Former Pres. Milutinović returns to Serbia

“Regardless of the disagreements, we principally support the Hague Tribunal and believe every individual and criminal has his own first and last name,” said Cvetković.

Be honest Mirko and tell everyone why you support the Hague. You support it because you are a government of minions who were put in place by the very same people who are trying to rape Serbia.
I am so sick of sycophants in the Serbian government. New elections please.
The Hague is anti-Serb sham, propoganda tool, and an abomination which has nothing to do with truth and justice, and no Serb should recognize it.

It seems that the Serbian state is prepared to sacrifice many of its former political and military leaders in some forlorn hope that the West will be nice to the country at some indeterminate time in the future. It is a very poor foundation on which to try to build prosperity and serves only to demoralise the people. Shameful.

I am sure he is glad to be free, but he also has to remember that the court said yes these crimes did occur, and yes there were part of a national plan. But he was even as president so insignificant in his job he could not be held accountable for them.

'The judgement against the six is largely seen by Serbian and foreign officials as a political process.' What does this mean? Serbian officials can see is as such, but let's be clear what happened.

Five of the most senior officials of the army, police and ministry of interior were found guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Serbian troops under their command during the conflict in Kosova. Milutinovic was acquited because he was mainly a figurehead president and the orders were coming from Milosevic.

By its verdict, The Hague tribunal denounced the crimes perpetrated in Kosova by the Serbian state. If the current Serb officials consider this verdict as a political process it means they have not moved on from the mentality which caused the war in the first place. They are shooting themselves in the foot as their stand aids the Albanian argument that despite the change of regime, the government in Belgrade is pursuing the same policy towards Kosova Albanian but through different means.

And finally, who are the foreign officials that largely see this verdict as being politically motivated? The Russians possibly!

It is strange that the Tribunal came to a conclusion (in its verdict) that Albanian citizens in Kosovo were not affraid of Nato bombing. Consediring the number of Albanian civilians who were killed by those bombs, and the target range, this conclusion set the new standards of human logic and psychology.

Well I must admit I did not really follow the case but I will say this.

If those men were guilty then I have no regrets that they were sentenced. My problem is universal principle - that is that Haradinaj, Oric, Milosevic, Pavkovic or an alien from outer space receives the same trial with no bias or unfairness. I must say that I strongly believe that Haradinaj was let off, either through corruption or incompetence its not important, and that his men comitted war crimes and that he threatened witnesses, but yet he was set free.

This universal standard principle is the chief problem, we can argue about jurisdiction, about NATO crimes on civilians (also part of universal standard) etc until the cows come home. However, a minimum universal standard for at least all peoples of the former Jugoslavija MUST be applied. And I believe it has not. That hurts me as a human being and one must attempt to understand the feelings of Serbs at least at this level.

Regarding the men involved, personally I am glad that Milutinovic was acquited. It was the correct decision, he was known to be a lame duck president. Of course relatively decent men like him not doing more to oppose standards of human dignity is a minus regarding his behaviour. But his was more of a moral failing than a crime.

I also feel a slightly sorry for Lukic who was assured he would not be prosecuted by the US, but was anyway. If Djindjic had not been murdered that promise might have been honoured, however, that doesn't change the fact that Lukic had no scruples in shifting from one political philosophy to another. Again that moral weakness. For Pavkovic I have no sympathy, he swapped political patrons a dozen times for maximum political benefit and deserved to be caught out.... Again let me state this is just a personal comment, I didn't follow the trial so I am not talking about their guilt or lack of for the charges they were accused of.

Lets hope that this process brings all of us closer to some brighter future.

Let's put it this way, no western leader would ever allow themselves to be put in front of such a court. Hence the ICC having a completely different basis.

The ICTY is temporary in nature, to 'tidy up', cross all the boxes and confirm the (non-existent) moral authority of the west and inform us about history - though only regarding the territory of the ex-SFRY, not the actions of any of the outside states who sponsored with money, weapons etc. the belligerents.

According to the court, NATO's action, its members had no bearing on events in Kosovo, not even the the KVM who spent their time collecting target data nor the likes of 'impartial' politicians who fixed the stakes.

Appendix B of the Rambouillet agreement is irrelevant, 'war of agression' which the ICTY accuses the serbs of in bosnia as a war crime yet is OK when their sugar daddies do it.

Fuelling a conflict, being in a position to influence or stop war crimes is only relevant to the ex-SFRY states, not those outside it.

The US can sponsor 'private' military advisors like the company MPRI who are basically a front company for the Pentagon to pimp up the croatian military with german weapons, satellite information etc. who then go on to commit war crimes and ethnic cleansing, but that is OK. Even Gotovina gets a main lawyer with very close links with the Pentagon.

The ICTY is a rotten court, run and paid for by rotten people and will be seen as rotten in the history books. It is so rotten that no-one anywhere except maybe in some dictatorship somewhere would ever seek to emulate it. Now that really is something to be proud of!

Tom, you're right. If the world was going to view Serbia's gesture as honourable and wanting to do the right thing then perhaps you might even understand what this regime is doing, but since it will be viewed as only Serbs committed crimes (or most of them) then this is a horrible move.

This only validates western propaganda against the Serbs.
No other country is willing to hand over their criminals and thus stipulating that they don't have any or not many. This naturally makes them look like the victims, while Serbia is willing to sell her soul to make up with the west.

You don't make up with the west by grovelling. They will only demonize you even more because you are now acknowledging that you were the only people who committed crimes.

While the rest are standing defiant, Serbia must also. Even more, in my opinion as the real crimes were committed against the Serbs and not the other way around.

NO JUSTICE AT THE ICTY FOR SERBS

The International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) was founded by the proponents of western intervention in Yugoslavia in the 1990s. It was based on the UN Security Council resolution, and some jurists therefore deny its legitimacy. They claim that it should have been founded by the General Assembly and not by the UNSC under Chapter 7 of the Charter. In Serbia ’s case, the ICTY embodies a systematic and premeditated manipulation of the judicial process in order to justify political decisions which had been made in advance of the indictments.



Over the years ICTY has been used as a tool of quasi-judicial cover for western intervention. In particular it has been used as a means of collectively branding the Serbs as the guilty party in the various conflicts, primarily in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Kosovo, but also in Croatia , on the basis of the "joint criminal conspiracy," which allegedly had the objective of creating a Greater Serbia.

Historian and political analysts Dr. Srdja Trifkovic explains in his interview for CKCU 93.1 FM in Ottawa that this concept of collective responsibility has meant that from the very top, from Slobodan Milosevic downwards, each and every member of the Serbian military, police, or security services was potentially involved and therefore culpable as part of the "joint criminal conspiracy."

“We have witnessed at The Hague a systematic and premeditated manipulation of the judicial process in order to justify political decisions which had been made in advance of the indictments”, said Trifkovic. “The indictment against former Serbian president Milosevic, for instance, was made public at the heights of NATO bombing of Serbia 10 years ago, and it was retroactively used as a means of justifying the bombing campaign itself.”

The latest ICTY verdict on February 26 shows that no Serb has ever had a fair trial at The Hague . The Tribunal has found four Serbian generals and deputy prime minister of Yugoslavia guilty of ordering a "systematic campaign of terror and violence" against Kosovo Albanians in the 1990s. Only Former Serbian President Milan Milutinovic was acquitted.

“There's far less to Milutinovic's acquittal than meets the eye. The ICTY has been under some EU pressure in recent months (prompted by the need to keep pressure on Belgrade over Mladic) to assert its "even-handedness" by deviating from its standard practice of giving slap-on-the-wrist sentences to such blatant butchers like Nasir Oric, war criminal-extraordinaire and the wartime commander of the Srebrenica Muslim garrison, or Rasim Delic, the chief of staff of the Bosnian Muslim Army; not to mention the shameful acquittal of Ramush Haradinai, one of the most notorious KLA commanders in Kosovo,” Trifkovic reiterated.

The ICTY let Milutinovic go, but his 5 other co-defendants got 15-22 yrs, including the great and good Gen. Sreten Lazarevic.

“Particularly unjust is the sentence passed on Gen. Lazarevic,” Trifkovic said, “who was a true soldier. If he was guilty of anything, he was 'guilty' of removing civilians from the zones of military operations in the same way as, for example, the US field commanders routinely removed Vietnamese civilian population from the areas of intense fighting. In The Hague narrative, things that would be considered normal and matter-of-course military necessity when carried out by US field commanders -- whether in Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan -- are regarded uniquely culpable and even criminal when some Serbs are at involved. The collective Serb guilt has been reiterated, while at the same time Milutinovic's release supposedly proves ICTY's ‘impartiality’", concluded Trifkovic.

'The judgement against the six is largely seen by Serbian and foreign officials as a political process.' What does this mean? Serbian officials can see is as such, but let's be clear what happened.

Five of the most senior officials of the army, police and ministry of interior were found guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Serbian troops under their command during the conflict in Kosova. Milutinovic was acquited because he was mainly a figurehead president and the orders were coming from Milosevic.

By its verdict, The Hague tribunal denounced the crimes perpetrated in Kosova by the Serbian state. If the current Serb officials consider this verdict as a political process it means they have not moved on from the mentality which caused the war in the first place. They are shooting themselves in the foot as their stand aids the Albanian argument that despite the change of regime, the government in Belgrade is pursuing the same policy towards Kosova Albanian but through different means.

And finally, who are the foreign officials that largely see this verdict as being politically motivated? The Russians possibly!

I am sure he is glad to be free, but he also has to remember that the court said yes these crimes did occur, and yes there were part of a national plan. But he was even as president so insignificant in his job he could not be held accountable for them.

“Regardless of the disagreements, we principally support the Hague Tribunal and believe every individual and criminal has his own first and last name,” said Cvetković.

Be honest Mirko and tell everyone why you support the Hague. You support it because you are a government of minions who were put in place by the very same people who are trying to rape Serbia.
I am so sick of sycophants in the Serbian government. New elections please.
The Hague is anti-Serb sham, propoganda tool, and an abomination which has nothing to do with truth and justice, and no Serb should recognize it.

It is strange that the Tribunal came to a conclusion (in its verdict) that Albanian citizens in Kosovo were not affraid of Nato bombing. Consediring the number of Albanian civilians who were killed by those bombs, and the target range, this conclusion set the new standards of human logic and psychology.

Well I must admit I did not really follow the case but I will say this.

If those men were guilty then I have no regrets that they were sentenced. My problem is universal principle - that is that Haradinaj, Oric, Milosevic, Pavkovic or an alien from outer space receives the same trial with no bias or unfairness. I must say that I strongly believe that Haradinaj was let off, either through corruption or incompetence its not important, and that his men comitted war crimes and that he threatened witnesses, but yet he was set free.

This universal standard principle is the chief problem, we can argue about jurisdiction, about NATO crimes on civilians (also part of universal standard) etc until the cows come home. However, a minimum universal standard for at least all peoples of the former Jugoslavija MUST be applied. And I believe it has not. That hurts me as a human being and one must attempt to understand the feelings of Serbs at least at this level.

Regarding the men involved, personally I am glad that Milutinovic was acquited. It was the correct decision, he was known to be a lame duck president. Of course relatively decent men like him not doing more to oppose standards of human dignity is a minus regarding his behaviour. But his was more of a moral failing than a crime.

I also feel a slightly sorry for Lukic who was assured he would not be prosecuted by the US, but was anyway. If Djindjic had not been murdered that promise might have been honoured, however, that doesn't change the fact that Lukic had no scruples in shifting from one political philosophy to another. Again that moral weakness. For Pavkovic I have no sympathy, he swapped political patrons a dozen times for maximum political benefit and deserved to be caught out.... Again let me state this is just a personal comment, I didn't follow the trial so I am not talking about their guilt or lack of for the charges they were accused of.

Lets hope that this process brings all of us closer to some brighter future.

It seems that the Serbian state is prepared to sacrifice many of its former political and military leaders in some forlorn hope that the West will be nice to the country at some indeterminate time in the future. It is a very poor foundation on which to try to build prosperity and serves only to demoralise the people. Shameful.

Tom, you're right. If the world was going to view Serbia's gesture as honourable and wanting to do the right thing then perhaps you might even understand what this regime is doing, but since it will be viewed as only Serbs committed crimes (or most of them) then this is a horrible move.

This only validates western propaganda against the Serbs.
No other country is willing to hand over their criminals and thus stipulating that they don't have any or not many. This naturally makes them look like the victims, while Serbia is willing to sell her soul to make up with the west.

You don't make up with the west by grovelling. They will only demonize you even more because you are now acknowledging that you were the only people who committed crimes.

While the rest are standing defiant, Serbia must also. Even more, in my opinion as the real crimes were committed against the Serbs and not the other way around.

Let's put it this way, no western leader would ever allow themselves to be put in front of such a court. Hence the ICC having a completely different basis.

The ICTY is temporary in nature, to 'tidy up', cross all the boxes and confirm the (non-existent) moral authority of the west and inform us about history - though only regarding the territory of the ex-SFRY, not the actions of any of the outside states who sponsored with money, weapons etc. the belligerents.

According to the court, NATO's action, its members had no bearing on events in Kosovo, not even the the KVM who spent their time collecting target data nor the likes of 'impartial' politicians who fixed the stakes.

Appendix B of the Rambouillet agreement is irrelevant, 'war of agression' which the ICTY accuses the serbs of in bosnia as a war crime yet is OK when their sugar daddies do it.

Fuelling a conflict, being in a position to influence or stop war crimes is only relevant to the ex-SFRY states, not those outside it.

The US can sponsor 'private' military advisors like the company MPRI who are basically a front company for the Pentagon to pimp up the croatian military with german weapons, satellite information etc. who then go on to commit war crimes and ethnic cleansing, but that is OK. Even Gotovina gets a main lawyer with very close links with the Pentagon.

The ICTY is a rotten court, run and paid for by rotten people and will be seen as rotten in the history books. It is so rotten that no-one anywhere except maybe in some dictatorship somewhere would ever seek to emulate it. Now that really is something to be proud of!

NO JUSTICE AT THE ICTY FOR SERBS

The International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) was founded by the proponents of western intervention in Yugoslavia in the 1990s. It was based on the UN Security Council resolution, and some jurists therefore deny its legitimacy. They claim that it should have been founded by the General Assembly and not by the UNSC under Chapter 7 of the Charter. In Serbia ’s case, the ICTY embodies a systematic and premeditated manipulation of the judicial process in order to justify political decisions which had been made in advance of the indictments.



Over the years ICTY has been used as a tool of quasi-judicial cover for western intervention. In particular it has been used as a means of collectively branding the Serbs as the guilty party in the various conflicts, primarily in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Kosovo, but also in Croatia , on the basis of the "joint criminal conspiracy," which allegedly had the objective of creating a Greater Serbia.

Historian and political analysts Dr. Srdja Trifkovic explains in his interview for CKCU 93.1 FM in Ottawa that this concept of collective responsibility has meant that from the very top, from Slobodan Milosevic downwards, each and every member of the Serbian military, police, or security services was potentially involved and therefore culpable as part of the "joint criminal conspiracy."

“We have witnessed at The Hague a systematic and premeditated manipulation of the judicial process in order to justify political decisions which had been made in advance of the indictments”, said Trifkovic. “The indictment against former Serbian president Milosevic, for instance, was made public at the heights of NATO bombing of Serbia 10 years ago, and it was retroactively used as a means of justifying the bombing campaign itself.”

The latest ICTY verdict on February 26 shows that no Serb has ever had a fair trial at The Hague . The Tribunal has found four Serbian generals and deputy prime minister of Yugoslavia guilty of ordering a "systematic campaign of terror and violence" against Kosovo Albanians in the 1990s. Only Former Serbian President Milan Milutinovic was acquitted.

“There's far less to Milutinovic's acquittal than meets the eye. The ICTY has been under some EU pressure in recent months (prompted by the need to keep pressure on Belgrade over Mladic) to assert its "even-handedness" by deviating from its standard practice of giving slap-on-the-wrist sentences to such blatant butchers like Nasir Oric, war criminal-extraordinaire and the wartime commander of the Srebrenica Muslim garrison, or Rasim Delic, the chief of staff of the Bosnian Muslim Army; not to mention the shameful acquittal of Ramush Haradinai, one of the most notorious KLA commanders in Kosovo,” Trifkovic reiterated.

The ICTY let Milutinovic go, but his 5 other co-defendants got 15-22 yrs, including the great and good Gen. Sreten Lazarevic.

“Particularly unjust is the sentence passed on Gen. Lazarevic,” Trifkovic said, “who was a true soldier. If he was guilty of anything, he was 'guilty' of removing civilians from the zones of military operations in the same way as, for example, the US field commanders routinely removed Vietnamese civilian population from the areas of intense fighting. In The Hague narrative, things that would be considered normal and matter-of-course military necessity when carried out by US field commanders -- whether in Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan -- are regarded uniquely culpable and even criminal when some Serbs are at involved. The collective Serb guilt has been reiterated, while at the same time Milutinovic's release supposedly proves ICTY's ‘impartiality’", concluded Trifkovic.