Anti-Roma posters at Novi Sad university

The Serbian Neo Fascists are a pathetic bunch of people fed by racism and illogicality.They seem to want to emulate the greatest fascists of all the Ustashe who persecuted Roma and Jew but particualrly the Serbs.
You are a blight on the Serb name.I for one am ashamed of you.
In Britain the Fascist BNP is madeup of crackpots and racists.
When did the Serbs historically picked on others particularly to instigate violence ie before 1991?

You are out of order bganon. Fascists are fascists and not linked to anything else. Being a fascist in itself is being anti-Serbian and all Serbian nationalists are anti-fascists.

What makes you link Obraz to fascism? As far as I can tell, they are nationalists with loyalties to the Orthodox church and in my opinion, if another so-called revolution occurred in Serbia they would support the nationalist just like Otpor supported the sell-outs. You see, Obraz are a threat to this government just like Otpor was to Milosevic. It is not surprising the dictators want them out.

However bganon, the biggest problem here is that B92 are not a neutral media outlet and often censor comments that go against their personal loyalties. So you can call Obraz Fascists but I can't call Otpor Traitors.

So although you can freely express your opinion here and call whoever you like whatever you want simply because your loyalties are the same as B92, I do not have that option because I constantly get censored.

Your tunnel vision is becoming more evident.

These people are a disgrace and as Nik rightly points out, they are so stupid they do not understand they are supporting those that would have Serbs murdered, those that believe that Slavs are inferior.

What is just as bad is the silence from the nationalists in condemning this trash organisation and their sister clero-fascist organisations such as Obraz.

Why is that? Might it be something to do with the realisation that the nationalist right shares similar values to NS?

Its to do with Serb unity? Funny how unity goes out of the window, when it comes to Cedomir Jovanovic or the 'yellows' etc but not a whisper about those that go around beating people advocate the extermination of jews, roma and ostensibly Serbs...

If being patriotic is covering up the sheer ignorant based hatred of the right, then obviously I'm anti patriotic!

While i find this sort of behavior abhorrent and disgusting and while I realize that sentiments such as these only speak to the perversity and ignorance of the person espousing such nonsense it is everyone's right to speak their mind.

In a democracy even idiots and blowhards should be allowed to express their filthy mouths as long as they are not advocating a crime.

These posters in themselves do not constitute so called "hate speak" but i encourage every sensible person who sees posters such as these to remove them and recycle the paper; thereby beautifying the city.

"The youngster in question was murdered on the evening of February 8/9, when he was stabbed in the chest five times by 16-year-old S.V."

Why isn't the Roma who stabbed to death a Serb named? Why only initials for a murderer?

Being a fascist in itself is being anti-Serbian and all Serbian nationalists are anti-fascists.

What makes you link Obraz to fascism? As far as I can tell, they are nationalists with loyalties to the Orthodox church
(ZK, 13 March 2009 18:57)

ZK,

Let's forget Serbia for the moment.

We can agree, "Falanga" was a fascist organization and Franco was a fascist.
We can agree, the guys who set up the large poster in "celebration" of March 15 not far from my home and that poster features Hungary's map embedding 100% of Croatia, 25% of Serbia, 100% of Slovakia and 60% of Romania probably belong to "64 Counties" or similar fascist organizations.

I fail to see a major difference, except the last two being fiercely Catholic, not Orthodox. They are/were nationalists with strong loyalities to Catholic church.

Apropos, Catholic. Not long ago someone (in vain) tried to convince me, the real anti-fascists are from a Slavic nation, they are not fascists, just nationalist, their name means "uprisers" ("ustashe") and all they have is a strong loyalty to Catholic church and their traditions.

Somehow I did not gave in and my carrier as "ustasha" did end before it begun.
But I see certain parallel because from what all they preach only the church seem to be the difference. ;)

Nik,

They are the future Ms. Einsteins and Mr. Teslas. And you probably do not know, there is even a true Nazi/Hitlerist (you know the meaning of "88"?) party in Israel and Russia. They are the pride of their countries and the proof: if you see a moron, there could be always a bigger one around the corner.

Just noticed a fascist poster in Hungary near my home today. That was a map of Hungary including the entire Croatia, entire Slovakia, small part of Bosnia and 1/4 of Serbia. After tomorrow it's March 15, time for remembering March 15 1848, time for celebrate the spring - but unfortunately it's the time for some unholy ghosts to crawl out of dark holes. For me it's the time when people walk with red-white-green cockard and songbirds sing. There are dozens of them singing and jumping in the garden. The entire area became pretty much a "Kosovo polje" right now.

ZK Otpor doesn't exist anymore. And frankly I don't see what the ideals of NS have to do with Otpor.

'All Serbian nationalists are anti fascists' Really ZK, have you met all of them?
Just as I'm sure that on the moderate left of politics in Serbia there are (hidden) communists I'm sure that on the right there are fascists and these clero fascist groups are evidence of that.

Would this be a fair comment 'I'll believe something because I can't be bothered to read up about the facts, and when (or if) I do read up on the facts, it will be selective to justify my previous opinion'.
Does that sound familiar?

What makes me link Obraz to fascism? Do the reading yourself. What makes a brit link the British National Party with fascism?

'Its not surprising the dictators want them out' Do you repeat this before you sleep or something? Who cares what those you call dictators want? Its about the values you support.

Obraz a threat to this government? Now come on thats desperate!

My loyalties - if you are talking about my strict anti fascism, thats true enough.

Quite the contrary, you tell me that you find Serbian unity more important than condemnation of anybody on the right. But on the other hand any activity from those you disagree with then your unity point flies out of the window.
Where is the principle there?
Where is the principle in complimenting Obraz, not being bothered to read about them, criticising B92 for their editorial policy and not being willing to go elsewhere?

Ataman
The ustashes are loyal to the cathloic church everyone knows that, but they are nazi-fasist because they did genocide on 1,000,000 serbs across the NDH in world war 2. so what are the uprising to those ustashes to kill all the serbs and who ever is left force them to convert, buddy USTASHA'S ARE noting more then a shame for the human race

Ataman, I cannot image true Serbian patriots promoting fascism or displaying NAZI symbols. I certainly wouldn't believe what this so-called government or B92 write, spin and say about certain (opposition) groups. I may try to dig a little deeper at some point but I will not just take someone's words for it.

Like I said, Serbians fought against fascism so it's difficult to comprehend that any true Serbian patriot who has a basic understanding of our history would turn into one.

ZK, Cetnik
- I know pretty well, who these "Ustashe" are, don't worry. I also know, where Jasenovac is.

All I wanted to say, that their arguments sound similar. They are of course either complete idiots or scum of the planet (or both).

You are out of order bganon. Fascists are fascists and not linked to anything else. Being a fascist in itself is being anti-Serbian and all Serbian nationalists are anti-fascists.

What makes you link Obraz to fascism? As far as I can tell, they are nationalists with loyalties to the Orthodox church and in my opinion, if another so-called revolution occurred in Serbia they would support the nationalist just like Otpor supported the sell-outs. You see, Obraz are a threat to this government just like Otpor was to Milosevic. It is not surprising the dictators want them out.

However bganon, the biggest problem here is that B92 are not a neutral media outlet and often censor comments that go against their personal loyalties. So you can call Obraz Fascists but I can't call Otpor Traitors.

So although you can freely express your opinion here and call whoever you like whatever you want simply because your loyalties are the same as B92, I do not have that option because I constantly get censored.

Your tunnel vision is becoming more evident.

"The youngster in question was murdered on the evening of February 8/9, when he was stabbed in the chest five times by 16-year-old S.V."

Why isn't the Roma who stabbed to death a Serb named? Why only initials for a murderer?

These people are a disgrace and as Nik rightly points out, they are so stupid they do not understand they are supporting those that would have Serbs murdered, those that believe that Slavs are inferior.

What is just as bad is the silence from the nationalists in condemning this trash organisation and their sister clero-fascist organisations such as Obraz.

Why is that? Might it be something to do with the realisation that the nationalist right shares similar values to NS?

Its to do with Serb unity? Funny how unity goes out of the window, when it comes to Cedomir Jovanovic or the 'yellows' etc but not a whisper about those that go around beating people advocate the extermination of jews, roma and ostensibly Serbs...

If being patriotic is covering up the sheer ignorant based hatred of the right, then obviously I'm anti patriotic!

Ataman, I cannot image true Serbian patriots promoting fascism or displaying NAZI symbols. I certainly wouldn't believe what this so-called government or B92 write, spin and say about certain (opposition) groups. I may try to dig a little deeper at some point but I will not just take someone's words for it.

Like I said, Serbians fought against fascism so it's difficult to comprehend that any true Serbian patriot who has a basic understanding of our history would turn into one.

ZK Otpor doesn't exist anymore. And frankly I don't see what the ideals of NS have to do with Otpor.

'All Serbian nationalists are anti fascists' Really ZK, have you met all of them?
Just as I'm sure that on the moderate left of politics in Serbia there are (hidden) communists I'm sure that on the right there are fascists and these clero fascist groups are evidence of that.

Would this be a fair comment 'I'll believe something because I can't be bothered to read up about the facts, and when (or if) I do read up on the facts, it will be selective to justify my previous opinion'.
Does that sound familiar?

What makes me link Obraz to fascism? Do the reading yourself. What makes a brit link the British National Party with fascism?

'Its not surprising the dictators want them out' Do you repeat this before you sleep or something? Who cares what those you call dictators want? Its about the values you support.

Obraz a threat to this government? Now come on thats desperate!

My loyalties - if you are talking about my strict anti fascism, thats true enough.

Quite the contrary, you tell me that you find Serbian unity more important than condemnation of anybody on the right. But on the other hand any activity from those you disagree with then your unity point flies out of the window.
Where is the principle there?
Where is the principle in complimenting Obraz, not being bothered to read about them, criticising B92 for their editorial policy and not being willing to go elsewhere?

Being a fascist in itself is being anti-Serbian and all Serbian nationalists are anti-fascists.

What makes you link Obraz to fascism? As far as I can tell, they are nationalists with loyalties to the Orthodox church
(ZK, 13 March 2009 18:57)

ZK,

Let's forget Serbia for the moment.

We can agree, "Falanga" was a fascist organization and Franco was a fascist.
We can agree, the guys who set up the large poster in "celebration" of March 15 not far from my home and that poster features Hungary's map embedding 100% of Croatia, 25% of Serbia, 100% of Slovakia and 60% of Romania probably belong to "64 Counties" or similar fascist organizations.

I fail to see a major difference, except the last two being fiercely Catholic, not Orthodox. They are/were nationalists with strong loyalities to Catholic church.

Apropos, Catholic. Not long ago someone (in vain) tried to convince me, the real anti-fascists are from a Slavic nation, they are not fascists, just nationalist, their name means "uprisers" ("ustashe") and all they have is a strong loyalty to Catholic church and their traditions.

Somehow I did not gave in and my carrier as "ustasha" did end before it begun.
But I see certain parallel because from what all they preach only the church seem to be the difference. ;)

Ataman
The ustashes are loyal to the cathloic church everyone knows that, but they are nazi-fasist because they did genocide on 1,000,000 serbs across the NDH in world war 2. so what are the uprising to those ustashes to kill all the serbs and who ever is left force them to convert, buddy USTASHA'S ARE noting more then a shame for the human race

The Serbian Neo Fascists are a pathetic bunch of people fed by racism and illogicality.They seem to want to emulate the greatest fascists of all the Ustashe who persecuted Roma and Jew but particualrly the Serbs.
You are a blight on the Serb name.I for one am ashamed of you.
In Britain the Fascist BNP is madeup of crackpots and racists.
When did the Serbs historically picked on others particularly to instigate violence ie before 1991?

Nik,

They are the future Ms. Einsteins and Mr. Teslas. And you probably do not know, there is even a true Nazi/Hitlerist (you know the meaning of "88"?) party in Israel and Russia. They are the pride of their countries and the proof: if you see a moron, there could be always a bigger one around the corner.

Just noticed a fascist poster in Hungary near my home today. That was a map of Hungary including the entire Croatia, entire Slovakia, small part of Bosnia and 1/4 of Serbia. After tomorrow it's March 15, time for remembering March 15 1848, time for celebrate the spring - but unfortunately it's the time for some unholy ghosts to crawl out of dark holes. For me it's the time when people walk with red-white-green cockard and songbirds sing. There are dozens of them singing and jumping in the garden. The entire area became pretty much a "Kosovo polje" right now.

While i find this sort of behavior abhorrent and disgusting and while I realize that sentiments such as these only speak to the perversity and ignorance of the person espousing such nonsense it is everyone's right to speak their mind.

In a democracy even idiots and blowhards should be allowed to express their filthy mouths as long as they are not advocating a crime.

These posters in themselves do not constitute so called "hate speak" but i encourage every sensible person who sees posters such as these to remove them and recycle the paper; thereby beautifying the city.

ZK, Cetnik
- I know pretty well, who these "Ustashe" are, don't worry. I also know, where Jasenovac is.

All I wanted to say, that their arguments sound similar. They are of course either complete idiots or scum of the planet (or both).