Daily: Consultations on six points

just wanted to ask that why "Serbia is not proposing six point plan for Albanians living in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja. In other words trying to match the rights of Serbian minority in Kosova to those rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja. B92 please publish my comment so I can sleep tonight!))
(EA, 25 February 2009 20:34)"

Isn't the answer obvious EA? Presevo valley is indisputable Serbian territory. Whereas Kosovo's sovereignty is disputed and also unrecognized by the UN.

For some bizzare reasons B92 has been sistematically censoring or not publishing my comments in here. That has caused me "sleepless" nights.

I just wanted to ask that why Serbia is not proposing six point plan for Albanians living in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja. In other words trying to match the rights of Serbian minority in Kosova to those rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja. B92 please publish my comment so I can sleep tonight!))

B92, this is a ploy to get Serbia and Kosova to talk. If Serbia is getting its SAA enabled in march, that means that Serbia caved on something. No talks = No EU future.

UNMIK is dead as far as Kosova goes, as the ban on Serb officials proved.

"Let me try to answer your question

"How can the people who live on a territory be divorced from the territory itself?"

In a "marrage" if the life becomes unbearable for one party than either party have the right to divorce.
The problem with Serbian polititians is that when they talk about Kosova they talk as nothing has happened there in the last century or last decade. That is the big PROBLEM. If let's say Vojvidina would ask now independence from Serbia, Serbia's legal argument for territorial integrity would stand because there has been no war there. I hope all makes better sense for you now. I am not asking you to agree with me though.
(EA, 27 February 2009 23:03) "

Then you would have to agree that the K-Serbs who, for example, suffered mass violence in March 2004 should be entitled to divorce themselves from Pristina too!

As for the 6-points, my view remains that it was applicable to Kosovo because of its status in the UN as disputed territory.

If you choose to apply the 6-points to non-disputed areas like Presovo, then where does the buck stop? Will you also apply to other non-disupted territories in the world like the Red Indian reservatons in the USA, the Qubecois in Canada, the white majority areas of South Africa, etc etc?

Lowe,

My point was not about "territories" but about rights of people living in certain territories. That was one of the cause of break up of ex Yugoslavia. If you continue with that logic soon you will see the breakdown of Serbia. Thanks anyway for you "answer"

EA, nobody has proposed any talks about the rest of Serbia, only Kosovo so if you want this to be a topic on the UN agenda, do by all means make this proposal to the UN.

Why should Serbia propose such talk when all Serbian citizens have EQUAL rights already? Are you suggesting that Albanians have MORE rights than the rest of the citizens?
You are never satisfied.

"My point was not about "territories" but about rights of people living in certain territories. That was one of the cause of break up of ex Yugoslavia. If you continue with that logic soon you will see the breakdown of Serbia. Thanks anyway for you "answer"
(EA, 26 February 2009 21:29)"

You are the one who was missing the point. And missed it completely. How can the people who live on a territory be divorced from the territory itself?

Okay, lets take your view point and talk about people only. The people in the Presovo valley are and have always been Serbian citizens. Even the West accepts this and therefore there is no need to give the national minorities there any special privileges.

In Kosovo's case however, the West's condition for supporting your quest for independence was to give the K-minorities special privileges stated in Ahtisaari's documents. Pristina has NO CHOICE because otherwise the West will not support your proclamation of independence. You get the picture, now, I hope.

Lowe,

Let me try to answer your question

"How can the people who live on a territory be divorced from the territory itself?"

In a "marrage" if the life becomes unbearable for one party than either party have the right to divorce.
The problem with Serbian polititians is that when they talk about Kosova they talk as nothing has happened there in the last century or last decade. That is the big PROBLEM. If let's say Vojvidina would ask now independence from Serbia, Serbia's legal argument for territorial integrity would stand because there has been no war there. I hope all makes better sense for you now. I am not asking you to agree with me though.

B92, this is a ploy to get Serbia and Kosova to talk. If Serbia is getting its SAA enabled in march, that means that Serbia caved on something. No talks = No EU future.

UNMIK is dead as far as Kosova goes, as the ban on Serb officials proved.

For some bizzare reasons B92 has been sistematically censoring or not publishing my comments in here. That has caused me "sleepless" nights.

I just wanted to ask that why Serbia is not proposing six point plan for Albanians living in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja. In other words trying to match the rights of Serbian minority in Kosova to those rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja. B92 please publish my comment so I can sleep tonight!))

just wanted to ask that why "Serbia is not proposing six point plan for Albanians living in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja. In other words trying to match the rights of Serbian minority in Kosova to those rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medvegja. B92 please publish my comment so I can sleep tonight!))
(EA, 25 February 2009 20:34)"

Isn't the answer obvious EA? Presevo valley is indisputable Serbian territory. Whereas Kosovo's sovereignty is disputed and also unrecognized by the UN.

Lowe,

My point was not about "territories" but about rights of people living in certain territories. That was one of the cause of break up of ex Yugoslavia. If you continue with that logic soon you will see the breakdown of Serbia. Thanks anyway for you "answer"

EA, nobody has proposed any talks about the rest of Serbia, only Kosovo so if you want this to be a topic on the UN agenda, do by all means make this proposal to the UN.

Why should Serbia propose such talk when all Serbian citizens have EQUAL rights already? Are you suggesting that Albanians have MORE rights than the rest of the citizens?
You are never satisfied.

"My point was not about "territories" but about rights of people living in certain territories. That was one of the cause of break up of ex Yugoslavia. If you continue with that logic soon you will see the breakdown of Serbia. Thanks anyway for you "answer"
(EA, 26 February 2009 21:29)"

You are the one who was missing the point. And missed it completely. How can the people who live on a territory be divorced from the territory itself?

Okay, lets take your view point and talk about people only. The people in the Presovo valley are and have always been Serbian citizens. Even the West accepts this and therefore there is no need to give the national minorities there any special privileges.

In Kosovo's case however, the West's condition for supporting your quest for independence was to give the K-minorities special privileges stated in Ahtisaari's documents. Pristina has NO CHOICE because otherwise the West will not support your proclamation of independence. You get the picture, now, I hope.

Lowe,

Let me try to answer your question

"How can the people who live on a territory be divorced from the territory itself?"

In a "marrage" if the life becomes unbearable for one party than either party have the right to divorce.
The problem with Serbian polititians is that when they talk about Kosova they talk as nothing has happened there in the last century or last decade. That is the big PROBLEM. If let's say Vojvidina would ask now independence from Serbia, Serbia's legal argument for territorial integrity would stand because there has been no war there. I hope all makes better sense for you now. I am not asking you to agree with me though.

"Let me try to answer your question

"How can the people who live on a territory be divorced from the territory itself?"

In a "marrage" if the life becomes unbearable for one party than either party have the right to divorce.
The problem with Serbian polititians is that when they talk about Kosova they talk as nothing has happened there in the last century or last decade. That is the big PROBLEM. If let's say Vojvidina would ask now independence from Serbia, Serbia's legal argument for territorial integrity would stand because there has been no war there. I hope all makes better sense for you now. I am not asking you to agree with me though.
(EA, 27 February 2009 23:03) "

Then you would have to agree that the K-Serbs who, for example, suffered mass violence in March 2004 should be entitled to divorce themselves from Pristina too!

As for the 6-points, my view remains that it was applicable to Kosovo because of its status in the UN as disputed territory.

If you choose to apply the 6-points to non-disputed areas like Presovo, then where does the buck stop? Will you also apply to other non-disupted territories in the world like the Red Indian reservatons in the USA, the Qubecois in Canada, the white majority areas of South Africa, etc etc?