JS: No to Vojvodina statute

I think Vojvodina missed an historical chance to divorce from Serbia in 1999. Serbia will never be will to negotiate its hegemomism. The only way to get your rights is by fighting hard.

Erzsébet - hahahaah. you wish, but it does raise an interesting point. with freedom of movement, serbs can move en masse into albania when in the EU, and declare that area to be demographically unique and to have autonomy or even independence. they should demand serbian language schools, newspapers, universities and tv stations and to be able to raise tax revenues in their new state.

anybody have a map of the regions in albania so we can see which area is promising?

I think,the time has come for Vojvodina to make its own decisions concerning with its statute. As we see things are pretty objective, Independence of Vojvodina is not avoidable.

Greetings from Brussels

ersbet behave, or i'm going to pay the symbolic one euro for bankrupt hungary.

ps: how many hungarians from vojvodina took hungarian/eu-passports? now we all know why so little, but what do you think? in mean up there, in brussels....

Erzsébet I totally agree with you, but why even bother with this Statute, Vojvodina should be Free and Independent right now, why bother delaying the inevitible.

Mr. Markovic why don't you get the citizens of Jagodina to pay for the new zoo there and leave the revenues from Vojvodina to the citizens of Vojvodina its there money not yours!!!

Freedom for All !!!

this coment are making it worse for serbias future together with vojvodina.
vojvodina gets 7% of budget to spent and contributes 70% to serbias economy.
serbias is losing vojvodina with her bad behavior and selfishnes.

Hah 70%
They cant even make Kosovo independent and they comment on Vojvodina. As soon as Seselj is out you will c just how independent Kosovo is. No matter how much time they waste they will not steal Kosovo. The less said about Vojvodina the better.

anybody have a map of the regions in albania so we can see which area is promising?
(PB, 20 February 2009 17:54)

I would propose rather do it for your children with the area around Montgomery, AL (USA) - it will beat anything in AL (Europe) for next few hundred years.

But I would chose West Coast ;)

Otherwise a very difficult topic. After massive ethnic cleansing of 1945 (and some years between the wars), Hungarians in Vojvodina are a clear minority. Yes, 1945 it was a gruesome, horrible ethnic cleansing - engineered by Stalin, executed by Tito. But good deal of local Serbs were caught into fever of killing - mostly driven by small revenge and greed.

Now with the "mother-country" being indeed in bad shape economically and in really awful shape politically, it is not very attractive to join it even for many Hungarians in Vojvodina. Serbs are the majority there and while some would not object, most are mildly speaking reserved.

In Hungary itself the people who support the change of Vojvodina status is a minority, too. Unless the majority of people in Vojvodina, the rest of Serbia and Hungary do want border change, things will remain the same.

IMO, border change is the least really we want. Vojvodina alone as independent state is difficult to imagine. It could be of course divided between Serbia, Croatia, Hungary, Romania - but imagine the quarrel and economic recession that would cause. Going to Hungary entirely or in part won't do things going better, we have here one sick horse trying to pull the cart, no need for one more sick horse.

That means - realistically - all it's about is economics. True: Vojvodina is worth much more to Serbia than the 7% it gets. True: Serbia itself is sick enough and every penny counts.

All this is very sad and painful and I have zero ideas what would make things better. Besides paying MUCH less to bureaucrats, promoting small business, making the borders completely transparent. And Din/Ft being attractive enough for export, but not down the tube. At the moment Din and Ft are both midgets, Ft being somewhat weaker.

One more thing - Serbia does recently a better job to attract business, the current crisis is rather psychological. Hungary on the other hand has a big problem, that only roughly 60% of the country population is working and most work in the state sector. Small business is chocked to death by taxes - people survive in the "grey" and "black" market. Average Hungarian has much higher GROSS salary than a Serb (or a Slovak). But after the taxes they are fairly close.

To give you a picture: a worker receiving roughly 1000 Euro/month (300000 Ft) netto will cost his/her company about a million Forint (3000 Euro)/month in expenses. Going to 500 Euro/month would make the burden still extremely high. And we are talking about peanuts. A 5000 USD/month netto salary will rarely cost a company in the States rarely 8500 USD.

I think,the time has come for Vojvodina to make its own decisions concerning with its statute. As we see things are pretty objective, Independence of Vojvodina is not avoidable.

Greetings from Brussels

ersbet behave, or i'm going to pay the symbolic one euro for bankrupt hungary.

ps: how many hungarians from vojvodina took hungarian/eu-passports? now we all know why so little, but what do you think? in mean up there, in brussels....

Erzsébet - hahahaah. you wish, but it does raise an interesting point. with freedom of movement, serbs can move en masse into albania when in the EU, and declare that area to be demographically unique and to have autonomy or even independence. they should demand serbian language schools, newspapers, universities and tv stations and to be able to raise tax revenues in their new state.

anybody have a map of the regions in albania so we can see which area is promising?

I think Vojvodina missed an historical chance to divorce from Serbia in 1999. Serbia will never be will to negotiate its hegemomism. The only way to get your rights is by fighting hard.

Erzsébet I totally agree with you, but why even bother with this Statute, Vojvodina should be Free and Independent right now, why bother delaying the inevitible.

Mr. Markovic why don't you get the citizens of Jagodina to pay for the new zoo there and leave the revenues from Vojvodina to the citizens of Vojvodina its there money not yours!!!

Freedom for All !!!

this coment are making it worse for serbias future together with vojvodina.
vojvodina gets 7% of budget to spent and contributes 70% to serbias economy.
serbias is losing vojvodina with her bad behavior and selfishnes.

Hah 70%
They cant even make Kosovo independent and they comment on Vojvodina. As soon as Seselj is out you will c just how independent Kosovo is. No matter how much time they waste they will not steal Kosovo. The less said about Vojvodina the better.

anybody have a map of the regions in albania so we can see which area is promising?
(PB, 20 February 2009 17:54)

I would propose rather do it for your children with the area around Montgomery, AL (USA) - it will beat anything in AL (Europe) for next few hundred years.

But I would chose West Coast ;)

Otherwise a very difficult topic. After massive ethnic cleansing of 1945 (and some years between the wars), Hungarians in Vojvodina are a clear minority. Yes, 1945 it was a gruesome, horrible ethnic cleansing - engineered by Stalin, executed by Tito. But good deal of local Serbs were caught into fever of killing - mostly driven by small revenge and greed.

Now with the "mother-country" being indeed in bad shape economically and in really awful shape politically, it is not very attractive to join it even for many Hungarians in Vojvodina. Serbs are the majority there and while some would not object, most are mildly speaking reserved.

In Hungary itself the people who support the change of Vojvodina status is a minority, too. Unless the majority of people in Vojvodina, the rest of Serbia and Hungary do want border change, things will remain the same.

IMO, border change is the least really we want. Vojvodina alone as independent state is difficult to imagine. It could be of course divided between Serbia, Croatia, Hungary, Romania - but imagine the quarrel and economic recession that would cause. Going to Hungary entirely or in part won't do things going better, we have here one sick horse trying to pull the cart, no need for one more sick horse.

That means - realistically - all it's about is economics. True: Vojvodina is worth much more to Serbia than the 7% it gets. True: Serbia itself is sick enough and every penny counts.

All this is very sad and painful and I have zero ideas what would make things better. Besides paying MUCH less to bureaucrats, promoting small business, making the borders completely transparent. And Din/Ft being attractive enough for export, but not down the tube. At the moment Din and Ft are both midgets, Ft being somewhat weaker.

One more thing - Serbia does recently a better job to attract business, the current crisis is rather psychological. Hungary on the other hand has a big problem, that only roughly 60% of the country population is working and most work in the state sector. Small business is chocked to death by taxes - people survive in the "grey" and "black" market. Average Hungarian has much higher GROSS salary than a Serb (or a Slovak). But after the taxes they are fairly close.

To give you a picture: a worker receiving roughly 1000 Euro/month (300000 Ft) netto will cost his/her company about a million Forint (3000 Euro)/month in expenses. Going to 500 Euro/month would make the burden still extremely high. And we are talking about peanuts. A 5000 USD/month netto salary will rarely cost a company in the States rarely 8500 USD.