Hey, benislav. I've read it again but it still makes no sense. You criticise PaulUK for saying that Afghans are our brothers but Afghans ARE our brothers. Moslem brothers and brothers in independence and freedom.
"ben", are you a Serb making trouble? If you were Albanian you'd know that Afghanistan was the first country to recognise us.
(Flamur, 24 February 2009 19:51)
I am aware that is just a blog in a journal but a certain level of knowledge must be respected or just stay silent.
(ben, 24 February 2009 10:41)
Flamur, you are in the second part of my above sentence.
Read more carefully and try to understand the difference between my message and the imposed categorisation that PaulUK is trying to make.
"You guys seem very confident that Turkey will keep Cyprus out of NATO. Well if one country can do that, imagine five countries (Spain, Romania, Greece, Slovakia and Cyprus) keeping Kosovo out of NATO AND the EU."
Sooner or later these countries will recognize Kosova. Well all countries in balkan except bih (problems with serbs there) BiH is de facto recognizing Kosova.
Who cares about Cyprus , Serbia is only brainwashing them with laws that doesn't exist (1244)
Cyprus is a rich country, and living standards are way higher than Turkey. Cyprus is a member of a far more important group, the EU. Turkey wants to join EU.
Who cares about NATO? China and Russia can have NATO for breakfast. So start thinking and working about your economies and societies. You have a lot to learn from Cyprus, and when Cyprus says NEVER they mean NEVER. That is the reason Cyprus is half because they said NEVER since 1960. Even if all Cypriots are killed it will still be NEVER.
Mr Syduka. Dont you think that comparing Kosova with Palestine is like comparing Mars to Venus? Why? I t will take me a long page to show the differences but just to cut it short.. kosova was an autonome province under Yugoslavia a country that does not longer exist. Kosova is supported by USA and Palestine is not. Kosova has support of the biggest and most powerful countries in the world and Palestine does not. Kosova is in Europe and Albanians are Europeans and not that regigious and Palestine is not. Will Serbia be pressured to regognize Kosova? I can guarantee you that it will be pressured and Serbia even if they join EU would Join with Kosova at the same time. Mr Syduka stop been one sided and be more proffesional when you analazy things.. Not everything is black and white. Most of people live in the gray area.
Peter Sudyka,
Although I understand and agree 100% with your intelligent comments, the Albanian supporters on this thread will not. Read their responses and you will obviously agree. For instance, they keep on believing that somehow Russia and Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence this year. So, I appreciate your intelligent comments.
I am sick of hearing my Albanian co-patriots glorifying the military power of US and Turkey.
They military & economic power of US or Turkey will and is used to defend their interests NOT Albanian interests.
We will NEVER have the relation with US as Serbs HAVE and will ALLWAYS HAVE with Russinas. This should be CLEAR to ALL Albanians.
If Turkey flies her airplanes in Cyprus or wherever it does that for HER interests NOT for Kosova- is it so hard to understand this??? Don’t you think is time that Kosovar mentality grows up and starts to think about herself and leave aside the ‘baby-sitting need’ from the time of Rugova??? Why should US bring her sons to die for Kosova??? It DIDN’T do that in 1999 (only air strikes not ground invasion) and it WILL NOT do tomorrow. You will have to take care of yourselves. Who protected Albania for 60years, Turkey, US???
When someone says that it will never recognise you, the answer is: shame on you since your moral allows you to ignore the sufferings of an entire nation that you witnessed by yourself just 8 years ago.
Not because Turkey or US it is because of the human life’s dignity.
Claiming such things is greater ignorance that the PaulUK #12 post of calling Albanians brothers of Afghans or Iraqis and ignoring that Albanians are one of the oldest European nations, white-Caucasians and are not even Semites. And turning to our times ignores that exactly those “our” “brothers” as he attributes them to us, are refusing to recognize Kosova and the “foreigners” have recognized Kosova in a week of independence declaration. I am aware that is just a blog in a journal but a certain level of knowledge must be respected or just stay silent.
I just got back from Larnaca, Cyprus yesterday. I have to admit, it's a very beautiful place, with friendly people and lots of sight seeing. It was rather chilly (well, warm compared to Canada :P), so we couldn't really enjoy any time at the beach. Though i will be back there for sure, hopefully this summer.
Really!? Anyway where is Cyprus? Oh I know is that a place were Turks and Greeks want to get together again for mutual interest ....so probably you will recognize Kosova when in Greek Cyprus with be a truly decent politician ..So Kosova is not worry about that if you will or not ...but I believe it will happen not far a way...
"Cyprus will never recognize Kosovo, the country's president sent out his message from Belgrade today."
Aren't you big and strong Mr President? My godness Kosovo shall give up the independence now after this threat!
I mean Kosovo don't want to mess about with a President who rule only half of his tiny island!!
Have mercie MR President!
Cyprus got nothing similar with Kosovo! For a start the other half is not recognized by the West and USA!
I'll give you a short reason why Serbia should not give up its battle to preserve Kosovo. Kosovo is the religious heartland of Serbia. If the Albanians would stop burning Serbian churches and monasteries and stop attacking ordinary Serbs some aggrement might have been possible, like Bosnia for example. Also, someone has to put a stop to Americas cowboy mentality. Thinking that it can do what ever it want with the rest of the world. Ignoring the UN and the opinions of other countries. In which country has America been a factor for peace? Everywhere they go they bring death and destruction and only make thinks worse. The US could have been a great leader of the world but its selfish interest and lack of respect for other peoples views is making America the greatest instigator for conflict.
You guys seem very confident that Turkey will keep Cyprus out of NATO. Well if one country can do that, imagine five countries (Spain, Romania, Greece, Slovakia and Cyprus) keeping Kosovo out of NATO AND the EU. Are you guys starting to see that Europe is in one big stalemate over this issue with no end in sight? Everyone will block everyone and there will only be bad blood. It is time for negotiations to begin again, unless Kosovo wishes to remain a black hole in Europe. Nobody wants another Palestine, because Kosovo is headed down that road. Palestine has 103 recognitions and still no real statehood. Has anyone pressured Israel into recognizing them? Why should Serbia be pressured into recognizing Kosovo? Or the other 5 EU/4 NATO states, or the 2 UNSC permanent security council members? Wake up guys!
Oh, and about Turkey being able to take out Greece and Cyprus, not necessarily, Israel wiped out a far, far larger Arabic army in the Six-Day War, how do you know it wouldn't be the same here? Anyway, with Greece also being a NATO member, if Turkey was guilty of aggression, the armies of the USA and Europe would administer another Vienna - 1683 to the point where Turkey would be "the even sicker man of Europe".
Cyprus will never recognize Kosovo
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Well that pretty much rules out Kosovo ever joining the EU as anything but a province of Serbia. Thank you to our Cypriot brothers and sisters! We only need one EU member but we have 5 instead! Just remember that both the currently Cypriot government and the opposition share the same position so a change of mind really isn't going to happen.
Also remember that Cyprus has a veto to prevent anyone joining the EU - whether it be Turkey or Albania for any reason they choose.
Turkey wouldn't dare do anything to escalate matters with Cyprus as its long time dream of joining the EU would pretty much remain just that, a dream.
I think I know where my next holiday is going to be.
ZK,
Yours too eh? I think I will go to Spain first and then from there to Cyprus. I am certainly not going to spend a cent in Montenegro.
See you there and let's have some Mythos together.
Ziveli!!
Maybe someone should remind our Albanian friends who KICKED Turkey out of Europe. Need i remind you to look at BOTH previous world wars. Who won? and Who lost? Now guess who would win again... I'll give you a hint, its the SAME as before. You cannot compare people as 1 vs 1. Its like saying Micheal Jordan vs 2 Albanian basketball players would end in the Albanians winning because its 2 against 1. Wrong, Serbia & Greece produce WORLD CLASS athletes and intellectuals.
"Furthermore, Germany and Austria (which I know for sure) will veto Serbia's accessions in EU too, for the sake of backing Croatia"
Erik (Germany)
What are you talking about? Why would they veto Serbia even if they are backing Croatia? If there is so much hatered between European nations what do we need the EU for? Turkey will veto Greece, Cyprus will veto Albania, Germany will veto Serbia!
It is obvious my friend that you are not informed at any matter really, you just say your opinion and you present it as information.
1) A country HAS TO apply for NATO or EU membership first, and then the alliances start negotiations with it. So, Cyrpus just did not apply. Not Turkey and nobody vetoed or blocked their entrance as you falsely mention.
2) Greece will not risk if Cyprus is attacked??? Are you kidding or you just wish that to be so?
From 1996 Greece and Cyprus has signed the "Common Defence Pact" deal that forsees that an attack to Cyrpus by Turkey, would mean that Greece officially declares war to Turkey. This deal was signed recently, only to tell Turkey not to mess with Cyprus.
And don't wish that Turkey will get any greek islands, because the Greek military is more advanced than the Turkish one. If Turkey could get any islands or Greek land, they would have done it long ago. The reason they have not done it so far is because they know that they cannot do it.
Turkey don't play games. But Greece don't play games too. Next time please be better infored before you post your "wishes" as information.
This is nothing new. Cyprus has always said that it will not recognize Kosovo and for obvious reasons. The diplomatic battle has moved to the Arab world. Which Arab countries will align itself to the column of recognition and which will go against recognition?
I am very confused as to why Serbia is trying so hard to accomplish something that it can not be done diplomatically without the use of military - bring Kosovo back under its control. I truly would like to hear from a professional. Would be nice to hear from a professor or an economist weighing all the pros and cons of fighting this battle with a definite uncertain outcome!
Interesting comment, not a good timing, especially now that relations Turkey - Greece just worsened even more after that announcement of Turks holding their military exercises on the sea close to Greece.
I guess Cyprus knows what will happen, Turkey can vanish you guys from the face of the Earth in matter of 30 minutes. As for Serbs here, I say, please wait, don't rush so much. You know very well that Croatia will enter EU before you, and that means... well you know what it means. Furthermore, Germany and Austria (which I know for sure) will veto Serbia's accessions in EU too, for the sake of backing Croatia.
So you Albanians can stick to your Asian friends the Turks.
(Marios Vassiliou, 23 February 2009 16:52)
Those asian friends of ours, the Turks, are the ones who sent in troops into your little island and you weren't able to do a thing about it.
Those same asian friends of ours, are able to fly F16 jets into Greek airspace as far up as Athens, and Greece is forced to sit there and take it, only filing notes of protests. Greek pilots were shot down when they tried to intercept...remember that?
Also, it is those same friends of ours, whom Greece fears more than death itself, because if they wanted to, they could take over Greece in 16 hours. The Turkish army is the 4th strongest army in the world my friend, so I remind you to be more respectful.
The Albanians have a strong ally in Turkey, despite the wars of the past. Our threats come from the nationalist Serbs, for we don't fear the Greeks. Greeks are more bark than bite.
>> "@Alban.Can you inform us the year that Republic of Cyprus applied for a NATO membership,and this application was blocked by Tyrkey?"
Stelios, Turkey will not even allow any NATO /EU military cooperation becuase it sould give Cyprus a say in defense issues so guess why Cyprus is out. You have to be invited by the big boys, you can't apply. Any application is after being told, do so. Albania didn't apply, it was told you could join IF you reform etc etc.
Now Cyprus is out on the cold for as long as Turkey wants. Who will help Cyprus if Turkey (that has more soldiers than Cyprus has inhabitants) attacks them? Greece will not risk it since the Turks don't play games if they start and Greece might lose plenty of islands and 100% of Cyprus.
If both were NATO members, Cyprus would be protected by internal diplomacy, now it would be a NATO member vs a non-member.
GReat loss on the part of kosovar diplomacy. Cyprus wont recognise. I wonder what will cyprus do when they will try to persuade Turkey to let them in Cyprus. maybe turn to the Albanians for help.. Maybe but i dooubt it. SO anywyas if the vote of Cyprus is that important let the Serbs have it
Does it matter? I wanted Christofias to win so my country had a chance to reunite, but if another referendum is reject by the people the North will be recognized. Kosovo and Cyprus are no way similar, except the fact both declared independence unitlaterally. There is no other comparison. Even if the North is never recognized and no solution is found, the Southern government will never have any control in the North, people will live their lives as they have for the past 35 years.
"..what they did with Cyprus will not happen again"
Alban
Are you kidding! Kosovo is a new Cyprus. Divided along ethnic lines. Those are "facts on the ground". You can convince yourselves of another reality but in that case you are just fooling yourself.
"Cyprus is not a member of NATO either (thanks to a block by Turkey)"
@Alban.Can you inform us the year that Republic of Cyprus applied for a NATO membership,and this application was blocked by Tyrkey?
God bless you Cyprus, that's the way to go, at least you have the guts to show our Orthodox pride; shame on Montenegro and all the other surrounding midget states who are like vultures capitalizing on Serbia's current misery.
This is to reassure that Cyprus will be always on Serbia's side. For us Cypriots Kosovo is Serbian.
So you Albanians can stick to your Asian friends the Turks.
>> "Cyprus has not recognized the unilaterally declared independence of Kosovo and we will not recognize it in the future. We are on your side, not only because your case is similar to ours, but because it is a matter of principles,"
Not 'really' up to you; USA is putting pressure on all sides to settle the Cyprus dispute. Any settlment means recognition by Greece and Cyprus as well. Obama already sent its emisaries and saying no to USA means that Turkey has a free hand. That's not good since Cyprus is not a member of NATO either (thanks to a block by Turkey)
>> "he said, pointing out that Serbia would not give up on either of its strategic goals – EU membership and preservation of Kosovo within her borders."
SAA is without Kosova Tadic and what they did with Cyprus will not happen again: At least Germany, France, Italy UK, and US have already said so. At best you might get away as the two German states: not recognize but not block either. Either way Kosova is gone, at least for a looooong, loooooong time. Given Jeremic's attitude, Albania might get in before Serbia even in EU and you know what that means
This is to reassure that Cyprus will be always on Serbia's side. For us Cypriots Kosovo is Serbian.
So you Albanians can stick to your Asian friends the Turks.
God bless you Cyprus, that's the way to go, at least you have the guts to show our Orthodox pride; shame on Montenegro and all the other surrounding midget states who are like vultures capitalizing on Serbia's current misery.
"..what they did with Cyprus will not happen again"
Alban
Are you kidding! Kosovo is a new Cyprus. Divided along ethnic lines. Those are "facts on the ground". You can convince yourselves of another reality but in that case you are just fooling yourself.
"Cyprus is not a member of NATO either (thanks to a block by Turkey)"
@Alban.Can you inform us the year that Republic of Cyprus applied for a NATO membership,and this application was blocked by Tyrkey?
It is obvious my friend that you are not informed at any matter really, you just say your opinion and you present it as information.
1) A country HAS TO apply for NATO or EU membership first, and then the alliances start negotiations with it. So, Cyrpus just did not apply. Not Turkey and nobody vetoed or blocked their entrance as you falsely mention.
2) Greece will not risk if Cyprus is attacked??? Are you kidding or you just wish that to be so?
From 1996 Greece and Cyprus has signed the "Common Defence Pact" deal that forsees that an attack to Cyrpus by Turkey, would mean that Greece officially declares war to Turkey. This deal was signed recently, only to tell Turkey not to mess with Cyprus.
And don't wish that Turkey will get any greek islands, because the Greek military is more advanced than the Turkish one. If Turkey could get any islands or Greek land, they would have done it long ago. The reason they have not done it so far is because they know that they cannot do it.
Turkey don't play games. But Greece don't play games too. Next time please be better infored before you post your "wishes" as information.
ZK,
Yours too eh? I think I will go to Spain first and then from there to Cyprus. I am certainly not going to spend a cent in Montenegro.
See you there and let's have some Mythos together.
Ziveli!!
Cyprus will never recognize Kosovo
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Well that pretty much rules out Kosovo ever joining the EU as anything but a province of Serbia. Thank you to our Cypriot brothers and sisters! We only need one EU member but we have 5 instead! Just remember that both the currently Cypriot government and the opposition share the same position so a change of mind really isn't going to happen.
Also remember that Cyprus has a veto to prevent anyone joining the EU - whether it be Turkey or Albania for any reason they choose.
Turkey wouldn't dare do anything to escalate matters with Cyprus as its long time dream of joining the EU would pretty much remain just that, a dream.
I think I know where my next holiday is going to be.
Maybe someone should remind our Albanian friends who KICKED Turkey out of Europe. Need i remind you to look at BOTH previous world wars. Who won? and Who lost? Now guess who would win again... I'll give you a hint, its the SAME as before. You cannot compare people as 1 vs 1. Its like saying Micheal Jordan vs 2 Albanian basketball players would end in the Albanians winning because its 2 against 1. Wrong, Serbia & Greece produce WORLD CLASS athletes and intellectuals.
>> "Cyprus has not recognized the unilaterally declared independence of Kosovo and we will not recognize it in the future. We are on your side, not only because your case is similar to ours, but because it is a matter of principles,"
Not 'really' up to you; USA is putting pressure on all sides to settle the Cyprus dispute. Any settlment means recognition by Greece and Cyprus as well. Obama already sent its emisaries and saying no to USA means that Turkey has a free hand. That's not good since Cyprus is not a member of NATO either (thanks to a block by Turkey)
>> "he said, pointing out that Serbia would not give up on either of its strategic goals – EU membership and preservation of Kosovo within her borders."
SAA is without Kosova Tadic and what they did with Cyprus will not happen again: At least Germany, France, Italy UK, and US have already said so. At best you might get away as the two German states: not recognize but not block either. Either way Kosova is gone, at least for a looooong, loooooong time. Given Jeremic's attitude, Albania might get in before Serbia even in EU and you know what that means
I'll give you a short reason why Serbia should not give up its battle to preserve Kosovo. Kosovo is the religious heartland of Serbia. If the Albanians would stop burning Serbian churches and monasteries and stop attacking ordinary Serbs some aggrement might have been possible, like Bosnia for example. Also, someone has to put a stop to Americas cowboy mentality. Thinking that it can do what ever it want with the rest of the world. Ignoring the UN and the opinions of other countries. In which country has America been a factor for peace? Everywhere they go they bring death and destruction and only make thinks worse. The US could have been a great leader of the world but its selfish interest and lack of respect for other peoples views is making America the greatest instigator for conflict.
You guys seem very confident that Turkey will keep Cyprus out of NATO. Well if one country can do that, imagine five countries (Spain, Romania, Greece, Slovakia and Cyprus) keeping Kosovo out of NATO AND the EU. Are you guys starting to see that Europe is in one big stalemate over this issue with no end in sight? Everyone will block everyone and there will only be bad blood. It is time for negotiations to begin again, unless Kosovo wishes to remain a black hole in Europe. Nobody wants another Palestine, because Kosovo is headed down that road. Palestine has 103 recognitions and still no real statehood. Has anyone pressured Israel into recognizing them? Why should Serbia be pressured into recognizing Kosovo? Or the other 5 EU/4 NATO states, or the 2 UNSC permanent security council members? Wake up guys!
Oh, and about Turkey being able to take out Greece and Cyprus, not necessarily, Israel wiped out a far, far larger Arabic army in the Six-Day War, how do you know it wouldn't be the same here? Anyway, with Greece also being a NATO member, if Turkey was guilty of aggression, the armies of the USA and Europe would administer another Vienna - 1683 to the point where Turkey would be "the even sicker man of Europe".
So you Albanians can stick to your Asian friends the Turks.
(Marios Vassiliou, 23 February 2009 16:52)
Those asian friends of ours, the Turks, are the ones who sent in troops into your little island and you weren't able to do a thing about it.
Those same asian friends of ours, are able to fly F16 jets into Greek airspace as far up as Athens, and Greece is forced to sit there and take it, only filing notes of protests. Greek pilots were shot down when they tried to intercept...remember that?
Also, it is those same friends of ours, whom Greece fears more than death itself, because if they wanted to, they could take over Greece in 16 hours. The Turkish army is the 4th strongest army in the world my friend, so I remind you to be more respectful.
The Albanians have a strong ally in Turkey, despite the wars of the past. Our threats come from the nationalist Serbs, for we don't fear the Greeks. Greeks are more bark than bite.
"Cyprus will never recognize Kosovo, the country's president sent out his message from Belgrade today."
Aren't you big and strong Mr President? My godness Kosovo shall give up the independence now after this threat!
I mean Kosovo don't want to mess about with a President who rule only half of his tiny island!!
Have mercie MR President!
Cyprus got nothing similar with Kosovo! For a start the other half is not recognized by the West and USA!
Does it matter? I wanted Christofias to win so my country had a chance to reunite, but if another referendum is reject by the people the North will be recognized. Kosovo and Cyprus are no way similar, except the fact both declared independence unitlaterally. There is no other comparison. Even if the North is never recognized and no solution is found, the Southern government will never have any control in the North, people will live their lives as they have for the past 35 years.
>> "@Alban.Can you inform us the year that Republic of Cyprus applied for a NATO membership,and this application was blocked by Tyrkey?"
Stelios, Turkey will not even allow any NATO /EU military cooperation becuase it sould give Cyprus a say in defense issues so guess why Cyprus is out. You have to be invited by the big boys, you can't apply. Any application is after being told, do so. Albania didn't apply, it was told you could join IF you reform etc etc.
Now Cyprus is out on the cold for as long as Turkey wants. Who will help Cyprus if Turkey (that has more soldiers than Cyprus has inhabitants) attacks them? Greece will not risk it since the Turks don't play games if they start and Greece might lose plenty of islands and 100% of Cyprus.
If both were NATO members, Cyprus would be protected by internal diplomacy, now it would be a NATO member vs a non-member.
"Furthermore, Germany and Austria (which I know for sure) will veto Serbia's accessions in EU too, for the sake of backing Croatia"
Erik (Germany)
What are you talking about? Why would they veto Serbia even if they are backing Croatia? If there is so much hatered between European nations what do we need the EU for? Turkey will veto Greece, Cyprus will veto Albania, Germany will veto Serbia!
Interesting comment, not a good timing, especially now that relations Turkey - Greece just worsened even more after that announcement of Turks holding their military exercises on the sea close to Greece.
I guess Cyprus knows what will happen, Turkey can vanish you guys from the face of the Earth in matter of 30 minutes. As for Serbs here, I say, please wait, don't rush so much. You know very well that Croatia will enter EU before you, and that means... well you know what it means. Furthermore, Germany and Austria (which I know for sure) will veto Serbia's accessions in EU too, for the sake of backing Croatia.
This is nothing new. Cyprus has always said that it will not recognize Kosovo and for obvious reasons. The diplomatic battle has moved to the Arab world. Which Arab countries will align itself to the column of recognition and which will go against recognition?
I am very confused as to why Serbia is trying so hard to accomplish something that it can not be done diplomatically without the use of military - bring Kosovo back under its control. I truly would like to hear from a professional. Would be nice to hear from a professor or an economist weighing all the pros and cons of fighting this battle with a definite uncertain outcome!
Really!? Anyway where is Cyprus? Oh I know is that a place were Turks and Greeks want to get together again for mutual interest ....so probably you will recognize Kosova when in Greek Cyprus with be a truly decent politician ..So Kosova is not worry about that if you will or not ...but I believe it will happen not far a way...
GReat loss on the part of kosovar diplomacy. Cyprus wont recognise. I wonder what will cyprus do when they will try to persuade Turkey to let them in Cyprus. maybe turn to the Albanians for help.. Maybe but i dooubt it. SO anywyas if the vote of Cyprus is that important let the Serbs have it
I am sick of hearing my Albanian co-patriots glorifying the military power of US and Turkey.
They military & economic power of US or Turkey will and is used to defend their interests NOT Albanian interests.
We will NEVER have the relation with US as Serbs HAVE and will ALLWAYS HAVE with Russinas. This should be CLEAR to ALL Albanians.
If Turkey flies her airplanes in Cyprus or wherever it does that for HER interests NOT for Kosova- is it so hard to understand this??? Don’t you think is time that Kosovar mentality grows up and starts to think about herself and leave aside the ‘baby-sitting need’ from the time of Rugova??? Why should US bring her sons to die for Kosova??? It DIDN’T do that in 1999 (only air strikes not ground invasion) and it WILL NOT do tomorrow. You will have to take care of yourselves. Who protected Albania for 60years, Turkey, US???
When someone says that it will never recognise you, the answer is: shame on you since your moral allows you to ignore the sufferings of an entire nation that you witnessed by yourself just 8 years ago.
Not because Turkey or US it is because of the human life’s dignity.
Claiming such things is greater ignorance that the PaulUK #12 post of calling Albanians brothers of Afghans or Iraqis and ignoring that Albanians are one of the oldest European nations, white-Caucasians and are not even Semites. And turning to our times ignores that exactly those “our” “brothers” as he attributes them to us, are refusing to recognize Kosova and the “foreigners” have recognized Kosova in a week of independence declaration. I am aware that is just a blog in a journal but a certain level of knowledge must be respected or just stay silent.
I just got back from Larnaca, Cyprus yesterday. I have to admit, it's a very beautiful place, with friendly people and lots of sight seeing. It was rather chilly (well, warm compared to Canada :P), so we couldn't really enjoy any time at the beach. Though i will be back there for sure, hopefully this summer.
"You guys seem very confident that Turkey will keep Cyprus out of NATO. Well if one country can do that, imagine five countries (Spain, Romania, Greece, Slovakia and Cyprus) keeping Kosovo out of NATO AND the EU."
Sooner or later these countries will recognize Kosova. Well all countries in balkan except bih (problems with serbs there) BiH is de facto recognizing Kosova.
Who cares about Cyprus , Serbia is only brainwashing them with laws that doesn't exist (1244)
Cyprus is a rich country, and living standards are way higher than Turkey. Cyprus is a member of a far more important group, the EU. Turkey wants to join EU.
Who cares about NATO? China and Russia can have NATO for breakfast. So start thinking and working about your economies and societies. You have a lot to learn from Cyprus, and when Cyprus says NEVER they mean NEVER. That is the reason Cyprus is half because they said NEVER since 1960. Even if all Cypriots are killed it will still be NEVER.
Peter Sudyka,
Although I understand and agree 100% with your intelligent comments, the Albanian supporters on this thread will not. Read their responses and you will obviously agree. For instance, they keep on believing that somehow Russia and Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence this year. So, I appreciate your intelligent comments.
Mr Syduka. Dont you think that comparing Kosova with Palestine is like comparing Mars to Venus? Why? I t will take me a long page to show the differences but just to cut it short.. kosova was an autonome province under Yugoslavia a country that does not longer exist. Kosova is supported by USA and Palestine is not. Kosova has support of the biggest and most powerful countries in the world and Palestine does not. Kosova is in Europe and Albanians are Europeans and not that regigious and Palestine is not. Will Serbia be pressured to regognize Kosova? I can guarantee you that it will be pressured and Serbia even if they join EU would Join with Kosova at the same time. Mr Syduka stop been one sided and be more proffesional when you analazy things.. Not everything is black and white. Most of people live in the gray area.
"ben", are you a Serb making trouble? If you were Albanian you'd know that Afghanistan was the first country to recognise us.
(Flamur, 24 February 2009 19:51)
I am aware that is just a blog in a journal but a certain level of knowledge must be respected or just stay silent.
(ben, 24 February 2009 10:41)
Flamur, you are in the second part of my above sentence.
Read more carefully and try to understand the difference between my message and the imposed categorisation that PaulUK is trying to make.
Hey, benislav. I've read it again but it still makes no sense. You criticise PaulUK for saying that Afghans are our brothers but Afghans ARE our brothers. Moslem brothers and brothers in independence and freedom.
>> "Cyprus has not recognized the unilaterally declared independence of Kosovo and we will not recognize it in the future. We are on your side, not only because your case is similar to ours, but because it is a matter of principles,"
Not 'really' up to you; USA is putting pressure on all sides to settle the Cyprus dispute. Any settlment means recognition by Greece and Cyprus as well. Obama already sent its emisaries and saying no to USA means that Turkey has a free hand. That's not good since Cyprus is not a member of NATO either (thanks to a block by Turkey)
>> "he said, pointing out that Serbia would not give up on either of its strategic goals – EU membership and preservation of Kosovo within her borders."
SAA is without Kosova Tadic and what they did with Cyprus will not happen again: At least Germany, France, Italy UK, and US have already said so. At best you might get away as the two German states: not recognize but not block either. Either way Kosova is gone, at least for a looooong, loooooong time. Given Jeremic's attitude, Albania might get in before Serbia even in EU and you know what that means
So you Albanians can stick to your Asian friends the Turks.
(Marios Vassiliou, 23 February 2009 16:52)
Those asian friends of ours, the Turks, are the ones who sent in troops into your little island and you weren't able to do a thing about it.
Those same asian friends of ours, are able to fly F16 jets into Greek airspace as far up as Athens, and Greece is forced to sit there and take it, only filing notes of protests. Greek pilots were shot down when they tried to intercept...remember that?
Also, it is those same friends of ours, whom Greece fears more than death itself, because if they wanted to, they could take over Greece in 16 hours. The Turkish army is the 4th strongest army in the world my friend, so I remind you to be more respectful.
The Albanians have a strong ally in Turkey, despite the wars of the past. Our threats come from the nationalist Serbs, for we don't fear the Greeks. Greeks are more bark than bite.
>> "@Alban.Can you inform us the year that Republic of Cyprus applied for a NATO membership,and this application was blocked by Tyrkey?"
Stelios, Turkey will not even allow any NATO /EU military cooperation becuase it sould give Cyprus a say in defense issues so guess why Cyprus is out. You have to be invited by the big boys, you can't apply. Any application is after being told, do so. Albania didn't apply, it was told you could join IF you reform etc etc.
Now Cyprus is out on the cold for as long as Turkey wants. Who will help Cyprus if Turkey (that has more soldiers than Cyprus has inhabitants) attacks them? Greece will not risk it since the Turks don't play games if they start and Greece might lose plenty of islands and 100% of Cyprus.
If both were NATO members, Cyprus would be protected by internal diplomacy, now it would be a NATO member vs a non-member.
Does it matter? I wanted Christofias to win so my country had a chance to reunite, but if another referendum is reject by the people the North will be recognized. Kosovo and Cyprus are no way similar, except the fact both declared independence unitlaterally. There is no other comparison. Even if the North is never recognized and no solution is found, the Southern government will never have any control in the North, people will live their lives as they have for the past 35 years.
God bless you Cyprus, that's the way to go, at least you have the guts to show our Orthodox pride; shame on Montenegro and all the other surrounding midget states who are like vultures capitalizing on Serbia's current misery.
GReat loss on the part of kosovar diplomacy. Cyprus wont recognise. I wonder what will cyprus do when they will try to persuade Turkey to let them in Cyprus. maybe turn to the Albanians for help.. Maybe but i dooubt it. SO anywyas if the vote of Cyprus is that important let the Serbs have it
Interesting comment, not a good timing, especially now that relations Turkey - Greece just worsened even more after that announcement of Turks holding their military exercises on the sea close to Greece.
I guess Cyprus knows what will happen, Turkey can vanish you guys from the face of the Earth in matter of 30 minutes. As for Serbs here, I say, please wait, don't rush so much. You know very well that Croatia will enter EU before you, and that means... well you know what it means. Furthermore, Germany and Austria (which I know for sure) will veto Serbia's accessions in EU too, for the sake of backing Croatia.
This is to reassure that Cyprus will be always on Serbia's side. For us Cypriots Kosovo is Serbian.
So you Albanians can stick to your Asian friends the Turks.
"Cyprus will never recognize Kosovo, the country's president sent out his message from Belgrade today."
Aren't you big and strong Mr President? My godness Kosovo shall give up the independence now after this threat!
I mean Kosovo don't want to mess about with a President who rule only half of his tiny island!!
Have mercie MR President!
Cyprus got nothing similar with Kosovo! For a start the other half is not recognized by the West and USA!
"Cyprus is not a member of NATO either (thanks to a block by Turkey)"
@Alban.Can you inform us the year that Republic of Cyprus applied for a NATO membership,and this application was blocked by Tyrkey?
"..what they did with Cyprus will not happen again"
Alban
Are you kidding! Kosovo is a new Cyprus. Divided along ethnic lines. Those are "facts on the ground". You can convince yourselves of another reality but in that case you are just fooling yourself.
It is obvious my friend that you are not informed at any matter really, you just say your opinion and you present it as information.
1) A country HAS TO apply for NATO or EU membership first, and then the alliances start negotiations with it. So, Cyrpus just did not apply. Not Turkey and nobody vetoed or blocked their entrance as you falsely mention.
2) Greece will not risk if Cyprus is attacked??? Are you kidding or you just wish that to be so?
From 1996 Greece and Cyprus has signed the "Common Defence Pact" deal that forsees that an attack to Cyrpus by Turkey, would mean that Greece officially declares war to Turkey. This deal was signed recently, only to tell Turkey not to mess with Cyprus.
And don't wish that Turkey will get any greek islands, because the Greek military is more advanced than the Turkish one. If Turkey could get any islands or Greek land, they would have done it long ago. The reason they have not done it so far is because they know that they cannot do it.
Turkey don't play games. But Greece don't play games too. Next time please be better infored before you post your "wishes" as information.
Maybe someone should remind our Albanian friends who KICKED Turkey out of Europe. Need i remind you to look at BOTH previous world wars. Who won? and Who lost? Now guess who would win again... I'll give you a hint, its the SAME as before. You cannot compare people as 1 vs 1. Its like saying Micheal Jordan vs 2 Albanian basketball players would end in the Albanians winning because its 2 against 1. Wrong, Serbia & Greece produce WORLD CLASS athletes and intellectuals.
You guys seem very confident that Turkey will keep Cyprus out of NATO. Well if one country can do that, imagine five countries (Spain, Romania, Greece, Slovakia and Cyprus) keeping Kosovo out of NATO AND the EU. Are you guys starting to see that Europe is in one big stalemate over this issue with no end in sight? Everyone will block everyone and there will only be bad blood. It is time for negotiations to begin again, unless Kosovo wishes to remain a black hole in Europe. Nobody wants another Palestine, because Kosovo is headed down that road. Palestine has 103 recognitions and still no real statehood. Has anyone pressured Israel into recognizing them? Why should Serbia be pressured into recognizing Kosovo? Or the other 5 EU/4 NATO states, or the 2 UNSC permanent security council members? Wake up guys!
Oh, and about Turkey being able to take out Greece and Cyprus, not necessarily, Israel wiped out a far, far larger Arabic army in the Six-Day War, how do you know it wouldn't be the same here? Anyway, with Greece also being a NATO member, if Turkey was guilty of aggression, the armies of the USA and Europe would administer another Vienna - 1683 to the point where Turkey would be "the even sicker man of Europe".
Cyprus will never recognize Kosovo
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Well that pretty much rules out Kosovo ever joining the EU as anything but a province of Serbia. Thank you to our Cypriot brothers and sisters! We only need one EU member but we have 5 instead! Just remember that both the currently Cypriot government and the opposition share the same position so a change of mind really isn't going to happen.
Also remember that Cyprus has a veto to prevent anyone joining the EU - whether it be Turkey or Albania for any reason they choose.
Turkey wouldn't dare do anything to escalate matters with Cyprus as its long time dream of joining the EU would pretty much remain just that, a dream.
I think I know where my next holiday is going to be.
I'll give you a short reason why Serbia should not give up its battle to preserve Kosovo. Kosovo is the religious heartland of Serbia. If the Albanians would stop burning Serbian churches and monasteries and stop attacking ordinary Serbs some aggrement might have been possible, like Bosnia for example. Also, someone has to put a stop to Americas cowboy mentality. Thinking that it can do what ever it want with the rest of the world. Ignoring the UN and the opinions of other countries. In which country has America been a factor for peace? Everywhere they go they bring death and destruction and only make thinks worse. The US could have been a great leader of the world but its selfish interest and lack of respect for other peoples views is making America the greatest instigator for conflict.
Really!? Anyway where is Cyprus? Oh I know is that a place were Turks and Greeks want to get together again for mutual interest ....so probably you will recognize Kosova when in Greek Cyprus with be a truly decent politician ..So Kosova is not worry about that if you will or not ...but I believe it will happen not far a way...
This is nothing new. Cyprus has always said that it will not recognize Kosovo and for obvious reasons. The diplomatic battle has moved to the Arab world. Which Arab countries will align itself to the column of recognition and which will go against recognition?
I am very confused as to why Serbia is trying so hard to accomplish something that it can not be done diplomatically without the use of military - bring Kosovo back under its control. I truly would like to hear from a professional. Would be nice to hear from a professor or an economist weighing all the pros and cons of fighting this battle with a definite uncertain outcome!
ZK,
Yours too eh? I think I will go to Spain first and then from there to Cyprus. I am certainly not going to spend a cent in Montenegro.
See you there and let's have some Mythos together.
Ziveli!!
"Furthermore, Germany and Austria (which I know for sure) will veto Serbia's accessions in EU too, for the sake of backing Croatia"
Erik (Germany)
What are you talking about? Why would they veto Serbia even if they are backing Croatia? If there is so much hatered between European nations what do we need the EU for? Turkey will veto Greece, Cyprus will veto Albania, Germany will veto Serbia!
Mr Syduka. Dont you think that comparing Kosova with Palestine is like comparing Mars to Venus? Why? I t will take me a long page to show the differences but just to cut it short.. kosova was an autonome province under Yugoslavia a country that does not longer exist. Kosova is supported by USA and Palestine is not. Kosova has support of the biggest and most powerful countries in the world and Palestine does not. Kosova is in Europe and Albanians are Europeans and not that regigious and Palestine is not. Will Serbia be pressured to regognize Kosova? I can guarantee you that it will be pressured and Serbia even if they join EU would Join with Kosova at the same time. Mr Syduka stop been one sided and be more proffesional when you analazy things.. Not everything is black and white. Most of people live in the gray area.
I just got back from Larnaca, Cyprus yesterday. I have to admit, it's a very beautiful place, with friendly people and lots of sight seeing. It was rather chilly (well, warm compared to Canada :P), so we couldn't really enjoy any time at the beach. Though i will be back there for sure, hopefully this summer.
Hey, benislav. I've read it again but it still makes no sense. You criticise PaulUK for saying that Afghans are our brothers but Afghans ARE our brothers. Moslem brothers and brothers in independence and freedom.
Cyprus is a rich country, and living standards are way higher than Turkey. Cyprus is a member of a far more important group, the EU. Turkey wants to join EU.
Who cares about NATO? China and Russia can have NATO for breakfast. So start thinking and working about your economies and societies. You have a lot to learn from Cyprus, and when Cyprus says NEVER they mean NEVER. That is the reason Cyprus is half because they said NEVER since 1960. Even if all Cypriots are killed it will still be NEVER.
"You guys seem very confident that Turkey will keep Cyprus out of NATO. Well if one country can do that, imagine five countries (Spain, Romania, Greece, Slovakia and Cyprus) keeping Kosovo out of NATO AND the EU."
Sooner or later these countries will recognize Kosova. Well all countries in balkan except bih (problems with serbs there) BiH is de facto recognizing Kosova.
Who cares about Cyprus , Serbia is only brainwashing them with laws that doesn't exist (1244)
I am sick of hearing my Albanian co-patriots glorifying the military power of US and Turkey.
They military & economic power of US or Turkey will and is used to defend their interests NOT Albanian interests.
We will NEVER have the relation with US as Serbs HAVE and will ALLWAYS HAVE with Russinas. This should be CLEAR to ALL Albanians.
If Turkey flies her airplanes in Cyprus or wherever it does that for HER interests NOT for Kosova- is it so hard to understand this??? Don’t you think is time that Kosovar mentality grows up and starts to think about herself and leave aside the ‘baby-sitting need’ from the time of Rugova??? Why should US bring her sons to die for Kosova??? It DIDN’T do that in 1999 (only air strikes not ground invasion) and it WILL NOT do tomorrow. You will have to take care of yourselves. Who protected Albania for 60years, Turkey, US???
When someone says that it will never recognise you, the answer is: shame on you since your moral allows you to ignore the sufferings of an entire nation that you witnessed by yourself just 8 years ago.
Not because Turkey or US it is because of the human life’s dignity.
Claiming such things is greater ignorance that the PaulUK #12 post of calling Albanians brothers of Afghans or Iraqis and ignoring that Albanians are one of the oldest European nations, white-Caucasians and are not even Semites. And turning to our times ignores that exactly those “our” “brothers” as he attributes them to us, are refusing to recognize Kosova and the “foreigners” have recognized Kosova in a week of independence declaration. I am aware that is just a blog in a journal but a certain level of knowledge must be respected or just stay silent.
Peter Sudyka,
Although I understand and agree 100% with your intelligent comments, the Albanian supporters on this thread will not. Read their responses and you will obviously agree. For instance, they keep on believing that somehow Russia and Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence this year. So, I appreciate your intelligent comments.
"ben", are you a Serb making trouble? If you were Albanian you'd know that Afghanistan was the first country to recognise us.
(Flamur, 24 February 2009 19:51)
I am aware that is just a blog in a journal but a certain level of knowledge must be respected or just stay silent.
(ben, 24 February 2009 10:41)
Flamur, you are in the second part of my above sentence.
Read more carefully and try to understand the difference between my message and the imposed categorisation that PaulUK is trying to make.
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