With Finnish passport the visa to Russia (from Finland) is 55€ plus you need invitation letter (from a hotel) that usually costs 20€ and then when you get to Russia the visa must be registered (usually 20€) and plus to this is some other small fees. So 100€ just for visa expenses. Very nice.... Well at least one this is cheap. The bus (Russian) from Helsinki to St.Petersburg is 10€ one way!
True, I was there and the prices were simply ridiculous, I doubt even the rich from the West would go wild there. On the other hand, I was also in Krolewiec (Kaliningrad), and everything was dirt cheap. It makes you wonder if both cities are in the same country. Such a gap in terms of prices I have not seen in any other country.
Why only 30 days?Why not a year?
(luciano, 18 February 2009 21:36)
This 30 day - I guess - is VERY difficult to enforce for Serbs. Anytime they are asked, they can say, they just arrived from Minsk.
There is absolutely no border control between Russia and Belarus on the train **, so no one can prove. Besides, probably no one WILL bother somebody with Serbian passport anyway.
** not entirely correct. To be precise, passengers are almost NEVER controlled on the train. Unless there is a reason. If you look like this
http://tinyurl.com/cvrxhl
or this
http://tinyurl.com/bbzyy2
( even without AK-47: http://tinyurl.com/btm626 )
that is a valid reason, there will be border control, just for you.
Now, how are your people situated to travel the world?
(Peggy, 19 February 2009 00:18)
Adrian's compatriots are pretty much OK, they do not need visa to visit most of the countries. Visiting Russia is not visa-free, but relatively easy. There is even talk about visa-free travel to USA and Canada, much like the rest of EU.
Because: the city of Timisoara has not much to do with Albania or Kosovo. It's in Romania. Romanians only recently had to introduce the visa regime with Russia, there wasn't any in last 40 years. Cannot say that a lot of people was there all the time, but after end of 90-s it was relatively transparent. Still, they did need these stupid fake vauchers.
We used to literally commute across the Russian/Soviet border, these silly visa/vaucher/etc. regulations are way to familiar. And the best: there always was a relatively easy way to "cheat" these regulations and still is.
For Serbs it's the Belarus-trick. Actually, for others, too: to get a Belarus visa is often much less red tape than to get Russian. And that visa is good enough to "sneak in" in Russia without any visa. Not sure about the risks involved.
Mhm.The problem is just that it is far to expensive for most serbs even to get there.
(adrian, timisoara, 18 February 2009 21:56)
And you know this how?
I suppose the Albanians are in a much better financial position to go to US for holidays so their friendship with the Yanks is more beneficial.
Now, how are your people situated to travel the world?
"Bravo.Moscow is more beautiful than the boring Berlin or London."
Mhm.The problem is just that it is far to expensive for most serbs even to get there.
This is extremely confusing. As I wrote many times, visas are not required since almost a year. Even before, they weren't required if Russians had a hotel reservation and Serbs had a fake hotel vaucher.
If my memory is correct, the new visa regime is in effect since April 2008. It is a pretty asymmetric regime because on the practice Russians do not need any document besides the passport but Serbs now need the ORIGINAL vaucher. So in theory for Serbs the situation since April 2008 is worse than for many EU citizens (most are fine with fake vaucher but many have to pay 35 Euro for a visa, at least who is not of Russian origin).
It was and still is very easy (for Serbs) to go around the vaucher problem entering Russia from Belarus: there is no border control formality, the border formalities for Russia do the Belarus border guards on the Belarus-Polish border and regardless how they go, Serbs still need a Schengen visa to enter Russia's land border. Serbs do not need any visa to Belarus since years.
What this news is missing is precisely the vaucher situation. If it is still required, the new-old agreement is just a rubbish.
Otherwise the visa situation between the Russia and all ex-YU is and was a huge piece of shame. It shouldn't be any ever. The bureaucracy on all sides was not the best. The clearest and cleanest stance has Belarus, BiH and CG: no visas, no vauchers, no rubbish, just a passport. Russians should do with the countries of ex-YU regarding visa what the government of Belarus did. Not that I am a great fan of Lukashenko, but here he is 100% right.
It is a fact that the Slavic women are the most beautiful in Europe but with all due respect to the cities already mentioned I must add that Prague takes the cake.Just look at all the beautiful supermodels from the Czech Republic.Why only 30 days?Why not a year?
This is fantastic news. Thank you to our brothers and allies.
CG - I would agree with you. The only place where women are equally as beautiful is Belgrade or Novi Sad.
Cheers!!
This is fantastic news. Thank you to our brothers and allies.
CG - I would agree with you. The only place where women are equally as beautiful is Belgrade or Novi Sad.
Cheers!!
It is a fact that the Slavic women are the most beautiful in Europe but with all due respect to the cities already mentioned I must add that Prague takes the cake.Just look at all the beautiful supermodels from the Czech Republic.Why only 30 days?Why not a year?
This is extremely confusing. As I wrote many times, visas are not required since almost a year. Even before, they weren't required if Russians had a hotel reservation and Serbs had a fake hotel vaucher.
If my memory is correct, the new visa regime is in effect since April 2008. It is a pretty asymmetric regime because on the practice Russians do not need any document besides the passport but Serbs now need the ORIGINAL vaucher. So in theory for Serbs the situation since April 2008 is worse than for many EU citizens (most are fine with fake vaucher but many have to pay 35 Euro for a visa, at least who is not of Russian origin).
It was and still is very easy (for Serbs) to go around the vaucher problem entering Russia from Belarus: there is no border control formality, the border formalities for Russia do the Belarus border guards on the Belarus-Polish border and regardless how they go, Serbs still need a Schengen visa to enter Russia's land border. Serbs do not need any visa to Belarus since years.
What this news is missing is precisely the vaucher situation. If it is still required, the new-old agreement is just a rubbish.
Otherwise the visa situation between the Russia and all ex-YU is and was a huge piece of shame. It shouldn't be any ever. The bureaucracy on all sides was not the best. The clearest and cleanest stance has Belarus, BiH and CG: no visas, no vauchers, no rubbish, just a passport. Russians should do with the countries of ex-YU regarding visa what the government of Belarus did. Not that I am a great fan of Lukashenko, but here he is 100% right.
Mhm.The problem is just that it is far to expensive for most serbs even to get there.
(adrian, timisoara, 18 February 2009 21:56)
And you know this how?
I suppose the Albanians are in a much better financial position to go to US for holidays so their friendship with the Yanks is more beneficial.
Now, how are your people situated to travel the world?
"Bravo.Moscow is more beautiful than the boring Berlin or London."
Mhm.The problem is just that it is far to expensive for most serbs even to get there.
Now, how are your people situated to travel the world?
(Peggy, 19 February 2009 00:18)
Adrian's compatriots are pretty much OK, they do not need visa to visit most of the countries. Visiting Russia is not visa-free, but relatively easy. There is even talk about visa-free travel to USA and Canada, much like the rest of EU.
Because: the city of Timisoara has not much to do with Albania or Kosovo. It's in Romania. Romanians only recently had to introduce the visa regime with Russia, there wasn't any in last 40 years. Cannot say that a lot of people was there all the time, but after end of 90-s it was relatively transparent. Still, they did need these stupid fake vauchers.
We used to literally commute across the Russian/Soviet border, these silly visa/vaucher/etc. regulations are way to familiar. And the best: there always was a relatively easy way to "cheat" these regulations and still is.
For Serbs it's the Belarus-trick. Actually, for others, too: to get a Belarus visa is often much less red tape than to get Russian. And that visa is good enough to "sneak in" in Russia without any visa. Not sure about the risks involved.
Why only 30 days?Why not a year?
(luciano, 18 February 2009 21:36)
This 30 day - I guess - is VERY difficult to enforce for Serbs. Anytime they are asked, they can say, they just arrived from Minsk.
There is absolutely no border control between Russia and Belarus on the train **, so no one can prove. Besides, probably no one WILL bother somebody with Serbian passport anyway.
** not entirely correct. To be precise, passengers are almost NEVER controlled on the train. Unless there is a reason. If you look like this
http://tinyurl.com/cvrxhl
or this
http://tinyurl.com/bbzyy2
( even without AK-47: http://tinyurl.com/btm626 )
that is a valid reason, there will be border control, just for you.
True, I was there and the prices were simply ridiculous, I doubt even the rich from the West would go wild there. On the other hand, I was also in Krolewiec (Kaliningrad), and everything was dirt cheap. It makes you wonder if both cities are in the same country. Such a gap in terms of prices I have not seen in any other country.
With Finnish passport the visa to Russia (from Finland) is 55€ plus you need invitation letter (from a hotel) that usually costs 20€ and then when you get to Russia the visa must be registered (usually 20€) and plus to this is some other small fees. So 100€ just for visa expenses. Very nice.... Well at least one this is cheap. The bus (Russian) from Helsinki to St.Petersburg is 10€ one way!
"Bravo.Moscow is more beautiful than the boring Berlin or London."
Mhm.The problem is just that it is far to expensive for most serbs even to get there.
This is extremely confusing. As I wrote many times, visas are not required since almost a year. Even before, they weren't required if Russians had a hotel reservation and Serbs had a fake hotel vaucher.
If my memory is correct, the new visa regime is in effect since April 2008. It is a pretty asymmetric regime because on the practice Russians do not need any document besides the passport but Serbs now need the ORIGINAL vaucher. So in theory for Serbs the situation since April 2008 is worse than for many EU citizens (most are fine with fake vaucher but many have to pay 35 Euro for a visa, at least who is not of Russian origin).
It was and still is very easy (for Serbs) to go around the vaucher problem entering Russia from Belarus: there is no border control formality, the border formalities for Russia do the Belarus border guards on the Belarus-Polish border and regardless how they go, Serbs still need a Schengen visa to enter Russia's land border. Serbs do not need any visa to Belarus since years.
What this news is missing is precisely the vaucher situation. If it is still required, the new-old agreement is just a rubbish.
Otherwise the visa situation between the Russia and all ex-YU is and was a huge piece of shame. It shouldn't be any ever. The bureaucracy on all sides was not the best. The clearest and cleanest stance has Belarus, BiH and CG: no visas, no vauchers, no rubbish, just a passport. Russians should do with the countries of ex-YU regarding visa what the government of Belarus did. Not that I am a great fan of Lukashenko, but here he is 100% right.
This is fantastic news. Thank you to our brothers and allies.
CG - I would agree with you. The only place where women are equally as beautiful is Belgrade or Novi Sad.
Cheers!!
It is a fact that the Slavic women are the most beautiful in Europe but with all due respect to the cities already mentioned I must add that Prague takes the cake.Just look at all the beautiful supermodels from the Czech Republic.Why only 30 days?Why not a year?
Mhm.The problem is just that it is far to expensive for most serbs even to get there.
(adrian, timisoara, 18 February 2009 21:56)
And you know this how?
I suppose the Albanians are in a much better financial position to go to US for holidays so their friendship with the Yanks is more beneficial.
Now, how are your people situated to travel the world?
Now, how are your people situated to travel the world?
(Peggy, 19 February 2009 00:18)
Adrian's compatriots are pretty much OK, they do not need visa to visit most of the countries. Visiting Russia is not visa-free, but relatively easy. There is even talk about visa-free travel to USA and Canada, much like the rest of EU.
Because: the city of Timisoara has not much to do with Albania or Kosovo. It's in Romania. Romanians only recently had to introduce the visa regime with Russia, there wasn't any in last 40 years. Cannot say that a lot of people was there all the time, but after end of 90-s it was relatively transparent. Still, they did need these stupid fake vauchers.
We used to literally commute across the Russian/Soviet border, these silly visa/vaucher/etc. regulations are way to familiar. And the best: there always was a relatively easy way to "cheat" these regulations and still is.
For Serbs it's the Belarus-trick. Actually, for others, too: to get a Belarus visa is often much less red tape than to get Russian. And that visa is good enough to "sneak in" in Russia without any visa. Not sure about the risks involved.
Why only 30 days?Why not a year?
(luciano, 18 February 2009 21:36)
This 30 day - I guess - is VERY difficult to enforce for Serbs. Anytime they are asked, they can say, they just arrived from Minsk.
There is absolutely no border control between Russia and Belarus on the train **, so no one can prove. Besides, probably no one WILL bother somebody with Serbian passport anyway.
** not entirely correct. To be precise, passengers are almost NEVER controlled on the train. Unless there is a reason. If you look like this
http://tinyurl.com/cvrxhl
or this
http://tinyurl.com/bbzyy2
( even without AK-47: http://tinyurl.com/btm626 )
that is a valid reason, there will be border control, just for you.
True, I was there and the prices were simply ridiculous, I doubt even the rich from the West would go wild there. On the other hand, I was also in Krolewiec (Kaliningrad), and everything was dirt cheap. It makes you wonder if both cities are in the same country. Such a gap in terms of prices I have not seen in any other country.
With Finnish passport the visa to Russia (from Finland) is 55€ plus you need invitation letter (from a hotel) that usually costs 20€ and then when you get to Russia the visa must be registered (usually 20€) and plus to this is some other small fees. So 100€ just for visa expenses. Very nice.... Well at least one this is cheap. The bus (Russian) from Helsinki to St.Petersburg is 10€ one way!
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