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Saturday, 21.02.2009.

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FM: ICJ won't rule in favor of independence

Unless there are political pressures, there is no chance the ICJ would rule in favor of Kosovo's independence, says Vuk Jeremić.

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Nelli_Canada

pre 15 godina

Even though some Albanians in here are saying that the decision will be somewhere in the middle, please convince me why would that be in the middle since UN, EU are on the side of stability!. Do you think that UN(ICJ) would make a decision against EU?. Remember that it was EU who called on all its' members to recognize Kosova as an independent STATE.

Kosova has already won and there is no need for anyone to waste time discussing it however I wish Jeremic best of luck in changing the reality.

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

This is exactly one of the ways how politicians prepare their people for coming defeats:

"We are right, and if we do not get the result we wished for then somebody behind coerced or manipulated that".

Well, looks like that the Serbian politicians start to realize that nothing is really sure. There is a big chance that the ICJ will not rule clearly in favor for Serbia. However, anything but a clear ruling in favor of Serbia would be an Albanian victory. Serbia should have stick with its "normal" fight. An ICJ contains only the risk of a not favorable ruling, whereas a ruling in favor for Serbia will change the stance for maybe a few countries, but not the bulk of the Western world.

Daniel

pre 15 godina

Jeremic is right. The FACT is that former president Bill Clinton is actively lobbying for countries to recognize Kosovo's UDI. If he's doing that, why wouldn't he and others such as Ahtisaari lobby the ICJ for a positive ruling in favor of Kosovo's Albanians. If you believe they aren't then you are very naive. The world isn't a world of justice; it's a world of influence. As we say here in the US, it's not what you know but who you know. Hopefully, the ruling will be one independent of influence, regardless of the outcome of the ruling. Serbia did the right thing in asking for a decision, something that thus far Kosovo's Albanian government cannot seem to do. The Albanians won't even accept criticism of any of their own. Even when some of their people are brought to trial in the Hague, they immediately kill off or severely intimidate witnesses. Kosovo's Albanians could stand to learn a lot from the Serbs in how to behave. Even B92 allows all kinds of comments from everyone on it's site. I wonder how open Kosovo's Albanian media sources are?

johny

pre 15 godina

Expect new recognitions real soon. Everytime Jeremic says there will be no recognitions there is a country that recognizes after that.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"even if the whole world says Kosova must go back under Serbia the only way for me to accept that is if I am dad otherwise Serbia will never step in my land while I am alive.
(Toni, 21 February 2009 17:22)"

just another comment that makes me smile.

you know, these kind of phrases, about Serbia stepping into your land...

first of all, Serbia cannot step in because it IS serbian land, and you will be "dad" if you get a little more reasonable and wiser in the future and you will be very disappointed in the future.

but I am fine with that. =)
let´s just see what future brings... ;)

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Jeremic dreaming out loud! By summer Kosova will have 51% of UN in the bag and will start with US to pressure (or buy) Russia off. Such is politics. But half of a quasi state is much better than a serbian province. Kosova will enter IMF and World Bank this spring and Albania--by then a NATO member--can help with the rest.

Oh, and Serbia can kiss EU goodbye in that case.
(Alban, 21 February 2009 16:13)

With what money Alban? America is broke and they have been borrowing money from China. Be realistic here.
Maybe Russia will be able to "persuade" broke US somehow.

Demi wrote,

You can dream how much you want Jeremic Serbia it's a done deal.but the albanians have an englishmen who represent us at the ICJ. That sayes it all what the outcome will be. And when ICJ hear the truth about what happend to the albanians under the 90.s with Milosevic

Demi, I think ICJ has heard ALL Albanian reports by now. They have not lived on the moon until now. What more can your Englishman tell them that they haven't heard already?
Besides, do you think that the English are that superior to others so you cannot possible lose with one in your corner?

If this is your argument, you are clutching at straws here.

enie

pre 15 godina

Really who give a damn about ICJ what they have to say or not for kosova issue and serbia and russia can't continue with they arrogant idea's because albanians nothing can stop them and no one can't touch them anymore..

Tesla

pre 15 godina

"After that, no country will recognize Kosovo, it will not be able to join international organizations," said Jeremić."

Great diplomacy. The fortunate thing is that not a single bullet will have to be fired to guarantee Serbian sovereignty over its province of KiM.

The greater Albanian dream is dead and the chickens are coming home to roost.

laluc

pre 15 godina

Of course Jeremic will make such a claim. He's in Russia (on yet another trip). He has to sound "tough and confident".

The truth is that even if the ICJ ruling doesn't favor independence, its most likely outcome will be somewhere in the middle (not supporting Kosovo nor Serbia).

This means a victory for Kosovo. As we've said before Serbia needs an absolute vote of approval from the ICJ, while Kosovo only needs a vote of approval OR a decision somewhere in the middle.

And at the end of the day, there will probably be some political pressure from the West for the ICJ to side with Kosovo. So Albanians win regardless.

UNE

pre 15 godina

Jermeic must think that the Serbs are idiots. If there is no pressure..... LOL there is no pressure they will rule as they see fit. If it is in favur of Sebria there was no pressure.. If it is against there was pressure... Cant have it both ways Jeremic. The world is seeing through your shennanigans and they are calling your moronic bluff. The only country that supports you is Russia not because they are right but because you sold them NISS and many other great deals. We see how it will end.
Indipendence is a done deal

Ataman

pre 15 godina

#13 is a lucky number for Albanians this time because let's admit, "shq" is right.

Arm-twisting of ICJ is bad. And what Jeremic was/is doing is precisely that.

However: certainly, his opponents are doing PRECISELY the same.

In other words: both sides do arm-twisting.

My feeling is, ICJ will do their best to issue a ruling which can be interpreted many ways. And we will be at the square one.

Hope, I am wrong and it will be in Serbia's favor.

Ruben

pre 15 godina

This means that when ICJ decides on the favor of Kosovo, Serbia will say it was due to political influence and will not respect the decision.

But the joke would on her this time around.

johny

pre 15 godina

Ok, lets be realistic here for once, whether you are Serbian or Albanian. I think by this time everyone should have understood that the ICJ ruling will be unclear. It will not answer the question with a yes or a no. Jeremic and Serbia know this but do not want to accept it because they fear it. This is why you have Jeremic trying undermine the same ICJ they are seeking approval from before the final decision is made. It is always the same tactics coming from Serbia. Try something, if it doesn't work in Serbia's favor declare it corrupt and irrelevant. Examples? Just look at how they see the US, UK, France, all the countries that have recognized Kosova, most of the EU, all the former UNMIK leaders in Kosova, NATO, the Hague Tribunal, the ICJ (according to Jeremic will be corrupted soon), add to the list the World Bank, the IMF, all the sport federations Kosova is part of. I can go for hours. The point is that Serbia as a state is a spiteful and mercurial state.

P.S When you are asking for a an opinion, scientifically speaking the science of probability tells us there are many probable answers. Its as simple as that.

Serbia will have a rude awakening after the ICJ ruling. That is what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket, and you market that to your population as your salvation. The ruling will be anything but clear.

shq

pre 15 godina

"Unless there are political pressures, there is no chance the ICJ would rule in favor of Kosovo's independence, says Vuk Jeremić."
That is political pressure is bad..
and then
"Asked whether he had any reaction from the countries that have not recognized Kosovo, to which he sent a letter asking them to send their opinion to the ICJ in the written form, Jeremić said his Russian interlocutors assured him Moscow would do this very soon."
That is, let's put some pressure on that court

Demi

pre 15 godina

You can dream how much you want Jeremic but the albanians have an englishmen who represent us at the ICJ. That sayes it all what the outcome will be. And when ICJ hear the truth about what happend to the albanians under the 90.s with Milosevic as a leader of Serbia it's a done deal.

There is no way for Serbia to win at ICJ. Albaians are very confident of winning the case. Serbia will just be ashamed.

Reamemeber serbs that if ICJ rules in favor of ther albanians you have no minimum chance of getting Kosovo back. Then it's just to accept reality and stop talking nonsens like you do now.


Whatever happends at the ICJ Kosovo will never lose it's independence. That is a promise that I can hold. Serbia has lost Kosovo forever.

ben

pre 15 godina

"less there are political pressures, there is no chance the ICJ would rule in favor of Kosovo's independence, says Vuk Jeremić."

This is one of the many charlatan statements of the Serbian officials.

This man lacks respect of the international law and all day speaks abut the allegedly breach of the international law.

His statement is a pure and blunt pressure on the ICJ.

Instead of respecting the ICJ and not interfering in her decisions he is drawing bounds to ICJ in which way ICJ must rule.

In other he lacks a basic democratic education by not respecting the independence of the courts. I guess he had a update on the law and independent juridical system during permanence in Moscow where he assited the "trial" of Plitkovskaja.

Finally, he affirms that someone can and is willing to corrupt (political pressure) the ICJ. That is EU and US will attempt to corrupt ICJ. Yet he wants his country to be part of EU.

Someone in Belgrade should try to put end to this irresponsible politicians but since Belgrade is not able to think democratically (Gligorov analyst here in B92 couple of weeks ago) EU should help Serbia in that by shouting the door in a face to her until she will not learn the democratic rules and basic democratic behaviour.

Toni

pre 15 godina

I wonder why Jeremic is so desperate of ICJ ruling in Kosovo Independence. From his comments you can clearly see that he is preparing from now the Serb public of eventual ICJ ruling in favor of Independence. I understand Mr. Jeremic because if it happens that the ICJ will rule in the favor of Independence then he will be the first one to be blamed for this so I understand him completely why he is trying to put some smoke before ICJ brings it final decision. In contrary I am not desperate at all because I know one thing, even if the whole world says Kosova must go back under Serbia the only way for me to accept that is if I am dad otherwise Serbia will never step in my land while I am alive.

Dragan

pre 15 godina

In other words, if the ICJ rules that the declaration of Kosovo's independence was somehow 'legal', then the ICJ is a joke just like that political kangaroo court in the Hague. Vuk is right for pointing this out. He should go further and say that if the ICJ rules the independence somehow legal, then Republika Srpska will immediately declare independence and will be recognized by Serbia and Russia for starters. That should get the colonialists thinking before they start to armtwist the ICJ judges.

genc

pre 15 godina

"Unless there are no political pressures..." - He's leaving the door wide open and doing it too plainly for a diplomat. Or he's been told to say so in his recent visit in Moscow? Maybe it's for that the door is left wide open.

EA

pre 15 godina

"Unless there are political pressures, there is no chance the ICJ would rule in favor of Kosovo's independence, says Vuk Jeremić"

I didn't know that Jeremic can be a superjudge or talk on behalf of the ICJ. If he really believe in the REAL JUSTICE he should shut up and let the Court to decide. But what Jeremic is trying to say is "I am feeling the hit of the ICJ ruling and just looking for excuses about political pressure"

It was Jeremic and Serbia on his behalf whom wound up the UN seeking an interpretation from the ICJ. The REALITY is that Serbia is not serious about the "international law" when seeking the opinion of ICJ. Its intention is purely undermining the will of Kosova's people of being independent from Serbia. Serbia has not intention of accepting any ruling from ICJ should it decide the Kosova decision of proclaiming independence from Serbia as legitimate. So should the Kosova Albanians accept any decison which goes against its people will? No one can decide on behalf of Kosovar people. Full stop! Serbia is pushing its luck that by obstructing Kosova's independence is forcing Kosova joining Albania. It is more REALISTIC for Kosova to joing Albania than returning to Serbia. I hope I will not be misunderstood and misinterpreted here by the Serbian panel.

marKo

pre 15 godina

The separatists have a very small window of opportunity to make independence happen and they have thus far squandered it.
What has become of the donor money that came to the Kosovars when the global economy was good,
When will the next western handout come?
Why does a place that sits on rosebud coal not have dirty .electricity?
When bulldozers ripped down a Gorani school in October, what the separatists gained in authority they lost in influence (domestically and abroad).
What happens to all apartheid states?



However on the other side the Serbian authorities have an equally small window of opportunity to defend Serbia's sovereignty and it seems that the are squandering it by putting the sovereignty of the country in the hands of a foreign judiciary tribunal that is beholden to politics and makes rulings that are not binding. My deepest fear is that the ruling will not be for or against independence and if this is Serbia’s only defence (see Boris Tadic's recent article) what will we have left?

It will be a little late to say Oh Kostunica was right etc.

Astro

pre 15 godina

I understand that as a Foreign Minister of Serbia he has to say that ( weather he beleives it I don't know). Nobody expects him to say the opposite.
However I think that when a diplomat makes a statament he surely shuldnt express his hopes and/or dreams, he should on the other hand say the reality.
To say "there is no chance" that something will happen or not is not very cleaver the least.
Furthermore he says "if there is no political pressure, there is no chance". That does not make any sense. Doesn't he have any advisors who could tell him what to say before he shoots his mouth and makes himself look "undiplomatic".

Alban

pre 15 godina

Jeremic dreaming out loud! By summer Kosova will have 51% of UN in the bag and will start with US to pressure (or buy) Russia off. Such is politics. But half of a quasi state is much better than a serbian province. Kosova will enter IMF and World Bank this spring and Albania--by then a NATO member--can help with the rest.

Oh, and Serbia can kiss EU goodbye in that case.

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Alban

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Was Kosovo not meant to have 100 recognitions in December last year? Also, what difference will Albania make, even if it is in NATO?

MikeC

pre 15 godina

So much for the "dependent" republic of Kosovo. I guess it's not the kind of independece Albanians had in mind. Kosovo today is nothing but the Black Hole of Europe.

AC

pre 15 godina

"Unless there are political pressures, there is no chance"

What a nice out...so there is no chance, unless there is, in which case it's only due to political pressures!

MikeC

pre 15 godina

So much for the "dependent" republic of Kosovo. I guess it's not the kind of independece Albanians had in mind. Kosovo today is nothing but the Black Hole of Europe.

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

This is exactly one of the ways how politicians prepare their people for coming defeats:

"We are right, and if we do not get the result we wished for then somebody behind coerced or manipulated that".

Well, looks like that the Serbian politicians start to realize that nothing is really sure. There is a big chance that the ICJ will not rule clearly in favor for Serbia. However, anything but a clear ruling in favor of Serbia would be an Albanian victory. Serbia should have stick with its "normal" fight. An ICJ contains only the risk of a not favorable ruling, whereas a ruling in favor for Serbia will change the stance for maybe a few countries, but not the bulk of the Western world.

Nelli_Canada

pre 15 godina

Even though some Albanians in here are saying that the decision will be somewhere in the middle, please convince me why would that be in the middle since UN, EU are on the side of stability!. Do you think that UN(ICJ) would make a decision against EU?. Remember that it was EU who called on all its' members to recognize Kosova as an independent STATE.

Kosova has already won and there is no need for anyone to waste time discussing it however I wish Jeremic best of luck in changing the reality.

genc

pre 15 godina

"Unless there are no political pressures..." - He's leaving the door wide open and doing it too plainly for a diplomat. Or he's been told to say so in his recent visit in Moscow? Maybe it's for that the door is left wide open.

Daniel

pre 15 godina

Jeremic is right. The FACT is that former president Bill Clinton is actively lobbying for countries to recognize Kosovo's UDI. If he's doing that, why wouldn't he and others such as Ahtisaari lobby the ICJ for a positive ruling in favor of Kosovo's Albanians. If you believe they aren't then you are very naive. The world isn't a world of justice; it's a world of influence. As we say here in the US, it's not what you know but who you know. Hopefully, the ruling will be one independent of influence, regardless of the outcome of the ruling. Serbia did the right thing in asking for a decision, something that thus far Kosovo's Albanian government cannot seem to do. The Albanians won't even accept criticism of any of their own. Even when some of their people are brought to trial in the Hague, they immediately kill off or severely intimidate witnesses. Kosovo's Albanians could stand to learn a lot from the Serbs in how to behave. Even B92 allows all kinds of comments from everyone on it's site. I wonder how open Kosovo's Albanian media sources are?

Alban

pre 15 godina

Jeremic dreaming out loud! By summer Kosova will have 51% of UN in the bag and will start with US to pressure (or buy) Russia off. Such is politics. But half of a quasi state is much better than a serbian province. Kosova will enter IMF and World Bank this spring and Albania--by then a NATO member--can help with the rest.

Oh, and Serbia can kiss EU goodbye in that case.

EA

pre 15 godina

"Unless there are political pressures, there is no chance the ICJ would rule in favor of Kosovo's independence, says Vuk Jeremić"

I didn't know that Jeremic can be a superjudge or talk on behalf of the ICJ. If he really believe in the REAL JUSTICE he should shut up and let the Court to decide. But what Jeremic is trying to say is "I am feeling the hit of the ICJ ruling and just looking for excuses about political pressure"

It was Jeremic and Serbia on his behalf whom wound up the UN seeking an interpretation from the ICJ. The REALITY is that Serbia is not serious about the "international law" when seeking the opinion of ICJ. Its intention is purely undermining the will of Kosova's people of being independent from Serbia. Serbia has not intention of accepting any ruling from ICJ should it decide the Kosova decision of proclaiming independence from Serbia as legitimate. So should the Kosova Albanians accept any decison which goes against its people will? No one can decide on behalf of Kosovar people. Full stop! Serbia is pushing its luck that by obstructing Kosova's independence is forcing Kosova joining Albania. It is more REALISTIC for Kosova to joing Albania than returning to Serbia. I hope I will not be misunderstood and misinterpreted here by the Serbian panel.

Astro

pre 15 godina

I understand that as a Foreign Minister of Serbia he has to say that ( weather he beleives it I don't know). Nobody expects him to say the opposite.
However I think that when a diplomat makes a statament he surely shuldnt express his hopes and/or dreams, he should on the other hand say the reality.
To say "there is no chance" that something will happen or not is not very cleaver the least.
Furthermore he says "if there is no political pressure, there is no chance". That does not make any sense. Doesn't he have any advisors who could tell him what to say before he shoots his mouth and makes himself look "undiplomatic".

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Alban

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Was Kosovo not meant to have 100 recognitions in December last year? Also, what difference will Albania make, even if it is in NATO?

Dragan

pre 15 godina

In other words, if the ICJ rules that the declaration of Kosovo's independence was somehow 'legal', then the ICJ is a joke just like that political kangaroo court in the Hague. Vuk is right for pointing this out. He should go further and say that if the ICJ rules the independence somehow legal, then Republika Srpska will immediately declare independence and will be recognized by Serbia and Russia for starters. That should get the colonialists thinking before they start to armtwist the ICJ judges.

Tesla

pre 15 godina

"After that, no country will recognize Kosovo, it will not be able to join international organizations," said Jeremić."

Great diplomacy. The fortunate thing is that not a single bullet will have to be fired to guarantee Serbian sovereignty over its province of KiM.

The greater Albanian dream is dead and the chickens are coming home to roost.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"even if the whole world says Kosova must go back under Serbia the only way for me to accept that is if I am dad otherwise Serbia will never step in my land while I am alive.
(Toni, 21 February 2009 17:22)"

just another comment that makes me smile.

you know, these kind of phrases, about Serbia stepping into your land...

first of all, Serbia cannot step in because it IS serbian land, and you will be "dad" if you get a little more reasonable and wiser in the future and you will be very disappointed in the future.

but I am fine with that. =)
let´s just see what future brings... ;)

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Jeremic dreaming out loud! By summer Kosova will have 51% of UN in the bag and will start with US to pressure (or buy) Russia off. Such is politics. But half of a quasi state is much better than a serbian province. Kosova will enter IMF and World Bank this spring and Albania--by then a NATO member--can help with the rest.

Oh, and Serbia can kiss EU goodbye in that case.
(Alban, 21 February 2009 16:13)

With what money Alban? America is broke and they have been borrowing money from China. Be realistic here.
Maybe Russia will be able to "persuade" broke US somehow.

Demi wrote,

You can dream how much you want Jeremic Serbia it's a done deal.but the albanians have an englishmen who represent us at the ICJ. That sayes it all what the outcome will be. And when ICJ hear the truth about what happend to the albanians under the 90.s with Milosevic

Demi, I think ICJ has heard ALL Albanian reports by now. They have not lived on the moon until now. What more can your Englishman tell them that they haven't heard already?
Besides, do you think that the English are that superior to others so you cannot possible lose with one in your corner?

If this is your argument, you are clutching at straws here.

ben

pre 15 godina

"less there are political pressures, there is no chance the ICJ would rule in favor of Kosovo's independence, says Vuk Jeremić."

This is one of the many charlatan statements of the Serbian officials.

This man lacks respect of the international law and all day speaks abut the allegedly breach of the international law.

His statement is a pure and blunt pressure on the ICJ.

Instead of respecting the ICJ and not interfering in her decisions he is drawing bounds to ICJ in which way ICJ must rule.

In other he lacks a basic democratic education by not respecting the independence of the courts. I guess he had a update on the law and independent juridical system during permanence in Moscow where he assited the "trial" of Plitkovskaja.

Finally, he affirms that someone can and is willing to corrupt (political pressure) the ICJ. That is EU and US will attempt to corrupt ICJ. Yet he wants his country to be part of EU.

Someone in Belgrade should try to put end to this irresponsible politicians but since Belgrade is not able to think democratically (Gligorov analyst here in B92 couple of weeks ago) EU should help Serbia in that by shouting the door in a face to her until she will not learn the democratic rules and basic democratic behaviour.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

#13 is a lucky number for Albanians this time because let's admit, "shq" is right.

Arm-twisting of ICJ is bad. And what Jeremic was/is doing is precisely that.

However: certainly, his opponents are doing PRECISELY the same.

In other words: both sides do arm-twisting.

My feeling is, ICJ will do their best to issue a ruling which can be interpreted many ways. And we will be at the square one.

Hope, I am wrong and it will be in Serbia's favor.

AC

pre 15 godina

"Unless there are political pressures, there is no chance"

What a nice out...so there is no chance, unless there is, in which case it's only due to political pressures!

Toni

pre 15 godina

I wonder why Jeremic is so desperate of ICJ ruling in Kosovo Independence. From his comments you can clearly see that he is preparing from now the Serb public of eventual ICJ ruling in favor of Independence. I understand Mr. Jeremic because if it happens that the ICJ will rule in the favor of Independence then he will be the first one to be blamed for this so I understand him completely why he is trying to put some smoke before ICJ brings it final decision. In contrary I am not desperate at all because I know one thing, even if the whole world says Kosova must go back under Serbia the only way for me to accept that is if I am dad otherwise Serbia will never step in my land while I am alive.

marKo

pre 15 godina

The separatists have a very small window of opportunity to make independence happen and they have thus far squandered it.
What has become of the donor money that came to the Kosovars when the global economy was good,
When will the next western handout come?
Why does a place that sits on rosebud coal not have dirty .electricity?
When bulldozers ripped down a Gorani school in October, what the separatists gained in authority they lost in influence (domestically and abroad).
What happens to all apartheid states?



However on the other side the Serbian authorities have an equally small window of opportunity to defend Serbia's sovereignty and it seems that the are squandering it by putting the sovereignty of the country in the hands of a foreign judiciary tribunal that is beholden to politics and makes rulings that are not binding. My deepest fear is that the ruling will not be for or against independence and if this is Serbia’s only defence (see Boris Tadic's recent article) what will we have left?

It will be a little late to say Oh Kostunica was right etc.

Demi

pre 15 godina

You can dream how much you want Jeremic but the albanians have an englishmen who represent us at the ICJ. That sayes it all what the outcome will be. And when ICJ hear the truth about what happend to the albanians under the 90.s with Milosevic as a leader of Serbia it's a done deal.

There is no way for Serbia to win at ICJ. Albaians are very confident of winning the case. Serbia will just be ashamed.

Reamemeber serbs that if ICJ rules in favor of ther albanians you have no minimum chance of getting Kosovo back. Then it's just to accept reality and stop talking nonsens like you do now.


Whatever happends at the ICJ Kosovo will never lose it's independence. That is a promise that I can hold. Serbia has lost Kosovo forever.

shq

pre 15 godina

"Unless there are political pressures, there is no chance the ICJ would rule in favor of Kosovo's independence, says Vuk Jeremić."
That is political pressure is bad..
and then
"Asked whether he had any reaction from the countries that have not recognized Kosovo, to which he sent a letter asking them to send their opinion to the ICJ in the written form, Jeremić said his Russian interlocutors assured him Moscow would do this very soon."
That is, let's put some pressure on that court

johny

pre 15 godina

Ok, lets be realistic here for once, whether you are Serbian or Albanian. I think by this time everyone should have understood that the ICJ ruling will be unclear. It will not answer the question with a yes or a no. Jeremic and Serbia know this but do not want to accept it because they fear it. This is why you have Jeremic trying undermine the same ICJ they are seeking approval from before the final decision is made. It is always the same tactics coming from Serbia. Try something, if it doesn't work in Serbia's favor declare it corrupt and irrelevant. Examples? Just look at how they see the US, UK, France, all the countries that have recognized Kosova, most of the EU, all the former UNMIK leaders in Kosova, NATO, the Hague Tribunal, the ICJ (according to Jeremic will be corrupted soon), add to the list the World Bank, the IMF, all the sport federations Kosova is part of. I can go for hours. The point is that Serbia as a state is a spiteful and mercurial state.

P.S When you are asking for a an opinion, scientifically speaking the science of probability tells us there are many probable answers. Its as simple as that.

Serbia will have a rude awakening after the ICJ ruling. That is what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket, and you market that to your population as your salvation. The ruling will be anything but clear.

Ruben

pre 15 godina

This means that when ICJ decides on the favor of Kosovo, Serbia will say it was due to political influence and will not respect the decision.

But the joke would on her this time around.

UNE

pre 15 godina

Jermeic must think that the Serbs are idiots. If there is no pressure..... LOL there is no pressure they will rule as they see fit. If it is in favur of Sebria there was no pressure.. If it is against there was pressure... Cant have it both ways Jeremic. The world is seeing through your shennanigans and they are calling your moronic bluff. The only country that supports you is Russia not because they are right but because you sold them NISS and many other great deals. We see how it will end.
Indipendence is a done deal

laluc

pre 15 godina

Of course Jeremic will make such a claim. He's in Russia (on yet another trip). He has to sound "tough and confident".

The truth is that even if the ICJ ruling doesn't favor independence, its most likely outcome will be somewhere in the middle (not supporting Kosovo nor Serbia).

This means a victory for Kosovo. As we've said before Serbia needs an absolute vote of approval from the ICJ, while Kosovo only needs a vote of approval OR a decision somewhere in the middle.

And at the end of the day, there will probably be some political pressure from the West for the ICJ to side with Kosovo. So Albanians win regardless.

enie

pre 15 godina

Really who give a damn about ICJ what they have to say or not for kosova issue and serbia and russia can't continue with they arrogant idea's because albanians nothing can stop them and no one can't touch them anymore..

johny

pre 15 godina

Expect new recognitions real soon. Everytime Jeremic says there will be no recognitions there is a country that recognizes after that.

Daniel

pre 15 godina

Jeremic is right. The FACT is that former president Bill Clinton is actively lobbying for countries to recognize Kosovo's UDI. If he's doing that, why wouldn't he and others such as Ahtisaari lobby the ICJ for a positive ruling in favor of Kosovo's Albanians. If you believe they aren't then you are very naive. The world isn't a world of justice; it's a world of influence. As we say here in the US, it's not what you know but who you know. Hopefully, the ruling will be one independent of influence, regardless of the outcome of the ruling. Serbia did the right thing in asking for a decision, something that thus far Kosovo's Albanian government cannot seem to do. The Albanians won't even accept criticism of any of their own. Even when some of their people are brought to trial in the Hague, they immediately kill off or severely intimidate witnesses. Kosovo's Albanians could stand to learn a lot from the Serbs in how to behave. Even B92 allows all kinds of comments from everyone on it's site. I wonder how open Kosovo's Albanian media sources are?

Alban

pre 15 godina

Jeremic dreaming out loud! By summer Kosova will have 51% of UN in the bag and will start with US to pressure (or buy) Russia off. Such is politics. But half of a quasi state is much better than a serbian province. Kosova will enter IMF and World Bank this spring and Albania--by then a NATO member--can help with the rest.

Oh, and Serbia can kiss EU goodbye in that case.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

So much for the "dependent" republic of Kosovo. I guess it's not the kind of independece Albanians had in mind. Kosovo today is nothing but the Black Hole of Europe.

Astro

pre 15 godina

I understand that as a Foreign Minister of Serbia he has to say that ( weather he beleives it I don't know). Nobody expects him to say the opposite.
However I think that when a diplomat makes a statament he surely shuldnt express his hopes and/or dreams, he should on the other hand say the reality.
To say "there is no chance" that something will happen or not is not very cleaver the least.
Furthermore he says "if there is no political pressure, there is no chance". That does not make any sense. Doesn't he have any advisors who could tell him what to say before he shoots his mouth and makes himself look "undiplomatic".

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Alban

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Was Kosovo not meant to have 100 recognitions in December last year? Also, what difference will Albania make, even if it is in NATO?

Dragan

pre 15 godina

In other words, if the ICJ rules that the declaration of Kosovo's independence was somehow 'legal', then the ICJ is a joke just like that political kangaroo court in the Hague. Vuk is right for pointing this out. He should go further and say that if the ICJ rules the independence somehow legal, then Republika Srpska will immediately declare independence and will be recognized by Serbia and Russia for starters. That should get the colonialists thinking before they start to armtwist the ICJ judges.

Demi

pre 15 godina

You can dream how much you want Jeremic but the albanians have an englishmen who represent us at the ICJ. That sayes it all what the outcome will be. And when ICJ hear the truth about what happend to the albanians under the 90.s with Milosevic as a leader of Serbia it's a done deal.

There is no way for Serbia to win at ICJ. Albaians are very confident of winning the case. Serbia will just be ashamed.

Reamemeber serbs that if ICJ rules in favor of ther albanians you have no minimum chance of getting Kosovo back. Then it's just to accept reality and stop talking nonsens like you do now.


Whatever happends at the ICJ Kosovo will never lose it's independence. That is a promise that I can hold. Serbia has lost Kosovo forever.

laluc

pre 15 godina

Of course Jeremic will make such a claim. He's in Russia (on yet another trip). He has to sound "tough and confident".

The truth is that even if the ICJ ruling doesn't favor independence, its most likely outcome will be somewhere in the middle (not supporting Kosovo nor Serbia).

This means a victory for Kosovo. As we've said before Serbia needs an absolute vote of approval from the ICJ, while Kosovo only needs a vote of approval OR a decision somewhere in the middle.

And at the end of the day, there will probably be some political pressure from the West for the ICJ to side with Kosovo. So Albanians win regardless.

AC

pre 15 godina

"Unless there are political pressures, there is no chance"

What a nice out...so there is no chance, unless there is, in which case it's only due to political pressures!

Toni

pre 15 godina

I wonder why Jeremic is so desperate of ICJ ruling in Kosovo Independence. From his comments you can clearly see that he is preparing from now the Serb public of eventual ICJ ruling in favor of Independence. I understand Mr. Jeremic because if it happens that the ICJ will rule in the favor of Independence then he will be the first one to be blamed for this so I understand him completely why he is trying to put some smoke before ICJ brings it final decision. In contrary I am not desperate at all because I know one thing, even if the whole world says Kosova must go back under Serbia the only way for me to accept that is if I am dad otherwise Serbia will never step in my land while I am alive.

genc

pre 15 godina

"Unless there are no political pressures..." - He's leaving the door wide open and doing it too plainly for a diplomat. Or he's been told to say so in his recent visit in Moscow? Maybe it's for that the door is left wide open.

EA

pre 15 godina

"Unless there are political pressures, there is no chance the ICJ would rule in favor of Kosovo's independence, says Vuk Jeremić"

I didn't know that Jeremic can be a superjudge or talk on behalf of the ICJ. If he really believe in the REAL JUSTICE he should shut up and let the Court to decide. But what Jeremic is trying to say is "I am feeling the hit of the ICJ ruling and just looking for excuses about political pressure"

It was Jeremic and Serbia on his behalf whom wound up the UN seeking an interpretation from the ICJ. The REALITY is that Serbia is not serious about the "international law" when seeking the opinion of ICJ. Its intention is purely undermining the will of Kosova's people of being independent from Serbia. Serbia has not intention of accepting any ruling from ICJ should it decide the Kosova decision of proclaiming independence from Serbia as legitimate. So should the Kosova Albanians accept any decison which goes against its people will? No one can decide on behalf of Kosovar people. Full stop! Serbia is pushing its luck that by obstructing Kosova's independence is forcing Kosova joining Albania. It is more REALISTIC for Kosova to joing Albania than returning to Serbia. I hope I will not be misunderstood and misinterpreted here by the Serbian panel.

marKo

pre 15 godina

The separatists have a very small window of opportunity to make independence happen and they have thus far squandered it.
What has become of the donor money that came to the Kosovars when the global economy was good,
When will the next western handout come?
Why does a place that sits on rosebud coal not have dirty .electricity?
When bulldozers ripped down a Gorani school in October, what the separatists gained in authority they lost in influence (domestically and abroad).
What happens to all apartheid states?



However on the other side the Serbian authorities have an equally small window of opportunity to defend Serbia's sovereignty and it seems that the are squandering it by putting the sovereignty of the country in the hands of a foreign judiciary tribunal that is beholden to politics and makes rulings that are not binding. My deepest fear is that the ruling will not be for or against independence and if this is Serbia’s only defence (see Boris Tadic's recent article) what will we have left?

It will be a little late to say Oh Kostunica was right etc.

ben

pre 15 godina

"less there are political pressures, there is no chance the ICJ would rule in favor of Kosovo's independence, says Vuk Jeremić."

This is one of the many charlatan statements of the Serbian officials.

This man lacks respect of the international law and all day speaks abut the allegedly breach of the international law.

His statement is a pure and blunt pressure on the ICJ.

Instead of respecting the ICJ and not interfering in her decisions he is drawing bounds to ICJ in which way ICJ must rule.

In other he lacks a basic democratic education by not respecting the independence of the courts. I guess he had a update on the law and independent juridical system during permanence in Moscow where he assited the "trial" of Plitkovskaja.

Finally, he affirms that someone can and is willing to corrupt (political pressure) the ICJ. That is EU and US will attempt to corrupt ICJ. Yet he wants his country to be part of EU.

Someone in Belgrade should try to put end to this irresponsible politicians but since Belgrade is not able to think democratically (Gligorov analyst here in B92 couple of weeks ago) EU should help Serbia in that by shouting the door in a face to her until she will not learn the democratic rules and basic democratic behaviour.

UNE

pre 15 godina

Jermeic must think that the Serbs are idiots. If there is no pressure..... LOL there is no pressure they will rule as they see fit. If it is in favur of Sebria there was no pressure.. If it is against there was pressure... Cant have it both ways Jeremic. The world is seeing through your shennanigans and they are calling your moronic bluff. The only country that supports you is Russia not because they are right but because you sold them NISS and many other great deals. We see how it will end.
Indipendence is a done deal

Ataman

pre 15 godina

#13 is a lucky number for Albanians this time because let's admit, "shq" is right.

Arm-twisting of ICJ is bad. And what Jeremic was/is doing is precisely that.

However: certainly, his opponents are doing PRECISELY the same.

In other words: both sides do arm-twisting.

My feeling is, ICJ will do their best to issue a ruling which can be interpreted many ways. And we will be at the square one.

Hope, I am wrong and it will be in Serbia's favor.

enie

pre 15 godina

Really who give a damn about ICJ what they have to say or not for kosova issue and serbia and russia can't continue with they arrogant idea's because albanians nothing can stop them and no one can't touch them anymore..

johny

pre 15 godina

Expect new recognitions real soon. Everytime Jeremic says there will be no recognitions there is a country that recognizes after that.

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

This is exactly one of the ways how politicians prepare their people for coming defeats:

"We are right, and if we do not get the result we wished for then somebody behind coerced or manipulated that".

Well, looks like that the Serbian politicians start to realize that nothing is really sure. There is a big chance that the ICJ will not rule clearly in favor for Serbia. However, anything but a clear ruling in favor of Serbia would be an Albanian victory. Serbia should have stick with its "normal" fight. An ICJ contains only the risk of a not favorable ruling, whereas a ruling in favor for Serbia will change the stance for maybe a few countries, but not the bulk of the Western world.

shq

pre 15 godina

"Unless there are political pressures, there is no chance the ICJ would rule in favor of Kosovo's independence, says Vuk Jeremić."
That is political pressure is bad..
and then
"Asked whether he had any reaction from the countries that have not recognized Kosovo, to which he sent a letter asking them to send their opinion to the ICJ in the written form, Jeremić said his Russian interlocutors assured him Moscow would do this very soon."
That is, let's put some pressure on that court

johny

pre 15 godina

Ok, lets be realistic here for once, whether you are Serbian or Albanian. I think by this time everyone should have understood that the ICJ ruling will be unclear. It will not answer the question with a yes or a no. Jeremic and Serbia know this but do not want to accept it because they fear it. This is why you have Jeremic trying undermine the same ICJ they are seeking approval from before the final decision is made. It is always the same tactics coming from Serbia. Try something, if it doesn't work in Serbia's favor declare it corrupt and irrelevant. Examples? Just look at how they see the US, UK, France, all the countries that have recognized Kosova, most of the EU, all the former UNMIK leaders in Kosova, NATO, the Hague Tribunal, the ICJ (according to Jeremic will be corrupted soon), add to the list the World Bank, the IMF, all the sport federations Kosova is part of. I can go for hours. The point is that Serbia as a state is a spiteful and mercurial state.

P.S When you are asking for a an opinion, scientifically speaking the science of probability tells us there are many probable answers. Its as simple as that.

Serbia will have a rude awakening after the ICJ ruling. That is what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket, and you market that to your population as your salvation. The ruling will be anything but clear.

Ruben

pre 15 godina

This means that when ICJ decides on the favor of Kosovo, Serbia will say it was due to political influence and will not respect the decision.

But the joke would on her this time around.

Tesla

pre 15 godina

"After that, no country will recognize Kosovo, it will not be able to join international organizations," said Jeremić."

Great diplomacy. The fortunate thing is that not a single bullet will have to be fired to guarantee Serbian sovereignty over its province of KiM.

The greater Albanian dream is dead and the chickens are coming home to roost.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"even if the whole world says Kosova must go back under Serbia the only way for me to accept that is if I am dad otherwise Serbia will never step in my land while I am alive.
(Toni, 21 February 2009 17:22)"

just another comment that makes me smile.

you know, these kind of phrases, about Serbia stepping into your land...

first of all, Serbia cannot step in because it IS serbian land, and you will be "dad" if you get a little more reasonable and wiser in the future and you will be very disappointed in the future.

but I am fine with that. =)
let´s just see what future brings... ;)

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Jeremic dreaming out loud! By summer Kosova will have 51% of UN in the bag and will start with US to pressure (or buy) Russia off. Such is politics. But half of a quasi state is much better than a serbian province. Kosova will enter IMF and World Bank this spring and Albania--by then a NATO member--can help with the rest.

Oh, and Serbia can kiss EU goodbye in that case.
(Alban, 21 February 2009 16:13)

With what money Alban? America is broke and they have been borrowing money from China. Be realistic here.
Maybe Russia will be able to "persuade" broke US somehow.

Demi wrote,

You can dream how much you want Jeremic Serbia it's a done deal.but the albanians have an englishmen who represent us at the ICJ. That sayes it all what the outcome will be. And when ICJ hear the truth about what happend to the albanians under the 90.s with Milosevic

Demi, I think ICJ has heard ALL Albanian reports by now. They have not lived on the moon until now. What more can your Englishman tell them that they haven't heard already?
Besides, do you think that the English are that superior to others so you cannot possible lose with one in your corner?

If this is your argument, you are clutching at straws here.

Nelli_Canada

pre 15 godina

Even though some Albanians in here are saying that the decision will be somewhere in the middle, please convince me why would that be in the middle since UN, EU are on the side of stability!. Do you think that UN(ICJ) would make a decision against EU?. Remember that it was EU who called on all its' members to recognize Kosova as an independent STATE.

Kosova has already won and there is no need for anyone to waste time discussing it however I wish Jeremic best of luck in changing the reality.