Where did you get your 8.7%???
(Alban, 24 February 2009 02:17)
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According to Wikipedia Serbia has the fastest growing economy in the region. 2008 growth was 8.7%. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia#Economy
If it wasn't for US propaganda/bombs I just wonder it would be a lot better!!
(PaulUK, 23 February 2009 15:16
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Paul please stop saying to much lies about UK.
UK without EU today is LOL.
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Micrea i agree with you totally.
>> "but it's quite interesting to note that Serbia achieved even greater growth than every single EU member at 8.7%. So why do we need the EU?"
Ummmm...Serbia's growth was ~ 6%, a little less than Albania's.
Link: Serbia's GDP growth 6 pct http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=10&dd=22&nav_id=54419
Link: "Serbia's gross domestic product (GDP) was estimated to go up by 6.1 percent in 2008 when compared to the previous year, the country's statistics chief said on Tuesday. "
Even Kosova grew by 5% but Serbia had a huge inflation problem so Serbia's 'real GDP growth' was slower. Where did you get your 8.7%???
ZK,
this why serbia needs EU:
""Tackling Serbia's significant macroeconomic imbalances requires both additional external financing and stronger overall economic policies. The growth boom in recent years fed off large foreign capital flows that supported household and corporate credit. These flows have dried up, and the private sector has to adjust by reducing spending and imports. Additional financing from international financial institutions may smooth this adjustment and help protect the most vulnerable population groups, but its sustainability hinges on a coherent framework and liberalizing reforms that shore up investor confidence."
[link]
The serbian camp has to understand that just because someone has an opposing opinion does not make them albanian. get used to other people having a different opinion than serbs.
(blue and gold, 23 February 2009 23:20)
IMF funding does not solve the underlying economic problems for Serbia and for that matter, niether does the EU.
Serbia is far behind in product innovation and production capacity to enter the EU. It is better off building a competitive advantage in field(s) such as intellectual capacity with limited capital outlays.
Further, following a dual trading policy with Russia and India to the East where there are more oppurtnities for comparitive advantage while also continuing to trade with it's partner(s) in Europe.
This was part of the platform of the former Serbian leader Djindjic.
It is clearly evident that Romania and Bulgaria as well as Poland have not been able to reap the benifits becuase of it's poor economic infrastructure and previous communist mismanagment of people, products and services.
Hungary is still having massive problems and have seen large capital outlfows to Slovakia which has a lower labour rates.
Slovenia is a success story as it was the most productive republic in the former Yugoslavia and un-damaged by the civil war.
they are being ripped off... In Northern Ireland people from the Republic of Ireland come up across the border because it's so expensive in the Eurozone!!
That's why I'll only have one weeks holiday in Spain this year... then 2 beautiful weeks in Serbia!
Richard Corbett (EU propranda King) the old Socialist from Mersyside... I'll say no more the guy is in our union Amicus now Unite... He speaks before he thinks! He loves Europe because HE IS PAID A FORTUNE... AND HIS EXPENSES ARE A FORTUNE.. which B92 i think covered MEP expenses,
that's why he was to be in the EU! typical fat cat politician...
He is a daft drunk who rambles on about human rights... in the UK were criminal are treated better than victims... for heavens sake Mircea, Richard Corbett is the President of the European Parliamentary Beer Club! he is a drunk!!
I have one thing... Let the people of the UK vote on Lisbon Treaty... if we have democracy why not let us vote??
Mircea why will they not let us vote on the Treaty??
Why did Ireland have to vote again after voting NO NO NO...
simple because Germany/France do not want to lose their grip on the EU €€€'s!!
You are an EU citizen. Don't you think that the Serbs should also enjoy the benefits of EU citizenship?
(Mircea, 23 February 2009 20:54)
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And what would that be Mircea? To create a brain drain in Serbia where all the smartest and brightest go to the EU to clean toilets for Western Europeans at below minimum wage?
The reason Romania achieved the highest economic growth was probably because it has work restrictions within the EU so the brains of Romania remained to helped stimulate your economy but remember, Serbia still beat it!
My preference would be for Serbians to build Serbia rather than being cheap and disliked labour for other EU member states. However, with the current economic situation there is no longer a need for that either.
Perhaps you can tell me what the EU will offer Serbians? All they need is visa free travel and that could be on its way even without becoming a member. So what else is there Mircea that Serbia doesn't already have?
ZK,
this why serbia needs EU:
""Tackling Serbia's significant macroeconomic imbalances requires both additional external financing and stronger overall economic policies. The growth boom in recent years fed off large foreign capital flows that supported household and corporate credit. These flows have dried up, and the private sector has to adjust by reducing spending and imports. Additional financing from international financial institutions may smooth this adjustment and help protect the most vulnerable population groups, but its sustainability hinges on a coherent framework and liberalizing reforms that shore up investor confidence."
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2009/pr0931.htm
The serbian camp has to understand that just because someone has an opposing opinion does not make them albanian. get used to other people having a different opinion than serbs.
A big day for Romanian Mircea, that much of attention in a single day.I happen to love your strong comments and suggestions, I might be biased, though, because I know an Albanian person living someplace in southern part of Serbia, he goes by your name, a great man, too.
I would appreciate your opinion and suggestions to your Romanian government regarding the problem caused by increasing number of crimes committed by Romanian citizens in Italy. Like the rapes for instance. Do you think that castrations,as proposed by some Italian politicians could be a good solution? The method itself is painless, humane, however, it might affect one's pride.And then, what?
"Belgrade can assist only by sending its army and police in Kosovo and Metohija province as guaranteed by resolution 1244"
Serbia is in NO WAY able to threaten anyone militarily again, especially so when all surrounding countries, including Croatia and Albania in April, are NATO members. Your threats are so outmoded and anachronistic. The world has no patience to watch Serbia fight another war in the middle of the Balkans.
You have responded everybody but me. Why so ? Nothing to cover with ? Who are you to tell them what to do when even in your own country your stance belong to the minority. Romania enjoys 20% of soveregnity Chaushescu used to have while Serbia is the only independent state west of Wisla and Prut rivers.
If every EU unemployed is so active they will have to close not only B92 but many other sites. So stop attracting attention if you have nothing to say. All your meanings are as simple as that : every democratic nation must be a member of NATO and EU to obey the overseas commands. What else do you have to say ?
Why should the UK adopt the Euro... We want out of the EU... adopt the Euro and be ripped off even more by the dictators in Brussells!!
Just like in Ireland prices went up 25% were wages stayed put!! No rocket science is it Mircea!
You my friend live in a dream land!! I agree there should be visa free travel in Europe and Russia... but that's it!!
The UK gets no benefit what so ever from the EU... all we do is get ripped off and have to abide by politically correct ruling from Brussells!! It's about time the UK was free of this shambles that is the EU... the EU mircea is just a pawn in the USAs game with Russia... which the USA is losing fast!!!
I am Romanian. Concerning Serbia, I think that your country needs the help of the EU in order to achieve economic well-being.
(Mircea, 23 February 2009 13:34)
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Really, so you mentioned that Romania had the largest growth within the EU in 2008 at 7.8% but it's quite interesting to note that Serbia achieved even greater growth than every single EU member at 8.7%. So why do we need the EU?
Looks like we are doing fine as a non-member while getting major investments from Russia, India and others.
As a British citizen, I also support the UK leaving the EU. Admittedly, I really liked the EU idea to begin with but now that dictators are running the show, I'd say the German dream of ruling Europe is still alive and well.
I think that the UK should adopt the Euro as soon as possible. Denmark will probably adopt the Euro soon and Sweden will follow Denmark and also adopt the Euro.
Ofcourse the UK would be in a better situation... the UK is in EU because our Government is a USA puppet which is a disgrace... recent polls show 80%+ want out of the EU!!
We are that tied up in Brussells we can't find an escape route... look at Norway!! It's not in the EU.
If were controlled our borders, our econmey, our Oil & Power sources... and the fact we bail out germany/france!! we'd be in a better position!
Have people forgot WW2 already!!
What a joke the EU is!!
Get the UK out!!
I'm ashamed that we the UK is becomming more and more a USA puppet look what mess the USA cause in IRAQ, Middle East, Bosnia and Serbia!
The UK should get out of Europe... the UK keeps the EU afloat with £££!! And this German/French run dictaitorship!
The Irish rejected the Lisbon Treatey once!! THEY VOTED NO!!
France and Germany weren't happy so they have forced Ireland into another vote...
Is this not a dictaitorship!!
The UK doesn't even get a a vote because they know it would be a landslide NO NO NO!!
We are fed up losing jobs bailing out the EU Farmers, Fishers etc etc...
we should close our borders and cut our losses and accept only people we need not undesireables from Poland, Romania, Bulgaria etc etc!
It's a sad state or affairs... Im sad the EU doesn't work... Serbia does not need the EU I have been there several times from Nis right up to Novi Sad... and to mention Belgrade it's the most vibrant... metropolition, friendly city in the Balkans!!
If it wasn't for US propaganda/bombs I just wonder it would be a lot better!!
Mircera,
you are a Romanian citizen of Albanian descent. Why else are you such a Serbian antagonist, deeply infatuated with the current demise of Serbia, when clearly Serbia was once economically independent without EU influence.
Ireland would have been in a much worse situation today if Ireland was not a Member State of the EU and if Ireland did not have the Euro. Just look at Iceland. Therefore, I think the people of Ireland should be supporters of the EU.
Regarding Serbia, I think that Serbia and all the countries of the Western Balkans should join the EU in order to develop from an economic point of view.
“they respond that Belgrade should further assist the mission, in order for EULEX efforts to be felt, in particular, at the police and justice levels in northern Kosovo and enclaves where the majority of inhabitants are Serbs.”
-Unbelievable! I read and cannot believe what I’m reading. Let repeat it again, the EU wants Belgrade’s approval for the biggest land robbery ever seen after the WWII (Sudtenland case) and yet this immoral EU asks Belgrade’s help to legalize the robbery of its own province. How convenient. It appears that the EULEX’s hands are tightened and thus nothing can be done without Belgrade.
The EU has so far demonstrated nothing but the force, immoral and hypocrisy towards Serbia and they expect Belgrade’s help to come out from the legal mess they created together with the USA. Interesting, indeed.
I expect now Serbian foreign minister Vuk Jeremic to explain to these EU hypocrites that Belgrade can assist only by sending its army and police in Kosovo and Metohija province as guaranteed by resolution 1244. Furthermore, these EU “gentlemen and democrats” should be explained as well that EULEX is not welcomed in northern part of Kosovo province and that Belgrade cannot be involved in creating artificial borders on its own territory neither can be involved in establishing the so called Kosovo's legal system .
When Mladic is still innocent and not proven guilty. Your infatuation with this whole Serbian and Albanian affair leads me to believe that you must be Albanian.
Each and every one of your posts directs Serbia to be submissive.
According to you, Serbia needs to surrender all her possessions in order to survive the future.
What if Mladic isn't hiding on Serbian territory. What if Mladic is hiding in Romania, does that mean Romania should be relieved from EU membership.
Do you really believe that Serbia would surrender 58 out of 60 war crimes fugitives, only to give up on the remaining two.
Mladic has nothing to do with Serbia not joining the EU. Serbia will never join the EU because she isn't a follower, but rather a leader and that is a threat to the EU elite, past and present.
Mircea
What you offer now sounds wild for a Serbian ear. Mladic has got more love in Serbia that even Romanian soldiers wounded In Stalingrad or Romanian police men to shoot millions in the Ukraine ! So you don’t know what you are asking for.
As for Serbia matters the new Secretary Of State is nothing better than the previous one. Moreover besides state interests to legalize the US crimes of 1999 she has got same family interests of her own. So she is to sends her vassals to Belgrade as one of the three (+ Moscow and Minsk) remaining European capitals outside the US control.
With Russia blocking them in the UN SC and the anti-Serbian Tribunal to stop to exist next year they are lacking instruments for closing their crimes. They also need to legalize somehow the military city of Bondstill able to control the Balkans. So they are sending other participants of those crimes to find a hole in Serbian defense. But with the financial crisis turning into an economical one they have no more carrots to attract Serbia with.
'...they respond that Belgrade should further assist the mission, in order for EULEX efforts to be felt, in particular, at the police and justice levels in northern Kosovo and enclaves where the majority of inhabitants are Serbs.'
How dare 'THEY'!
'THEY' (Brussels) are doing themselves no favours by insulting the United Nations in this manner.
'THEY' are adding insult to injury by even expecting that Serbia might assist in the forced amputation of one of her own limbs.
I am sure that all of this disgraceful behaviour by Brussels can only further foment the evergrowing distrust that European citizens have for this 'EU Elite' and all their sordid antics.
'...they respond that Belgrade should further assist the mission, in order for EULEX efforts to be felt, in particular, at the police and justice levels in northern Kosovo and enclaves where the majority of inhabitants are Serbs.'
How dare 'THEY'!
'THEY' (Brussels) are doing themselves no favours by insulting the United Nations in this manner.
'THEY' are adding insult to injury by even expecting that Serbia might assist in the forced amputation of one of her own limbs.
I am sure that all of this disgraceful behaviour by Brussels can only further foment the evergrowing distrust that European citizens have for this 'EU Elite' and all their sordid antics.
As for Serbia matters the new Secretary Of State is nothing better than the previous one. Moreover besides state interests to legalize the US crimes of 1999 she has got same family interests of her own. So she is to sends her vassals to Belgrade as one of the three (+ Moscow and Minsk) remaining European capitals outside the US control.
With Russia blocking them in the UN SC and the anti-Serbian Tribunal to stop to exist next year they are lacking instruments for closing their crimes. They also need to legalize somehow the military city of Bondstill able to control the Balkans. So they are sending other participants of those crimes to find a hole in Serbian defense. But with the financial crisis turning into an economical one they have no more carrots to attract Serbia with.
The UK should get out of Europe... the UK keeps the EU afloat with £££!! And this German/French run dictaitorship!
The Irish rejected the Lisbon Treatey once!! THEY VOTED NO!!
France and Germany weren't happy so they have forced Ireland into another vote...
Is this not a dictaitorship!!
The UK doesn't even get a a vote because they know it would be a landslide NO NO NO!!
We are fed up losing jobs bailing out the EU Farmers, Fishers etc etc...
we should close our borders and cut our losses and accept only people we need not undesireables from Poland, Romania, Bulgaria etc etc!
It's a sad state or affairs... Im sad the EU doesn't work... Serbia does not need the EU I have been there several times from Nis right up to Novi Sad... and to mention Belgrade it's the most vibrant... metropolition, friendly city in the Balkans!!
If it wasn't for US propaganda/bombs I just wonder it would be a lot better!!
“they respond that Belgrade should further assist the mission, in order for EULEX efforts to be felt, in particular, at the police and justice levels in northern Kosovo and enclaves where the majority of inhabitants are Serbs.”
-Unbelievable! I read and cannot believe what I’m reading. Let repeat it again, the EU wants Belgrade’s approval for the biggest land robbery ever seen after the WWII (Sudtenland case) and yet this immoral EU asks Belgrade’s help to legalize the robbery of its own province. How convenient. It appears that the EULEX’s hands are tightened and thus nothing can be done without Belgrade.
The EU has so far demonstrated nothing but the force, immoral and hypocrisy towards Serbia and they expect Belgrade’s help to come out from the legal mess they created together with the USA. Interesting, indeed.
I expect now Serbian foreign minister Vuk Jeremic to explain to these EU hypocrites that Belgrade can assist only by sending its army and police in Kosovo and Metohija province as guaranteed by resolution 1244. Furthermore, these EU “gentlemen and democrats” should be explained as well that EULEX is not welcomed in northern part of Kosovo province and that Belgrade cannot be involved in creating artificial borders on its own territory neither can be involved in establishing the so called Kosovo's legal system .
When Mladic is still innocent and not proven guilty. Your infatuation with this whole Serbian and Albanian affair leads me to believe that you must be Albanian.
Each and every one of your posts directs Serbia to be submissive.
According to you, Serbia needs to surrender all her possessions in order to survive the future.
What if Mladic isn't hiding on Serbian territory. What if Mladic is hiding in Romania, does that mean Romania should be relieved from EU membership.
Do you really believe that Serbia would surrender 58 out of 60 war crimes fugitives, only to give up on the remaining two.
Mladic has nothing to do with Serbia not joining the EU. Serbia will never join the EU because she isn't a follower, but rather a leader and that is a threat to the EU elite, past and present.
Ofcourse the UK would be in a better situation... the UK is in EU because our Government is a USA puppet which is a disgrace... recent polls show 80%+ want out of the EU!!
We are that tied up in Brussells we can't find an escape route... look at Norway!! It's not in the EU.
If were controlled our borders, our econmey, our Oil & Power sources... and the fact we bail out germany/france!! we'd be in a better position!
Have people forgot WW2 already!!
What a joke the EU is!!
Get the UK out!!
I'm ashamed that we the UK is becomming more and more a USA puppet look what mess the USA cause in IRAQ, Middle East, Bosnia and Serbia!
Mircera,
you are a Romanian citizen of Albanian descent. Why else are you such a Serbian antagonist, deeply infatuated with the current demise of Serbia, when clearly Serbia was once economically independent without EU influence.
Mircea
What you offer now sounds wild for a Serbian ear. Mladic has got more love in Serbia that even Romanian soldiers wounded In Stalingrad or Romanian police men to shoot millions in the Ukraine ! So you don’t know what you are asking for.
Why should the UK adopt the Euro... We want out of the EU... adopt the Euro and be ripped off even more by the dictators in Brussells!!
Just like in Ireland prices went up 25% were wages stayed put!! No rocket science is it Mircea!
You my friend live in a dream land!! I agree there should be visa free travel in Europe and Russia... but that's it!!
The UK gets no benefit what so ever from the EU... all we do is get ripped off and have to abide by politically correct ruling from Brussells!! It's about time the UK was free of this shambles that is the EU... the EU mircea is just a pawn in the USAs game with Russia... which the USA is losing fast!!!
I am Romanian. Concerning Serbia, I think that your country needs the help of the EU in order to achieve economic well-being.
(Mircea, 23 February 2009 13:34)
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Really, so you mentioned that Romania had the largest growth within the EU in 2008 at 7.8% but it's quite interesting to note that Serbia achieved even greater growth than every single EU member at 8.7%. So why do we need the EU?
Looks like we are doing fine as a non-member while getting major investments from Russia, India and others.
As a British citizen, I also support the UK leaving the EU. Admittedly, I really liked the EU idea to begin with but now that dictators are running the show, I'd say the German dream of ruling Europe is still alive and well.
You have responded everybody but me. Why so ? Nothing to cover with ? Who are you to tell them what to do when even in your own country your stance belong to the minority. Romania enjoys 20% of soveregnity Chaushescu used to have while Serbia is the only independent state west of Wisla and Prut rivers.
If every EU unemployed is so active they will have to close not only B92 but many other sites. So stop attracting attention if you have nothing to say. All your meanings are as simple as that : every democratic nation must be a member of NATO and EU to obey the overseas commands. What else do you have to say ?
Richard Corbett (EU propranda King) the old Socialist from Mersyside... I'll say no more the guy is in our union Amicus now Unite... He speaks before he thinks! He loves Europe because HE IS PAID A FORTUNE... AND HIS EXPENSES ARE A FORTUNE.. which B92 i think covered MEP expenses,
that's why he was to be in the EU! typical fat cat politician...
He is a daft drunk who rambles on about human rights... in the UK were criminal are treated better than victims... for heavens sake Mircea, Richard Corbett is the President of the European Parliamentary Beer Club! he is a drunk!!
I have one thing... Let the people of the UK vote on Lisbon Treaty... if we have democracy why not let us vote??
Mircea why will they not let us vote on the Treaty??
Why did Ireland have to vote again after voting NO NO NO...
simple because Germany/France do not want to lose their grip on the EU €€€'s!!
Ireland would have been in a much worse situation today if Ireland was not a Member State of the EU and if Ireland did not have the Euro. Just look at Iceland. Therefore, I think the people of Ireland should be supporters of the EU.
Regarding Serbia, I think that Serbia and all the countries of the Western Balkans should join the EU in order to develop from an economic point of view.
You are an EU citizen. Don't you think that the Serbs should also enjoy the benefits of EU citizenship?
(Mircea, 23 February 2009 20:54)
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And what would that be Mircea? To create a brain drain in Serbia where all the smartest and brightest go to the EU to clean toilets for Western Europeans at below minimum wage?
The reason Romania achieved the highest economic growth was probably because it has work restrictions within the EU so the brains of Romania remained to helped stimulate your economy but remember, Serbia still beat it!
My preference would be for Serbians to build Serbia rather than being cheap and disliked labour for other EU member states. However, with the current economic situation there is no longer a need for that either.
Perhaps you can tell me what the EU will offer Serbians? All they need is visa free travel and that could be on its way even without becoming a member. So what else is there Mircea that Serbia doesn't already have?
they are being ripped off... In Northern Ireland people from the Republic of Ireland come up across the border because it's so expensive in the Eurozone!!
That's why I'll only have one weeks holiday in Spain this year... then 2 beautiful weeks in Serbia!
ZK,
this why serbia needs EU:
""Tackling Serbia's significant macroeconomic imbalances requires both additional external financing and stronger overall economic policies. The growth boom in recent years fed off large foreign capital flows that supported household and corporate credit. These flows have dried up, and the private sector has to adjust by reducing spending and imports. Additional financing from international financial institutions may smooth this adjustment and help protect the most vulnerable population groups, but its sustainability hinges on a coherent framework and liberalizing reforms that shore up investor confidence."
[link]
The serbian camp has to understand that just because someone has an opposing opinion does not make them albanian. get used to other people having a different opinion than serbs.
(blue and gold, 23 February 2009 23:20)
IMF funding does not solve the underlying economic problems for Serbia and for that matter, niether does the EU.
Serbia is far behind in product innovation and production capacity to enter the EU. It is better off building a competitive advantage in field(s) such as intellectual capacity with limited capital outlays.
Further, following a dual trading policy with Russia and India to the East where there are more oppurtnities for comparitive advantage while also continuing to trade with it's partner(s) in Europe.
This was part of the platform of the former Serbian leader Djindjic.
It is clearly evident that Romania and Bulgaria as well as Poland have not been able to reap the benifits becuase of it's poor economic infrastructure and previous communist mismanagment of people, products and services.
Hungary is still having massive problems and have seen large capital outlfows to Slovakia which has a lower labour rates.
Slovenia is a success story as it was the most productive republic in the former Yugoslavia and un-damaged by the civil war.
I think that the UK should adopt the Euro as soon as possible. Denmark will probably adopt the Euro soon and Sweden will follow Denmark and also adopt the Euro.
"Belgrade can assist only by sending its army and police in Kosovo and Metohija province as guaranteed by resolution 1244"
Serbia is in NO WAY able to threaten anyone militarily again, especially so when all surrounding countries, including Croatia and Albania in April, are NATO members. Your threats are so outmoded and anachronistic. The world has no patience to watch Serbia fight another war in the middle of the Balkans.
A big day for Romanian Mircea, that much of attention in a single day.I happen to love your strong comments and suggestions, I might be biased, though, because I know an Albanian person living someplace in southern part of Serbia, he goes by your name, a great man, too.
I would appreciate your opinion and suggestions to your Romanian government regarding the problem caused by increasing number of crimes committed by Romanian citizens in Italy. Like the rapes for instance. Do you think that castrations,as proposed by some Italian politicians could be a good solution? The method itself is painless, humane, however, it might affect one's pride.And then, what?
Where did you get your 8.7%???
(Alban, 24 February 2009 02:17)
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According to Wikipedia Serbia has the fastest growing economy in the region. 2008 growth was 8.7%. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia#Economy
ZK,
this why serbia needs EU:
""Tackling Serbia's significant macroeconomic imbalances requires both additional external financing and stronger overall economic policies. The growth boom in recent years fed off large foreign capital flows that supported household and corporate credit. These flows have dried up, and the private sector has to adjust by reducing spending and imports. Additional financing from international financial institutions may smooth this adjustment and help protect the most vulnerable population groups, but its sustainability hinges on a coherent framework and liberalizing reforms that shore up investor confidence."
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2009/pr0931.htm
The serbian camp has to understand that just because someone has an opposing opinion does not make them albanian. get used to other people having a different opinion than serbs.
>> "but it's quite interesting to note that Serbia achieved even greater growth than every single EU member at 8.7%. So why do we need the EU?"
Ummmm...Serbia's growth was ~ 6%, a little less than Albania's.
Link: Serbia's GDP growth 6 pct http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=10&dd=22&nav_id=54419
Link: "Serbia's gross domestic product (GDP) was estimated to go up by 6.1 percent in 2008 when compared to the previous year, the country's statistics chief said on Tuesday. "
Even Kosova grew by 5% but Serbia had a huge inflation problem so Serbia's 'real GDP growth' was slower. Where did you get your 8.7%???
If it wasn't for US propaganda/bombs I just wonder it would be a lot better!!
(PaulUK, 23 February 2009 15:16
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Paul please stop saying to much lies about UK.
UK without EU today is LOL.
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Micrea i agree with you totally.
Ireland would have been in a much worse situation today if Ireland was not a Member State of the EU and if Ireland did not have the Euro. Just look at Iceland. Therefore, I think the people of Ireland should be supporters of the EU.
Regarding Serbia, I think that Serbia and all the countries of the Western Balkans should join the EU in order to develop from an economic point of view.
I think that the UK should adopt the Euro as soon as possible. Denmark will probably adopt the Euro soon and Sweden will follow Denmark and also adopt the Euro.
'...they respond that Belgrade should further assist the mission, in order for EULEX efforts to be felt, in particular, at the police and justice levels in northern Kosovo and enclaves where the majority of inhabitants are Serbs.'
How dare 'THEY'!
'THEY' (Brussels) are doing themselves no favours by insulting the United Nations in this manner.
'THEY' are adding insult to injury by even expecting that Serbia might assist in the forced amputation of one of her own limbs.
I am sure that all of this disgraceful behaviour by Brussels can only further foment the evergrowing distrust that European citizens have for this 'EU Elite' and all their sordid antics.
When Mladic is still innocent and not proven guilty. Your infatuation with this whole Serbian and Albanian affair leads me to believe that you must be Albanian.
Each and every one of your posts directs Serbia to be submissive.
According to you, Serbia needs to surrender all her possessions in order to survive the future.
What if Mladic isn't hiding on Serbian territory. What if Mladic is hiding in Romania, does that mean Romania should be relieved from EU membership.
Do you really believe that Serbia would surrender 58 out of 60 war crimes fugitives, only to give up on the remaining two.
Mladic has nothing to do with Serbia not joining the EU. Serbia will never join the EU because she isn't a follower, but rather a leader and that is a threat to the EU elite, past and present.
Mircea
What you offer now sounds wild for a Serbian ear. Mladic has got more love in Serbia that even Romanian soldiers wounded In Stalingrad or Romanian police men to shoot millions in the Ukraine ! So you don’t know what you are asking for.
"Belgrade can assist only by sending its army and police in Kosovo and Metohija province as guaranteed by resolution 1244"
Serbia is in NO WAY able to threaten anyone militarily again, especially so when all surrounding countries, including Croatia and Albania in April, are NATO members. Your threats are so outmoded and anachronistic. The world has no patience to watch Serbia fight another war in the middle of the Balkans.
As for Serbia matters the new Secretary Of State is nothing better than the previous one. Moreover besides state interests to legalize the US crimes of 1999 she has got same family interests of her own. So she is to sends her vassals to Belgrade as one of the three (+ Moscow and Minsk) remaining European capitals outside the US control.
With Russia blocking them in the UN SC and the anti-Serbian Tribunal to stop to exist next year they are lacking instruments for closing their crimes. They also need to legalize somehow the military city of Bondstill able to control the Balkans. So they are sending other participants of those crimes to find a hole in Serbian defense. But with the financial crisis turning into an economical one they have no more carrots to attract Serbia with.
“they respond that Belgrade should further assist the mission, in order for EULEX efforts to be felt, in particular, at the police and justice levels in northern Kosovo and enclaves where the majority of inhabitants are Serbs.”
-Unbelievable! I read and cannot believe what I’m reading. Let repeat it again, the EU wants Belgrade’s approval for the biggest land robbery ever seen after the WWII (Sudtenland case) and yet this immoral EU asks Belgrade’s help to legalize the robbery of its own province. How convenient. It appears that the EULEX’s hands are tightened and thus nothing can be done without Belgrade.
The EU has so far demonstrated nothing but the force, immoral and hypocrisy towards Serbia and they expect Belgrade’s help to come out from the legal mess they created together with the USA. Interesting, indeed.
I expect now Serbian foreign minister Vuk Jeremic to explain to these EU hypocrites that Belgrade can assist only by sending its army and police in Kosovo and Metohija province as guaranteed by resolution 1244. Furthermore, these EU “gentlemen and democrats” should be explained as well that EULEX is not welcomed in northern part of Kosovo province and that Belgrade cannot be involved in creating artificial borders on its own territory neither can be involved in establishing the so called Kosovo's legal system .
Mircera,
you are a Romanian citizen of Albanian descent. Why else are you such a Serbian antagonist, deeply infatuated with the current demise of Serbia, when clearly Serbia was once economically independent without EU influence.
Ofcourse the UK would be in a better situation... the UK is in EU because our Government is a USA puppet which is a disgrace... recent polls show 80%+ want out of the EU!!
We are that tied up in Brussells we can't find an escape route... look at Norway!! It's not in the EU.
If were controlled our borders, our econmey, our Oil & Power sources... and the fact we bail out germany/france!! we'd be in a better position!
Have people forgot WW2 already!!
What a joke the EU is!!
Get the UK out!!
I'm ashamed that we the UK is becomming more and more a USA puppet look what mess the USA cause in IRAQ, Middle East, Bosnia and Serbia!
ZK,
this why serbia needs EU:
""Tackling Serbia's significant macroeconomic imbalances requires both additional external financing and stronger overall economic policies. The growth boom in recent years fed off large foreign capital flows that supported household and corporate credit. These flows have dried up, and the private sector has to adjust by reducing spending and imports. Additional financing from international financial institutions may smooth this adjustment and help protect the most vulnerable population groups, but its sustainability hinges on a coherent framework and liberalizing reforms that shore up investor confidence."
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2009/pr0931.htm
The serbian camp has to understand that just because someone has an opposing opinion does not make them albanian. get used to other people having a different opinion than serbs.
You have responded everybody but me. Why so ? Nothing to cover with ? Who are you to tell them what to do when even in your own country your stance belong to the minority. Romania enjoys 20% of soveregnity Chaushescu used to have while Serbia is the only independent state west of Wisla and Prut rivers.
If every EU unemployed is so active they will have to close not only B92 but many other sites. So stop attracting attention if you have nothing to say. All your meanings are as simple as that : every democratic nation must be a member of NATO and EU to obey the overseas commands. What else do you have to say ?
I am Romanian. Concerning Serbia, I think that your country needs the help of the EU in order to achieve economic well-being.
(Mircea, 23 February 2009 13:34)
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Really, so you mentioned that Romania had the largest growth within the EU in 2008 at 7.8% but it's quite interesting to note that Serbia achieved even greater growth than every single EU member at 8.7%. So why do we need the EU?
Looks like we are doing fine as a non-member while getting major investments from Russia, India and others.
As a British citizen, I also support the UK leaving the EU. Admittedly, I really liked the EU idea to begin with but now that dictators are running the show, I'd say the German dream of ruling Europe is still alive and well.
The UK should get out of Europe... the UK keeps the EU afloat with £££!! And this German/French run dictaitorship!
The Irish rejected the Lisbon Treatey once!! THEY VOTED NO!!
France and Germany weren't happy so they have forced Ireland into another vote...
Is this not a dictaitorship!!
The UK doesn't even get a a vote because they know it would be a landslide NO NO NO!!
We are fed up losing jobs bailing out the EU Farmers, Fishers etc etc...
we should close our borders and cut our losses and accept only people we need not undesireables from Poland, Romania, Bulgaria etc etc!
It's a sad state or affairs... Im sad the EU doesn't work... Serbia does not need the EU I have been there several times from Nis right up to Novi Sad... and to mention Belgrade it's the most vibrant... metropolition, friendly city in the Balkans!!
If it wasn't for US propaganda/bombs I just wonder it would be a lot better!!
>> "but it's quite interesting to note that Serbia achieved even greater growth than every single EU member at 8.7%. So why do we need the EU?"
Ummmm...Serbia's growth was ~ 6%, a little less than Albania's.
Link: Serbia's GDP growth 6 pct http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=10&dd=22&nav_id=54419
Link: "Serbia's gross domestic product (GDP) was estimated to go up by 6.1 percent in 2008 when compared to the previous year, the country's statistics chief said on Tuesday. "
Even Kosova grew by 5% but Serbia had a huge inflation problem so Serbia's 'real GDP growth' was slower. Where did you get your 8.7%???
If it wasn't for US propaganda/bombs I just wonder it would be a lot better!!
(PaulUK, 23 February 2009 15:16
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Paul please stop saying to much lies about UK.
UK without EU today is LOL.
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Micrea i agree with you totally.
A big day for Romanian Mircea, that much of attention in a single day.I happen to love your strong comments and suggestions, I might be biased, though, because I know an Albanian person living someplace in southern part of Serbia, he goes by your name, a great man, too.
I would appreciate your opinion and suggestions to your Romanian government regarding the problem caused by increasing number of crimes committed by Romanian citizens in Italy. Like the rapes for instance. Do you think that castrations,as proposed by some Italian politicians could be a good solution? The method itself is painless, humane, however, it might affect one's pride.And then, what?
Why should the UK adopt the Euro... We want out of the EU... adopt the Euro and be ripped off even more by the dictators in Brussells!!
Just like in Ireland prices went up 25% were wages stayed put!! No rocket science is it Mircea!
You my friend live in a dream land!! I agree there should be visa free travel in Europe and Russia... but that's it!!
The UK gets no benefit what so ever from the EU... all we do is get ripped off and have to abide by politically correct ruling from Brussells!! It's about time the UK was free of this shambles that is the EU... the EU mircea is just a pawn in the USAs game with Russia... which the USA is losing fast!!!
You are an EU citizen. Don't you think that the Serbs should also enjoy the benefits of EU citizenship?
(Mircea, 23 February 2009 20:54)
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And what would that be Mircea? To create a brain drain in Serbia where all the smartest and brightest go to the EU to clean toilets for Western Europeans at below minimum wage?
The reason Romania achieved the highest economic growth was probably because it has work restrictions within the EU so the brains of Romania remained to helped stimulate your economy but remember, Serbia still beat it!
My preference would be for Serbians to build Serbia rather than being cheap and disliked labour for other EU member states. However, with the current economic situation there is no longer a need for that either.
Perhaps you can tell me what the EU will offer Serbians? All they need is visa free travel and that could be on its way even without becoming a member. So what else is there Mircea that Serbia doesn't already have?
they are being ripped off... In Northern Ireland people from the Republic of Ireland come up across the border because it's so expensive in the Eurozone!!
That's why I'll only have one weeks holiday in Spain this year... then 2 beautiful weeks in Serbia!
ZK,
this why serbia needs EU:
""Tackling Serbia's significant macroeconomic imbalances requires both additional external financing and stronger overall economic policies. The growth boom in recent years fed off large foreign capital flows that supported household and corporate credit. These flows have dried up, and the private sector has to adjust by reducing spending and imports. Additional financing from international financial institutions may smooth this adjustment and help protect the most vulnerable population groups, but its sustainability hinges on a coherent framework and liberalizing reforms that shore up investor confidence."
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The serbian camp has to understand that just because someone has an opposing opinion does not make them albanian. get used to other people having a different opinion than serbs.
(blue and gold, 23 February 2009 23:20)
IMF funding does not solve the underlying economic problems for Serbia and for that matter, niether does the EU.
Serbia is far behind in product innovation and production capacity to enter the EU. It is better off building a competitive advantage in field(s) such as intellectual capacity with limited capital outlays.
Further, following a dual trading policy with Russia and India to the East where there are more oppurtnities for comparitive advantage while also continuing to trade with it's partner(s) in Europe.
This was part of the platform of the former Serbian leader Djindjic.
It is clearly evident that Romania and Bulgaria as well as Poland have not been able to reap the benifits becuase of it's poor economic infrastructure and previous communist mismanagment of people, products and services.
Hungary is still having massive problems and have seen large capital outlfows to Slovakia which has a lower labour rates.
Slovenia is a success story as it was the most productive republic in the former Yugoslavia and un-damaged by the civil war.
Where did you get your 8.7%???
(Alban, 24 February 2009 02:17)
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According to Wikipedia Serbia has the fastest growing economy in the region. 2008 growth was 8.7%. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia#Economy
Richard Corbett (EU propranda King) the old Socialist from Mersyside... I'll say no more the guy is in our union Amicus now Unite... He speaks before he thinks! He loves Europe because HE IS PAID A FORTUNE... AND HIS EXPENSES ARE A FORTUNE.. which B92 i think covered MEP expenses,
that's why he was to be in the EU! typical fat cat politician...
He is a daft drunk who rambles on about human rights... in the UK were criminal are treated better than victims... for heavens sake Mircea, Richard Corbett is the President of the European Parliamentary Beer Club! he is a drunk!!
I have one thing... Let the people of the UK vote on Lisbon Treaty... if we have democracy why not let us vote??
Mircea why will they not let us vote on the Treaty??
Why did Ireland have to vote again after voting NO NO NO...
simple because Germany/France do not want to lose their grip on the EU €€€'s!!
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