FM: Hague convicted individuals, not Serbia

Jeremic comments are pathetic trying to justify Serbian state of Milosevic. His statement tells to the world that "we are the sons of Milosevic" and "it is extremely unlikely we we change".

Serbia need to distance itself from his horrendous regime and not only with words by with deeds.

Serbia army went to Kosova and an army is part of state. Jeremic should know that but blantly doesn't want to accept that.

He is trying to compare the crimes commited by Serbian state towards Albanian with those that might have been committed by KLA. Let's not mention the wars in Bosnia Herzegovina and Croatia......

The verdict has been very clear and has pointed out Serb responsibility on what happened. There might be changes in Serb politics, but not towards Kosovo and Albanians. Only Serbias scope of action has changed, since there is NATO in Kosovo. Every progress in Kosovo has been antagonized by Serbia. I can not see anything the Milosevic government could have done differently under this new reality. The disrespect for Albanians has rarely been as high as currenly in Serbia.
I think this Serb atitude towards Kosovo is the biggest asset for Kosovo-independence.

Mr. Jeremic, where I come from, people are convicted or acquitted on the basis of evidence. I have followed many cases in The Hague and it very clear why Milutinovic was acquitted and Pavkovic, Lukic, Sainovic et al were convicted. The evidence showed that they were part of a criminal conspiracy and Milutinovic was not. Similarly the evidence against Haradinaj was in the words of the judges "vague, inconclusive or non-existent". Now, you say the evidence did exist because Belgrade supplied it. The problem is that Belgrade's evidence proved to be untruthful. I haven't studied the Oric case so I won't comment on it. You, Mr. Jeremic, don't want your prejudices to be disturbed by studying any of the cases. You are a force for regression.

To all albanians and other Serb-bashers on here:

The ruling means nothing to Serbs. We don't recognize any decision from this political kangaroo court because it is not a real court and has nothing to do with TRUTH or JUSTICE.
I won't get into details, but Nasir Oric bragged about his attrocities to a reporter from the Toronto Star, and even showed video footage of his attrocities, and he was still set free. Why? Because the whole purpose of the Hague is to rewrite history and the make the aggressors (Germany, US, NATO, Croatia, KLA terrorists...)look like victims, and the victims (Serbs) look like aggressors.
So please, save us your anti-Serb drivel and simpleton view of the universe. We DON'T CARE what the Hague or 'civilized Europe' thinks, because they have shown they are neither truthfull nor civilized.
Serbia has a proud history of how it treats minorities and have never been aggressors like our neighbours have. Serbia is getting punished because the colonialists, or imperialists if you will, do not like the fact that we want to be free and independent. They want us to be bootlicking servants just like all our neighbours, and we are setting a bad example for other 'small' nations of the world.
We Serbs know this, and we have this thing called 'Inat', or spite. You are going to feel the venom of this inat more and more these days.
Cheers!!

Nice try Jeremic. However, if one reads the summary of the ICTY Judgement here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/26_02_09_icty_judgment.pdf
there is no doubt that in the eyes of the court the five convicted men were found guilty of directing a systematic campaign of ethnic cleansing by using the full force of the state against the Kosova Albanians. These people represented the crushing iron first of the Serbian state which fell mercilessly upon the Kosova Albanians. And, they were found guilty not of trying to quell a revolt, but of indescriminate use of force against a whole population; of trying to push Kosova Albanians away from Kosova in order to secure the edict of the Serbian state in that area.

The fact that no Serb politician will dare to say so speaks volumes and will, no doubt, will pointed out to the International Court as proof of the Kosova claim to independence.

Yeah I've see during the war how Pavkovic, Lazarevic, Lukic and Sainovic with kalasnikovs on hand killing people and departing them by them selves. Also I've see them how they loaded the freezers with a dad bodies and throw them in the rivers through out Serbia. These four guys have been a real superman. I wonder how they killed people by them self? Strange isn't it. Stop laying your people Minister, tell the truth at list one time in your life time. These guys are generals, vise prime ministers etc etc. I wonder what Serbia is, only a land where people don't rule it and whatever they do is based on individual did a? Be honest at list to your self Minister, you are young and you can not live the entire life in front of you in lies.

The disdain Jeremic has for the ICTY is obvious, what is not clear is how representative of the wider public opinion is it. He cannot see any link between this judgement and the forthcoming one of the independence of Kosova.

The disrespect for Albanians has rarely been as high as currenly in Serbia.
I think this Serb atitude towards Kosovo is the biggest asset for Kosovo-independence.
(Johny B., 28 February 2009 10:37)

Johny, give us some reasons why Serbia should have any respect for you?

Maurice

If killing witnesses and intimidating the rest plus destroying or withholding evidence is how courts operate on your planet can you please remain there.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people give any legitimacy to this NATO kangaroo court which has had one purpose,to put on trial the military and political leadership of the FRY because they had the audacity to defend their country against the new world order of America.

Yeah right, I have a question for his highness Mr Tadic, who elected those people to run your country? Or who elected you? The sooner Serbia starts to see the truth about the war and past situation in Kosova or Kosovo and Metohija as its called in Serbia the sooner the country and its people will move forward.

You should start to seriosly think about what happened to Kosova(o).. Most importantly the democraticaly elected goverment of late Mr Milosevic didn't try to communicate with then its citizens,of now Kosova. or set up any kind of negotiations.

How on earth can that be reversed??? Please somebody explain..As the current goverment too, as still not learn from pastmistakes of their predecessors.

Kosova is now being STRONGLY supported by the most powerfull nations on the planet, including its neighbours. I have read many posts on how Russia, and Chine ( I don't think China has such strong link with the Serbia) or even as mentioned earlier India and Brazil will reverse the situation. I think some of the posters in the B92 area have strongly underestimated the powers of the west..

Thnak you Mospyt for you link!

“The Chamber is not, however, convinced that murder, sexual assault, or the destruction or damage of religious property was within the common purpose, and only considers whether these crimes were reasonably foreseeable in the execution of the common purpose when addressing each of the Accused.

Being satisfied that there was such a common purpose among high-level officials in the FRY and Serbia who were in a position to execute it through the various forces under their control, the Chamber has analysed whether or not each of the Accused participated voluntarily in the joint criminal enterprise, made a significant contribution to it, and shared the intent to commit the crimes or underlying offences that were the object of the enterprise.

The Chamber is not satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that Milan Milutinović made a significant contribution to the joint criminal enterprise.”


Read again and again: “Being satisfied that there was [WAS] such a common purpose [murder, sexual assault, or the destruction or damage of religious property, from above] among high-level officials in the FRY and Serbia who were in a position to execute it through the various forces under their control [VJ and MUP]” (emphasis and [] added.)

This is more than clear that SERBIA organised and executed the massacres and terror in Kosova.

The second part of the extract of sentence above says only: now let’s quantify who was greater butcher and give them some years in jail.

Milutinovic was found a useful idiot.

The continuous denial of the responsibility and refusing to apologies to the Kosova’s people from the today’s “democratic” Serbia, beside the fact that the atrocities were found to be true by UN court, is the GRETEST proof that Kosova and Serbia will have nothing to do with each other.

I don’t know what JUSTICE would be any other decision of ICJ that will not go in this line.

That will NOT be a justice for any human being of common sense and love for JUSTICE.

I am sure that anyone with a bit of moral that aligned unconditionally with Serbia regarding Kosova, today is extremely embarrassed from the company in which she/he finds-put him/herself.

It's a terrible shame to see such comments from Serbia's foreign minister. They differ not at all from Kostunica's. Not only is this a disservice in terms of helping Serbia's citizens come to terms with what was done in their name by Serbian police and Yugoslav military between 1998 and 1999, but also in terms of Serbia's integration in the EU. The DS-led coalition was elected to bring Serbia closer to EU membership and this is not accomplished through the denial of an organised conspiracy involving the worst sort of crimes. Nor will Jeremic and Tadic's strategy of shifting to the right prevent a more extreme government coming to power should they fail to deliver on EU integration processes and the dinar continue to slide against the euro.

Ben@9

Peddle your biased propaganda if you must but at least don't add your words to quotations from a judgement.

If you read what you wrote you will see that what you put in brackets is the opposite of what the judgement says. It can only be concluded that what you extra words are a contrivance to deceive.

Serbia, as a state, was not found guilty. It was concluded that there was high level members of a regime that had a common purpose to alter the ethnic balance of Kosovo by violent means against a civilian population. NOT murder, sexual assault, or the destruction or damage of religious property. These things may have happened but were not part of the common purpose.

That was then and these people were rightly convicted. It was and is a terrible scar on Serbia but it was not Jeremic or Tadic or all the people of Serbia.

In writing this I do not mean to belittle the atrocities that happened. I am as disturbed and upset as anyone to hear of the shameful things that happened. Neither was that an excuse for crimes committed against Serb civilians. I believe something had to be done at the time to stop what was happening. However, it is 2009 not 1999 and it is time to stop demonizing Serbia.

This is the height of intolerance. The verdict is crystal clear that the state of Serbia is guilty for the crimes in Kosovo. When the top brass of the state (had Milosevic lived long enough to finish the trial he would have been found guilty as well) including the president, are found guilty by a group of international judges then it becomes clear that the state itself is guilty.

Mr. foreign minister accept responsibility and apologize to Kosovars and quit making arrogant gestures. I would expect such statements to come from the socialist and radical party of Serbia but I would never expect democrats of Serbia to deliberately support the men which are guilty of committing crimes in Kosovo. You are not doing Serbia any favors by denying your responsibility instead you are adding more fuel to the fire. When statements such as this are uttered out by a high ranking official then there is no doubt that the common people in Serbia think that Hague tribunal is biased.

Dragan,
Your da man! Your post explained the whole situation perfectly. Serbia is loved by all who know the truth and always stand in justice. Go Srbija! much love to Serbia from orange county, california

serbo-italy, Jeremic & Co,

Kosovars don´t care about your respect.

Nowdays they have their own QUAZI state.
It´s time for your leadership to come out with an apology for what you as a state and a nation did to kosovar, bosnian, hungarian and croation people.
You want to be EU members but still don´t even have the smallest regret for what you did. We are talking about a human lifes not cars, or buildings, or other objects.

Dragan, you are absolutely correct. The parrots can keep repeating whatever they please but it's not going to change the opinion of Serbians one iota.

When hundreds of thousands of Serbians were cleansed out of Croatia and our southern province the dictators still portrayed us as aggressors and even till this day hardly anything has been done to correct those crimes.

We simply lay in wait and when the opportunity presents itself, true justice will be served. Based on the rapid change of global influence, it doesn't seem that far away either.

I see a lot of desperation in the liberal american/albanian alliance these days. Their Kosovo game is falling apart and they grasp at any straw to keep it going. The us is going down every day: clinton was begging the Chinese to lend money to the us last week. The us stock market lost 40% in six months. By next year, Kosovo "independence" is gotov.

Johny, give us some reasons why Serbia should have any respect for you?
(italy, 28 February 2009 14:01)

Thank you italy for your post.

It is extremely clear and common in Serbia.

It shows to us that not teh respect but even the love from Serbia should be immediately and without any hesitation REFUSED.

Dear # 11.
Your comment really speaks for you, your character and shows the spirit of Mr. Jermics words.
If you didn't mean it just to offend, Respect is tought by parents to children.

>> "The ruling means nothing to Serbs. We don't recognize any decision from this political kangaroo court because it is not a real court and has nothing to do with TRUTH or JUSTICE."

Dragan,m who's "we" ? Serbia has signed the treaties and a world court decision is binding. Just ask the ones found guilty...they are in jail right now. If they rule that Serbia must pay an amount, Serbia will have to comply, or other states will confiscate properties. The law matters.

Jeremic is doing Albanian one more huge favor: by denying, and not apologizing it makes our ICJ case even easier.

Commentator @17 says:

'We Serbs know this, and we have this thing called 'Inat', or spite. You are going to feel the venom of this inat more and more these days.'

The word 'inat' is not specific to Serbs. It means 'persistance' in Turkish and 'grudge' in Albanian. So, inat is something Albanians know about and do not get scared either, as some people may have learned by now in Serbia.

So “Mr” Johnny B.

What happens when the parents are criminals?

If Thaci is the father of Kosovo, bringing them independence....I am very concerned for the future of the UK, considering our uneducated ignorant do-gooders would love to let these “respect tutored kosovans” into the EU.

@Dragan:
If you don't recognize and respect the rulings of the so called "fake court" then why did you ask its opinion on the Kosovo independence???

Jeremic is having a hard time convincing not just other Serbs but himself as well that the NATO stalinist show trial is a legitimate non-western-payed-for court and not about justifying Western war crimes in their colonial ambitions in the Balkans.

(Andy, 28 February 2009 16:43)

Andy, beside that you don't say nothing about what I am twisting (even that I reference is correct under any kind of profile) you MISS deliberately to comment on the FACT that the DNIAL is present among our Serbian friends here in b92 and Serbia in general and among the Serbian Authorities.

And to use the words of someone here:

Authorities of a State= the STATE.

State is alive when her authorities can perform in HER name.

Serbia even today is DENYING any responsibility from the mouth of her HIGHEST Authorities (Jeremic is not speaking as Mr Jeremic but as Serbian Minister of Foreign Affairs- just as when the war criminals were taking their criminal actions in Kosova they were ordering the atrocities in their INSTITUTIONAL CAPACITY NOT in personal name) and by her citizens that you can see by yourself here in b92 or in any other Serbian blog/journal eg Politika.

@Dragan:
If you don't recognize and respect the rulings of the so called "fake court" then why did you ask its opinion on the Kosovo independence???
(anybody, 28 February 2009 22:23)

The Hague Tribunal is a show trial court and not signatory to all nations of the world. It is funded by private investors including the Soros Foundation and not by the UN. (That will be drying up soon with the collapse of the markets) You can be sure the IMF will not fund a kangaroo court.

The ICJ is a true international court signatory by most nations except the US for obvious reasons. (Guantanomo Bay for one)

Ben@19

Sorry, I didn't understand anything of what you said. Serbia was not on trial. Look at the mirror, maybe you are not so different from certain contributers on the "other side"

Alban.
The law matters you say,it didn,t matter to NATO when they were bombing the FRY the only law they follow is the law of the jungle.

@ NO.14
"Kosovars do not need your respect...Nowadays they have their own QUAZI-state..."
A state is a state. A quasi state seems to be a state,but not really...
Can't be a little pregnant-you're either pregnant or not.
On a more serious note, a chilly, sobering reminder to you:what happened to quasi independent Republic of Slovakia in 1945?

Of course it is the people and not Serbia. However, there are many people who want to blame Serbia and its people for everything. I'm sure Serbs are responsible for the global financial crisis, traffic accidents, the death of elderly people in Fiji and any number of other things. Serbs have been punished disproportionately during and since the Balkan wars. I'm discussing the average Serb here, not just the military or others. After the Kosovo crisis, Serbia was bombed for 78 days. Innocent Serbs who had absolutely nothing to do with the war were punished. The country's infrastructure was destroyed, not just disrupting energy to normal people, but also polluting the entire region. Further, hospitals and other non-military buildings were destroyed. In addition to the bombing, Serbia was under an economic embargo for years. Again, the people hurt the worst were the average people, most of whom would probably be friends with Albanians, Bosnians, Croats, and Americans. That's the problem here. Serbs were already punished enough. The death toll in Kosovo was about 10,000 people. The death toll in Bosnia was about 100,000 people, and these death tolls included people from all sides. Bosnian Muslims, Croats, and Kosovo's Albanians committed many terrible crimes against Serbs too, yet none of them had to pay for their crimes. I'm sure to the average Albanian in Kosovo, the belief is that the Serbs got what they deserved and it was actually their fault that they were killed. That's false logic, when a person kills, regardless of the motive, that person is a killer. Thus, if a Serbian soldier killed an Albanian person, and an Albanian person sought revenge against the Serb and killed the Serb, the Serb soldier is guilty of the initial crime and the Albanian killer is equally guilty of his crime. Crime is crime. Thus we get to the end of this blurb. Jeramic is being very humble in accepting the verdict and cooperating with the Hague even though too many criminals like Oric have been released without a fair trial. Serbs are bitter and they are justly bitter. I praise Mr Jeramic for his hard work in this uphill fight against seemingly insurmountable odds. Well, he is climbing the wall and soon he will get to the other side. I'm all with my man!

The verdict has been very clear and has pointed out Serb responsibility on what happened. There might be changes in Serb politics, but not towards Kosovo and Albanians. Only Serbias scope of action has changed, since there is NATO in Kosovo. Every progress in Kosovo has been antagonized by Serbia. I can not see anything the Milosevic government could have done differently under this new reality. The disrespect for Albanians has rarely been as high as currenly in Serbia.
I think this Serb atitude towards Kosovo is the biggest asset for Kosovo-independence.

The disrespect for Albanians has rarely been as high as currenly in Serbia.
I think this Serb atitude towards Kosovo is the biggest asset for Kosovo-independence.
(Johny B., 28 February 2009 10:37)

Johny, give us some reasons why Serbia should have any respect for you?

Mr. Jeremic, where I come from, people are convicted or acquitted on the basis of evidence. I have followed many cases in The Hague and it very clear why Milutinovic was acquitted and Pavkovic, Lukic, Sainovic et al were convicted. The evidence showed that they were part of a criminal conspiracy and Milutinovic was not. Similarly the evidence against Haradinaj was in the words of the judges "vague, inconclusive or non-existent". Now, you say the evidence did exist because Belgrade supplied it. The problem is that Belgrade's evidence proved to be untruthful. I haven't studied the Oric case so I won't comment on it. You, Mr. Jeremic, don't want your prejudices to be disturbed by studying any of the cases. You are a force for regression.

Yeah I've see during the war how Pavkovic, Lazarevic, Lukic and Sainovic with kalasnikovs on hand killing people and departing them by them selves. Also I've see them how they loaded the freezers with a dad bodies and throw them in the rivers through out Serbia. These four guys have been a real superman. I wonder how they killed people by them self? Strange isn't it. Stop laying your people Minister, tell the truth at list one time in your life time. These guys are generals, vise prime ministers etc etc. I wonder what Serbia is, only a land where people don't rule it and whatever they do is based on individual did a? Be honest at list to your self Minister, you are young and you can not live the entire life in front of you in lies.

Jeremic comments are pathetic trying to justify Serbian state of Milosevic. His statement tells to the world that "we are the sons of Milosevic" and "it is extremely unlikely we we change".

Serbia need to distance itself from his horrendous regime and not only with words by with deeds.

Serbia army went to Kosova and an army is part of state. Jeremic should know that but blantly doesn't want to accept that.

He is trying to compare the crimes commited by Serbian state towards Albanian with those that might have been committed by KLA. Let's not mention the wars in Bosnia Herzegovina and Croatia......

The disdain Jeremic has for the ICTY is obvious, what is not clear is how representative of the wider public opinion is it. He cannot see any link between this judgement and the forthcoming one of the independence of Kosova.

Nice try Jeremic. However, if one reads the summary of the ICTY Judgement here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/26_02_09_icty_judgment.pdf
there is no doubt that in the eyes of the court the five convicted men were found guilty of directing a systematic campaign of ethnic cleansing by using the full force of the state against the Kosova Albanians. These people represented the crushing iron first of the Serbian state which fell mercilessly upon the Kosova Albanians. And, they were found guilty not of trying to quell a revolt, but of indescriminate use of force against a whole population; of trying to push Kosova Albanians away from Kosova in order to secure the edict of the Serbian state in that area.

The fact that no Serb politician will dare to say so speaks volumes and will, no doubt, will pointed out to the International Court as proof of the Kosova claim to independence.

Yeah right, I have a question for his highness Mr Tadic, who elected those people to run your country? Or who elected you? The sooner Serbia starts to see the truth about the war and past situation in Kosova or Kosovo and Metohija as its called in Serbia the sooner the country and its people will move forward.

You should start to seriosly think about what happened to Kosova(o).. Most importantly the democraticaly elected goverment of late Mr Milosevic didn't try to communicate with then its citizens,of now Kosova. or set up any kind of negotiations.

How on earth can that be reversed??? Please somebody explain..As the current goverment too, as still not learn from pastmistakes of their predecessors.

Kosova is now being STRONGLY supported by the most powerfull nations on the planet, including its neighbours. I have read many posts on how Russia, and Chine ( I don't think China has such strong link with the Serbia) or even as mentioned earlier India and Brazil will reverse the situation. I think some of the posters in the B92 area have strongly underestimated the powers of the west..

It's a terrible shame to see such comments from Serbia's foreign minister. They differ not at all from Kostunica's. Not only is this a disservice in terms of helping Serbia's citizens come to terms with what was done in their name by Serbian police and Yugoslav military between 1998 and 1999, but also in terms of Serbia's integration in the EU. The DS-led coalition was elected to bring Serbia closer to EU membership and this is not accomplished through the denial of an organised conspiracy involving the worst sort of crimes. Nor will Jeremic and Tadic's strategy of shifting to the right prevent a more extreme government coming to power should they fail to deliver on EU integration processes and the dinar continue to slide against the euro.

Thnak you Mospyt for you link!

“The Chamber is not, however, convinced that murder, sexual assault, or the destruction or damage of religious property was within the common purpose, and only considers whether these crimes were reasonably foreseeable in the execution of the common purpose when addressing each of the Accused.

Being satisfied that there was such a common purpose among high-level officials in the FRY and Serbia who were in a position to execute it through the various forces under their control, the Chamber has analysed whether or not each of the Accused participated voluntarily in the joint criminal enterprise, made a significant contribution to it, and shared the intent to commit the crimes or underlying offences that were the object of the enterprise.

The Chamber is not satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that Milan Milutinović made a significant contribution to the joint criminal enterprise.”


Read again and again: “Being satisfied that there was [WAS] such a common purpose [murder, sexual assault, or the destruction or damage of religious property, from above] among high-level officials in the FRY and Serbia who were in a position to execute it through the various forces under their control [VJ and MUP]” (emphasis and [] added.)

This is more than clear that SERBIA organised and executed the massacres and terror in Kosova.

The second part of the extract of sentence above says only: now let’s quantify who was greater butcher and give them some years in jail.

Milutinovic was found a useful idiot.

The continuous denial of the responsibility and refusing to apologies to the Kosova’s people from the today’s “democratic” Serbia, beside the fact that the atrocities were found to be true by UN court, is the GRETEST proof that Kosova and Serbia will have nothing to do with each other.

I don’t know what JUSTICE would be any other decision of ICJ that will not go in this line.

That will NOT be a justice for any human being of common sense and love for JUSTICE.

I am sure that anyone with a bit of moral that aligned unconditionally with Serbia regarding Kosova, today is extremely embarrassed from the company in which she/he finds-put him/herself.

Maurice

If killing witnesses and intimidating the rest plus destroying or withholding evidence is how courts operate on your planet can you please remain there.

To all albanians and other Serb-bashers on here:

The ruling means nothing to Serbs. We don't recognize any decision from this political kangaroo court because it is not a real court and has nothing to do with TRUTH or JUSTICE.
I won't get into details, but Nasir Oric bragged about his attrocities to a reporter from the Toronto Star, and even showed video footage of his attrocities, and he was still set free. Why? Because the whole purpose of the Hague is to rewrite history and the make the aggressors (Germany, US, NATO, Croatia, KLA terrorists...)look like victims, and the victims (Serbs) look like aggressors.
So please, save us your anti-Serb drivel and simpleton view of the universe. We DON'T CARE what the Hague or 'civilized Europe' thinks, because they have shown they are neither truthfull nor civilized.
Serbia has a proud history of how it treats minorities and have never been aggressors like our neighbours have. Serbia is getting punished because the colonialists, or imperialists if you will, do not like the fact that we want to be free and independent. They want us to be bootlicking servants just like all our neighbours, and we are setting a bad example for other 'small' nations of the world.
We Serbs know this, and we have this thing called 'Inat', or spite. You are going to feel the venom of this inat more and more these days.
Cheers!!

>> "The ruling means nothing to Serbs. We don't recognize any decision from this political kangaroo court because it is not a real court and has nothing to do with TRUTH or JUSTICE."

Dragan,m who's "we" ? Serbia has signed the treaties and a world court decision is binding. Just ask the ones found guilty...they are in jail right now. If they rule that Serbia must pay an amount, Serbia will have to comply, or other states will confiscate properties. The law matters.

Jeremic is doing Albanian one more huge favor: by denying, and not apologizing it makes our ICJ case even easier.

serbo-italy, Jeremic & Co,

Kosovars don´t care about your respect.

Nowdays they have their own QUAZI state.
It´s time for your leadership to come out with an apology for what you as a state and a nation did to kosovar, bosnian, hungarian and croation people.
You want to be EU members but still don´t even have the smallest regret for what you did. We are talking about a human lifes not cars, or buildings, or other objects.

@Dragan:
If you don't recognize and respect the rulings of the so called "fake court" then why did you ask its opinion on the Kosovo independence???

This is the height of intolerance. The verdict is crystal clear that the state of Serbia is guilty for the crimes in Kosovo. When the top brass of the state (had Milosevic lived long enough to finish the trial he would have been found guilty as well) including the president, are found guilty by a group of international judges then it becomes clear that the state itself is guilty.

Mr. foreign minister accept responsibility and apologize to Kosovars and quit making arrogant gestures. I would expect such statements to come from the socialist and radical party of Serbia but I would never expect democrats of Serbia to deliberately support the men which are guilty of committing crimes in Kosovo. You are not doing Serbia any favors by denying your responsibility instead you are adding more fuel to the fire. When statements such as this are uttered out by a high ranking official then there is no doubt that the common people in Serbia think that Hague tribunal is biased.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people give any legitimacy to this NATO kangaroo court which has had one purpose,to put on trial the military and political leadership of the FRY because they had the audacity to defend their country against the new world order of America.

Dear # 11.
Your comment really speaks for you, your character and shows the spirit of Mr. Jermics words.
If you didn't mean it just to offend, Respect is tought by parents to children.

Johny, give us some reasons why Serbia should have any respect for you?
(italy, 28 February 2009 14:01)

Thank you italy for your post.

It is extremely clear and common in Serbia.

It shows to us that not teh respect but even the love from Serbia should be immediately and without any hesitation REFUSED.

(Andy, 28 February 2009 16:43)

Andy, beside that you don't say nothing about what I am twisting (even that I reference is correct under any kind of profile) you MISS deliberately to comment on the FACT that the DNIAL is present among our Serbian friends here in b92 and Serbia in general and among the Serbian Authorities.

And to use the words of someone here:

Authorities of a State= the STATE.

State is alive when her authorities can perform in HER name.

Serbia even today is DENYING any responsibility from the mouth of her HIGHEST Authorities (Jeremic is not speaking as Mr Jeremic but as Serbian Minister of Foreign Affairs- just as when the war criminals were taking their criminal actions in Kosova they were ordering the atrocities in their INSTITUTIONAL CAPACITY NOT in personal name) and by her citizens that you can see by yourself here in b92 or in any other Serbian blog/journal eg Politika.

Ben@9

Peddle your biased propaganda if you must but at least don't add your words to quotations from a judgement.

If you read what you wrote you will see that what you put in brackets is the opposite of what the judgement says. It can only be concluded that what you extra words are a contrivance to deceive.

Serbia, as a state, was not found guilty. It was concluded that there was high level members of a regime that had a common purpose to alter the ethnic balance of Kosovo by violent means against a civilian population. NOT murder, sexual assault, or the destruction or damage of religious property. These things may have happened but were not part of the common purpose.

That was then and these people were rightly convicted. It was and is a terrible scar on Serbia but it was not Jeremic or Tadic or all the people of Serbia.

In writing this I do not mean to belittle the atrocities that happened. I am as disturbed and upset as anyone to hear of the shameful things that happened. Neither was that an excuse for crimes committed against Serb civilians. I believe something had to be done at the time to stop what was happening. However, it is 2009 not 1999 and it is time to stop demonizing Serbia.

Commentator @17 says:

'We Serbs know this, and we have this thing called 'Inat', or spite. You are going to feel the venom of this inat more and more these days.'

The word 'inat' is not specific to Serbs. It means 'persistance' in Turkish and 'grudge' in Albanian. So, inat is something Albanians know about and do not get scared either, as some people may have learned by now in Serbia.

Dragan, you are absolutely correct. The parrots can keep repeating whatever they please but it's not going to change the opinion of Serbians one iota.

When hundreds of thousands of Serbians were cleansed out of Croatia and our southern province the dictators still portrayed us as aggressors and even till this day hardly anything has been done to correct those crimes.

We simply lay in wait and when the opportunity presents itself, true justice will be served. Based on the rapid change of global influence, it doesn't seem that far away either.

I see a lot of desperation in the liberal american/albanian alliance these days. Their Kosovo game is falling apart and they grasp at any straw to keep it going. The us is going down every day: clinton was begging the Chinese to lend money to the us last week. The us stock market lost 40% in six months. By next year, Kosovo "independence" is gotov.

@ NO.14
"Kosovars do not need your respect...Nowadays they have their own QUAZI-state..."
A state is a state. A quasi state seems to be a state,but not really...
Can't be a little pregnant-you're either pregnant or not.
On a more serious note, a chilly, sobering reminder to you:what happened to quasi independent Republic of Slovakia in 1945?

Dragan,
Your da man! Your post explained the whole situation perfectly. Serbia is loved by all who know the truth and always stand in justice. Go Srbija! much love to Serbia from orange county, california

So “Mr” Johnny B.

What happens when the parents are criminals?

If Thaci is the father of Kosovo, bringing them independence....I am very concerned for the future of the UK, considering our uneducated ignorant do-gooders would love to let these “respect tutored kosovans” into the EU.

@Dragan:
If you don't recognize and respect the rulings of the so called "fake court" then why did you ask its opinion on the Kosovo independence???
(anybody, 28 February 2009 22:23)

The Hague Tribunal is a show trial court and not signatory to all nations of the world. It is funded by private investors including the Soros Foundation and not by the UN. (That will be drying up soon with the collapse of the markets) You can be sure the IMF will not fund a kangaroo court.

The ICJ is a true international court signatory by most nations except the US for obvious reasons. (Guantanomo Bay for one)

Alban.
The law matters you say,it didn,t matter to NATO when they were bombing the FRY the only law they follow is the law of the jungle.

Ben@19

Sorry, I didn't understand anything of what you said. Serbia was not on trial. Look at the mirror, maybe you are not so different from certain contributers on the "other side"

Jeremic is having a hard time convincing not just other Serbs but himself as well that the NATO stalinist show trial is a legitimate non-western-payed-for court and not about justifying Western war crimes in their colonial ambitions in the Balkans.

Of course it is the people and not Serbia. However, there are many people who want to blame Serbia and its people for everything. I'm sure Serbs are responsible for the global financial crisis, traffic accidents, the death of elderly people in Fiji and any number of other things. Serbs have been punished disproportionately during and since the Balkan wars. I'm discussing the average Serb here, not just the military or others. After the Kosovo crisis, Serbia was bombed for 78 days. Innocent Serbs who had absolutely nothing to do with the war were punished. The country's infrastructure was destroyed, not just disrupting energy to normal people, but also polluting the entire region. Further, hospitals and other non-military buildings were destroyed. In addition to the bombing, Serbia was under an economic embargo for years. Again, the people hurt the worst were the average people, most of whom would probably be friends with Albanians, Bosnians, Croats, and Americans. That's the problem here. Serbs were already punished enough. The death toll in Kosovo was about 10,000 people. The death toll in Bosnia was about 100,000 people, and these death tolls included people from all sides. Bosnian Muslims, Croats, and Kosovo's Albanians committed many terrible crimes against Serbs too, yet none of them had to pay for their crimes. I'm sure to the average Albanian in Kosovo, the belief is that the Serbs got what they deserved and it was actually their fault that they were killed. That's false logic, when a person kills, regardless of the motive, that person is a killer. Thus, if a Serbian soldier killed an Albanian person, and an Albanian person sought revenge against the Serb and killed the Serb, the Serb soldier is guilty of the initial crime and the Albanian killer is equally guilty of his crime. Crime is crime. Thus we get to the end of this blurb. Jeramic is being very humble in accepting the verdict and cooperating with the Hague even though too many criminals like Oric have been released without a fair trial. Serbs are bitter and they are justly bitter. I praise Mr Jeramic for his hard work in this uphill fight against seemingly insurmountable odds. Well, he is climbing the wall and soon he will get to the other side. I'm all with my man!