THE USTOPPABLE!
Whats a ustoppable? Something that stops & does a U-turn?
This is very interesting. And I am not surprised Pacolli is involved in this too. After all it was Pacolli who was involved in the alleged bribery of Ahtisaari two years ago in connection with the so called Ahtisaari-plan.
if not of this was true then why are the albanian posters creating a firestorm of blaming the US and everyone else except Mr Pacolli who was at the Arab League meeting. There is always 1 finger pointed and but 4 fingers are point right back at the source. I don't think there will be anymore countries stepping up due to this bribery charge in the near future.
#3. Do you seriously mean to suggest that the Serbian Government in some way is involved in this alleged bribery? Your comment along with the comment later about Thaci and Co should use all means, legal and illegal only serves to encourage more people to consider the UDI to be both illegal and immoral. Serb posters here should rejoice at such inane comments. Who needs PR when you have posters like these? I sincerely hope that the UK government have not been involved in any activity like the allegations made here. If true it is shameful and should serve to inform the legal process currently underway to investigate the legality of the UDI. Maybe, just maybe some justice will at last be seen to be done as a result. We can live in hope of that, surely?
This is what I like about this site. When Maldives recognized Kosovo, how many posters jumped at the chance to point out what a tiny insignificant country this was and that it was only because of their puppet status. Its recognition was meaningless.
Now with the hint of a scandal, it suddenly is the most important country in the world, and the remote possibility that the recognition could be reversed has people acting like Pavlov's dogs.
albanians are going to go broke from bribing these little places of 500,000 people and they still wont have kosovo as independent since the biggest and most of the world says no so it seems like the americans bribed a few but cant now and now the albanians will ,make their people totally broke just to get a couple of little places with 500,000 people. in other words the albanian so called government is going to starve their people to death just to get a few little places.
I do not think is worthy to take any notice of cheap talk from the Serbian panel in here. All they stand for is denial, obstruction, misinforming. NOTHING CAN STOP THE USTOPPABLE!
>> "As Serbia will never give up a part of its territory and EU cannot make any conditions since Spain Romania Greece Cyprus will never change their stance. Albans will have to accept autonomy."
Simple right? Serbia says now so the entire EU will bow to her. Oh wait, Serbia said no so Kosova declared independence and 22/27 EU members have recognized it. Only Spain and Cyrpus might hold on till the end, write Greece, Romania and Sllovakia off. EU might not be able to make demands, but Italy, Germany, UK, France and other nations that have recognized Kosova and that run EU will. All they have to do is tell Serbia that Albania will be admitted before them will work magic.
Let us assume that this happened though I doubt it did.
Three valid (well, my opinion) points need to be raised:
1. All the countries that have or have not recognised Kosovo so far have their personal reasons for doing so (apart from Albania and possibly Russia where the support might be genuine). None of them has acted the way they have (pro or con) in order to preserve the international law solely in one way or another. If the pro-Serbian commentators believe that India support Serbia’s cause because it wants to preserve the law you are kidding yourself. The simple answer to that is, Kashmir. Each EU country that has not recognised Kosovo (and many world countries) yet has its own Kashmir. Look at Greece and Cameria! The EU countries that don’t have their Kashmir’s have acted already.
2. If Serbia knew that this was taking place and knew that the Maldives vote “was” on offer to the highest bidder, why didn’t Serbia up the stakes (offer 1 USD more and you win the bid – learn from EBay)? I guess that it must be an embarrassment when an individual outbids a state!! Don’t you have millionaires in Serbia that call themselves patriots?
3. I thought that Maldives was a tiny place that nobody knew about (at least this is how it was portrayed when they recognised Kosovo) and its vote meant nothing. Just suddenly the vote seems to be of a high value!!!
Firstable, the report of bribery for recognition is false. It's quite laughable actually.
However, if bribing does work, why not do it? Who cares about morality? This is a struggle to survive.
The first lesson of international relations is that states will do anything (lawful, or even unlawful under the table) to have things done their way.
I suppose bribery is another option. Good job Kosovo for utilizing everything in their power.
And great news that we expect 3 more countries to recognize the world's newest nation by the end of this month. I'll toast a glass of red wine three times in appreciation.
3. I thought that Maldives was a tiny place that nobody knew about (at least this is how it was portrayed when they recognised Kosovo) and its vote meant nothing. Just suddenly the vote seems to be of a high value!!!
(blero, 19 March 2009 15:33)
No Blero, Maldive vote is not of high value but bribery and corruption are serious matters. That's why there is an investigation into this.
"Only countries that are bullied by Russia are stil afraid to accept us, but we are headed on the right direction.
There is no going back, Kosova is independent and will remain so."
(afrim hoxha, 19 March 2009 17:04)
I didn't know that Russia can bully 2/3 of the world.
You can't honestly belive what you have written.
Thaci's diplomatic offensive! LOL. Are there any other islands out there to bribe? But seriously, a strong diplomatic effort by the worlds newest state. A victory is a victory.
" Kosovo is full with graves of Kosovo Albanian civilians (men, women and children) as a result of the infamous Serbia rule of law.
(blero, 20 March 2009 01:33)"
And let's not forget all of the K-albanian civilians killed by the KLA & NATO.
And of course let's not forget the K-Serb civilians & other minorities (men, women & children) killed by the KLA & NATO - many of which were killed by K-albanians after the war ended.
And then of course, let's not forget the more recent systematic & orchestrated pogrom against K-serb civilians & other minorities in 2004 by tens of thousands of K-albanians across the entire province.
By all means 'blero', let's not forget both Milosevic's rule of law then, & K-albanian rule of law since.
"Still arguing on this issue?
It is called LOBBYING, nothing more.
(AO KS, 20 March 2009 23:13) "
No, if the allegations are correct, then its called bribery. In that event, only those who have no respect for the rule of law would call it 'LOBBYING'.
why serbs are jelouse what we do, becouse we have people who pay money for Kosova, and we have support of most Strongest States of this World staring from USA etc.
Serbs would wish to have support like we do, but unfortinantly they dont.
Soon we gonna buy UN and Russia, just wait a little.
So we dont mind to give all money for supporting our State Kosova.
Please Niall, just tell me if you actually believe what you have just written!!!
Saying that Serbia is relying on the application of the rule of law is laughable.
Please Niall, try to sell these to the tourists not to people that know first hand the implementation of the Serbian “rule of law”.
Kosovo is full with graves of Kosovo Albanian civilians (men, women and children) as a result of the infamous Serbia rule of law.
This Pacolli man was not an KLA or anything like that,he is worth couple $ billion and he made his money
in a dirty busines.
he bribed serbian politiccians as well but they were to cheep to buy and thats why no one is talking in your side yet.
if there is a contry recognizing Kosova like USA CANADA AUSTRALIA they are each biger than whole EUROPE you say Kosova is muslim country you shouldnt do that,in the other hand when country like MALDIVES recognised Kosova you serbs say this is an Island,Kosovars are not muslims,they bribed you etc.
The investigation is still going on, nobody knows for sure. It seems that there is too much judgment and prediction but no actual facts. So, why not wait what the investigation will say.
Pacolli has enough money to do something like that but its uncertain why he would do that, or even if he did that.
This news appeared several weeks ago (if not mistaken) and subsequently I saw Pacolli in an interview where he explained that he and “his team” (as he says) are lobbying for a long time in many countries, especially in the Muslim ones (where Maldives fall) and in his interview he added that Maldives recognition has come as a result of this lobbying and not bribery. Now it is everyone’s right to doubt this, but until proven by a court it will only remain as such – an allegation, a doubt. I’m sure you all understand this quite well. And it is quite strange to see that the pro Serbian posters believe that this recognition was bought, what is only an allegation, while on the other hand they say that the number of the assassination, burned houses, and all the damage done to the Kosovo Albanian people is much lower than the proven figures. Maybe this is something we bought too. This is pathetic.
This is an absolutely fat lie. Kosovo would never give 2 million $ to a country to accept us.
We give the facts and show the reality on the ground and countries accept us.
Only countries that are bullied by Russia are stil afraid to accept us, but we are headed on the right direction.
There is no going back, Kosova is independent and will remain so.
What goes around comes around. That is called Karma. Serbia has truth and justice on its side, and will come out of this smelling like a rose.
(Dragan, 18 March 2009 20:13
Agree, Serbia has a truth of killing 12000 people, burning of 250.000 houses and deporting over 800.000 civilians from Kosova.Yes buddy this is the truth of Serbia
Firstable, the report of bribery for recognition is false. It's quite laughable actually.
However, if bribing does work, why not do it? Who cares about morality? This is a struggle to survive.
The first lesson of international relations is that states will do anything (lawful, or even unlawful under the table) to have things done their way.
I suppose bribery is another option. Good job Kosovo for utilizing everything in their power.
And great news that we expect 3 more countries to recognize the world's newest nation by the end of this month. I'll toast a glass of red wine three times in appreciation.
I do not think is worthy to take any notice of cheap talk from the Serbian panel in here. All they stand for is denial, obstruction, misinforming. NOTHING CAN STOP THE USTOPPABLE!
>> "As Serbia will never give up a part of its territory and EU cannot make any conditions since Spain Romania Greece Cyprus will never change their stance. Albans will have to accept autonomy."
Simple right? Serbia says now so the entire EU will bow to her. Oh wait, Serbia said no so Kosova declared independence and 22/27 EU members have recognized it. Only Spain and Cyrpus might hold on till the end, write Greece, Romania and Sllovakia off. EU might not be able to make demands, but Italy, Germany, UK, France and other nations that have recognized Kosova and that run EU will. All they have to do is tell Serbia that Albania will be admitted before them will work magic.
whatever! go to Kosova is independant and is booming despite the current economical climate.
Serbia on the other hand is declining in the biggest gdp drop, this might have something to do with the Serb goverment being to busy planing propaganda on a lost cause rather then actualy looking at the real picture.
I am glad to know that Kosovo is so rich that can buy its independence. According to some peoples logic (in here) it appears that we bought USA, UK, France, Germany, Japan, Italy etc.
I am wondering how many trillions we spent to reach this state- The Independence.
why serbs are jelouse what we do, becouse we have people who pay money for Kosova, and we have support of most Strongest States of this World staring from USA etc.
Serbs would wish to have support like we do, but unfortinantly they dont.
Soon we gonna buy UN and Russia, just wait a little.
So we dont mind to give all money for supporting our State Kosova.
This is what I like about this site. When Maldives recognized Kosovo, how many posters jumped at the chance to point out what a tiny insignificant country this was and that it was only because of their puppet status. Its recognition was meaningless.
Now with the hint of a scandal, it suddenly is the most important country in the world, and the remote possibility that the recognition could be reversed has people acting like Pavlov's dogs.
Agree, Serbia has a truth of killing 12000 people, burning of 250.000 houses and deporting over 800.000 civilians from Kosova.Yes buddy this is the truth of Serbia
(Tonito, 18 March 2009 21:01)
Oh for God's sake, stop beating that dead horse will you.
Nothing new. We've been hearing this for a decade now. It's time the world knew the whole truth, not just your truth.
The world has hear your version over and over, but what the world is waiting to hear is the complete truth which involved Serbian victims and Albanian criminals.
On a different note, all this bribery must've left America's purse a little empty.
Where did Behgjet Pacolli get the money, lets follow the paper trail and see who else needs to be prosecuted. Does anyone think Eulux will do this or is law and order only an eventual goal for Eulux.
The for a Eulux Serbia Government also may have some explaining to do
"According to the media in this predominantly Muslim island nation in the Indian Ocean, which recognized Kosovo Albanians' unilateral independence declaration last month, the government officials, including foreign minister Ahmed Shaheed, had accepted a bribe from Behgjet Pacolli, who heads a Kosovo Albanian opposition party."
This is an absolutely fat lie. Kosovo would never give 2 million $ to a country to accept us.
We give the facts and show the reality on the ground and countries accept us.
Only countries that are bullied by Russia are stil afraid to accept us, but we are headed on the right direction.
There is no going back, Kosova is independent and will remain so.
This news appeared several weeks ago (if not mistaken) and subsequently I saw Pacolli in an interview where he explained that he and “his team” (as he says) are lobbying for a long time in many countries, especially in the Muslim ones (where Maldives fall) and in his interview he added that Maldives recognition has come as a result of this lobbying and not bribery. Now it is everyone’s right to doubt this, but until proven by a court it will only remain as such – an allegation, a doubt. I’m sure you all understand this quite well. And it is quite strange to see that the pro Serbian posters believe that this recognition was bought, what is only an allegation, while on the other hand they say that the number of the assassination, burned houses, and all the damage done to the Kosovo Albanian people is much lower than the proven figures. Maybe this is something we bought too. This is pathetic.
Let us assume that this happened though I doubt it did.
Three valid (well, my opinion) points need to be raised:
1. All the countries that have or have not recognised Kosovo so far have their personal reasons for doing so (apart from Albania and possibly Russia where the support might be genuine). None of them has acted the way they have (pro or con) in order to preserve the international law solely in one way or another. If the pro-Serbian commentators believe that India support Serbia’s cause because it wants to preserve the law you are kidding yourself. The simple answer to that is, Kashmir. Each EU country that has not recognised Kosovo (and many world countries) yet has its own Kashmir. Look at Greece and Cameria! The EU countries that don’t have their Kashmir’s have acted already.
2. If Serbia knew that this was taking place and knew that the Maldives vote “was” on offer to the highest bidder, why didn’t Serbia up the stakes (offer 1 USD more and you win the bid – learn from EBay)? I guess that it must be an embarrassment when an individual outbids a state!! Don’t you have millionaires in Serbia that call themselves patriots?
3. I thought that Maldives was a tiny place that nobody knew about (at least this is how it was portrayed when they recognised Kosovo) and its vote meant nothing. Just suddenly the vote seems to be of a high value!!!
I would really love if Maldives withdraws their recognition. If a Serb can cause a country to launch such an investigation Kosova should refuse such recognition. T
This Pacolli man was not an KLA or anything like that,he is worth couple $ billion and he made his money
in a dirty busines.
he bribed serbian politiccians as well but they were to cheep to buy and thats why no one is talking in your side yet.
if there is a contry recognizing Kosova like USA CANADA AUSTRALIA they are each biger than whole EUROPE you say Kosova is muslim country you shouldnt do that,in the other hand when country like MALDIVES recognised Kosova you serbs say this is an Island,Kosovars are not muslims,they bribed you etc.
$2 Million - that's dirt cheap for a vote. having said that , the Maldives is a tiny place with a tiny population and is dirt poor. that's going to be a lot of money to someone based there.
it's more likely that they succumbed to US pressure instead. 80% of the maldives is less than 1 metre above sea level. it's gonna cost a hell of a lot of money to shore up those islands. if sea levels rise as predicted, all the maldives will be under water in 20 years.
the US probably promised technical and financial aid to stop flooding. it's peanuts to the US but a dsperate lifeline to the maldives - and someone might have been opportunistic and pocketed a free $2 million that was floating about. the investigation will be more about why the money wasn't split more evenly than it was, other than that, the investigation will "prove" there was no bribe.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. What made the Czechs recognize? How about Poland? How about Portugal? What kind of shady deals and promises were made to their governement figures? We all know the pressure was huge on these countries from the imperialists. There needs to be further investigations to delve into this. This is a scandal of enormous proportions.
Now that these imperialists are bankrupt, and will not be able to bribe the world any more, we will start to see more and more justice, and less and less corruption.
What goes around comes around. That is called Karma. Serbia has truth and justice on its side, and will come out of this smelling like a rose.
"According to the media in this predominantly Muslim island nation in the Indian Ocean, which recognized Kosovo Albanians' unilateral independence declaration last month, the government officials, including foreign minister Ahmed Shaheed, had accepted a bribe from Behgjet Pacolli, who heads a Kosovo Albanian opposition party."
Basically, if you have an other 2 million, you can say three magic words:
"baksheesh, shaheeb Shaheed"
and the "predominantly Muslim nation" will convert to cult of human organ-devouring Aztec "bird-serpent", apologies, "pigeon-snake" god Quetzalcoatl.
The investigation is still going on, nobody knows for sure. It seems that there is too much judgment and prediction but no actual facts. So, why not wait what the investigation will say.
Pacolli has enough money to do something like that but its uncertain why he would do that, or even if he did that.
This is a joke.... it goes to show that no matter what recognitions are VERY reversible. Simply put eventually this little joke will end. As Serbia will never give up a part of its territory and EU cannot make any conditions since Spain Romania Greece Cyprus will never change their stance. Albans will have to accept autonomy.
If it's not political arm twisting or blackmail by the Western politicians where feasible, then it's bribery with human trafficking, organ harvesting and heroin pushing money. Or was that alleged $2,000,000 from the US/EU tax payers pockets? In any event it's immoral, disgusting, illegal, and very embrassing, especially when the Western politicians and Albanians so proudly brag with their forced and bought recognitions as if all of those countries were waiting, pushing, and fighting each other in a line to be the first to recognize. It,s like bragging with a forced and bought marriage in which nothing real or lasting can be expected to develope and thrive. For those that choose to live in illusions--Truth and reality are their biggest strangers and enemies.
"Agree, Serbia has a truth of killing 12000 people, burning of 250.000 houses and deporting over 800.000 civilians from Kosova.Yes buddy this is the truth of Serbia
(Tonito, 18 March 2009 21:01)"
You can tell when people are not telling the truth about these things is when the numbers keep changing.
Nehat, Serbia's GDP isn't dropping. The most recent figures published show it is growing. It is exepcted to grow by 0.5% this year despite the recession.
The only thing booming in Kosovo are bombs http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=03&dd=18&nav_id=57909
The original, Maldives article is here http://www.minivannews.com/news_detail.php?id=6125
Just in case this article gets accused of propaganda.
Its sad, because recognitions were bought. And once this comes to light more, Serbia should employ PR for this. Even small island states many don't know exist don't want to be associated with corruption.
Just to add, Hugo Chávez has recently stated that Hashim Tachi is a ''terrorist'' employed by American administration.
Venezuela is on a different continent and seems more in tune with our politics than some politicians in Serbia.
Please Niall, just tell me if you actually believe what you have just written!!!
Saying that Serbia is relying on the application of the rule of law is laughable.
Please Niall, try to sell these to the tourists not to people that know first hand the implementation of the Serbian “rule of law”.
Kosovo is full with graves of Kosovo Albanian civilians (men, women and children) as a result of the infamous Serbia rule of law.
It reminds me the report of the audit commission on the costs of the Iraq war.Some $12 billion went missing and a huge part of this went to bribe the leaders of the coalition of the willing.
The maldives bribe is not the first and is not going to be the last one.
God bless USA.
3. I thought that Maldives was a tiny place that nobody knew about (at least this is how it was portrayed when they recognised Kosovo) and its vote meant nothing. Just suddenly the vote seems to be of a high value!!!
(blero, 19 March 2009 15:33)
No Blero, Maldive vote is not of high value but bribery and corruption are serious matters. That's why there is an investigation into this.
"Only countries that are bullied by Russia are stil afraid to accept us, but we are headed on the right direction.
There is no going back, Kosova is independent and will remain so."
(afrim hoxha, 19 March 2009 17:04)
I didn't know that Russia can bully 2/3 of the world.
You can't honestly belive what you have written.
I dont think you understand. The rule of law must be fair and transparent and equal to all. You cannot buy favours, i.e. bribes.
While Serbia is relying on the application of the rule of law, the irredentist Albanian lobby are instead resorting to bribery. I'm sure the ICJ is taking note of the Albanian tactics.
I suppose this explains why there are all these unknown little island states recognizing Kosovo these past few months. Someone is simply buying their vote!
So much for justice, international law and what is right/wrong. Money talks! Thankfully, I doubt that China, Russia and Spain will set a price that anyone will be able to afford. It would be no surprize if more such scandals were to surface.
albanians are going to go broke from bribing these little places of 500,000 people and they still wont have kosovo as independent since the biggest and most of the world says no so it seems like the americans bribed a few but cant now and now the albanians will ,make their people totally broke just to get a couple of little places with 500,000 people. in other words the albanian so called government is going to starve their people to death just to get a few little places.
Thaci's diplomatic offensive! LOL. Are there any other islands out there to bribe? But seriously, a strong diplomatic effort by the worlds newest state. A victory is a victory.
if not of this was true then why are the albanian posters creating a firestorm of blaming the US and everyone else except Mr Pacolli who was at the Arab League meeting. There is always 1 finger pointed and but 4 fingers are point right back at the source. I don't think there will be anymore countries stepping up due to this bribery charge in the near future.
#3. Do you seriously mean to suggest that the Serbian Government in some way is involved in this alleged bribery? Your comment along with the comment later about Thaci and Co should use all means, legal and illegal only serves to encourage more people to consider the UDI to be both illegal and immoral. Serb posters here should rejoice at such inane comments. Who needs PR when you have posters like these? I sincerely hope that the UK government have not been involved in any activity like the allegations made here. If true it is shameful and should serve to inform the legal process currently underway to investigate the legality of the UDI. Maybe, just maybe some justice will at last be seen to be done as a result. We can live in hope of that, surely?
> According to the media ... the government officials, including foreign minister Ahmed Shaheed, had accepted a bribe from Behgjet Pacolli, who heads a Kosovo Albanian opposition party.
This the same guy that was charged with "money laundering and criminal association" by the swiss (Carla del Ponte no less) back in 2000?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/jun/28/russia
The same guy mentioned in relation to the bribery allegations against Marti Ahtisaari in 2007?
http://alanpetersnewsbriefs.blogspot.com/2007/07/details-of-bribing-of-un-special-envoy.html
EA:
> I do not think is worthy to take any notice of cheap talk from the Serbian panel in here.
Funny - thought this was a serb website.
> All they stand for is denial, obstruction, misinforming.
Pot calling the kettle black.
> NOTHING CAN STOP THE USTOPPABLE!
Whats a ustoppable? Something that stops & does a U-turn?
This is very interesting. And I am not surprised Pacolli is involved in this too. After all it was Pacolli who was involved in the alleged bribery of Ahtisaari two years ago in connection with the so called Ahtisaari-plan.
" Kosovo is full with graves of Kosovo Albanian civilians (men, women and children) as a result of the infamous Serbia rule of law.
(blero, 20 March 2009 01:33)"
And let's not forget all of the K-albanian civilians killed by the KLA & NATO.
And of course let's not forget the K-Serb civilians & other minorities (men, women & children) killed by the KLA & NATO - many of which were killed by K-albanians after the war ended.
And then of course, let's not forget the more recent systematic & orchestrated pogrom against K-serb civilians & other minorities in 2004 by tens of thousands of K-albanians across the entire province.
By all means 'blero', let's not forget both Milosevic's rule of law then, & K-albanian rule of law since.
"Still arguing on this issue?
It is called LOBBYING, nothing more.
(AO KS, 20 March 2009 23:13) "
No, if the allegations are correct, then its called bribery. In that event, only those who have no respect for the rule of law would call it 'LOBBYING'.
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