"Milošević intelligence chief was CIA man"

Well, this is interesting, although I wonder about the veracity of this report.

However, nobody should be too surprised about this. Stanisic was the (Mr) DB and without doubt had contact with the CIA. I'm also certain that Milosevic knew and supported this.

I would also be interested to know what kind of messages the CIA was giving Stanisic / Milosevic with regard to policies in Jugoslavija.

Specifically what was the CIA position on Krajina, they must have either known or sanctioned Stanisic's secret trips to Knin. We know that the Pentagon / State Department had a differing . disagreeing view of the Jugoslav crisis in the beginning - perhaps the CIA played a part in this.

Obviously the extent of Milosevic's patriotism and resistance to the US apparantly knows no bounds :)

The banker is obviously an anti US / anti capitalist patriot.

What a surprise? That the CIA was controlling the breakup of Yugoslavia is no surprise. Warren Zimmermann ex US ambassador boasted at a dinner in the British embassy in the early 1990s that when the US had finished with Serbia there would be nothing left. In 2005 a deputy of Amb. Montgomery told my friend, journalist Scott Taylor the same thing saying that they would take away Kosovo, Vojvodina, Montenegro,etc. They have all but succeeded. I feel very sorry for the ordinary Serbs who have had no part in this tragedy but who have suffered the most. If only Stanisic was the only traitor. Iseult Ireland

Iseult Henry,
Unfortunately there are lots of traitors within Serbia, and the current government, who would sell their grandmothers for EU membership.

Let's hope this soon changes.
Pomozi Boze!!

Bye the way, Scott Taylor, like Major General Lewis Mackenzie, are great Canadians, and great people, who have done great work in exposing the truth and what really happened in the Balkans. I have read their books and would highly recommend them to anyone.

Let us get a few things straight here. The CIA does not observe and do nothing - it foments conflicts and wars, that is its raison d'etre. Read Craig Ungar's book 'House of Bush, House of Saud'. There you will read that the CIA along with the Saudi government established what turned out to be Al Qaida in order to fight the Russians and bring down the USSR. Saddam Hussein at the age of 23 was a CIA operative who was tasked with killing the then Prime Minister of Iraq. They even got the Saudis to fund the Vatican bank. Was the CIA fomenting the break up of Yugoslavia? Take a wild guess. We are all just pawns in a very dirty game.
By the way do not forget to buy the book, life will never be the same again. Iseult.

Mike, you make some good points. During his case at the NATO court, did you know Milosevic accused the French secret service for being responsible for Srebrenica? He mentioned he would reveal all but died before he had the chance. I always wondered what he was going to expose.

What's interesting about this report is that, all things considered, the CIA apparently knew what was GOING to happen, but did nothing about it. It's almost as if they knew a campaign of terror was to be unleashed, but actually needed it to happen first in order to accumulate war crimes charges afterwards and find a pretext for war. An easier strategy would have been staving off such actions before they occurred, and possibly saving the lives of thousands of people.

But as in other cases, the CIA observes but does nothing. Similar to FDR probably knowing about the Holocaust but needing it to happen first in order to find a pretense for going to war with Germany.

And what did this accomplish? Nothing. The CIA hears about Milosevic's alleged plans, but does nothing, and people still die. What does the CIA gain afterwards? If they were looking to implicate Slobo, apparently they were too slow for that. What an utter waste.
People's lives are little more than statistical leverage for them. Who knows if the CIA even encouraged Stanisic egg Milosevic on? It wouldn't be the first time this ignoble organization actually contributes to opposing sides (Saddam in 1984 anyone? Or how about the building of those cave networks in Afghanistan in the 1980s that bin Ladin is apparently hiding in?)

Next thing you'll tell me is that the CIA was responsible for the assassination of Iranian President Mossadeq in 1953....

Montgomery told my friend, journalist Scott Taylor the same thing saying that they would take away Kosovo, Vojvodina, Montenegro,etc. They have all but succeeded.
(iseult henry, 2 March 2009 16:02)
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Not quite. Perhaps with Montenegro but they have failed in Kosovo and will not even get close to Vojvodina.

The dictators invested billions and decades to get this far but undoing it all is going to be as quick as Russia defeated NATO trained Georgian troops.

The people of Montenegro will realise that we are all the same and the honourable world will never allow criminals and terrorists to take our soil.

They may have planned to destroy Serbia like some many others, but all have failed. Excessive greed has always been the downfall of evil empires. They all rot within.

"Jovica Stanišić, "accused of setting up genocidal death squads", was "a valuable source for the CIA, an agency veteran says, he also 'did a whole lot of good'.""

I guess the 'whole lot of good' stands since I guess Stanisic could've done much more and much wors than what he have already done.

Ataman

Stalin had to sign the Pact after his attempts to help Chechoslovakia in 1938 were failed by the West and blocked by Polandin. Later in 1939 Poland rejected the Soviet aid and made several attempts to add it's 1 100 000 troops to 1 000 000 of Wermacht on their way Eastward.

Besides in accordance with the Pact a lot of lands were added to the Ukraine , Estonia , Latvia , Lietova. All of them are parts of the Western gang while Russia has gained nothing out of the Pact. So leave alone your cold war slogans which have nothing to do with the events discussed here.

It's all good news regarding goodness of Stanišić, his CIA bosses and Milošević. If great people can work together, the result can be terrific. See Stalin-Hitler-Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

Let's assume, for the moment, that the CIA were actually seeking to minimize atrocities, and not encourage them (and this would not be unfair, given that Stanisic was not approached until 1992, when a brutual war had already been underway in Croatia for at least 6 months). Examining the CIA's role in this way then raises the question of the degree to which the Belgrade leadership actually controlled the thugs they helped create. We often hear Milosevic accused of having ultimate control over -- and therefore, responsibility for -- the perpetrators of Srebenica, etc. But given the extent to which his regime appears to have cooperated with the US (and presumably other Western powers), it actually appears rather doubtful that he would have supported some of the massacres for which he was accused on the one hand, or been able to prevent them on the other. This Stanisic story creates the picture of a CIA desperately -- and unsuccessfully -- trying to use Belgrade to halt the violent meltdown of ex-Yu. I would argue that the real factors that brought about the end to the wars in Bosnia and Croatia were the Washington Accord in March of 1994 and Operation Storm in Croatia in August of 1995 -- events which, apart from Milosevic's abandonment of Krajina, had nothing to do with Belgrade. As a side note, I'd be curious to see in what way Stanisic helped the CIA after 1998, when Milosevic fired him. This article says he worked for them for 8 years starting in 1992 -- two years beyond his tenure as head of the DB.

Disgraceful behaviour. As in Central and Latin America, the CIA cozy up to the leaders of death squads.

and what about admir Fazliç,his nephew,who was brought by Tom Ridge in Albania to support Berisha and have money laundering and mafioso affairs there?
Does la know something about the cia connection of the Gerdec tragedy?

It would be reasonable to assume that the Croatians and K albs had their ranks infiltrated by the CIA as well. That is why helpful informations is being given to the Serbs in tracking down these "organ harvesters".

If they had a spy then with Milosevic in power, now it's safe that have at least one or two. CIA knows everything; it sucks to be on their bad side

Slobodan milosevic itself was a CIA worker,he worked with CIA to destroy Yougoslavia

To #15:

As far as I know, Russian schools have mainstream history curriculum, not the upside-down one. Reading your comment I wonder, what is the source of this kind of (des)information.

Of course, Stalin had Soviet Union in mind, not Russian Federation. No one in his sound mind could predict the break-up of the Soviet Union, in particular the partition to Belarus-Russian Federation - Ukraine is the most bizarre. You know it the best, it was not because of some "democracy" - just the opposite, it was a by-product of ugly personal struggle within the Party apparat.

In that regard I do not see the point - except that many people are very bitter because of recent territory losses. But these losses are precisely because of how the Party apparat worked and because of the contra-selection process it was built on.

And Ukraina being... "Western" ? Can you upload me that pot, please?

The worst is yet to come for Serbia. Since the world financial meltdown will be particularly catastrophic for Serbia this will delay, significantly, membership to the EU. The sale of its Nis petroleum facility to the Russians will prove to be one Serbia's most expensive mistakes. Serbia must now experience the infamous Russian bear hug.

If this is true as it is written here, considering that it has passed through two media outlets, I don't think the CIA is saying a good word about Stanisic to the Hague out of gratitude. They plan to get something out of this. What it is, one can only guess. The effect of this news in Serbia maybe, does anybody care about this in Serbia, because I have no idea. Or it could be because Stanisic knows something, that shouldn't be revealed, even though I don't think the scenario of Stanisic blackmailing the CIA is very likely. Or maybe they still need him out of jail, does he have any power in Serbia, or over somebody or group of somebodies in high positions in Serbia? Somebody like Dacic and people in his party for example? Come to think of it, Dacic today downplayed this information.

"Jovica Stanišić, "accused of setting up genocidal death squads", was "a valuable source for the CIA, an agency veteran says, he also 'did a whole lot of good'.""

I guess the 'whole lot of good' stands since I guess Stanisic could've done much more and much wors than what he have already done.

Disgraceful behaviour. As in Central and Latin America, the CIA cozy up to the leaders of death squads.

Mike, you make some good points. During his case at the NATO court, did you know Milosevic accused the French secret service for being responsible for Srebrenica? He mentioned he would reveal all but died before he had the chance. I always wondered what he was going to expose.

Montgomery told my friend, journalist Scott Taylor the same thing saying that they would take away Kosovo, Vojvodina, Montenegro,etc. They have all but succeeded.
(iseult henry, 2 March 2009 16:02)
--
Not quite. Perhaps with Montenegro but they have failed in Kosovo and will not even get close to Vojvodina.

The dictators invested billions and decades to get this far but undoing it all is going to be as quick as Russia defeated NATO trained Georgian troops.

The people of Montenegro will realise that we are all the same and the honourable world will never allow criminals and terrorists to take our soil.

They may have planned to destroy Serbia like some many others, but all have failed. Excessive greed has always been the downfall of evil empires. They all rot within.

If they had a spy then with Milosevic in power, now it's safe that have at least one or two. CIA knows everything; it sucks to be on their bad side

The worst is yet to come for Serbia. Since the world financial meltdown will be particularly catastrophic for Serbia this will delay, significantly, membership to the EU. The sale of its Nis petroleum facility to the Russians will prove to be one Serbia's most expensive mistakes. Serbia must now experience the infamous Russian bear hug.

Well, this is interesting, although I wonder about the veracity of this report.

However, nobody should be too surprised about this. Stanisic was the (Mr) DB and without doubt had contact with the CIA. I'm also certain that Milosevic knew and supported this.

I would also be interested to know what kind of messages the CIA was giving Stanisic / Milosevic with regard to policies in Jugoslavija.

Specifically what was the CIA position on Krajina, they must have either known or sanctioned Stanisic's secret trips to Knin. We know that the Pentagon / State Department had a differing . disagreeing view of the Jugoslav crisis in the beginning - perhaps the CIA played a part in this.

Obviously the extent of Milosevic's patriotism and resistance to the US apparantly knows no bounds :)

The banker is obviously an anti US / anti capitalist patriot.

and what about admir Fazliç,his nephew,who was brought by Tom Ridge in Albania to support Berisha and have money laundering and mafioso affairs there?
Does la know something about the cia connection of the Gerdec tragedy?

It's all good news regarding goodness of Stanišić, his CIA bosses and Milošević. If great people can work together, the result can be terrific. See Stalin-Hitler-Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

What's interesting about this report is that, all things considered, the CIA apparently knew what was GOING to happen, but did nothing about it. It's almost as if they knew a campaign of terror was to be unleashed, but actually needed it to happen first in order to accumulate war crimes charges afterwards and find a pretext for war. An easier strategy would have been staving off such actions before they occurred, and possibly saving the lives of thousands of people.

But as in other cases, the CIA observes but does nothing. Similar to FDR probably knowing about the Holocaust but needing it to happen first in order to find a pretense for going to war with Germany.

And what did this accomplish? Nothing. The CIA hears about Milosevic's alleged plans, but does nothing, and people still die. What does the CIA gain afterwards? If they were looking to implicate Slobo, apparently they were too slow for that. What an utter waste.
People's lives are little more than statistical leverage for them. Who knows if the CIA even encouraged Stanisic egg Milosevic on? It wouldn't be the first time this ignoble organization actually contributes to opposing sides (Saddam in 1984 anyone? Or how about the building of those cave networks in Afghanistan in the 1980s that bin Ladin is apparently hiding in?)

Next thing you'll tell me is that the CIA was responsible for the assassination of Iranian President Mossadeq in 1953....

Iseult Henry,
Unfortunately there are lots of traitors within Serbia, and the current government, who would sell their grandmothers for EU membership.

Let's hope this soon changes.
Pomozi Boze!!

Bye the way, Scott Taylor, like Major General Lewis Mackenzie, are great Canadians, and great people, who have done great work in exposing the truth and what really happened in the Balkans. I have read their books and would highly recommend them to anyone.

It would be reasonable to assume that the Croatians and K albs had their ranks infiltrated by the CIA as well. That is why helpful informations is being given to the Serbs in tracking down these "organ harvesters".

Let's assume, for the moment, that the CIA were actually seeking to minimize atrocities, and not encourage them (and this would not be unfair, given that Stanisic was not approached until 1992, when a brutual war had already been underway in Croatia for at least 6 months). Examining the CIA's role in this way then raises the question of the degree to which the Belgrade leadership actually controlled the thugs they helped create. We often hear Milosevic accused of having ultimate control over -- and therefore, responsibility for -- the perpetrators of Srebenica, etc. But given the extent to which his regime appears to have cooperated with the US (and presumably other Western powers), it actually appears rather doubtful that he would have supported some of the massacres for which he was accused on the one hand, or been able to prevent them on the other. This Stanisic story creates the picture of a CIA desperately -- and unsuccessfully -- trying to use Belgrade to halt the violent meltdown of ex-Yu. I would argue that the real factors that brought about the end to the wars in Bosnia and Croatia were the Washington Accord in March of 1994 and Operation Storm in Croatia in August of 1995 -- events which, apart from Milosevic's abandonment of Krajina, had nothing to do with Belgrade. As a side note, I'd be curious to see in what way Stanisic helped the CIA after 1998, when Milosevic fired him. This article says he worked for them for 8 years starting in 1992 -- two years beyond his tenure as head of the DB.

What a surprise? That the CIA was controlling the breakup of Yugoslavia is no surprise. Warren Zimmermann ex US ambassador boasted at a dinner in the British embassy in the early 1990s that when the US had finished with Serbia there would be nothing left. In 2005 a deputy of Amb. Montgomery told my friend, journalist Scott Taylor the same thing saying that they would take away Kosovo, Vojvodina, Montenegro,etc. They have all but succeeded. I feel very sorry for the ordinary Serbs who have had no part in this tragedy but who have suffered the most. If only Stanisic was the only traitor. Iseult Ireland

Let us get a few things straight here. The CIA does not observe and do nothing - it foments conflicts and wars, that is its raison d'etre. Read Craig Ungar's book 'House of Bush, House of Saud'. There you will read that the CIA along with the Saudi government established what turned out to be Al Qaida in order to fight the Russians and bring down the USSR. Saddam Hussein at the age of 23 was a CIA operative who was tasked with killing the then Prime Minister of Iraq. They even got the Saudis to fund the Vatican bank. Was the CIA fomenting the break up of Yugoslavia? Take a wild guess. We are all just pawns in a very dirty game.
By the way do not forget to buy the book, life will never be the same again. Iseult.

Ataman

Stalin had to sign the Pact after his attempts to help Chechoslovakia in 1938 were failed by the West and blocked by Polandin. Later in 1939 Poland rejected the Soviet aid and made several attempts to add it's 1 100 000 troops to 1 000 000 of Wermacht on their way Eastward.

Besides in accordance with the Pact a lot of lands were added to the Ukraine , Estonia , Latvia , Lietova. All of them are parts of the Western gang while Russia has gained nothing out of the Pact. So leave alone your cold war slogans which have nothing to do with the events discussed here.

Slobodan milosevic itself was a CIA worker,he worked with CIA to destroy Yougoslavia

To #15:

As far as I know, Russian schools have mainstream history curriculum, not the upside-down one. Reading your comment I wonder, what is the source of this kind of (des)information.

Of course, Stalin had Soviet Union in mind, not Russian Federation. No one in his sound mind could predict the break-up of the Soviet Union, in particular the partition to Belarus-Russian Federation - Ukraine is the most bizarre. You know it the best, it was not because of some "democracy" - just the opposite, it was a by-product of ugly personal struggle within the Party apparat.

In that regard I do not see the point - except that many people are very bitter because of recent territory losses. But these losses are precisely because of how the Party apparat worked and because of the contra-selection process it was built on.

And Ukraina being... "Western" ? Can you upload me that pot, please?

If this is true as it is written here, considering that it has passed through two media outlets, I don't think the CIA is saying a good word about Stanisic to the Hague out of gratitude. They plan to get something out of this. What it is, one can only guess. The effect of this news in Serbia maybe, does anybody care about this in Serbia, because I have no idea. Or it could be because Stanisic knows something, that shouldn't be revealed, even though I don't think the scenario of Stanisic blackmailing the CIA is very likely. Or maybe they still need him out of jail, does he have any power in Serbia, or over somebody or group of somebodies in high positions in Serbia? Somebody like Dacic and people in his party for example? Come to think of it, Dacic today downplayed this information.