"KPS fining drivers with Serbian plates"

Kosovo police spokesman Besim Hoti sressed "Under UNMIK regulations, licenses issued by MUP Serbia offices relocated outside Kosovo since 1999 are invalid".
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Good thing these Albanians acknowledge the UN and UNMIK as being the authority in Kosovo. There you have it my dear Albanians, that is the reality.

However, I can see huge protests just over the horizon. The harassment of Serbians by Albanians needs to stop. We need to make the message loud and clear that we want nothing to do with their misguided dreams. We recognise only the Serbian authorities and not some pretenders with links to criminal structures.

Alban: "well, if serbs can drive with serbia car plates inside kosovo, than why I as an citizen of kosovo can not drive with kosovo plates inside serbia."

Because Serbia is a legal state and Kosovo isn't.

well, if serbs can drive with serbia car plates inside kosovo, than why I as an citizen of kosovo can not drive with kosovo plates inside serbia.

Under UNMIK regulations, he stressed, licenses issued by MUP Serbia offices relocated outside Kosovo since 1999 are invalid.

What's the big deal, this province's ethnic Albanian run govt is invalid as well. As far as the recognition process, if this pseudo-state really wants to impress me get India, China, Russia, Spain, Greece or some country that actually has some clout to recognize you. Maldives, Palau, Micronesia, where are these places...I doubt 3/4ths of the ethnic Albanians in the province of KiM have any earthly idea...it would almost be funny if it weren't such a blatant act that trashes international law.

you are in kosovo get the kosovo number plates
simple.it will never work for the serb nation in kosovo days are over many thanks

my dear Alban,
the difference is that the Serbia state does not recognize the state of Kosovo. As a result, any "official" documentation is not recognized either. However, Kosovo's institutions have no option other than to recognize Serbia. Seeing that Serbia is infact an internationally fully recognized nation, that Kosovo ripped itself from the soverign nation of Serbia.

Short of the long is that Serbian officials have the luxury of choosing whether or not to recognize Kosovo, while Kosovo must recognize Serbia. Thusly any and all international plates from internationally recognized states must be recognized as being truely official, but plates from a non-recognized state need not be acceptable.

Frankly I would have thought that this pedestrian logic would have been covered in the "How to annex land through conflict 101", a course that the Kosovar leadership has surely attended.

alban:

Since you don't I will answer that one for you... It is because Kosovo je Srbija!!!

These seemly unending, intentional provocations by the Albanians towards the K-Serbs will only lead to more and more problems for the province. The K-Albanians are playing a dangerous game- the Western countries will NOT be able or willing to interceed anymore because of their economic meltdowns will not allow for it. All of the "cheap rhetoric" by Mrs. Clinton, Obama and others will not save the K-Albanians. And don't the K-Albs find it strange that ALL the names of cities, towns, rivers, mountains, etc. in Kosovo are all SERBIAN NAMES???? So whose land is it REALLY??????

and how should they cash in or arrest?

defend yourself from self-proclaimed policemen, until serbia has a own&patriotic government that will use the current economical and political situatation and liberate the occupied parts of kosovo.

THe irony of all this circus is that while serbia's negotiation with EU reach the final round, countries like germany are feeling uncomfortable because...a lot of albanian have and are entitled to have serbian passport. Germany tries to secure insurance from serbia not to give K alb serbian passport because otherwise 2/3 of the k alb will immigrate there...what a mess, isn't it?

Olf,

Why do you finally get the fact clear that Kosovo is NOT a country?

You are embarrising yourself so much with this 'I don't want to know' attitude.

Serbia and Germany and France are STATES!

Kosovo, Bayern and Corsica are provinces/regions/....

Is this finally clear to everyone?

Then let's continue to the REAL problems of the Balkan.

Thanks in advance!

Now this is rich (no pun intended),

If NJ were to fine every car with a NY, PA, CT, or DE liscence plate that crosses its territory, we'd be one of the richest states in the Union.

What Kosovo is doing is reminiscent of pre-Civil Rights South, where county sherrifs (who double as Klansmen by night) would pull over any out of state (or even out of county) driver for any offence and issue a fine.

A great way to raise money for little Podunk nowhere (hmm, now I'm seeing the similarity). Ingenious.

"you are in kosovo get the kosovo number plates
simple.it will never work for the serb nation in kosovo days are over many thanks"
(steve, 13 March 2009 13:19)

Steve, you are in Kosovo. Kosovo is in Serbia.

Thank you!

It is time to face reality for ALL sides: Kosovo is just a Serbian province ruled by the UN!

"...I do not see any big difference let say between Micronesia and Spain wile they both count at UN. We need just numbers, not any special need for India or Maldives..."

Dear Luan,

You don't need "number".
The only thing you need is SERBIAN SIGNATURE on your so-called "independence".

Without that signature you'll always be pseudo-state, no matter how many nations you'll bribe into recognizing "independent Kosovo".

Think a little bit about that.

“(LMN II, USA, 13 March 2009 13:52)
get India, China, Russia, Spain, Greece or some country that actually has some clout to recognize you. Maldives, Palau, Micronesia, where are these places”

did you know that the major superpower countries such as USA, England, Germany, France, Japan recognized Kosovo. I do not see any big difference let say between Micronesia and Spain wile they both count at UN. We need just numbers, not any special need for India or Maldives. However, I would prefer to go to Maldives rather than to India for holydays.

“(ZK, 13 March 2009 13:15)
Good thing these Albanians acknowledge the UN and UNMIK as being the authority in Kosovo. There you have it my dear Albanians, that is the reality.”

For many years after 1999, until laws of Republic of Kosovo were approved, laws of former Yugoslavia, or Serbia were used. Albanians know that UNMIK was in Kosovo, and of course some rules of UNMIK are still active. I do not understand what you want to say? We of course acknowledge the UN and UNMIK were being the authority in Kosovo and still have some power, which soon will be gone. After last meeting with Jeremic, Zannier did not have a chance to meet Thaci, and looks like is not going to meet anymore, or probably meet couple of times before he and UNMIK definitely live for ever.
I just do not understand why people are such naïve when referring to UNMIK. When UNMIK had a lot of power in Kosovo, Serbia ignored it. Now in the same way is ignoring EULEX. For sure after couple of years they will do for EULEX the same they do now for UNMIK. At that time probably Kosovo will be part of UN.

"Under UNMIK regulations, he stressed, licenses issued by MUP Serbia offices relocated outside Kosovo since 1999 are invalid".

The real question is why all this time UNMIK was not respecting her own regulations???? We hear that electricity was not paid by most of Kosovars now plates, tomorrow what???

UNMIK has done a great job and a lot of inefficiencies. Now it's time you leave.

“ALL the names of cities, towns, rivers, mountains, etc. in Kosovo are all SERBIAN NAMES???? So whose land is it REALLY??????
(Rick, 13 March 2009 15:07)”

Kosovo was ruled by Serbia, so the reason why they have Serbian names is because Serbs worked carefully in this issue because they wanted to say: So whose land is it REALLY??????. I just want to remind you that all places also have had Albanian names, but they were not official because Serbia made rules at that era. Soon you will see these names in new maps of Kosovo.

Tehy are not talking about serbian number plates,instead they punish those having the pre war number plates(they are invalid since 1999) unregistered cars and without insurance.
Any place tolerates that???

Ratko and Kate

in KS plates you can drive anywhere in Europe same as with Serbia proper plates, one exception is Serbia.

Ratko and Kate

in KS plates you can drive anywhere in Europe same as with Serbia proper plates, one exception is Serbia.
(OLf, 13 March 2009 18:06)

100% Wrong. You can't because the international Greencard does say explicitly: "it is valid and is sold for Serbian territory ONLY UNDER CONTROL OF GOVERNMENT WHICH IS LEGALLY SUCCESSOR OF YU".

In other words: if a territory belongs to Serbia, but it is not under control of Belgrade = NO GREEN CARD.

That means: NO WAY for cars with KS plates to enter any country which is in the "Green Card" treaty. That is, all EU + Switzerland + Norway + Iceland + all YU (except KS) + most of CIS + Turkey + Iran + Israel + Marocco + Iraq + Albania.

Kosovo has bilateral agreement with Albania, CG and FYROM, not the rest.

This is the reason you see so many agencies in Kosovo selling "Green Cards". Once you have "Green Card" - you can drive everywhere, EXCEPT Serbia.

Why not Serbia? Because "Green Card" is not valid in OWN COUNTRY. That means, your "Green Card" is a Serbian Green card.

In other words:

K O S O V A E S H T E S E R B I A

If it would be an other country - no problem. Serbs can't drive in Serbia on a Green Card either. I can't drive in USA on my Green Card. At home you always need your domestic insurance.

It is not Serbia's fault, Kosovo insurance companies are Mickey Mouse (sorry: Ali Baba and 40 thieves) companies.

Suggestion: I have no problem, is your name Ali Baba or Aleks Brankovic. BUT GET RID OF 40 THIEVES! Than I am ready to consider your country being a country or somewhat like that. If Serbs agree, of course.

The main reason why Kosovo license plates are not valid in Serbia is the insurance. In theory who has K. license plates should buy "Borderline Insurance" in Serbia. The problem is:

- it is EXPENSIVE and no K-Albanian would buy it
- it is not sold at Merdare or UNMIK Gate#1, it's sold in Presevo or Bijelo Polje only.
- Serbian citizens driving Serbian cars MAYNOT buy that insurance - it is for foreigners only. K-Albanians are not foreigners unless they have non SRB/KS passport.

This is the bureaucracy but it's how it works in EVERY European country.

Ask me, I am driving on USA license plates in the area and there is either a lot of red tape till you get the proper (and cheap) insurance or it will be VERY expensive.

But it works.

No, you POSITIVELY can't drive cars with Indian, Chinese or Argentinian license plates in Serbia unless you buy "borderline insurance". For Americans it works much better out - there is GEICO International (the same guys with "gecko" mascot), they sell insurance valid for Serbia.

ZK,

"I can see huge protests just over the horizon"

I am pleased that you can see "well". The peaceful protests are expression of freedom of manifestation...it shows that Kosova is a country that values the RULE OF LAW...))

"The only thing you need is SERBIAN SIGNATURE on your so-called "independence".

Without that signature you'll always be pseudo-state, no matter how many nations you'll bribe into recognizing "independent Kosovo".

Think a little bit about that."

We thought about it, all we need is a RUSSIAN signature on it, not Serbia's. US will make an agreement with Russia...

Good luck joining EU

Alban: "well, if serbs can drive with serbia car plates inside kosovo, than why I as an citizen of kosovo can not drive with kosovo plates inside serbia."

Because Serbia is a legal state and Kosovo isn't

TO KATE

SO you keep saying, But have you been to Kosova lately, it just doesn't feel its Serbia there anymore now does it.
Legal or not legal, 1244 or Ahtisari,Unmik or Eulex, things are moving on in Kosova but sorry to say not your way. Byegons are byegons in the end we all know wich direction Kosova is moving, and the world will 'guarantee' you not part of Serbia.

I agree with Peggy.

if those criminals start to harrass serbian citizens in their very own land, then either the international forces have to step in, otherwise Serbia should do it.

The time has come that the serbs of Kosova have to live with the reality. They can not deny reality for a long time. They are the citizens of Kosova and have to act as citizens of Kosova since they live in Kosova.
We, the Independent Country of Kosova plan to move on and advance, we are not going to let our country stay poor just because some people are trying to make small deals a big deal. We do not want to get stuck like Serbia with useless unimportant things, we want to progress and move on.
It is enough that Balkans countries got stuck into unimaginable wars and thing that totally destroyed the lives of the innocent people of Balkan countries.
Lets move on, lets not get stuck for some childish disputes.

Something has to be done here. UN does not recognize Kosovo, and being in charge the ultimate solution is in their hands.

If they don't do anything, history will judge them very harshly indeed.
If they don't do their job and protect the Serbs in their own country then Serbia will have to turn to their allies for help. This is the last solution, but unless UN wakes up I'm afraid it will have to be the only solution.

Long before the Serbs occupied the region of (Kosova)that place was called Dardania(100% Albanian population)for those that did not study History the right way.Who does not know their past does not have a future.

...they don´t get tired of repeating old mistakes, it seems.

Loni, ...with all due respect, how about starting to study history the right way?

...simply repeating albanian myths doesn´t help you, actually.

ps: actually it isn´t even an albanian myth, because if being accurate the Illyrians and the socalled region Dardania... do not have anything in common with todays Albanians...

Hawk,

We probably can argue as much as we want - the only result will be to "earn" red ponts with Albanian raters.

They won't believe, but it's indeed somewhat confusing with the plates.

A bit simpler:

1) Look at your plate
2) if it's like the one on the right, you are fine, all you need is to go to your insurance agent and get a green card. Some agencies in UK will issue only cards for EU. In such case: change the agent. Always read the details on your GC!

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1598/plates.jpg

3) If your plate like on the left, you are in trouble. For some reasons the agents in your country cannot provide "Green Card", that means you can drive only to countries which have a special treaty with you.

4) If you want to drive in an other country, you still could be lucky if your country has either a special agent selling "Green Card" like that:

http://www.geico.com/getaquote/overseas

or if you are willing to pay a big premium.

5) Even if your country is in the "Green Card" treaty, you cannot use the "Green Card" in your own country, this is AGAINST THE INTERNATIONAL LAW.

Kosovo is an interesting case because Serbia is PROHIBITED BY LAW to accept "Green Cards" of Kosovo Drivers.

Simply because the big insurance groups think.... What do they think? ;)

That (again):

KOSOVA ESHTE SERBIA. It's not me saying, don't blame me, blame the international community.

The only way to make them to change their mind is to agree with Serbia. And the pre-requisite of that is if Ali Baba will jail the 40 thieves.

Why can you still travel to Albania, CrnaGora, FYROM without GC? Because there is a bilateral agreement. You need either to agree with Serbs in form of a bilateral agreement or you need to agree with international community (possible only with Serbia's help) about the "Green Card".

In other words: you either have to somehow agree with Serbia or to convince GEICO to sell you their European policies tailored at USA citizens. Guess, what is easier. ;)

"If this pseudo-state really wants to impress me..."
LMNII USA were you trying to be humorous or do you really think anyone in Kosovo is trying to impress you.
The US govt has spoken on your behalf, as an American citizen (?), your are still allowed to speak your opinion, but that is all it is "your opinion" and means nothing else.

Peggy,
Lets analyze your statement. It is a UN directive that the police are following. Russia (your ally) has continually voted to keep the UN in charge of Kosovo out of Serbia's hands.
so you think now Russia is going to declare war on the UN or the whole world for Serbia?
Any Serbian forces that move into Kosovo will be met by UN mandated NATO, supported by Russia's continual vote.

Peggy,
Thank you for including me in the Albanian population!
But you are as wrong about that as you could possibly be if you think China, India, Greece or anyone else is going to go to war for Serbia.
They have their reasons for not supporting Kosovo Independence but I sincerely doubt it is any special interest in Serbia.

you are in kosovo get the kosovo number plates
simple.it will never work for the serb nation in kosovo days are over many thanks
(steve, 13 March 2009 13:19
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Very well said steve.
Nothing more to say here.

Rocky, steve, Kosovo and Metohia is Serbia and we will never accept rules of that illegal state.

Doodah, why do you Albanians ALWAYS cite this "whole world" rubbish all the time?

When are you going to get it through your head that the whole world is NOT on your side but only 1/3 and most of them reluctantly.

Russia does not have to declare war on the whole world or any part of the world. Serbia's allies are more than Russia but you conveniently forget that. Do you people have India, China or Greece or a vast number of other countries in your pocket or even willing to acknowledge you?

So don't think you are going to be allowed to put Serbs to this torture forever.

Because Serbia is a legal state and Kosovo isn't
(Dulo, 14 March 2009 03:21)

I am not disputing it, but not that is the reason. A green card issued in Kosovo is valid in Russia, but is not valid in Serbia.

Because Russia is not their (K-Albania) home country, but Serbia is. The Green Card is never valid in your home country, only outside of it.

Peggy,
Thank you for including me in the Albanian population!
But you are as wrong about that as you could possibly be if you think China, India, Greece or anyone else is going to go to war for Serbia.
They have their reasons for not supporting Kosovo Independence but I sincerely doubt it is any special interest in Serbia.
(doodah, 15 March 2009 02:54)

First of all, why are you talking about a war?
Do you think that US is going to go to war for Albanians?
There is more than one way to skin a cat you know.

You seem so happy to announce that the reason China, India and Greece have for not recognizing Kosovo is not connected to any friendship with Serbs, but the same goes for the US.
No love there for the Albanians, only interests. So do get of your high horse here and let's get real.

World is changing all the time and unfortunately for Albanians, the Americans don't have the stomach for more conflict. Obama would have to work very hard indeed to sell the Americans another war, because belive me this is the only way to force Serbia to give Kosovo away.
So this leaves diplomacy and negotiations.
Sooner or later, Albanians will have to negotiate instead of waste time like before.

So far with all the billions wasted, America hasn't won any war yet. Iraq is a bottomless pit and so is Afghanistan. I think America will want to sort this out peacefully so no, China, India and Russia will not be needed to enter a conflict, only put their support behind Serbia for whatever reason they like.

you are in kosovo get the kosovo number plates
simple.it will never work for the serb nation in kosovo days are over many thanks

well, if serbs can drive with serbia car plates inside kosovo, than why I as an citizen of kosovo can not drive with kosovo plates inside serbia.

Alban: "well, if serbs can drive with serbia car plates inside kosovo, than why I as an citizen of kosovo can not drive with kosovo plates inside serbia."

Because Serbia is a legal state and Kosovo isn't.

alban:

Since you don't I will answer that one for you... It is because Kosovo je Srbija!!!

Kosovo police spokesman Besim Hoti sressed "Under UNMIK regulations, licenses issued by MUP Serbia offices relocated outside Kosovo since 1999 are invalid".
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Good thing these Albanians acknowledge the UN and UNMIK as being the authority in Kosovo. There you have it my dear Albanians, that is the reality.

However, I can see huge protests just over the horizon. The harassment of Serbians by Albanians needs to stop. We need to make the message loud and clear that we want nothing to do with their misguided dreams. We recognise only the Serbian authorities and not some pretenders with links to criminal structures.

Under UNMIK regulations, he stressed, licenses issued by MUP Serbia offices relocated outside Kosovo since 1999 are invalid.

What's the big deal, this province's ethnic Albanian run govt is invalid as well. As far as the recognition process, if this pseudo-state really wants to impress me get India, China, Russia, Spain, Greece or some country that actually has some clout to recognize you. Maldives, Palau, Micronesia, where are these places...I doubt 3/4ths of the ethnic Albanians in the province of KiM have any earthly idea...it would almost be funny if it weren't such a blatant act that trashes international law.

“(LMN II, USA, 13 March 2009 13:52)
get India, China, Russia, Spain, Greece or some country that actually has some clout to recognize you. Maldives, Palau, Micronesia, where are these places”

did you know that the major superpower countries such as USA, England, Germany, France, Japan recognized Kosovo. I do not see any big difference let say between Micronesia and Spain wile they both count at UN. We need just numbers, not any special need for India or Maldives. However, I would prefer to go to Maldives rather than to India for holydays.

“(ZK, 13 March 2009 13:15)
Good thing these Albanians acknowledge the UN and UNMIK as being the authority in Kosovo. There you have it my dear Albanians, that is the reality.”

For many years after 1999, until laws of Republic of Kosovo were approved, laws of former Yugoslavia, or Serbia were used. Albanians know that UNMIK was in Kosovo, and of course some rules of UNMIK are still active. I do not understand what you want to say? We of course acknowledge the UN and UNMIK were being the authority in Kosovo and still have some power, which soon will be gone. After last meeting with Jeremic, Zannier did not have a chance to meet Thaci, and looks like is not going to meet anymore, or probably meet couple of times before he and UNMIK definitely live for ever.
I just do not understand why people are such naïve when referring to UNMIK. When UNMIK had a lot of power in Kosovo, Serbia ignored it. Now in the same way is ignoring EULEX. For sure after couple of years they will do for EULEX the same they do now for UNMIK. At that time probably Kosovo will be part of UN.

“ALL the names of cities, towns, rivers, mountains, etc. in Kosovo are all SERBIAN NAMES???? So whose land is it REALLY??????
(Rick, 13 March 2009 15:07)”

Kosovo was ruled by Serbia, so the reason why they have Serbian names is because Serbs worked carefully in this issue because they wanted to say: So whose land is it REALLY??????. I just want to remind you that all places also have had Albanian names, but they were not official because Serbia made rules at that era. Soon you will see these names in new maps of Kosovo.

my dear Alban,
the difference is that the Serbia state does not recognize the state of Kosovo. As a result, any "official" documentation is not recognized either. However, Kosovo's institutions have no option other than to recognize Serbia. Seeing that Serbia is infact an internationally fully recognized nation, that Kosovo ripped itself from the soverign nation of Serbia.

Short of the long is that Serbian officials have the luxury of choosing whether or not to recognize Kosovo, while Kosovo must recognize Serbia. Thusly any and all international plates from internationally recognized states must be recognized as being truely official, but plates from a non-recognized state need not be acceptable.

Frankly I would have thought that this pedestrian logic would have been covered in the "How to annex land through conflict 101", a course that the Kosovar leadership has surely attended.

These seemly unending, intentional provocations by the Albanians towards the K-Serbs will only lead to more and more problems for the province. The K-Albanians are playing a dangerous game- the Western countries will NOT be able or willing to interceed anymore because of their economic meltdowns will not allow for it. All of the "cheap rhetoric" by Mrs. Clinton, Obama and others will not save the K-Albanians. And don't the K-Albs find it strange that ALL the names of cities, towns, rivers, mountains, etc. in Kosovo are all SERBIAN NAMES???? So whose land is it REALLY??????

"you are in kosovo get the kosovo number plates
simple.it will never work for the serb nation in kosovo days are over many thanks"
(steve, 13 March 2009 13:19)

Steve, you are in Kosovo. Kosovo is in Serbia.

Thank you!

It is time to face reality for ALL sides: Kosovo is just a Serbian province ruled by the UN!

and how should they cash in or arrest?

defend yourself from self-proclaimed policemen, until serbia has a own&patriotic government that will use the current economical and political situatation and liberate the occupied parts of kosovo.

"Under UNMIK regulations, he stressed, licenses issued by MUP Serbia offices relocated outside Kosovo since 1999 are invalid".

The real question is why all this time UNMIK was not respecting her own regulations???? We hear that electricity was not paid by most of Kosovars now plates, tomorrow what???

UNMIK has done a great job and a lot of inefficiencies. Now it's time you leave.

Ratko and Kate

in KS plates you can drive anywhere in Europe same as with Serbia proper plates, one exception is Serbia.

Olf,

Why do you finally get the fact clear that Kosovo is NOT a country?

You are embarrising yourself so much with this 'I don't want to know' attitude.

Serbia and Germany and France are STATES!

Kosovo, Bayern and Corsica are provinces/regions/....

Is this finally clear to everyone?

Then let's continue to the REAL problems of the Balkan.

Thanks in advance!

Ratko and Kate

in KS plates you can drive anywhere in Europe same as with Serbia proper plates, one exception is Serbia.
(OLf, 13 March 2009 18:06)

100% Wrong. You can't because the international Greencard does say explicitly: "it is valid and is sold for Serbian territory ONLY UNDER CONTROL OF GOVERNMENT WHICH IS LEGALLY SUCCESSOR OF YU".

In other words: if a territory belongs to Serbia, but it is not under control of Belgrade = NO GREEN CARD.

That means: NO WAY for cars with KS plates to enter any country which is in the "Green Card" treaty. That is, all EU + Switzerland + Norway + Iceland + all YU (except KS) + most of CIS + Turkey + Iran + Israel + Marocco + Iraq + Albania.

Kosovo has bilateral agreement with Albania, CG and FYROM, not the rest.

This is the reason you see so many agencies in Kosovo selling "Green Cards". Once you have "Green Card" - you can drive everywhere, EXCEPT Serbia.

Why not Serbia? Because "Green Card" is not valid in OWN COUNTRY. That means, your "Green Card" is a Serbian Green card.

In other words:

K O S O V A E S H T E S E R B I A

If it would be an other country - no problem. Serbs can't drive in Serbia on a Green Card either. I can't drive in USA on my Green Card. At home you always need your domestic insurance.

It is not Serbia's fault, Kosovo insurance companies are Mickey Mouse (sorry: Ali Baba and 40 thieves) companies.

Suggestion: I have no problem, is your name Ali Baba or Aleks Brankovic. BUT GET RID OF 40 THIEVES! Than I am ready to consider your country being a country or somewhat like that. If Serbs agree, of course.

Tehy are not talking about serbian number plates,instead they punish those having the pre war number plates(they are invalid since 1999) unregistered cars and without insurance.
Any place tolerates that???

THe irony of all this circus is that while serbia's negotiation with EU reach the final round, countries like germany are feeling uncomfortable because...a lot of albanian have and are entitled to have serbian passport. Germany tries to secure insurance from serbia not to give K alb serbian passport because otherwise 2/3 of the k alb will immigrate there...what a mess, isn't it?

"...I do not see any big difference let say between Micronesia and Spain wile they both count at UN. We need just numbers, not any special need for India or Maldives..."

Dear Luan,

You don't need "number".
The only thing you need is SERBIAN SIGNATURE on your so-called "independence".

Without that signature you'll always be pseudo-state, no matter how many nations you'll bribe into recognizing "independent Kosovo".

Think a little bit about that.

Now this is rich (no pun intended),

If NJ were to fine every car with a NY, PA, CT, or DE liscence plate that crosses its territory, we'd be one of the richest states in the Union.

What Kosovo is doing is reminiscent of pre-Civil Rights South, where county sherrifs (who double as Klansmen by night) would pull over any out of state (or even out of county) driver for any offence and issue a fine.

A great way to raise money for little Podunk nowhere (hmm, now I'm seeing the similarity). Ingenious.

Alban: "well, if serbs can drive with serbia car plates inside kosovo, than why I as an citizen of kosovo can not drive with kosovo plates inside serbia."

Because Serbia is a legal state and Kosovo isn't

TO KATE

SO you keep saying, But have you been to Kosova lately, it just doesn't feel its Serbia there anymore now does it.
Legal or not legal, 1244 or Ahtisari,Unmik or Eulex, things are moving on in Kosova but sorry to say not your way. Byegons are byegons in the end we all know wich direction Kosova is moving, and the world will 'guarantee' you not part of Serbia.

"The only thing you need is SERBIAN SIGNATURE on your so-called "independence".

Without that signature you'll always be pseudo-state, no matter how many nations you'll bribe into recognizing "independent Kosovo".

Think a little bit about that."

We thought about it, all we need is a RUSSIAN signature on it, not Serbia's. US will make an agreement with Russia...

Good luck joining EU

I agree with Peggy.

if those criminals start to harrass serbian citizens in their very own land, then either the international forces have to step in, otherwise Serbia should do it.

The main reason why Kosovo license plates are not valid in Serbia is the insurance. In theory who has K. license plates should buy "Borderline Insurance" in Serbia. The problem is:

- it is EXPENSIVE and no K-Albanian would buy it
- it is not sold at Merdare or UNMIK Gate#1, it's sold in Presevo or Bijelo Polje only.
- Serbian citizens driving Serbian cars MAYNOT buy that insurance - it is for foreigners only. K-Albanians are not foreigners unless they have non SRB/KS passport.

This is the bureaucracy but it's how it works in EVERY European country.

Ask me, I am driving on USA license plates in the area and there is either a lot of red tape till you get the proper (and cheap) insurance or it will be VERY expensive.

But it works.

No, you POSITIVELY can't drive cars with Indian, Chinese or Argentinian license plates in Serbia unless you buy "borderline insurance". For Americans it works much better out - there is GEICO International (the same guys with "gecko" mascot), they sell insurance valid for Serbia.

Something has to be done here. UN does not recognize Kosovo, and being in charge the ultimate solution is in their hands.

If they don't do anything, history will judge them very harshly indeed.
If they don't do their job and protect the Serbs in their own country then Serbia will have to turn to their allies for help. This is the last solution, but unless UN wakes up I'm afraid it will have to be the only solution.

Because Serbia is a legal state and Kosovo isn't
(Dulo, 14 March 2009 03:21)

I am not disputing it, but not that is the reason. A green card issued in Kosovo is valid in Russia, but is not valid in Serbia.

Because Russia is not their (K-Albania) home country, but Serbia is. The Green Card is never valid in your home country, only outside of it.

ZK,

"I can see huge protests just over the horizon"

I am pleased that you can see "well". The peaceful protests are expression of freedom of manifestation...it shows that Kosova is a country that values the RULE OF LAW...))

The time has come that the serbs of Kosova have to live with the reality. They can not deny reality for a long time. They are the citizens of Kosova and have to act as citizens of Kosova since they live in Kosova.
We, the Independent Country of Kosova plan to move on and advance, we are not going to let our country stay poor just because some people are trying to make small deals a big deal. We do not want to get stuck like Serbia with useless unimportant things, we want to progress and move on.
It is enough that Balkans countries got stuck into unimaginable wars and thing that totally destroyed the lives of the innocent people of Balkan countries.
Lets move on, lets not get stuck for some childish disputes.

Hawk,

We probably can argue as much as we want - the only result will be to "earn" red ponts with Albanian raters.

They won't believe, but it's indeed somewhat confusing with the plates.

A bit simpler:

1) Look at your plate
2) if it's like the one on the right, you are fine, all you need is to go to your insurance agent and get a green card. Some agencies in UK will issue only cards for EU. In such case: change the agent. Always read the details on your GC!

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1598/plates.jpg

3) If your plate like on the left, you are in trouble. For some reasons the agents in your country cannot provide "Green Card", that means you can drive only to countries which have a special treaty with you.

4) If you want to drive in an other country, you still could be lucky if your country has either a special agent selling "Green Card" like that:

http://www.geico.com/getaquote/overseas

or if you are willing to pay a big premium.

5) Even if your country is in the "Green Card" treaty, you cannot use the "Green Card" in your own country, this is AGAINST THE INTERNATIONAL LAW.

Kosovo is an interesting case because Serbia is PROHIBITED BY LAW to accept "Green Cards" of Kosovo Drivers.

Simply because the big insurance groups think.... What do they think? ;)

That (again):

KOSOVA ESHTE SERBIA. It's not me saying, don't blame me, blame the international community.

The only way to make them to change their mind is to agree with Serbia. And the pre-requisite of that is if Ali Baba will jail the 40 thieves.

Why can you still travel to Albania, CrnaGora, FYROM without GC? Because there is a bilateral agreement. You need either to agree with Serbs in form of a bilateral agreement or you need to agree with international community (possible only with Serbia's help) about the "Green Card".

In other words: you either have to somehow agree with Serbia or to convince GEICO to sell you their European policies tailored at USA citizens. Guess, what is easier. ;)

Peggy,
Lets analyze your statement. It is a UN directive that the police are following. Russia (your ally) has continually voted to keep the UN in charge of Kosovo out of Serbia's hands.
so you think now Russia is going to declare war on the UN or the whole world for Serbia?
Any Serbian forces that move into Kosovo will be met by UN mandated NATO, supported by Russia's continual vote.

Long before the Serbs occupied the region of (Kosova)that place was called Dardania(100% Albanian population)for those that did not study History the right way.Who does not know their past does not have a future.

you are in kosovo get the kosovo number plates
simple.it will never work for the serb nation in kosovo days are over many thanks
(steve, 13 March 2009 13:19
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Very well said steve.
Nothing more to say here.

"If this pseudo-state really wants to impress me..."
LMNII USA were you trying to be humorous or do you really think anyone in Kosovo is trying to impress you.
The US govt has spoken on your behalf, as an American citizen (?), your are still allowed to speak your opinion, but that is all it is "your opinion" and means nothing else.

Doodah, why do you Albanians ALWAYS cite this "whole world" rubbish all the time?

When are you going to get it through your head that the whole world is NOT on your side but only 1/3 and most of them reluctantly.

Russia does not have to declare war on the whole world or any part of the world. Serbia's allies are more than Russia but you conveniently forget that. Do you people have India, China or Greece or a vast number of other countries in your pocket or even willing to acknowledge you?

So don't think you are going to be allowed to put Serbs to this torture forever.

...they don´t get tired of repeating old mistakes, it seems.

Loni, ...with all due respect, how about starting to study history the right way?

...simply repeating albanian myths doesn´t help you, actually.

ps: actually it isn´t even an albanian myth, because if being accurate the Illyrians and the socalled region Dardania... do not have anything in common with todays Albanians...

Peggy,
Thank you for including me in the Albanian population!
But you are as wrong about that as you could possibly be if you think China, India, Greece or anyone else is going to go to war for Serbia.
They have their reasons for not supporting Kosovo Independence but I sincerely doubt it is any special interest in Serbia.

Rocky, steve, Kosovo and Metohia is Serbia and we will never accept rules of that illegal state.

Peggy,
Thank you for including me in the Albanian population!
But you are as wrong about that as you could possibly be if you think China, India, Greece or anyone else is going to go to war for Serbia.
They have their reasons for not supporting Kosovo Independence but I sincerely doubt it is any special interest in Serbia.
(doodah, 15 March 2009 02:54)

First of all, why are you talking about a war?
Do you think that US is going to go to war for Albanians?
There is more than one way to skin a cat you know.

You seem so happy to announce that the reason China, India and Greece have for not recognizing Kosovo is not connected to any friendship with Serbs, but the same goes for the US.
No love there for the Albanians, only interests. So do get of your high horse here and let's get real.

World is changing all the time and unfortunately for Albanians, the Americans don't have the stomach for more conflict. Obama would have to work very hard indeed to sell the Americans another war, because belive me this is the only way to force Serbia to give Kosovo away.
So this leaves diplomacy and negotiations.
Sooner or later, Albanians will have to negotiate instead of waste time like before.

So far with all the billions wasted, America hasn't won any war yet. Iraq is a bottomless pit and so is Afghanistan. I think America will want to sort this out peacefully so no, China, India and Russia will not be needed to enter a conflict, only put their support behind Serbia for whatever reason they like.