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Saturday, 14.02.2009.

14:38

"It's clear to all, Kosovo is no state"

President Boris Tadić said on Saturday that Kosovo is the most important and most sensitive issue faced by Serbia.

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albano

pre 15 godina

Why is that important what you say Mr.Tadic, to all of us is clear Serbia has not any kind of access in Kosova, I have a passport where it says Republic of Kosova, I have a Kosova citizenship, I have my flag, military, police, I have my state Mr.Tadic

Hruz

pre 15 godina

Thanks Tadic, This morning I was in a bit of bad mood, but reading this article made my day. Laughing is healthy...

Serbia as the focal point for regional stability, and a true champion of democracy?

Thanks Tadic for your good humour and for making rhousands of people laugh...

Reality

pre 15 godina

Of course Kosovo is a State. 54 countries have recognised it and that number will grow in the near future. The Serbs have to and must realise that the following will be your destiny if you want to be a member the E.U. Firstly hand over Mladic & Hadzic, Deal with organised crime ( Zemun Clan etc.)tackle corruption and recognise Kosovo as an independent state. If Seerbia wants to move forward and is willing to become a E.U member you must do as the other E.U members tell you what to do. Holland is a prime example.

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 15 godina

I'd like to challenge anyone on this site to show me where pro-Albanian posters initiated discussion trying to prove that Kosova/o is a "real" state. All I see is on this site is pro-Serb posters making arguments that Kosova/o is not and never will be a country. If any of you pro-Serb posters have ever been to Kosova/o, you will find that many improvements have been made for the average citizen since the war in 1999. I don't think anyone can dispute that Albanians are much better off now than when they were under Serbia.

I have lived both in Kosova/o and Serbia, recently for about six months, and I can assure you that the people in Kosova/o are far happier than those of Serbia. This is based on extensive personal contact with a cross section of society with people of both countries. Happiness is a key indicator of how well off each group perceive themselves. Until one can experience living in both countries, I think any speculation on the part of armchair economists and sociologists is an exercise in futility.
(Michael John, 15 February 2009 21:26)

6 whole months, WOW, you must be an expert now. Michael try 6 years then you will get half way to the surface. More than that, read some history books.

I doubt 20 years living in the Balkans would get you close to understanding.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

I say: let them just talk about their (virtual) state and believe that it is a "done deal"!

in the meantime Serbia is recovering from 2 decades of anti-serb propaganda and even naked aggression.

sooner or later, our dear albanian friends, Mircea and all those other "westerners" ( who are so obviously simple Albanians ) will have to swallow a bitter pill.

my dear friends, your lesson to learn will be that international law is much stronger than you wish it to be.
If I were an Albanian, I wouldn´t talk that way about UNSCR 1244.. that will haunt them, I am very confident about that.

let´s just see what future brings!

Michael John

pre 15 godina

I'd like to challenge anyone on this site to show me where pro-Albanian posters initiated discussion trying to prove that Kosova/o is a "real" state. All I see is on this site is pro-Serb posters making arguments that Kosova/o is not and never will be a country. If any of you pro-Serb posters have ever been to Kosova/o, you will find that many improvements have been made for the average citizen since the war in 1999. I don't think anyone can dispute that Albanians are much better off now than when they were under Serbia.

I have lived both in Kosova/o and Serbia, recently for about six months, and I can assure you that the people in Kosova/o are far happier than those of Serbia. This is based on extensive personal contact with a cross section of society with people of both countries. Happiness is a key indicator of how well off each group perceive themselves. Until one can experience living in both countries, I think any speculation on the part of armchair economists and sociologists is an exercise in futility.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

You really do sound like a broken record... No matter what the subject you always seem to turn it to the topic of the EU. As we say in Sunny Glasgow - Dry up will ye! Try writing something constructive.
(Mr. David J. Jones, 15 February 2009 06:46)

Mircea either likes to brag so much about Romania being in the EU that he forgets it's such bad manners or he is paid commission for every country he convinces to join.
What a joker.

I really don't understand why B92 lets his posts through any longer. He is boring us all to tears with the same old message.

No use talking to him and telling him to cut it out. He is determined to bore us to tears.

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 15 godina

He said that the country's membership in the EU is a strategic goal, "clearly determined and confirmed in all elections by the citizens' decision".

Unlike many Serbs on this site, Tadic realizes that Serbia will have no future if she remains outside the EU.

There is no alternative to the EU.
(Mircea, 14 February 2009 16:35)

Mircea,

You really do sound like a broken record... No matter what the subject you always seem to turn it to the topic of the EU. As we say in Sunny Glasgow - Dry up will ye! Try writing something constructive.

George

pre 15 godina

The Albanians can say all they want that Kosovo is this, that Kosovo is that, that Kosovo is Kosova, that Kosovo is independent, that Kosvoso is Albania, that Kosovo is Dardania, nirvana...or even heaven. But as long as the current mindset of it's rulers prevails, it's still the same old hell.

bd

pre 15 godina

If Kosovo was a state, the Albanian posters would have no need in trying to prove otherwise. Kosovo is, what it is, and it's not what many think that it is. Kosovo is what the International Law says, and resolution 1244. Bush and NATO do not rule the planet Earth anymore. "The times they are a changin'."

Joe

pre 15 godina

Jan,

I share your points and I like your comparison with Somalia. Nobody wants to minimize the problems of Kosovo but things have to be seen in a broader contest: the security and daily life of its citizens compared to that of 10 years ago. The "fellow citizens" of Tadic were terrorized on a daily basis, were all unemployed, their children had to be educated at home (sarcastically called "private education") and worse, over half of the population was forced to take "free" train trips ("courtesy" of the state of Serbia)to the border with Macedonia. Keeping all this in mind I can imagine how the Kosovars feel when Tadic speaks to those "fellow citizens". In light of all that it appears of bad taste and quite insulting.

USA

pre 15 godina

Jan,

You hit it right on the head. It is not only a place where the strongest survive, it is a place where the most ruthless criminal thrives. I would ask all on this site one question:

After billions of dollars are invested in the infrastructure and in the building of a political system by the west, does the newly formed entity survive when everyone walks away? In other words, does the inherent crime, corruption, and tribal existence that has always existed in the Albanian culture promote the continued growth and existence of a new state?

I know for a fact that the answer is NO. So why is everyone wasting their time? The answer is the need to create an ally and military front just west of Russia. The US is well aware that this experiment will ultimately fail, but why not use it to their advantage in the meantime?

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

Who cares if something is a state or not?

What I would want to know is:

Is there justice and fairness where I live? Are there laws that I can depend on? A police(?) force that will uphold those laws. I don't really care if the force is state-controlled force paid by taxes, or some private security company like Blackwater that I pay out of my own pocket. Is there an infrastructure that works? Roads? Electricity? Schools and education for the children? A way to treatment by a doctor? Again, I don't care if I have to pay for this through taxes to a state, or paying some mega-insurance company.

I assume Somalia is still counted as a state, but would anyone really prefer to live there instead of in Kosovo?

So let's hear it from the Kosovo supporters: Do you have security, a health system, a working infrastructure? Or is it all a mess where the strongest survive?
--

malcolm x

pre 15 godina

(L*O*G*I*C, 14 February 2009 19:20)
i read the data about the economy in yugoslavia in the second half of the 90's. slovenia's gdp per capita was roughly twice the yugoslav average, croatia's was above average, serbia was almost exactly yugoslav average and kosovo's half of it. nobody "surpassed" anyone, things remained the same.

and yes, supervised independence is an oxymoron. the proper term should be "protectorate" as much as some people may not like it.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 15 godina

Ataman,

why does that sound strange? EULEX is to remain as oversight over police, judicial system (courts), and borders. Even serbia once in a while has oversight by an NGO or another countries experts in elections...does that make Serbia less of a country?

EULEX is not supervising in the sense that you are thinking. The Constitution of Republic of Kosova remains supreme. If Feith or Rehn do not like something they can suggest to remove it, change it, amend it, they can not make it null & void.

Tadic,
you are a bad liar. You try to hide all internal issues by screaming Kosova this and Kosova that. Serbia is losing its' economic might. In the '90s Serbia had I believe 3rd most arms weapons in the Balkans with a strong military strength, now you have seriously fallen. You can't argue that the economy has progressed seeing as how your neighbors (Croatia, Slovenia, etc) have surpassed you or are in the process. Again, the mighty serbia once mentioned has fallen.

Gojko

pre 15 godina

Kosov has only been recognized by 2 countries!

USA and Albania are the only countries that have truly formally recognized Kosovo.

Take a look at the ICJ ruling. Even Germany, Croatia, France, Italy, did not dare to recognize in the ICJ.

So 54 countries recognizing is a joke. The question Albaninas need to ask is..... Why didn't these other countries recognize Kosovo where it counts in the ICJ?

laluc

pre 15 godina

"To our fellow citizens in Kosovo, we are sending a message that their state is taking care of them and their interests," Tadić stated."


Oh really? Then why did you cut off the salary of Serb doctors in Mitrovica two days ago causing them to move to Serbia? Oh right, it's because you've given up on Kosova.

roberto

pre 15 godina

"pusillanimity. n. cowardice; mean-spiritedness"

yes, i did need to look it up and i assume this is probably an awkward translation from the serbo-croatian, but really! i haven't heard the word since The Wizard of Oz, when, i believe, it was used as an adjective by the wizard, after his true (humble) identity was finally revealed.

and speaking of cowardice and mean-spiritedness, from tadic and co. that is coming right out of the horse's mouth.

Alibaba

pre 15 godina

"clear to all" beside USA, GB, France, Japan, Germany, Montenegro, Canada... and day by day it is getting clearer, right? Remark Febuary 17th 2009.
The good old tradition of Serb politicians telling the "truth".

Cheers

veki

pre 15 godina

JohnBoy,
you are waisting your arguments on K-Albos; they prefer not no know those 'little' things you are talking about. Dumbing down mantra "Kosovo is a state" can help you only so far, but cannot close the deal.
"Kosovo State" is one in a line of George W.Bush's illegal actions waiting for re-evaluation and eventual cancellation to save honour of the international law.

Nexhi

pre 15 godina

"It's clear to all, Kosovo is no state"

Mr. Tadic, last time I've checked I was proven that Kosovo IS a state.
I am pretty sure that you can read English, if not then use a good translator and you'll be proven wrong!

Ataman

pre 15 godina

What is EULEX doing in Kosovo ? Supervising the independent country and their instutuions.
(Demi_, 14 February 2009 16:41)

This is without dispute the best-ever posting about Kosovo.

"Supervising the independent country".

Again:

"SUPERVISING the INDEPENDENT country".

And it comes from K-Albanian.

Thank you.

Besides the obvious oxymoron, one more comment: that "supervising" of "independent" country is done by a pretty much minor, marginal organization (EULEX) with a relatively humble budget and probably not very tough to corrupt.

ben

pre 15 godina

It is clear to all you are far from e normal democracy- very close to Putinocracy!

With the Milosevic's right hand as Miniter of Internal A. and the greatest political party the Radicals of Seselj you are just a joke of a real democracy.

Dulla

pre 15 godina

Ahhh poor Tadic he is trying his best is not a state,you most be kiding.Is he been drinking lately or he had a dream.Just keep promising the serbian people .....!!!!

JohnBoy

pre 15 godina

People can try to claim that Kosovo is a state, but look at the facts on the ground there. Look at the country next door. How long did it take Crna Gora to get >190 recognitions and admission to the UN? a month? Unfortunately, the K-albs are victims of us history. Just when the us could push for their independence in 2001, 9/11 occurred and nobody could dare mention a new muslim country in europe. Now, when they need a great deal of money to get their so-called state off the ground, a financial crisis in the west. You'll see new status negotiations within a year. Obama can't afford propping them up anymore. The K-albs were used to receiving welfare from the old Yugoslavia and now demand it from the west.

Edmon

pre 15 godina

I too as a leader would had media focused on smth els rather then internal problems. One of them being the economy wich to survive needs multiply International loans to get it going.

Greetings
Republic of Kosova

Mircea

pre 15 godina

He said that the country's membership in the EU is a strategic goal, "clearly determined and confirmed in all elections by the citizens' decision".

Unlike many Serbs on this site, Tadic realizes that Serbia will have no future if she remains outside the EU.

There is no alternative to the EU.

Demi_

pre 15 godina

Ron stop wasting time with res 1244. It is just a last hope that Serbia is hanging on to. Not for long I promise you Ron.

I don't reamember that res 1244 stoped UK,France,italy,Germany,Sweden or for that matter US from not reconizing Kosovo as independent state.

I think you also should know that a country dosen't need to be a member of UN to be independent. Schweiz for example wasen't a UN member before 2001.

And Un is dead in Kosovo so they have no power at all. As you may have notice UNMIK is gone from Kosovo and have no power there.

Who rules Kosovo ?- The goverment of Kosovo.

What is EULEX doing in Kosovo ? Supervising the independent country and their instutuions.

So pleaqse don't mention res 1244 because it hasen't helped Serbia much.

Ian, UK

pre 15 godina

"A year later, it is clear to all that Kosovo is no state."

If this was true, in that one year 54 countries wouldn't have recognised Kosovo (apparently with more recognitions coming) and with embassies opened in Pristina. The fact that Kosovo is disputed makes it not clear to all. Even Tadić has to accept that Kosovo is de facto a state, even though he disagrees with it's legality.

Demi

pre 15 godina

It is clear to all that Kosovo is not a part of Serbia.

And what does an independent state need Tadic ?

Because how come Kosovo got a president,prime minister, police force, army, flag,constutuion, instutuions and now a security council ? Not to mention the secret service that we got for years ?

I bet Vojvodina dosen't have all of this ? Or for that matter ''republica srpska'' ?

So Tadic what defines a real state ? Because as I see it Kosovo have all things that Serbia has.

A messege to you tadic would be that Kosovo and Serbia is two different territory aND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. You can call it what you want but as long as Kosovo dosen't belong to Serbia we albanians are happy. We are more than happy now when we got our own state reconized by the most of Eu countrys. An union you want to be a member of but cannot because you have not reconized the independence of Kosovo.

Cheers!

Ian, UK

pre 15 godina

"A year later, it is clear to all that Kosovo is no state."

If this was true, in that one year 54 countries wouldn't have recognised Kosovo (apparently with more recognitions coming) and with embassies opened in Pristina. The fact that Kosovo is disputed makes it not clear to all. Even Tadić has to accept that Kosovo is de facto a state, even though he disagrees with it's legality.

JohnBoy

pre 15 godina

People can try to claim that Kosovo is a state, but look at the facts on the ground there. Look at the country next door. How long did it take Crna Gora to get >190 recognitions and admission to the UN? a month? Unfortunately, the K-albs are victims of us history. Just when the us could push for their independence in 2001, 9/11 occurred and nobody could dare mention a new muslim country in europe. Now, when they need a great deal of money to get their so-called state off the ground, a financial crisis in the west. You'll see new status negotiations within a year. Obama can't afford propping them up anymore. The K-albs were used to receiving welfare from the old Yugoslavia and now demand it from the west.

Demi

pre 15 godina

It is clear to all that Kosovo is not a part of Serbia.

And what does an independent state need Tadic ?

Because how come Kosovo got a president,prime minister, police force, army, flag,constutuion, instutuions and now a security council ? Not to mention the secret service that we got for years ?

I bet Vojvodina dosen't have all of this ? Or for that matter ''republica srpska'' ?

So Tadic what defines a real state ? Because as I see it Kosovo have all things that Serbia has.

A messege to you tadic would be that Kosovo and Serbia is two different territory aND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. You can call it what you want but as long as Kosovo dosen't belong to Serbia we albanians are happy. We are more than happy now when we got our own state reconized by the most of Eu countrys. An union you want to be a member of but cannot because you have not reconized the independence of Kosovo.

Cheers!

Gojko

pre 15 godina

Kosov has only been recognized by 2 countries!

USA and Albania are the only countries that have truly formally recognized Kosovo.

Take a look at the ICJ ruling. Even Germany, Croatia, France, Italy, did not dare to recognize in the ICJ.

So 54 countries recognizing is a joke. The question Albaninas need to ask is..... Why didn't these other countries recognize Kosovo where it counts in the ICJ?

veki

pre 15 godina

JohnBoy,
you are waisting your arguments on K-Albos; they prefer not no know those 'little' things you are talking about. Dumbing down mantra "Kosovo is a state" can help you only so far, but cannot close the deal.
"Kosovo State" is one in a line of George W.Bush's illegal actions waiting for re-evaluation and eventual cancellation to save honour of the international law.

Dulla

pre 15 godina

Ahhh poor Tadic he is trying his best is not a state,you most be kiding.Is he been drinking lately or he had a dream.Just keep promising the serbian people .....!!!!

Ataman

pre 15 godina

What is EULEX doing in Kosovo ? Supervising the independent country and their instutuions.
(Demi_, 14 February 2009 16:41)

This is without dispute the best-ever posting about Kosovo.

"Supervising the independent country".

Again:

"SUPERVISING the INDEPENDENT country".

And it comes from K-Albanian.

Thank you.

Besides the obvious oxymoron, one more comment: that "supervising" of "independent" country is done by a pretty much minor, marginal organization (EULEX) with a relatively humble budget and probably not very tough to corrupt.

USA

pre 15 godina

Jan,

You hit it right on the head. It is not only a place where the strongest survive, it is a place where the most ruthless criminal thrives. I would ask all on this site one question:

After billions of dollars are invested in the infrastructure and in the building of a political system by the west, does the newly formed entity survive when everyone walks away? In other words, does the inherent crime, corruption, and tribal existence that has always existed in the Albanian culture promote the continued growth and existence of a new state?

I know for a fact that the answer is NO. So why is everyone wasting their time? The answer is the need to create an ally and military front just west of Russia. The US is well aware that this experiment will ultimately fail, but why not use it to their advantage in the meantime?

Edmon

pre 15 godina

I too as a leader would had media focused on smth els rather then internal problems. One of them being the economy wich to survive needs multiply International loans to get it going.

Greetings
Republic of Kosova

laluc

pre 15 godina

"To our fellow citizens in Kosovo, we are sending a message that their state is taking care of them and their interests," Tadić stated."


Oh really? Then why did you cut off the salary of Serb doctors in Mitrovica two days ago causing them to move to Serbia? Oh right, it's because you've given up on Kosova.

malcolm x

pre 15 godina

(L*O*G*I*C, 14 February 2009 19:20)
i read the data about the economy in yugoslavia in the second half of the 90's. slovenia's gdp per capita was roughly twice the yugoslav average, croatia's was above average, serbia was almost exactly yugoslav average and kosovo's half of it. nobody "surpassed" anyone, things remained the same.

and yes, supervised independence is an oxymoron. the proper term should be "protectorate" as much as some people may not like it.

Demi_

pre 15 godina

Ron stop wasting time with res 1244. It is just a last hope that Serbia is hanging on to. Not for long I promise you Ron.

I don't reamember that res 1244 stoped UK,France,italy,Germany,Sweden or for that matter US from not reconizing Kosovo as independent state.

I think you also should know that a country dosen't need to be a member of UN to be independent. Schweiz for example wasen't a UN member before 2001.

And Un is dead in Kosovo so they have no power at all. As you may have notice UNMIK is gone from Kosovo and have no power there.

Who rules Kosovo ?- The goverment of Kosovo.

What is EULEX doing in Kosovo ? Supervising the independent country and their instutuions.

So pleaqse don't mention res 1244 because it hasen't helped Serbia much.

Nexhi

pre 15 godina

"It's clear to all, Kosovo is no state"

Mr. Tadic, last time I've checked I was proven that Kosovo IS a state.
I am pretty sure that you can read English, if not then use a good translator and you'll be proven wrong!

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

Who cares if something is a state or not?

What I would want to know is:

Is there justice and fairness where I live? Are there laws that I can depend on? A police(?) force that will uphold those laws. I don't really care if the force is state-controlled force paid by taxes, or some private security company like Blackwater that I pay out of my own pocket. Is there an infrastructure that works? Roads? Electricity? Schools and education for the children? A way to treatment by a doctor? Again, I don't care if I have to pay for this through taxes to a state, or paying some mega-insurance company.

I assume Somalia is still counted as a state, but would anyone really prefer to live there instead of in Kosovo?

So let's hear it from the Kosovo supporters: Do you have security, a health system, a working infrastructure? Or is it all a mess where the strongest survive?
--

ben

pre 15 godina

It is clear to all you are far from e normal democracy- very close to Putinocracy!

With the Milosevic's right hand as Miniter of Internal A. and the greatest political party the Radicals of Seselj you are just a joke of a real democracy.

bd

pre 15 godina

If Kosovo was a state, the Albanian posters would have no need in trying to prove otherwise. Kosovo is, what it is, and it's not what many think that it is. Kosovo is what the International Law says, and resolution 1244. Bush and NATO do not rule the planet Earth anymore. "The times they are a changin'."

Alibaba

pre 15 godina

"clear to all" beside USA, GB, France, Japan, Germany, Montenegro, Canada... and day by day it is getting clearer, right? Remark Febuary 17th 2009.
The good old tradition of Serb politicians telling the "truth".

Cheers

L*O*G*I*C

pre 15 godina

Ataman,

why does that sound strange? EULEX is to remain as oversight over police, judicial system (courts), and borders. Even serbia once in a while has oversight by an NGO or another countries experts in elections...does that make Serbia less of a country?

EULEX is not supervising in the sense that you are thinking. The Constitution of Republic of Kosova remains supreme. If Feith or Rehn do not like something they can suggest to remove it, change it, amend it, they can not make it null & void.

Tadic,
you are a bad liar. You try to hide all internal issues by screaming Kosova this and Kosova that. Serbia is losing its' economic might. In the '90s Serbia had I believe 3rd most arms weapons in the Balkans with a strong military strength, now you have seriously fallen. You can't argue that the economy has progressed seeing as how your neighbors (Croatia, Slovenia, etc) have surpassed you or are in the process. Again, the mighty serbia once mentioned has fallen.

Joe

pre 15 godina

Jan,

I share your points and I like your comparison with Somalia. Nobody wants to minimize the problems of Kosovo but things have to be seen in a broader contest: the security and daily life of its citizens compared to that of 10 years ago. The "fellow citizens" of Tadic were terrorized on a daily basis, were all unemployed, their children had to be educated at home (sarcastically called "private education") and worse, over half of the population was forced to take "free" train trips ("courtesy" of the state of Serbia)to the border with Macedonia. Keeping all this in mind I can imagine how the Kosovars feel when Tadic speaks to those "fellow citizens". In light of all that it appears of bad taste and quite insulting.

George

pre 15 godina

The Albanians can say all they want that Kosovo is this, that Kosovo is that, that Kosovo is Kosova, that Kosovo is independent, that Kosvoso is Albania, that Kosovo is Dardania, nirvana...or even heaven. But as long as the current mindset of it's rulers prevails, it's still the same old hell.

Mircea

pre 15 godina

He said that the country's membership in the EU is a strategic goal, "clearly determined and confirmed in all elections by the citizens' decision".

Unlike many Serbs on this site, Tadic realizes that Serbia will have no future if she remains outside the EU.

There is no alternative to the EU.

roberto

pre 15 godina

"pusillanimity. n. cowardice; mean-spiritedness"

yes, i did need to look it up and i assume this is probably an awkward translation from the serbo-croatian, but really! i haven't heard the word since The Wizard of Oz, when, i believe, it was used as an adjective by the wizard, after his true (humble) identity was finally revealed.

and speaking of cowardice and mean-spiritedness, from tadic and co. that is coming right out of the horse's mouth.

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 15 godina

He said that the country's membership in the EU is a strategic goal, "clearly determined and confirmed in all elections by the citizens' decision".

Unlike many Serbs on this site, Tadic realizes that Serbia will have no future if she remains outside the EU.

There is no alternative to the EU.
(Mircea, 14 February 2009 16:35)

Mircea,

You really do sound like a broken record... No matter what the subject you always seem to turn it to the topic of the EU. As we say in Sunny Glasgow - Dry up will ye! Try writing something constructive.

Michael John

pre 15 godina

I'd like to challenge anyone on this site to show me where pro-Albanian posters initiated discussion trying to prove that Kosova/o is a "real" state. All I see is on this site is pro-Serb posters making arguments that Kosova/o is not and never will be a country. If any of you pro-Serb posters have ever been to Kosova/o, you will find that many improvements have been made for the average citizen since the war in 1999. I don't think anyone can dispute that Albanians are much better off now than when they were under Serbia.

I have lived both in Kosova/o and Serbia, recently for about six months, and I can assure you that the people in Kosova/o are far happier than those of Serbia. This is based on extensive personal contact with a cross section of society with people of both countries. Happiness is a key indicator of how well off each group perceive themselves. Until one can experience living in both countries, I think any speculation on the part of armchair economists and sociologists is an exercise in futility.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

You really do sound like a broken record... No matter what the subject you always seem to turn it to the topic of the EU. As we say in Sunny Glasgow - Dry up will ye! Try writing something constructive.
(Mr. David J. Jones, 15 February 2009 06:46)

Mircea either likes to brag so much about Romania being in the EU that he forgets it's such bad manners or he is paid commission for every country he convinces to join.
What a joker.

I really don't understand why B92 lets his posts through any longer. He is boring us all to tears with the same old message.

No use talking to him and telling him to cut it out. He is determined to bore us to tears.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

I say: let them just talk about their (virtual) state and believe that it is a "done deal"!

in the meantime Serbia is recovering from 2 decades of anti-serb propaganda and even naked aggression.

sooner or later, our dear albanian friends, Mircea and all those other "westerners" ( who are so obviously simple Albanians ) will have to swallow a bitter pill.

my dear friends, your lesson to learn will be that international law is much stronger than you wish it to be.
If I were an Albanian, I wouldn´t talk that way about UNSCR 1244.. that will haunt them, I am very confident about that.

let´s just see what future brings!

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 15 godina

I'd like to challenge anyone on this site to show me where pro-Albanian posters initiated discussion trying to prove that Kosova/o is a "real" state. All I see is on this site is pro-Serb posters making arguments that Kosova/o is not and never will be a country. If any of you pro-Serb posters have ever been to Kosova/o, you will find that many improvements have been made for the average citizen since the war in 1999. I don't think anyone can dispute that Albanians are much better off now than when they were under Serbia.

I have lived both in Kosova/o and Serbia, recently for about six months, and I can assure you that the people in Kosova/o are far happier than those of Serbia. This is based on extensive personal contact with a cross section of society with people of both countries. Happiness is a key indicator of how well off each group perceive themselves. Until one can experience living in both countries, I think any speculation on the part of armchair economists and sociologists is an exercise in futility.
(Michael John, 15 February 2009 21:26)

6 whole months, WOW, you must be an expert now. Michael try 6 years then you will get half way to the surface. More than that, read some history books.

I doubt 20 years living in the Balkans would get you close to understanding.

Reality

pre 15 godina

Of course Kosovo is a State. 54 countries have recognised it and that number will grow in the near future. The Serbs have to and must realise that the following will be your destiny if you want to be a member the E.U. Firstly hand over Mladic & Hadzic, Deal with organised crime ( Zemun Clan etc.)tackle corruption and recognise Kosovo as an independent state. If Seerbia wants to move forward and is willing to become a E.U member you must do as the other E.U members tell you what to do. Holland is a prime example.

Hruz

pre 15 godina

Thanks Tadic, This morning I was in a bit of bad mood, but reading this article made my day. Laughing is healthy...

Serbia as the focal point for regional stability, and a true champion of democracy?

Thanks Tadic for your good humour and for making rhousands of people laugh...

albano

pre 15 godina

Why is that important what you say Mr.Tadic, to all of us is clear Serbia has not any kind of access in Kosova, I have a passport where it says Republic of Kosova, I have a Kosova citizenship, I have my flag, military, police, I have my state Mr.Tadic

Ian, UK

pre 15 godina

"A year later, it is clear to all that Kosovo is no state."

If this was true, in that one year 54 countries wouldn't have recognised Kosovo (apparently with more recognitions coming) and with embassies opened in Pristina. The fact that Kosovo is disputed makes it not clear to all. Even Tadić has to accept that Kosovo is de facto a state, even though he disagrees with it's legality.

Demi

pre 15 godina

It is clear to all that Kosovo is not a part of Serbia.

And what does an independent state need Tadic ?

Because how come Kosovo got a president,prime minister, police force, army, flag,constutuion, instutuions and now a security council ? Not to mention the secret service that we got for years ?

I bet Vojvodina dosen't have all of this ? Or for that matter ''republica srpska'' ?

So Tadic what defines a real state ? Because as I see it Kosovo have all things that Serbia has.

A messege to you tadic would be that Kosovo and Serbia is two different territory aND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. You can call it what you want but as long as Kosovo dosen't belong to Serbia we albanians are happy. We are more than happy now when we got our own state reconized by the most of Eu countrys. An union you want to be a member of but cannot because you have not reconized the independence of Kosovo.

Cheers!

Dulla

pre 15 godina

Ahhh poor Tadic he is trying his best is not a state,you most be kiding.Is he been drinking lately or he had a dream.Just keep promising the serbian people .....!!!!

Edmon

pre 15 godina

I too as a leader would had media focused on smth els rather then internal problems. One of them being the economy wich to survive needs multiply International loans to get it going.

Greetings
Republic of Kosova

Mircea

pre 15 godina

He said that the country's membership in the EU is a strategic goal, "clearly determined and confirmed in all elections by the citizens' decision".

Unlike many Serbs on this site, Tadic realizes that Serbia will have no future if she remains outside the EU.

There is no alternative to the EU.

Demi_

pre 15 godina

Ron stop wasting time with res 1244. It is just a last hope that Serbia is hanging on to. Not for long I promise you Ron.

I don't reamember that res 1244 stoped UK,France,italy,Germany,Sweden or for that matter US from not reconizing Kosovo as independent state.

I think you also should know that a country dosen't need to be a member of UN to be independent. Schweiz for example wasen't a UN member before 2001.

And Un is dead in Kosovo so they have no power at all. As you may have notice UNMIK is gone from Kosovo and have no power there.

Who rules Kosovo ?- The goverment of Kosovo.

What is EULEX doing in Kosovo ? Supervising the independent country and their instutuions.

So pleaqse don't mention res 1244 because it hasen't helped Serbia much.

Nexhi

pre 15 godina

"It's clear to all, Kosovo is no state"

Mr. Tadic, last time I've checked I was proven that Kosovo IS a state.
I am pretty sure that you can read English, if not then use a good translator and you'll be proven wrong!

JohnBoy

pre 15 godina

People can try to claim that Kosovo is a state, but look at the facts on the ground there. Look at the country next door. How long did it take Crna Gora to get >190 recognitions and admission to the UN? a month? Unfortunately, the K-albs are victims of us history. Just when the us could push for their independence in 2001, 9/11 occurred and nobody could dare mention a new muslim country in europe. Now, when they need a great deal of money to get their so-called state off the ground, a financial crisis in the west. You'll see new status negotiations within a year. Obama can't afford propping them up anymore. The K-albs were used to receiving welfare from the old Yugoslavia and now demand it from the west.

Alibaba

pre 15 godina

"clear to all" beside USA, GB, France, Japan, Germany, Montenegro, Canada... and day by day it is getting clearer, right? Remark Febuary 17th 2009.
The good old tradition of Serb politicians telling the "truth".

Cheers

ben

pre 15 godina

It is clear to all you are far from e normal democracy- very close to Putinocracy!

With the Milosevic's right hand as Miniter of Internal A. and the greatest political party the Radicals of Seselj you are just a joke of a real democracy.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 15 godina

Ataman,

why does that sound strange? EULEX is to remain as oversight over police, judicial system (courts), and borders. Even serbia once in a while has oversight by an NGO or another countries experts in elections...does that make Serbia less of a country?

EULEX is not supervising in the sense that you are thinking. The Constitution of Republic of Kosova remains supreme. If Feith or Rehn do not like something they can suggest to remove it, change it, amend it, they can not make it null & void.

Tadic,
you are a bad liar. You try to hide all internal issues by screaming Kosova this and Kosova that. Serbia is losing its' economic might. In the '90s Serbia had I believe 3rd most arms weapons in the Balkans with a strong military strength, now you have seriously fallen. You can't argue that the economy has progressed seeing as how your neighbors (Croatia, Slovenia, etc) have surpassed you or are in the process. Again, the mighty serbia once mentioned has fallen.

veki

pre 15 godina

JohnBoy,
you are waisting your arguments on K-Albos; they prefer not no know those 'little' things you are talking about. Dumbing down mantra "Kosovo is a state" can help you only so far, but cannot close the deal.
"Kosovo State" is one in a line of George W.Bush's illegal actions waiting for re-evaluation and eventual cancellation to save honour of the international law.

roberto

pre 15 godina

"pusillanimity. n. cowardice; mean-spiritedness"

yes, i did need to look it up and i assume this is probably an awkward translation from the serbo-croatian, but really! i haven't heard the word since The Wizard of Oz, when, i believe, it was used as an adjective by the wizard, after his true (humble) identity was finally revealed.

and speaking of cowardice and mean-spiritedness, from tadic and co. that is coming right out of the horse's mouth.

laluc

pre 15 godina

"To our fellow citizens in Kosovo, we are sending a message that their state is taking care of them and their interests," Tadić stated."


Oh really? Then why did you cut off the salary of Serb doctors in Mitrovica two days ago causing them to move to Serbia? Oh right, it's because you've given up on Kosova.

Gojko

pre 15 godina

Kosov has only been recognized by 2 countries!

USA and Albania are the only countries that have truly formally recognized Kosovo.

Take a look at the ICJ ruling. Even Germany, Croatia, France, Italy, did not dare to recognize in the ICJ.

So 54 countries recognizing is a joke. The question Albaninas need to ask is..... Why didn't these other countries recognize Kosovo where it counts in the ICJ?

Ataman

pre 15 godina

What is EULEX doing in Kosovo ? Supervising the independent country and their instutuions.
(Demi_, 14 February 2009 16:41)

This is without dispute the best-ever posting about Kosovo.

"Supervising the independent country".

Again:

"SUPERVISING the INDEPENDENT country".

And it comes from K-Albanian.

Thank you.

Besides the obvious oxymoron, one more comment: that "supervising" of "independent" country is done by a pretty much minor, marginal organization (EULEX) with a relatively humble budget and probably not very tough to corrupt.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

Who cares if something is a state or not?

What I would want to know is:

Is there justice and fairness where I live? Are there laws that I can depend on? A police(?) force that will uphold those laws. I don't really care if the force is state-controlled force paid by taxes, or some private security company like Blackwater that I pay out of my own pocket. Is there an infrastructure that works? Roads? Electricity? Schools and education for the children? A way to treatment by a doctor? Again, I don't care if I have to pay for this through taxes to a state, or paying some mega-insurance company.

I assume Somalia is still counted as a state, but would anyone really prefer to live there instead of in Kosovo?

So let's hear it from the Kosovo supporters: Do you have security, a health system, a working infrastructure? Or is it all a mess where the strongest survive?
--

USA

pre 15 godina

Jan,

You hit it right on the head. It is not only a place where the strongest survive, it is a place where the most ruthless criminal thrives. I would ask all on this site one question:

After billions of dollars are invested in the infrastructure and in the building of a political system by the west, does the newly formed entity survive when everyone walks away? In other words, does the inherent crime, corruption, and tribal existence that has always existed in the Albanian culture promote the continued growth and existence of a new state?

I know for a fact that the answer is NO. So why is everyone wasting their time? The answer is the need to create an ally and military front just west of Russia. The US is well aware that this experiment will ultimately fail, but why not use it to their advantage in the meantime?

Joe

pre 15 godina

Jan,

I share your points and I like your comparison with Somalia. Nobody wants to minimize the problems of Kosovo but things have to be seen in a broader contest: the security and daily life of its citizens compared to that of 10 years ago. The "fellow citizens" of Tadic were terrorized on a daily basis, were all unemployed, their children had to be educated at home (sarcastically called "private education") and worse, over half of the population was forced to take "free" train trips ("courtesy" of the state of Serbia)to the border with Macedonia. Keeping all this in mind I can imagine how the Kosovars feel when Tadic speaks to those "fellow citizens". In light of all that it appears of bad taste and quite insulting.

malcolm x

pre 15 godina

(L*O*G*I*C, 14 February 2009 19:20)
i read the data about the economy in yugoslavia in the second half of the 90's. slovenia's gdp per capita was roughly twice the yugoslav average, croatia's was above average, serbia was almost exactly yugoslav average and kosovo's half of it. nobody "surpassed" anyone, things remained the same.

and yes, supervised independence is an oxymoron. the proper term should be "protectorate" as much as some people may not like it.

bd

pre 15 godina

If Kosovo was a state, the Albanian posters would have no need in trying to prove otherwise. Kosovo is, what it is, and it's not what many think that it is. Kosovo is what the International Law says, and resolution 1244. Bush and NATO do not rule the planet Earth anymore. "The times they are a changin'."

Michael John

pre 15 godina

I'd like to challenge anyone on this site to show me where pro-Albanian posters initiated discussion trying to prove that Kosova/o is a "real" state. All I see is on this site is pro-Serb posters making arguments that Kosova/o is not and never will be a country. If any of you pro-Serb posters have ever been to Kosova/o, you will find that many improvements have been made for the average citizen since the war in 1999. I don't think anyone can dispute that Albanians are much better off now than when they were under Serbia.

I have lived both in Kosova/o and Serbia, recently for about six months, and I can assure you that the people in Kosova/o are far happier than those of Serbia. This is based on extensive personal contact with a cross section of society with people of both countries. Happiness is a key indicator of how well off each group perceive themselves. Until one can experience living in both countries, I think any speculation on the part of armchair economists and sociologists is an exercise in futility.

George

pre 15 godina

The Albanians can say all they want that Kosovo is this, that Kosovo is that, that Kosovo is Kosova, that Kosovo is independent, that Kosvoso is Albania, that Kosovo is Dardania, nirvana...or even heaven. But as long as the current mindset of it's rulers prevails, it's still the same old hell.

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 15 godina

He said that the country's membership in the EU is a strategic goal, "clearly determined and confirmed in all elections by the citizens' decision".

Unlike many Serbs on this site, Tadic realizes that Serbia will have no future if she remains outside the EU.

There is no alternative to the EU.
(Mircea, 14 February 2009 16:35)

Mircea,

You really do sound like a broken record... No matter what the subject you always seem to turn it to the topic of the EU. As we say in Sunny Glasgow - Dry up will ye! Try writing something constructive.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

You really do sound like a broken record... No matter what the subject you always seem to turn it to the topic of the EU. As we say in Sunny Glasgow - Dry up will ye! Try writing something constructive.
(Mr. David J. Jones, 15 February 2009 06:46)

Mircea either likes to brag so much about Romania being in the EU that he forgets it's such bad manners or he is paid commission for every country he convinces to join.
What a joker.

I really don't understand why B92 lets his posts through any longer. He is boring us all to tears with the same old message.

No use talking to him and telling him to cut it out. He is determined to bore us to tears.

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 15 godina

I'd like to challenge anyone on this site to show me where pro-Albanian posters initiated discussion trying to prove that Kosova/o is a "real" state. All I see is on this site is pro-Serb posters making arguments that Kosova/o is not and never will be a country. If any of you pro-Serb posters have ever been to Kosova/o, you will find that many improvements have been made for the average citizen since the war in 1999. I don't think anyone can dispute that Albanians are much better off now than when they were under Serbia.

I have lived both in Kosova/o and Serbia, recently for about six months, and I can assure you that the people in Kosova/o are far happier than those of Serbia. This is based on extensive personal contact with a cross section of society with people of both countries. Happiness is a key indicator of how well off each group perceive themselves. Until one can experience living in both countries, I think any speculation on the part of armchair economists and sociologists is an exercise in futility.
(Michael John, 15 February 2009 21:26)

6 whole months, WOW, you must be an expert now. Michael try 6 years then you will get half way to the surface. More than that, read some history books.

I doubt 20 years living in the Balkans would get you close to understanding.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

I say: let them just talk about their (virtual) state and believe that it is a "done deal"!

in the meantime Serbia is recovering from 2 decades of anti-serb propaganda and even naked aggression.

sooner or later, our dear albanian friends, Mircea and all those other "westerners" ( who are so obviously simple Albanians ) will have to swallow a bitter pill.

my dear friends, your lesson to learn will be that international law is much stronger than you wish it to be.
If I were an Albanian, I wouldn´t talk that way about UNSCR 1244.. that will haunt them, I am very confident about that.

let´s just see what future brings!

Reality

pre 15 godina

Of course Kosovo is a State. 54 countries have recognised it and that number will grow in the near future. The Serbs have to and must realise that the following will be your destiny if you want to be a member the E.U. Firstly hand over Mladic & Hadzic, Deal with organised crime ( Zemun Clan etc.)tackle corruption and recognise Kosovo as an independent state. If Seerbia wants to move forward and is willing to become a E.U member you must do as the other E.U members tell you what to do. Holland is a prime example.

Hruz

pre 15 godina

Thanks Tadic, This morning I was in a bit of bad mood, but reading this article made my day. Laughing is healthy...

Serbia as the focal point for regional stability, and a true champion of democracy?

Thanks Tadic for your good humour and for making rhousands of people laugh...

albano

pre 15 godina

Why is that important what you say Mr.Tadic, to all of us is clear Serbia has not any kind of access in Kosova, I have a passport where it says Republic of Kosova, I have a Kosova citizenship, I have my flag, military, police, I have my state Mr.Tadic