Serb villages again without electricity

What a circus america has made of our Holy Land.

albanians are trying to act like they are in charge, what a joke! They are just provoking Serbs, it has been going on for decades, nothing new.

UNMIK threw out the letter as they can't do anything about it.

>> BELGRADE -- The Ministry for Kosovo the Coordination Centre for Kosovo have lodged an official protest with UNMIK due to electricity supply problems in Serb areas.

They at the same time offered two concrete solutions to the issue which are the result of the joint activities of that ministry, the Energy Ministry and the Serbian public power company, EPS, President of the Coordination Centre Zvonimir Stević told Tanjug."

I have one more 'concrete' solution: PAY THE BILL! No special companies or arrangements, just pay it or stay without power.

To Albanian Posters,

1. Is strategy of the Albanian Kosovo leadership aimed to make life of these people impossible?

2. Would you like to see Kosovo without Serbs.

I look forward to your response and comments.

“Along with this solution, we have the approval of the government that through compensation, EPS can make up for the electricity the Serb households have consumed,” Stević said.

Is Serbia asking for compensation now? Is Serbia asking for K-Serbs to pay the bill? Isn't free electricity a human right, according to some here?

Sorry, but K-government asked for bills to be paid first. It looks like S-government is always a step behind on everything.

And when you thought it can't get any more ridiculous.

Here's yet another mistake that the rookie government of the great albania has made.

Just curious as to how many albanians haven't paid their bills & who is without electricity...in the greater albania?

CCCC

Ataman,

"4) Where the electricity comes ultimately from? From Serbia or from Island of Sodor? Or maybe it is locally produced at "Chernobilic"?

Most is locally produced, some imported for extremely high prices. KEK pays for it.

>> "2) Does KEK have a monopoly or the villagers have a choice of utility provider?"

Its a monopoly (here in USA I don't have a choice either). For the rest of your comments: prices are identical for Serbs, Turks or Albanians and are controlled by the state. I think they have to pay some 20 Euros a month for it to be connected if I remember it correctly.

"What a circus america has made of our Holy Land."


Jerusalem is in the Middle East.

"I fully understand KEK, but 20 Euro/month in respect with the "income" of about 100/month is precisely the situation I described.

It's the same as if you would be billed $1000/month. Not sure, what State you are in, but if you are in the Santa Clara Valley, that would be $2000/month. Are you ready to pay? "

I believe that that 20 Euro is for un-metered (it's 30 in Albania!) but those with meters must conserve. For the villagers: You sell a cow and pay it for 3-4 years and leave the lights on only when really needed. It cost money to produce and the state can't give it for free to anyone. Albanians and all others are on the same boat, but Albanians must pay for water, land and home taxes, insurance etc etc.

I have one more 'concrete' solution: PAY THE BILL! No special companies or arrangements, just pay it or stay without power.
(Alban, 11 March 2009 13:12)

I can make you an outlaw and not pay your bill.
Imagine, you are living an an Albanian enclave.
I am the local MONOPOLY of utilities and I decide that your bill is $10000/month.

That's what I will bill to you. Now, my people does not pay that bill either - but since you won't pay, you are an outlaw and I switch off the utility. Or if not, just play dumb.

The problem is:

1) Who is the owner of the KEK? Do we know? Is is some Mehmet Berisha from the next village or some drug lord? I am sure, not Mehmet Berisha, but not-so-sure about drug lords. I have no idea about KEK, but I know how "UNMIK Railways" became "Kosovo Railways" = by usual "steal-all-you-can" privatization, so typical in the post-Communist world.

2) Does KEK have a monopoly or the villagers have a choice of utility provider?

3) Does anyone control the pricing being fair? Because if it is not, that means anti-monopoly measures need to be adopted.

4) Where the electricity comes ultimately from? From Serbia or from Island of Sodor? Or maybe it is locally produced at "Chernobilic"?

I have little information about 1-4, but there are some debates and controversies about them.

Before acting like who love "law and order" that much, some should think.

Besides, the same who support "law and order" have a selective feel of "law". The "law" should not apply to destroyed churches in Prizren like Bogorodica Ljevishka, right?

This makes no sense. We won't allow this.

I think they have to pay some 20 Euros a month for it to be connected if I remember it correctly.
(Alban, 11 March 2009 16:28)

I fully understand KEK, but 20 Euro/month in respect with the "income" of about 100/month is precisely the situation I described.

It's the same as if you would be billed $1000/month. Not sure, what State you are in, but if you are in the Santa Clara Valley, that would be $2000/month. Are you ready to pay?

No wonder, they cannot pay. Albanians, Turks, etc. can't pay either. So there is nothing to enforce and much like the Hungarian homes on the Vir Island.

Everything was built illegally on Otok Vir, even the church. But Croatians did demolish mostly Hungarian homes. On the other hand, only Hungarians refused to pay "boravista taxa" and tried to cheat on Croats as much as possible.

Result: now they don't like each other on the Vir and finger-point at each other, who is the MORE guilty.

IMO, in this case, like on Otok Vir: EVERYONE IS GUILTY and EVERYONE is in a nonsensic situation.

The best would be just to leave people alone.

And it's perfectly fine to demonstrate in such case. It is not perfectly fine to beat the villagers who demonstrate. KPS is regarded as a "success story", but this wasn't their best moment to speak mildly.

"1. Is strategy of the Albanian Kosovo leadership aimed to make life of these people impossible?

2. Would you like to see Kosovo without Serbs."




These are simply my opinions:

1. Not impossible, but gradually difficult. In other words, start making things difficult for them one at a time till it reaches the point where Serbs will either a) move to Serbia, or b) be forced to accept only Kosovo's government, not Serbia's.

2. No. Serbs only make up around 5% of the total population (it was 10% before the retaliatory attacks) so: a) they don't pose a threat of any kind, be it a military threat or demographic threat, and b) multiethnicity is represented in Kosovo's flag by its stars, so Serbs and other ethnicities are welcome to stay.


Again, those were my opinions, not any official policies of Kosovo's government.

For the villagers: You sell a cow and pay it for 3-4 years and leave the lights on only when really needed. It cost money to produce and the state can't give it for free to anyone. Albanians and all others are on the same boat, but Albanians must pay for water, land and home taxes, insurance etc etc.
(Alban, 11 March 2009 19:42)

Alban, you are living... where? And receive what salary?
For you (or me) - we should not aspire to be the financial advisers of these poor people.

Besides, I have my doubt, Albanians in Kosovo do pay for what you describe.

1) What insurance? LOL! What is it worth?
You can't compare even Hungarian insurances with American ones. I am glad, my insurance is US domestic for American expats abroad, not the local Hungarian. Also costs less.

2) Home taxes? Land taxes?

The entire service industry/insurance/utilities/etc. is not just in Kosovo lightyears behind USA (are you surprised?) same is with Serbia Proper, Hungary and I would dare to say, even Germany. It's like on an other planet.

These people you mention do not receive a good service and I can hardly imagine they (Albanian villagers in Kosovo) would pay for what they don't receive. In other words, neither Albanian nor Serbian villagers do pay. The slight difference is, Albanians probably pay for what their elders decide is worth regardless of KEK, Serbs won't pay anything.

We are back to the square one: no one really pays, no one really takes K. institutions seriously. But K. institutions will try to show how strong is their stick much likely if it is either about Serbs or about Albanians who are potentially politically dangerous.

"We won't allow it .." thanks for the info, but C
one could argue for example that this proposal was probably used by Eulex / Umnik to make KLA leadership more reasonable and force them to take care and fix the problem.
What kind of strategy (if any) are KEK/KLA following? How can one explain their move back to the previous status quo and to supply power "for free" to serbian enclaves?

and the second solution???

This further solidifies the widening gap between the majority and minorty of this newly formed stateless state.
The simplistic notion that having a symbolic star on one's flag is enough to demonstrate any level of multiethnicity, let alone an acceptable level, is beyond reproach. One can further retort that the Serbian flag has three colours representing 3 major various ethnicities as well. Thus, by following such illogical points, Albania has room for 1 ethnicity, and since kosovo is an Albanian nationalistic project, and most Kosovars seem happier waving their parental flag, then the aformentioned monoethnicitic flag, Kosovo's multiethnicitity project's basis according to flag symbology is superseeded by their parental symbology.
When American's stole land from their Native predesesors, through vairous forms of violent ethnic cleansing they were atleast gracious enough, (all be it, covered with the greedy smiles of one who has successfully stolen something) to provide the Native nations with inexpensive/free lodgings, a multitide of programs designed to assist these peoples, the further encouragement of the continuation of the cultural history, and free legal perks such as casinos, special fishing/hunting permits (or the lack of need for one).

All these episodes demonstrate are how lacking the Kosovar internal institutions are. When the majority of 95% cannot figure out a way to help, assist the impoverished minority, then they have a very very far way to go towards reaching basic western-democratic-socialistic standards. Kosovo is not ready to join the ball, and will not be until they can figure out how to make life fair for all, or even recognize that they may have to make additional consessions to the impoverished minorities that they've claimed they wish to take care of.

This is not about the electricity. The electical issue is just the story on the surface.

If a company makes me pay $10,000 a month, I'll buy a generator! It's much cheaper, isn't it?
(AO KS, 12 March 2009 02:01)

1) Sure, but it wouldn't make sense if that generator is stolen/vandalized the next day. If it can happen to Bogorodica Ljevishka, who does guarantee the generator being there and being functional the next day?

2) There is nothing to cooperate with any Kosovo "authority" as long as it has people widely suspected to be criminals of all kind.
This is regardless of UDI. Criminals (Thaci & co.) belong to jail.

I fully agree with Kosovo Serbs: ABSOLUTELY NO NEGOTIATIONS, NO COOPERATION WITH CRIMINALS.

Once K-Albanians clean up their act, I would re-consider. It is not about "independence", it is just about being a common criminal or not. We can agree to disagree on independence, this is a lesser issue, I have no problems on that but I will keep my opinion unless convinced of opposite.

Ataman Said: "I am the local MONOPOLY of utilities and I decide that your bill is $10000/month."

If a company makes me pay $10,000 a month, I'll buy a generator! It's much cheaper, isn't it? There's always an option if you want to be an outlaw! But, is there such a thing happening in Kosova with KEK versus Serbs? NOT!!!

And for you who say that serbs are without jobs, have it ever occurred to your mind that these very Serbs are the ones who do not want to cooperate with the Kosova leadership and do not accept their job offers?! Remember, they refused the KP (Kosova Police), FSK (Kosova Security Force) and they continue refusing and ignoring the democratically elected authorities of the Republic of Kosova, by throwing stones at them (referring to the most recent incident in Silovo)!!! They refuse everything, if it's not, at least, in their interest, so it's their choice how they get the electricity (and/or water, garbage, telephone...etc) money.

Think about it!

Since in this article is mentioned as well a part where some ethnic Albanians have protested today about the electricity shortages, than this makes the Albanians and Serbians equal!

They had electricity for free for a decade.
Nothing is free forever pay the bill first after they can have electricity just like all Kosovar citizens.

To Ataman and his "no matter what you say and do the answer is always No" comments.

It is "No Electricity!" then sir. But why would you care anyway, you don't suffer from any shortage because you have been paying your bill regularly, I reckon.

I have one more 'concrete' solution: PAY THE BILL! No special companies or arrangements, just pay it or stay without power.
(Alban, 11 March 2009 13:12)

I can make you an outlaw and not pay your bill.
Imagine, you are living an an Albanian enclave.
I am the local MONOPOLY of utilities and I decide that your bill is $10000/month.

That's what I will bill to you. Now, my people does not pay that bill either - but since you won't pay, you are an outlaw and I switch off the utility. Or if not, just play dumb.

The problem is:

1) Who is the owner of the KEK? Do we know? Is is some Mehmet Berisha from the next village or some drug lord? I am sure, not Mehmet Berisha, but not-so-sure about drug lords. I have no idea about KEK, but I know how "UNMIK Railways" became "Kosovo Railways" = by usual "steal-all-you-can" privatization, so typical in the post-Communist world.

2) Does KEK have a monopoly or the villagers have a choice of utility provider?

3) Does anyone control the pricing being fair? Because if it is not, that means anti-monopoly measures need to be adopted.

4) Where the electricity comes ultimately from? From Serbia or from Island of Sodor? Or maybe it is locally produced at "Chernobilic"?

I have little information about 1-4, but there are some debates and controversies about them.

Before acting like who love "law and order" that much, some should think.

Besides, the same who support "law and order" have a selective feel of "law". The "law" should not apply to destroyed churches in Prizren like Bogorodica Ljevishka, right?

“Along with this solution, we have the approval of the government that through compensation, EPS can make up for the electricity the Serb households have consumed,” Stević said.

Is Serbia asking for compensation now? Is Serbia asking for K-Serbs to pay the bill? Isn't free electricity a human right, according to some here?

Sorry, but K-government asked for bills to be paid first. It looks like S-government is always a step behind on everything.

And when you thought it can't get any more ridiculous.

This makes no sense. We won't allow this.

UNMIK threw out the letter as they can't do anything about it.

>> BELGRADE -- The Ministry for Kosovo the Coordination Centre for Kosovo have lodged an official protest with UNMIK due to electricity supply problems in Serb areas.

They at the same time offered two concrete solutions to the issue which are the result of the joint activities of that ministry, the Energy Ministry and the Serbian public power company, EPS, President of the Coordination Centre Zvonimir Stević told Tanjug."

I have one more 'concrete' solution: PAY THE BILL! No special companies or arrangements, just pay it or stay without power.

What a circus america has made of our Holy Land.

albanians are trying to act like they are in charge, what a joke! They are just provoking Serbs, it has been going on for decades, nothing new.

"What a circus america has made of our Holy Land."


Jerusalem is in the Middle East.

To Albanian Posters,

1. Is strategy of the Albanian Kosovo leadership aimed to make life of these people impossible?

2. Would you like to see Kosovo without Serbs.

I look forward to your response and comments.

"We won't allow it .." thanks for the info, but C
one could argue for example that this proposal was probably used by Eulex / Umnik to make KLA leadership more reasonable and force them to take care and fix the problem.
What kind of strategy (if any) are KEK/KLA following? How can one explain their move back to the previous status quo and to supply power "for free" to serbian enclaves?

Ataman,

"4) Where the electricity comes ultimately from? From Serbia or from Island of Sodor? Or maybe it is locally produced at "Chernobilic"?

Most is locally produced, some imported for extremely high prices. KEK pays for it.

>> "2) Does KEK have a monopoly or the villagers have a choice of utility provider?"

Its a monopoly (here in USA I don't have a choice either). For the rest of your comments: prices are identical for Serbs, Turks or Albanians and are controlled by the state. I think they have to pay some 20 Euros a month for it to be connected if I remember it correctly.

"1. Is strategy of the Albanian Kosovo leadership aimed to make life of these people impossible?

2. Would you like to see Kosovo without Serbs."




These are simply my opinions:

1. Not impossible, but gradually difficult. In other words, start making things difficult for them one at a time till it reaches the point where Serbs will either a) move to Serbia, or b) be forced to accept only Kosovo's government, not Serbia's.

2. No. Serbs only make up around 5% of the total population (it was 10% before the retaliatory attacks) so: a) they don't pose a threat of any kind, be it a military threat or demographic threat, and b) multiethnicity is represented in Kosovo's flag by its stars, so Serbs and other ethnicities are welcome to stay.


Again, those were my opinions, not any official policies of Kosovo's government.

Here's yet another mistake that the rookie government of the great albania has made.

Just curious as to how many albanians haven't paid their bills & who is without electricity...in the greater albania?

CCCC

I think they have to pay some 20 Euros a month for it to be connected if I remember it correctly.
(Alban, 11 March 2009 16:28)

I fully understand KEK, but 20 Euro/month in respect with the "income" of about 100/month is precisely the situation I described.

It's the same as if you would be billed $1000/month. Not sure, what State you are in, but if you are in the Santa Clara Valley, that would be $2000/month. Are you ready to pay?

No wonder, they cannot pay. Albanians, Turks, etc. can't pay either. So there is nothing to enforce and much like the Hungarian homes on the Vir Island.

Everything was built illegally on Otok Vir, even the church. But Croatians did demolish mostly Hungarian homes. On the other hand, only Hungarians refused to pay "boravista taxa" and tried to cheat on Croats as much as possible.

Result: now they don't like each other on the Vir and finger-point at each other, who is the MORE guilty.

IMO, in this case, like on Otok Vir: EVERYONE IS GUILTY and EVERYONE is in a nonsensic situation.

The best would be just to leave people alone.

And it's perfectly fine to demonstrate in such case. It is not perfectly fine to beat the villagers who demonstrate. KPS is regarded as a "success story", but this wasn't their best moment to speak mildly.

"I fully understand KEK, but 20 Euro/month in respect with the "income" of about 100/month is precisely the situation I described.

It's the same as if you would be billed $1000/month. Not sure, what State you are in, but if you are in the Santa Clara Valley, that would be $2000/month. Are you ready to pay? "

I believe that that 20 Euro is for un-metered (it's 30 in Albania!) but those with meters must conserve. For the villagers: You sell a cow and pay it for 3-4 years and leave the lights on only when really needed. It cost money to produce and the state can't give it for free to anyone. Albanians and all others are on the same boat, but Albanians must pay for water, land and home taxes, insurance etc etc.

For the villagers: You sell a cow and pay it for 3-4 years and leave the lights on only when really needed. It cost money to produce and the state can't give it for free to anyone. Albanians and all others are on the same boat, but Albanians must pay for water, land and home taxes, insurance etc etc.
(Alban, 11 March 2009 19:42)

Alban, you are living... where? And receive what salary?
For you (or me) - we should not aspire to be the financial advisers of these poor people.

Besides, I have my doubt, Albanians in Kosovo do pay for what you describe.

1) What insurance? LOL! What is it worth?
You can't compare even Hungarian insurances with American ones. I am glad, my insurance is US domestic for American expats abroad, not the local Hungarian. Also costs less.

2) Home taxes? Land taxes?

The entire service industry/insurance/utilities/etc. is not just in Kosovo lightyears behind USA (are you surprised?) same is with Serbia Proper, Hungary and I would dare to say, even Germany. It's like on an other planet.

These people you mention do not receive a good service and I can hardly imagine they (Albanian villagers in Kosovo) would pay for what they don't receive. In other words, neither Albanian nor Serbian villagers do pay. The slight difference is, Albanians probably pay for what their elders decide is worth regardless of KEK, Serbs won't pay anything.

We are back to the square one: no one really pays, no one really takes K. institutions seriously. But K. institutions will try to show how strong is their stick much likely if it is either about Serbs or about Albanians who are potentially politically dangerous.

and the second solution???

Ataman Said: "I am the local MONOPOLY of utilities and I decide that your bill is $10000/month."

If a company makes me pay $10,000 a month, I'll buy a generator! It's much cheaper, isn't it? There's always an option if you want to be an outlaw! But, is there such a thing happening in Kosova with KEK versus Serbs? NOT!!!

And for you who say that serbs are without jobs, have it ever occurred to your mind that these very Serbs are the ones who do not want to cooperate with the Kosova leadership and do not accept their job offers?! Remember, they refused the KP (Kosova Police), FSK (Kosova Security Force) and they continue refusing and ignoring the democratically elected authorities of the Republic of Kosova, by throwing stones at them (referring to the most recent incident in Silovo)!!! They refuse everything, if it's not, at least, in their interest, so it's their choice how they get the electricity (and/or water, garbage, telephone...etc) money.

Think about it!

Since in this article is mentioned as well a part where some ethnic Albanians have protested today about the electricity shortages, than this makes the Albanians and Serbians equal!

They had electricity for free for a decade.
Nothing is free forever pay the bill first after they can have electricity just like all Kosovar citizens.

This further solidifies the widening gap between the majority and minorty of this newly formed stateless state.
The simplistic notion that having a symbolic star on one's flag is enough to demonstrate any level of multiethnicity, let alone an acceptable level, is beyond reproach. One can further retort that the Serbian flag has three colours representing 3 major various ethnicities as well. Thus, by following such illogical points, Albania has room for 1 ethnicity, and since kosovo is an Albanian nationalistic project, and most Kosovars seem happier waving their parental flag, then the aformentioned monoethnicitic flag, Kosovo's multiethnicitity project's basis according to flag symbology is superseeded by their parental symbology.
When American's stole land from their Native predesesors, through vairous forms of violent ethnic cleansing they were atleast gracious enough, (all be it, covered with the greedy smiles of one who has successfully stolen something) to provide the Native nations with inexpensive/free lodgings, a multitide of programs designed to assist these peoples, the further encouragement of the continuation of the cultural history, and free legal perks such as casinos, special fishing/hunting permits (or the lack of need for one).

All these episodes demonstrate are how lacking the Kosovar internal institutions are. When the majority of 95% cannot figure out a way to help, assist the impoverished minority, then they have a very very far way to go towards reaching basic western-democratic-socialistic standards. Kosovo is not ready to join the ball, and will not be until they can figure out how to make life fair for all, or even recognize that they may have to make additional consessions to the impoverished minorities that they've claimed they wish to take care of.

This is not about the electricity. The electical issue is just the story on the surface.

If a company makes me pay $10,000 a month, I'll buy a generator! It's much cheaper, isn't it?
(AO KS, 12 March 2009 02:01)

1) Sure, but it wouldn't make sense if that generator is stolen/vandalized the next day. If it can happen to Bogorodica Ljevishka, who does guarantee the generator being there and being functional the next day?

2) There is nothing to cooperate with any Kosovo "authority" as long as it has people widely suspected to be criminals of all kind.
This is regardless of UDI. Criminals (Thaci & co.) belong to jail.

I fully agree with Kosovo Serbs: ABSOLUTELY NO NEGOTIATIONS, NO COOPERATION WITH CRIMINALS.

Once K-Albanians clean up their act, I would re-consider. It is not about "independence", it is just about being a common criminal or not. We can agree to disagree on independence, this is a lesser issue, I have no problems on that but I will keep my opinion unless convinced of opposite.

To Ataman and his "no matter what you say and do the answer is always No" comments.

It is "No Electricity!" then sir. But why would you care anyway, you don't suffer from any shortage because you have been paying your bill regularly, I reckon.