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Friday, 20.02.2009.

09:27

Jeremić, Lavrov pen visa-free deal

Serbian and Russian Foreign Ministers Vuk Jeremić and Sergei Lavrov have signed an agreement in Moscow abolishing visas for Serbian and Russian citizens.

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Ataman

pre 15 godina

What about that the ‘radius’ of your country is linked with the peoples will to feel free and warm under that ray rather than to link it with the radius of your ‘nucs’???
(ben, 21 February 2009 14:33)

Such country wasn't invented yet, Ben. In that spirit and because we never can be safe, when America (or Russia) makes a 180-degree turn: Israel and Serbia MUST HAVE nuclear arsenal.

---------

how naïve I am that’s not something that Soviet nostalgic can understand- too irrelevant, and decadent western philosophy and conceptualisation of the new world order- the good old ‘nuce’ order is what they (you) love... International law- give me break don't insult my inteligence ;)))


LOL, I do not try to insult it. There is no "International law", only dog-eat-dog. There is not much to have nostalgia in Soviet time about, but the biggest organized and state-sponsored robbery of human history did happen AFTER it, it does happen all over Central/East Europe even now, all with "Western" involvement. It is called "privatization". There won't be much in THIS TIME anyone can be nostalgic about (unless they are involved in that process).

No doubt, Soviet regime is still well and alive - but the communists got rid of ideological ballast of "Marxism", they are pure mafiosi now - and boy, does "West" love (most of) them!

Ataman

pre 15 godina

If I remember correctly you were supposed to sell American products to ALL people in the Balkans including Albanians.
(Joe, 21 February 2009 16:01)

I am not a salesman and never was, Joe. Your memory is wrong. But if you want to help me in my job, please tell how certain storage ASIC-s do work because the documentation is horrible, officially provided code is one of the worst spaghetti (+over-engineered piece of cr@p) I ever seen and customers are waiting. Sorry, cannot say more openly because of NDA.

---------------

But in the current crisis the dollar went up, US products became more expensive and consumers greatly limit their purchases.
(Joe, 21 February 2009 16:01)

If you know how to manage mass storage-related R&D you can talk to us. Even during the crisis. But if you have no idea what we are doing, such comments are just a disguised (+failed) and baseless personal attack.

---------------

Otherwise only few days ago "Hand of Moscow" called me names, including that I am Beria - because of my critical stance to Russia. You will not work to hard to find it.

Your stance towards Russia and Serbia is laughable. As for my stance towards Russia: QUOD LICET JOVI, NON LICET BOVI. And it's worth to remember Cyrano's nose.

To Ben: sorry, Ben - but given the ordeal both Jews and Serbs went through, they NEED nuclear arsenal at their disposal to make sure, they sleep safe.

What concerns Albanians: they did prove with the deeds and even with "mature" words (on this side), arming them with even baseball bats is pretty dangerous.

Joe

pre 15 godina

Hallo Ataman,

I have the feeling your great expectations of leaving in happy Central-Europe didn't come to pass. Otherwise you would not attack people right and left - including me - for not having a special love for your mother Russia. What happened in your job? If I remember correctly you were supposed to sell American products to ALL people in the Balkans including Albanians. But in the current crisis the dollar went up, US products became more expensive and consumers greatly limit their purchases.

ben

pre 15 godina

Both Serbia and Israel do need nukes - and NOT few.
(Ataman, 21 February 2009 04:07)

For deterrence than we will need them too!

Eye for an eye and the world goes blind ;)

I love your sense of justice.

What about that the ‘radius’ of your country is linked with the peoples will to feel free and warm under that ray rather than to link it with the radius of your ‘nucs’??? how naïve I am that’s not something that Soviet nostalgic can understand- too irrelevant, and decadent western philosophy and conceptualisation of the new world order- the good old ‘nuce’ order is what they (you) love... International law- give me break don't insult my inteligence ;)))

Ataman

pre 15 godina

Who wants to Russia, even when visa is free?
(rolerkoster, 21 February 2009 00:57)

Some of your compatriots for sure. If they run out of churches to burn and loot, there are some more in Russia.
They should be real man and try their luck in Rostov or Novgorod, not in Prizren:

http://img-2004-05.photosight.ru/20/495448.jpg

Who knows, maybe they won't get away with nothing....

Ataman

pre 15 godina

More to #10

You could be right, some K-Albanians indeed should wait a little to visit Russia. I noticed, that the iconostas of Yaroslavl landmark (see also 1000 Rbl banknote!), the church Ioan the Baptist is under restauration. Isn't better to burn and loot the church AFTER the restauration? Sounds like a royal fun for me.

Look, what does await them to test their church-burning skills:

http://tinyurl.com/cxlaxh

http://tinyurl.com/dmfbzd

http://tinyurl.com/dguwzf


But in the meantime, they can always buy some of this in the bank

http://tinyurl.com/ckp3hf

and burn as many as they want. No problem with that.

Remark:

Russia has it's own problems and there is many things to critic. But who has no idea, never was there and suffers from acute mental illness called "Russiahatetitis" - should visit a doctor ASAP. OR maybe get a visa and visit the county (that's cheaper and will cure the problem better)

(Hello Roberto, hello Joe)

Ataman

pre 15 godina

to develop a few nuclear bombs like Israel has.
(luciano, 20 February 2009 22:24)

The only word I do not agree with is "few". The reality on the ground in 21st Century: no nukes = no respect = you can receive humanitarian bombing if someone is being caught in a sex scandal.

Both Serbia and Israel do need nukes - and NOT few.

tim

pre 15 godina

Good move solid relations with Russia are better than the EU. Hope Serbia expands to China, India Iran, and those countries in the EU that wish friendly relations.
Why do you think this is so important? It is because the USA and those allies that it is bullying into supporting perpetual war are going down economicaly. Russia, China, and a host of other countries not aligned with the USA are not embroiled in such adventures. Where do you think this will leave Kosovo when the USA collapses? Do you think Russia is retreating from the world stage with the low price of oil? No it isn't. Do you think the EU won't buy cheap Russian oil and gas? Of course it will! That is the only thing that will prevent a total collapse of the EU. So, Kosovo Albanian defeat is imminent. The time for honoring your theft is quickly coming to an end.

Joe

pre 15 godina

MB, Ireland,

Nice to see your "fatal" attraction to Russia. I think most Irish think like you. What a shame that geographically you are not much closer to them and could not profit of their friendly embrace. Can you imagine how well-off your countrymen would be today if instead of the British neighborhood you would be in the Russian neighborhood?

luciano

pre 15 godina

Serbia should issue Serbian passports to all Serbs living anywhere in Yugoslavia and insist on the Russians connecting Republika Srpska to the South Stream pipeline to ensure that country's energy supply.I think the Serbs should have gotten a better energy deal if they would have taken my advice and negotiated the Russians building a nuclear power plant in between Serbia and Republika Srpska which the Sebs could have used as a source of cheap energy and to develop a few nuclear bombs like Israel has.

Micheal Breathnach

pre 15 godina

I'm glad to see that Russia and Serbia have established visa-free travel for their citizens.
(I'm surprised that there actually was a visa requiremnet)
I feel that Serbia would do well by building on relations with Russia.
Just take a look at what the EU/US Consortium has done to Serbia in the last decade alone.
They tried to ruin you economically; they rigged the 2006 referendum result in Crna Gora (I know, I was there); they blamed you for all the wrongs in the Balkans which they themselves created; they are trying desperately to take away 18% of your Southern Territory (Kosovo i Metohija) and who knows what other sordid plans they have for you in the future.
And still, I see so many Serbs who think that the west is best.
No, please 'lock on' to Russia. They never did you any harm in your Nation's history.
Actually, in fact, Russia was the first country to recognise my country's independence from Britain back in 1921.
Russia and the East will blossom. Look at the state of the greedy West now. If they promise you anything, don't believe them or else you'll end up like Madoff's victims.

MB,Ireland

Raso

pre 15 godina

Thanks Russia for everything!

An extraordinary gesture, if you bear in mind that westerners don't need visas for Serbia & therefore also not for
Russia.

Or that - because of DS - 400 000 from the occupied parts of kosovo -without ans reason or control- got real, serbian, documents (while the Euro-Gaza "passports" only was issued 50 000 times, predominantly to albanian diaspora who also have real/foreign documents.

ben

pre 15 godina

Jeremić in Moscow to pen visa-free deal and to compliment teh Russian understadning of LAW and JUSTICE as with the Politkovskaja case- SHAME.

In Kosova this kind of "trials" cannot happen.

You can say whatever you want but this kind of "justice" never had and never will happen in Kosova.

Raso

pre 15 godina

Thanks Russia for everything!

An extraordinary gesture, if you bear in mind that westerners don't need visas for Serbia & therefore also not for
Russia.

Or that - because of DS - 400 000 from the occupied parts of kosovo -without ans reason or control- got real, serbian, documents (while the Euro-Gaza "passports" only was issued 50 000 times, predominantly to albanian diaspora who also have real/foreign documents.

Micheal Breathnach

pre 15 godina

I'm glad to see that Russia and Serbia have established visa-free travel for their citizens.
(I'm surprised that there actually was a visa requiremnet)
I feel that Serbia would do well by building on relations with Russia.
Just take a look at what the EU/US Consortium has done to Serbia in the last decade alone.
They tried to ruin you economically; they rigged the 2006 referendum result in Crna Gora (I know, I was there); they blamed you for all the wrongs in the Balkans which they themselves created; they are trying desperately to take away 18% of your Southern Territory (Kosovo i Metohija) and who knows what other sordid plans they have for you in the future.
And still, I see so many Serbs who think that the west is best.
No, please 'lock on' to Russia. They never did you any harm in your Nation's history.
Actually, in fact, Russia was the first country to recognise my country's independence from Britain back in 1921.
Russia and the East will blossom. Look at the state of the greedy West now. If they promise you anything, don't believe them or else you'll end up like Madoff's victims.

MB,Ireland

luciano

pre 15 godina

Serbia should issue Serbian passports to all Serbs living anywhere in Yugoslavia and insist on the Russians connecting Republika Srpska to the South Stream pipeline to ensure that country's energy supply.I think the Serbs should have gotten a better energy deal if they would have taken my advice and negotiated the Russians building a nuclear power plant in between Serbia and Republika Srpska which the Sebs could have used as a source of cheap energy and to develop a few nuclear bombs like Israel has.

tim

pre 15 godina

Good move solid relations with Russia are better than the EU. Hope Serbia expands to China, India Iran, and those countries in the EU that wish friendly relations.
Why do you think this is so important? It is because the USA and those allies that it is bullying into supporting perpetual war are going down economicaly. Russia, China, and a host of other countries not aligned with the USA are not embroiled in such adventures. Where do you think this will leave Kosovo when the USA collapses? Do you think Russia is retreating from the world stage with the low price of oil? No it isn't. Do you think the EU won't buy cheap Russian oil and gas? Of course it will! That is the only thing that will prevent a total collapse of the EU. So, Kosovo Albanian defeat is imminent. The time for honoring your theft is quickly coming to an end.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

to develop a few nuclear bombs like Israel has.
(luciano, 20 February 2009 22:24)

The only word I do not agree with is "few". The reality on the ground in 21st Century: no nukes = no respect = you can receive humanitarian bombing if someone is being caught in a sex scandal.

Both Serbia and Israel do need nukes - and NOT few.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

Who wants to Russia, even when visa is free?
(rolerkoster, 21 February 2009 00:57)

Some of your compatriots for sure. If they run out of churches to burn and loot, there are some more in Russia.
They should be real man and try their luck in Rostov or Novgorod, not in Prizren:

http://img-2004-05.photosight.ru/20/495448.jpg

Who knows, maybe they won't get away with nothing....

Ataman

pre 15 godina

More to #10

You could be right, some K-Albanians indeed should wait a little to visit Russia. I noticed, that the iconostas of Yaroslavl landmark (see also 1000 Rbl banknote!), the church Ioan the Baptist is under restauration. Isn't better to burn and loot the church AFTER the restauration? Sounds like a royal fun for me.

Look, what does await them to test their church-burning skills:

http://tinyurl.com/cxlaxh

http://tinyurl.com/dmfbzd

http://tinyurl.com/dguwzf


But in the meantime, they can always buy some of this in the bank

http://tinyurl.com/ckp3hf

and burn as many as they want. No problem with that.

Remark:

Russia has it's own problems and there is many things to critic. But who has no idea, never was there and suffers from acute mental illness called "Russiahatetitis" - should visit a doctor ASAP. OR maybe get a visa and visit the county (that's cheaper and will cure the problem better)

(Hello Roberto, hello Joe)

ben

pre 15 godina

Jeremić in Moscow to pen visa-free deal and to compliment teh Russian understadning of LAW and JUSTICE as with the Politkovskaja case- SHAME.

In Kosova this kind of "trials" cannot happen.

You can say whatever you want but this kind of "justice" never had and never will happen in Kosova.

Joe

pre 15 godina

MB, Ireland,

Nice to see your "fatal" attraction to Russia. I think most Irish think like you. What a shame that geographically you are not much closer to them and could not profit of their friendly embrace. Can you imagine how well-off your countrymen would be today if instead of the British neighborhood you would be in the Russian neighborhood?

ben

pre 15 godina

Both Serbia and Israel do need nukes - and NOT few.
(Ataman, 21 February 2009 04:07)

For deterrence than we will need them too!

Eye for an eye and the world goes blind ;)

I love your sense of justice.

What about that the ‘radius’ of your country is linked with the peoples will to feel free and warm under that ray rather than to link it with the radius of your ‘nucs’??? how naïve I am that’s not something that Soviet nostalgic can understand- too irrelevant, and decadent western philosophy and conceptualisation of the new world order- the good old ‘nuce’ order is what they (you) love... International law- give me break don't insult my inteligence ;)))

Joe

pre 15 godina

Hallo Ataman,

I have the feeling your great expectations of leaving in happy Central-Europe didn't come to pass. Otherwise you would not attack people right and left - including me - for not having a special love for your mother Russia. What happened in your job? If I remember correctly you were supposed to sell American products to ALL people in the Balkans including Albanians. But in the current crisis the dollar went up, US products became more expensive and consumers greatly limit their purchases.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

If I remember correctly you were supposed to sell American products to ALL people in the Balkans including Albanians.
(Joe, 21 February 2009 16:01)

I am not a salesman and never was, Joe. Your memory is wrong. But if you want to help me in my job, please tell how certain storage ASIC-s do work because the documentation is horrible, officially provided code is one of the worst spaghetti (+over-engineered piece of cr@p) I ever seen and customers are waiting. Sorry, cannot say more openly because of NDA.

---------------

But in the current crisis the dollar went up, US products became more expensive and consumers greatly limit their purchases.
(Joe, 21 February 2009 16:01)

If you know how to manage mass storage-related R&D you can talk to us. Even during the crisis. But if you have no idea what we are doing, such comments are just a disguised (+failed) and baseless personal attack.

---------------

Otherwise only few days ago "Hand of Moscow" called me names, including that I am Beria - because of my critical stance to Russia. You will not work to hard to find it.

Your stance towards Russia and Serbia is laughable. As for my stance towards Russia: QUOD LICET JOVI, NON LICET BOVI. And it's worth to remember Cyrano's nose.

To Ben: sorry, Ben - but given the ordeal both Jews and Serbs went through, they NEED nuclear arsenal at their disposal to make sure, they sleep safe.

What concerns Albanians: they did prove with the deeds and even with "mature" words (on this side), arming them with even baseball bats is pretty dangerous.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

What about that the ‘radius’ of your country is linked with the peoples will to feel free and warm under that ray rather than to link it with the radius of your ‘nucs’???
(ben, 21 February 2009 14:33)

Such country wasn't invented yet, Ben. In that spirit and because we never can be safe, when America (or Russia) makes a 180-degree turn: Israel and Serbia MUST HAVE nuclear arsenal.

---------

how naïve I am that’s not something that Soviet nostalgic can understand- too irrelevant, and decadent western philosophy and conceptualisation of the new world order- the good old ‘nuce’ order is what they (you) love... International law- give me break don't insult my inteligence ;)))


LOL, I do not try to insult it. There is no "International law", only dog-eat-dog. There is not much to have nostalgia in Soviet time about, but the biggest organized and state-sponsored robbery of human history did happen AFTER it, it does happen all over Central/East Europe even now, all with "Western" involvement. It is called "privatization". There won't be much in THIS TIME anyone can be nostalgic about (unless they are involved in that process).

No doubt, Soviet regime is still well and alive - but the communists got rid of ideological ballast of "Marxism", they are pure mafiosi now - and boy, does "West" love (most of) them!

Joe

pre 15 godina

MB, Ireland,

Nice to see your "fatal" attraction to Russia. I think most Irish think like you. What a shame that geographically you are not much closer to them and could not profit of their friendly embrace. Can you imagine how well-off your countrymen would be today if instead of the British neighborhood you would be in the Russian neighborhood?

ben

pre 15 godina

Both Serbia and Israel do need nukes - and NOT few.
(Ataman, 21 February 2009 04:07)

For deterrence than we will need them too!

Eye for an eye and the world goes blind ;)

I love your sense of justice.

What about that the ‘radius’ of your country is linked with the peoples will to feel free and warm under that ray rather than to link it with the radius of your ‘nucs’??? how naïve I am that’s not something that Soviet nostalgic can understand- too irrelevant, and decadent western philosophy and conceptualisation of the new world order- the good old ‘nuce’ order is what they (you) love... International law- give me break don't insult my inteligence ;)))

ben

pre 15 godina

Jeremić in Moscow to pen visa-free deal and to compliment teh Russian understadning of LAW and JUSTICE as with the Politkovskaja case- SHAME.

In Kosova this kind of "trials" cannot happen.

You can say whatever you want but this kind of "justice" never had and never will happen in Kosova.

Raso

pre 15 godina

Thanks Russia for everything!

An extraordinary gesture, if you bear in mind that westerners don't need visas for Serbia & therefore also not for
Russia.

Or that - because of DS - 400 000 from the occupied parts of kosovo -without ans reason or control- got real, serbian, documents (while the Euro-Gaza "passports" only was issued 50 000 times, predominantly to albanian diaspora who also have real/foreign documents.

Micheal Breathnach

pre 15 godina

I'm glad to see that Russia and Serbia have established visa-free travel for their citizens.
(I'm surprised that there actually was a visa requiremnet)
I feel that Serbia would do well by building on relations with Russia.
Just take a look at what the EU/US Consortium has done to Serbia in the last decade alone.
They tried to ruin you economically; they rigged the 2006 referendum result in Crna Gora (I know, I was there); they blamed you for all the wrongs in the Balkans which they themselves created; they are trying desperately to take away 18% of your Southern Territory (Kosovo i Metohija) and who knows what other sordid plans they have for you in the future.
And still, I see so many Serbs who think that the west is best.
No, please 'lock on' to Russia. They never did you any harm in your Nation's history.
Actually, in fact, Russia was the first country to recognise my country's independence from Britain back in 1921.
Russia and the East will blossom. Look at the state of the greedy West now. If they promise you anything, don't believe them or else you'll end up like Madoff's victims.

MB,Ireland

luciano

pre 15 godina

Serbia should issue Serbian passports to all Serbs living anywhere in Yugoslavia and insist on the Russians connecting Republika Srpska to the South Stream pipeline to ensure that country's energy supply.I think the Serbs should have gotten a better energy deal if they would have taken my advice and negotiated the Russians building a nuclear power plant in between Serbia and Republika Srpska which the Sebs could have used as a source of cheap energy and to develop a few nuclear bombs like Israel has.

tim

pre 15 godina

Good move solid relations with Russia are better than the EU. Hope Serbia expands to China, India Iran, and those countries in the EU that wish friendly relations.
Why do you think this is so important? It is because the USA and those allies that it is bullying into supporting perpetual war are going down economicaly. Russia, China, and a host of other countries not aligned with the USA are not embroiled in such adventures. Where do you think this will leave Kosovo when the USA collapses? Do you think Russia is retreating from the world stage with the low price of oil? No it isn't. Do you think the EU won't buy cheap Russian oil and gas? Of course it will! That is the only thing that will prevent a total collapse of the EU. So, Kosovo Albanian defeat is imminent. The time for honoring your theft is quickly coming to an end.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

to develop a few nuclear bombs like Israel has.
(luciano, 20 February 2009 22:24)

The only word I do not agree with is "few". The reality on the ground in 21st Century: no nukes = no respect = you can receive humanitarian bombing if someone is being caught in a sex scandal.

Both Serbia and Israel do need nukes - and NOT few.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

Who wants to Russia, even when visa is free?
(rolerkoster, 21 February 2009 00:57)

Some of your compatriots for sure. If they run out of churches to burn and loot, there are some more in Russia.
They should be real man and try their luck in Rostov or Novgorod, not in Prizren:

http://img-2004-05.photosight.ru/20/495448.jpg

Who knows, maybe they won't get away with nothing....

Ataman

pre 15 godina

More to #10

You could be right, some K-Albanians indeed should wait a little to visit Russia. I noticed, that the iconostas of Yaroslavl landmark (see also 1000 Rbl banknote!), the church Ioan the Baptist is under restauration. Isn't better to burn and loot the church AFTER the restauration? Sounds like a royal fun for me.

Look, what does await them to test their church-burning skills:

http://tinyurl.com/cxlaxh

http://tinyurl.com/dmfbzd

http://tinyurl.com/dguwzf


But in the meantime, they can always buy some of this in the bank

http://tinyurl.com/ckp3hf

and burn as many as they want. No problem with that.

Remark:

Russia has it's own problems and there is many things to critic. But who has no idea, never was there and suffers from acute mental illness called "Russiahatetitis" - should visit a doctor ASAP. OR maybe get a visa and visit the county (that's cheaper and will cure the problem better)

(Hello Roberto, hello Joe)

Joe

pre 15 godina

Hallo Ataman,

I have the feeling your great expectations of leaving in happy Central-Europe didn't come to pass. Otherwise you would not attack people right and left - including me - for not having a special love for your mother Russia. What happened in your job? If I remember correctly you were supposed to sell American products to ALL people in the Balkans including Albanians. But in the current crisis the dollar went up, US products became more expensive and consumers greatly limit their purchases.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

If I remember correctly you were supposed to sell American products to ALL people in the Balkans including Albanians.
(Joe, 21 February 2009 16:01)

I am not a salesman and never was, Joe. Your memory is wrong. But if you want to help me in my job, please tell how certain storage ASIC-s do work because the documentation is horrible, officially provided code is one of the worst spaghetti (+over-engineered piece of cr@p) I ever seen and customers are waiting. Sorry, cannot say more openly because of NDA.

---------------

But in the current crisis the dollar went up, US products became more expensive and consumers greatly limit their purchases.
(Joe, 21 February 2009 16:01)

If you know how to manage mass storage-related R&D you can talk to us. Even during the crisis. But if you have no idea what we are doing, such comments are just a disguised (+failed) and baseless personal attack.

---------------

Otherwise only few days ago "Hand of Moscow" called me names, including that I am Beria - because of my critical stance to Russia. You will not work to hard to find it.

Your stance towards Russia and Serbia is laughable. As for my stance towards Russia: QUOD LICET JOVI, NON LICET BOVI. And it's worth to remember Cyrano's nose.

To Ben: sorry, Ben - but given the ordeal both Jews and Serbs went through, they NEED nuclear arsenal at their disposal to make sure, they sleep safe.

What concerns Albanians: they did prove with the deeds and even with "mature" words (on this side), arming them with even baseball bats is pretty dangerous.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

What about that the ‘radius’ of your country is linked with the peoples will to feel free and warm under that ray rather than to link it with the radius of your ‘nucs’???
(ben, 21 February 2009 14:33)

Such country wasn't invented yet, Ben. In that spirit and because we never can be safe, when America (or Russia) makes a 180-degree turn: Israel and Serbia MUST HAVE nuclear arsenal.

---------

how naïve I am that’s not something that Soviet nostalgic can understand- too irrelevant, and decadent western philosophy and conceptualisation of the new world order- the good old ‘nuce’ order is what they (you) love... International law- give me break don't insult my inteligence ;)))


LOL, I do not try to insult it. There is no "International law", only dog-eat-dog. There is not much to have nostalgia in Soviet time about, but the biggest organized and state-sponsored robbery of human history did happen AFTER it, it does happen all over Central/East Europe even now, all with "Western" involvement. It is called "privatization". There won't be much in THIS TIME anyone can be nostalgic about (unless they are involved in that process).

No doubt, Soviet regime is still well and alive - but the communists got rid of ideological ballast of "Marxism", they are pure mafiosi now - and boy, does "West" love (most of) them!