"Jeremić makes point, EU outraged"

If this is true, great work. Too bad he wasn't rude to Solana himself, but let's hope that happens next time, and let's hope it happens in public.

samo napred! these EU guys are doing nothing for us and the Serbs have had enough of the games!

CCCC

He believes that Jeremić's "demonstration" was unnecessary, "considering that the meeting was closed to the public "

The difference between a "real" FM and a fake one is that the real one says what he thinks even if the meeting is open for the public or closed for the public.

Bravo Vuk, show them some Serb "inat" (spite).

Well done Vuk

We make a big deal when it comes to integration and most Serbs would like to join the EU. However, its obvious their politcians are playing games with us. Furthermore, the EU may not exist in a few years. The Euro has done nothing but strengthen since it started up. Now with the recession, you will begin to see clanks in the armor of the EU. These countries have a long history of protectionism and scuffles have already started among member nations. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the EU is a great idea in a vacuum. But in reality, on the stuff hits the fan, don't be surprised to see the EU cease to exist. And as Serbs, we are going to give up so much to appease a bloc of nations that won't exist in the future? Let's not be fooled. Let the west gas up the albanians about false promises, not us.

RE: Albania and Italy

All economic indicators for Albania are below Serbia's and it is only going to get worse. The SAA agreement means nothing, the EU made a mistake allowing early entry to Bulgaria and Romania without meeting the EU requirements fully, Albania has a longer road than the aformentioned countries.

Italy may have some projects going in the "Albanian Riviera" but they are the highest debt nation in the EU and liquidity is drying up in all EU countries. Even Fiat is having problems and have already indicated that funding for Zastava in Belgrade is in question now.

i had had the greatest misfortune of working with sorensen.
according to my sources and former colleagues, sorensen went into a meeting all pompous and arrogant and whilst jeremic politely reminded him that the serbian government (as it is already a well known fact) will not negotiate with eu/eulex or anything that has any connections with eu (for serbia does not acknowledge the presence of eu in kosovo), but only with un/umik and their respective officials/representatives.
so, he went all ballistic and threw a tantrum like a 5 year old. the reason why solana and others do not intend to pursue any actions against serbian government is because they already know that sorensen was responsible for the entire incident.

Jeremic had it coming. This gaffe, coupled with his statement about ICJ, shows his inability to hide his frustration. What's his problem? He had hoped that by taking the issue to ICJ, Serbia in the meantime would capture Mladic and made it close to EU, hopefully dragging Kosova with it, and then he would declare himself a second Milo Obilic.
EU and Kosova are both very delicate and difficult problems. Serbia trusted these to an erratic man that behaves like a teenager. It's no news that anyone dealing long enough with Kosova, sooner or later will loose his mind and allow anger to replace rationality. Even Tadic today, talks angrier than ever. But Jeremic, well he is simply an arrogant and arrogance is a guarrantie for failure. He will get the boot soon. His "lecturing" is paying him back. No one will miss him.

Great news for Albanians and Kosova. Jeremic's weakness and amateurism works in our favor. Thanks!

Jeremic as FM, like Tadic as former PM, is still caught in the foreign politics of Kostunica, which denied Serbia's way to Europe. This is well seen by Rada Trajkovic in Gracanica in her interview with Radio Free Europe on 29 January, in which she accuses the Serbian government: "Trajkovic added that Belgrade's negative reaction "is feeding the Kosovo Serbs' frustrations and could further separate Serbs from the international community."

By continuing the Serbian government's stance on Kosovo, still the same as Milosevic' thinking and handling that started in 1988, this government has only two trump card left: the ICJ and Russia. Both cards are not the securest to play with, that's why Jeremic always has to show himself very optimistic about the outcome of the game.

To those Serbs who may think that the EU's days are counted. There are two currencies that are reigning the world's economy, even in times of decline: the Dollar and the Euro. The economies of Russia, China, India are all depending on those. As long as this is the fact, and I see no reason it wouldn't be, we all are depending on them and the policy of the Nations that are standing behind it, if you like it or not, get used to it, before it is too late!
In our days it is easy to let a Serbia with big financial problems go bankrupt.

Excellent job Vuk! You have my strongest support and really hope that you will have enough strength to close the EU office in Belgrade once thier representatives overstep thier duties or demonstrate even the slightest disrespect for Serbia.

Good work Jeremic. I was skeptical on this new government in the beginning, but they have proven me wrong.

I wonder why these people even bother commenting in English. Just to show off some concept of Serbian despite???
Anyhow, it is clear that if what is reported here is true, the inexperienced head of Serbian diplomacy has severely damaged his country's position vis-a-vis the EU. I do not see how the point he allegedly proved was of any use to Serbia, and has possibly just undermined its negotiating position.

hahahah ..it is not a first time serbians have a arrogant politician and it will not be the LAST..

Awww, Peter Sorensen feelings were hurt. And he went and cried to the EU. Grow up Sorensen, you're not in grade school anymore.

>> "@ alban
Do you honestly think that albania will get into the EU? No country will block Albania's integration? I think you are just writing it on this board, but be a realist please!"

Realist, why would anyone block Albania? Albanian has no problems with anyone. All Albanian has to do is listen to EU, apply the reforms and wait. Plus, NATO membership is a powerful tool to shave a year or two off EU accession as they share the same 'values'.

Albanian riviera is waiting to be utilized so the economy can quickly improve. Italy alone has started work on $4 billion in energy projects

Diplomatic slap in the face for the EU...oh well.

Well done Vuk.

"If this is true, great work. Too bad he wasn't rude to Solana himself, but let's hope that happens next time, and let's hope it happens in public."

Ummmm, Serbia's TOP priority is joining EU (before it gets blocked by CRO and Albania) and to have a better chance of 'saving' Kosova, so that's hardly great work.

Croatia is almost in, and Albania's SAA has been approved by 27/27 nations, Serbia's hasn't been activated yet. Both Albania and Croatia will almost certainly be in NATO in a month and that is a very powerful organization to be (just ask Turkey /Cyprus or Greece /FYROM.) If other Balkan countries get in EU before Serbia we know what will happen.

If signor Zannieri croses the line in Kosova he should be declared "persona non grata" in Kosova. His Serbia mission as well. Serbia polital arrogance and irresponsibility has caused the break up of Yugoslavia and now the dismantling of Serbia itself.

This is the way all politicians should be treated when they don't adhere to laws and agreements that they've made and agreed upon. The more the Euro and American politicians dislike you the more the rest of the world is convinced that you are a honorable, virtuous, and a God fearing young man worthy of respect on a global scale. If they all liked and loved you and praised you, then the opposite would be true and Serbia would be just another Albania or Montenegro.

@ alban
Do you honestly think that albania will get into the EU? No country will block Albania's integration? I think you are just writing it on this board, but be a realist please!

@ mircea
the us and eu are the biggest trading blocs in the world. Their gdp is over 13 trillion usd. However, this recession will hit them worse than ever before. All the billions being pumped into smaller underdeveloped (relatively) nations will stop as the countries being taking protectionist measures so they can get re-elected. Its the sad truth but look at france already! They just pumped in 7 billion into their automarket and foreign auto-workers from neighboring countries are already crying foul! The only country rebound soon (in my opinion) is china, because their stiumulus package will actually stimulate their economy, while political bixkering will make the us stimulus uneffective as well as any interaction from the ECB (european central bank)

Why join a club that's on its way down? Its my understanding that the SAA implementation that we serbs put in hurts our exports right? So we are begining to appease the EU. Do any of us who are pro-EU honestly think Germany and UK will let us in? Come on! Germany wants to have influence over the balkans, but we are serbs! We don't give in like the rest! But that comes with losses. Look at the albanians. They suck up and whatever theier told but in the end what happens? A greater ethnically cleased albania! Same for other countries too.

The balkans are a playground for proxy wars being led by bigger countries.

Jeremic's political future is just being built up with such actions.

It is obvious, that as a FM he was really active and has achieved a lot for Serbia, but on this way he stepped over the shoes of many people, you better don't step on.

But, I think he is just building up some credits in Serbia itself.

I wouldn't wonder if he would candidate soon for PM of Serbia.

cheers!

The EU is a great idea and countries like Croatia, BOsnia, Serbia, Albania, etc should be allowed in. It's weakness is it's economic structure. When it has a federal structure similar to the US's, it'll be much stronger. Until that hapens, it runs the risk of breaking up in crises such as this.

realist,

After reading the comments on B92 site, I have the impression that most Serbs are against EU membership.

Alban,

Which Balkan countries would block Serbia's entry into the EU?

Hey all, Solana's spokeswoman just said in the last paragraph that the source is not credible.

Why bother with the comments on something which is not even true?
If in case it is true, then Mircea you have your answer.

Looks like Serbia has decided that EU is not as attractive any more as nothing good comes from it, for Serbia anyway.

Diplomatic slap in the face for the EU...oh well.

Well done Vuk.
(Dragan, Toronto, 23 February 2009 02:59)

I agree, well done Vuk.
You should do it again, every two weeks if possible.

"Honored Serbia's demand" not to have a liason office in Belgrade. Ha! How magnanimous! How about honoring Serbia's demand to respect international law and resolution 1244? How about doing something to protect Serbs and other oppressed minorities in Kosovo? How about abolishing the illegal EULEX mission? How about the end of putting Serbia through conditions and obstacles that no other country is forced to go through?

Thanks. The real 'outrage' is the EU's continual cavalier attitude towards international law and the territorial integrity of Serbia. And...it appears that this 'report' itself is based on fake or faulty information. No such "humiliation" of the EU representative ever occurred.

This present government is in place thanks to the EU.If it did happen the script was well rehearsed and was merely for public consumption and not with serious intent. It is all theatre and we are just spectators , unfortunately.

A new virus is available !

1/ It would be strange enough that in the circumstances Serbia and EU become happy of each other. So it's normal that they do not praise each other. Also one should understand that Jeremic is just a functioner who can do quite little against the majority of EU. So there's no need to soot the piano player ... The world must change and change Europe before a solution for Kosovo and Metohija is found.

2/ I am not sure that the EU membership idea-fix is so good for Serbia. First of all because I am rather pessimistic about EU future. Within the fast developing crisis EU may change drastically to become less attractive for poor newcomers.

3/ Also I am very dissapointed that the Serbs and the Albanians are so radical. All wars one way or another end with peace and none of you can afford wasting so much efforts in vain.

Congratulations ! A new virus is loaded !

this "incident" has no meaning, actually.

it´s more kind of a show-event, in order to get support from the serbian public.

internationally it has no great effect at all. that´s why they made it happen.


after all, it´s only just another worthless B92-headline...

"If this is true, great work. Too bad he wasn't rude to Solana himself, but let's hope that happens next time, and let's hope it happens in public."

Ummmm, Serbia's TOP priority is joining EU (before it gets blocked by CRO and Albania) and to have a better chance of 'saving' Kosova, so that's hardly great work.

Croatia is almost in, and Albania's SAA has been approved by 27/27 nations, Serbia's hasn't been activated yet. Both Albania and Croatia will almost certainly be in NATO in a month and that is a very powerful organization to be (just ask Turkey /Cyprus or Greece /FYROM.) If other Balkan countries get in EU before Serbia we know what will happen.

Jeremic as FM, like Tadic as former PM, is still caught in the foreign politics of Kostunica, which denied Serbia's way to Europe. This is well seen by Rada Trajkovic in Gracanica in her interview with Radio Free Europe on 29 January, in which she accuses the Serbian government: "Trajkovic added that Belgrade's negative reaction "is feeding the Kosovo Serbs' frustrations and could further separate Serbs from the international community."

By continuing the Serbian government's stance on Kosovo, still the same as Milosevic' thinking and handling that started in 1988, this government has only two trump card left: the ICJ and Russia. Both cards are not the securest to play with, that's why Jeremic always has to show himself very optimistic about the outcome of the game.

To those Serbs who may think that the EU's days are counted. There are two currencies that are reigning the world's economy, even in times of decline: the Dollar and the Euro. The economies of Russia, China, India are all depending on those. As long as this is the fact, and I see no reason it wouldn't be, we all are depending on them and the policy of the Nations that are standing behind it, if you like it or not, get used to it, before it is too late!
In our days it is easy to let a Serbia with big financial problems go bankrupt.

If signor Zannieri croses the line in Kosova he should be declared "persona non grata" in Kosova. His Serbia mission as well. Serbia polital arrogance and irresponsibility has caused the break up of Yugoslavia and now the dismantling of Serbia itself.

realist,

After reading the comments on B92 site, I have the impression that most Serbs are against EU membership.

I wonder why these people even bother commenting in English. Just to show off some concept of Serbian despite???
Anyhow, it is clear that if what is reported here is true, the inexperienced head of Serbian diplomacy has severely damaged his country's position vis-a-vis the EU. I do not see how the point he allegedly proved was of any use to Serbia, and has possibly just undermined its negotiating position.

Great news for Albanians and Kosova. Jeremic's weakness and amateurism works in our favor. Thanks!

Awww, Peter Sorensen feelings were hurt. And he went and cried to the EU. Grow up Sorensen, you're not in grade school anymore.

We make a big deal when it comes to integration and most Serbs would like to join the EU. However, its obvious their politcians are playing games with us. Furthermore, the EU may not exist in a few years. The Euro has done nothing but strengthen since it started up. Now with the recession, you will begin to see clanks in the armor of the EU. These countries have a long history of protectionism and scuffles have already started among member nations. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the EU is a great idea in a vacuum. But in reality, on the stuff hits the fan, don't be surprised to see the EU cease to exist. And as Serbs, we are going to give up so much to appease a bloc of nations that won't exist in the future? Let's not be fooled. Let the west gas up the albanians about false promises, not us.

If this is true, great work. Too bad he wasn't rude to Solana himself, but let's hope that happens next time, and let's hope it happens in public.

The EU is a great idea and countries like Croatia, BOsnia, Serbia, Albania, etc should be allowed in. It's weakness is it's economic structure. When it has a federal structure similar to the US's, it'll be much stronger. Until that hapens, it runs the risk of breaking up in crises such as this.

Good work Jeremic. I was skeptical on this new government in the beginning, but they have proven me wrong.

This is the way all politicians should be treated when they don't adhere to laws and agreements that they've made and agreed upon. The more the Euro and American politicians dislike you the more the rest of the world is convinced that you are a honorable, virtuous, and a God fearing young man worthy of respect on a global scale. If they all liked and loved you and praised you, then the opposite would be true and Serbia would be just another Albania or Montenegro.

Jeremic had it coming. This gaffe, coupled with his statement about ICJ, shows his inability to hide his frustration. What's his problem? He had hoped that by taking the issue to ICJ, Serbia in the meantime would capture Mladic and made it close to EU, hopefully dragging Kosova with it, and then he would declare himself a second Milo Obilic.
EU and Kosova are both very delicate and difficult problems. Serbia trusted these to an erratic man that behaves like a teenager. It's no news that anyone dealing long enough with Kosova, sooner or later will loose his mind and allow anger to replace rationality. Even Tadic today, talks angrier than ever. But Jeremic, well he is simply an arrogant and arrogance is a guarrantie for failure. He will get the boot soon. His "lecturing" is paying him back. No one will miss him.

hahahah ..it is not a first time serbians have a arrogant politician and it will not be the LAST..

A new virus is available !

1/ It would be strange enough that in the circumstances Serbia and EU become happy of each other. So it's normal that they do not praise each other. Also one should understand that Jeremic is just a functioner who can do quite little against the majority of EU. So there's no need to soot the piano player ... The world must change and change Europe before a solution for Kosovo and Metohija is found.

2/ I am not sure that the EU membership idea-fix is so good for Serbia. First of all because I am rather pessimistic about EU future. Within the fast developing crisis EU may change drastically to become less attractive for poor newcomers.

3/ Also I am very dissapointed that the Serbs and the Albanians are so radical. All wars one way or another end with peace and none of you can afford wasting so much efforts in vain.

Congratulations ! A new virus is loaded !

@ alban
Do you honestly think that albania will get into the EU? No country will block Albania's integration? I think you are just writing it on this board, but be a realist please!

@ mircea
the us and eu are the biggest trading blocs in the world. Their gdp is over 13 trillion usd. However, this recession will hit them worse than ever before. All the billions being pumped into smaller underdeveloped (relatively) nations will stop as the countries being taking protectionist measures so they can get re-elected. Its the sad truth but look at france already! They just pumped in 7 billion into their automarket and foreign auto-workers from neighboring countries are already crying foul! The only country rebound soon (in my opinion) is china, because their stiumulus package will actually stimulate their economy, while political bixkering will make the us stimulus uneffective as well as any interaction from the ECB (european central bank)

Why join a club that's on its way down? Its my understanding that the SAA implementation that we serbs put in hurts our exports right? So we are begining to appease the EU. Do any of us who are pro-EU honestly think Germany and UK will let us in? Come on! Germany wants to have influence over the balkans, but we are serbs! We don't give in like the rest! But that comes with losses. Look at the albanians. They suck up and whatever theier told but in the end what happens? A greater ethnically cleased albania! Same for other countries too.

The balkans are a playground for proxy wars being led by bigger countries.

Hey all, Solana's spokeswoman just said in the last paragraph that the source is not credible.

Why bother with the comments on something which is not even true?
If in case it is true, then Mircea you have your answer.

Looks like Serbia has decided that EU is not as attractive any more as nothing good comes from it, for Serbia anyway.

>> "@ alban
Do you honestly think that albania will get into the EU? No country will block Albania's integration? I think you are just writing it on this board, but be a realist please!"

Realist, why would anyone block Albania? Albanian has no problems with anyone. All Albanian has to do is listen to EU, apply the reforms and wait. Plus, NATO membership is a powerful tool to shave a year or two off EU accession as they share the same 'values'.

Albanian riviera is waiting to be utilized so the economy can quickly improve. Italy alone has started work on $4 billion in energy projects

Diplomatic slap in the face for the EU...oh well.

Well done Vuk.
(Dragan, Toronto, 23 February 2009 02:59)

I agree, well done Vuk.
You should do it again, every two weeks if possible.

samo napred! these EU guys are doing nothing for us and the Serbs have had enough of the games!

CCCC

Excellent job Vuk! You have my strongest support and really hope that you will have enough strength to close the EU office in Belgrade once thier representatives overstep thier duties or demonstrate even the slightest disrespect for Serbia.

Alban,

Which Balkan countries would block Serbia's entry into the EU?

He believes that Jeremić's "demonstration" was unnecessary, "considering that the meeting was closed to the public "

The difference between a "real" FM and a fake one is that the real one says what he thinks even if the meeting is open for the public or closed for the public.

Bravo Vuk, show them some Serb "inat" (spite).

this "incident" has no meaning, actually.

it´s more kind of a show-event, in order to get support from the serbian public.

internationally it has no great effect at all. that´s why they made it happen.


after all, it´s only just another worthless B92-headline...

Jeremic's political future is just being built up with such actions.

It is obvious, that as a FM he was really active and has achieved a lot for Serbia, but on this way he stepped over the shoes of many people, you better don't step on.

But, I think he is just building up some credits in Serbia itself.

I wouldn't wonder if he would candidate soon for PM of Serbia.

cheers!

Diplomatic slap in the face for the EU...oh well.

Well done Vuk.

Well done Vuk

This present government is in place thanks to the EU.If it did happen the script was well rehearsed and was merely for public consumption and not with serious intent. It is all theatre and we are just spectators , unfortunately.

RE: Albania and Italy

All economic indicators for Albania are below Serbia's and it is only going to get worse. The SAA agreement means nothing, the EU made a mistake allowing early entry to Bulgaria and Romania without meeting the EU requirements fully, Albania has a longer road than the aformentioned countries.

Italy may have some projects going in the "Albanian Riviera" but they are the highest debt nation in the EU and liquidity is drying up in all EU countries. Even Fiat is having problems and have already indicated that funding for Zastava in Belgrade is in question now.

i had had the greatest misfortune of working with sorensen.
according to my sources and former colleagues, sorensen went into a meeting all pompous and arrogant and whilst jeremic politely reminded him that the serbian government (as it is already a well known fact) will not negotiate with eu/eulex or anything that has any connections with eu (for serbia does not acknowledge the presence of eu in kosovo), but only with un/umik and their respective officials/representatives.
so, he went all ballistic and threw a tantrum like a 5 year old. the reason why solana and others do not intend to pursue any actions against serbian government is because they already know that sorensen was responsible for the entire incident.

"Honored Serbia's demand" not to have a liason office in Belgrade. Ha! How magnanimous! How about honoring Serbia's demand to respect international law and resolution 1244? How about doing something to protect Serbs and other oppressed minorities in Kosovo? How about abolishing the illegal EULEX mission? How about the end of putting Serbia through conditions and obstacles that no other country is forced to go through?

Thanks. The real 'outrage' is the EU's continual cavalier attitude towards international law and the territorial integrity of Serbia. And...it appears that this 'report' itself is based on fake or faulty information. No such "humiliation" of the EU representative ever occurred.