Albania sends "recognize Kosovo" petition

"To us as Muslims, it came as a surprise that the Arab world did not recognize Kosovo. We thought of appealing to the countries that helped the Kosovo people with humanitarian aid in 1999," said Agim Baci, one of the organizers of the petition.
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It comes as a surprise? The Islamic and Arab world are not as stupid as some would believe. Firstly the Albanians put nationalism way before religion and it's no secret the Arabs generally despise the United States and George Bush, which we all know the Albanians love.

Turkey already lobbied IOC members but failed miserably. The world knows Kosovo dependence is an excuse to maintain a NATO base on Serbian soil and are overwhelmingly against it.

Soon we'll be talking about countries revoking recognition. My bet is on Montenegro to be the first but there are some other good candidates out there.

Why would Christians sign a petition to try and get more Islamic countries to recognise a province which plays such an important role in Christian culture?

If Albania is appealing to the organisation as fellow Muslims then why would the Christians said to have signed not be protecting the rights of fellow Christians?

"Firstly the Albanians put nationalism way before religion and it's no secret the Arabs generally despise the United States and George Bush, which we all know the Albanians love."

ZK and Kate,

Let me tell you something. Kosova issue is not a religious one. You know that all know that. I can tell you,generally speaking, Abanians care less about religion.
The phisical war has been won in Kosova. Now there is a political battle again. Serbia is using everything to win a "moral" battle. Why shouldn't the Albanians do the same to win THE MORAL battle as well even if it is done in the name of "religion"? One thing is for certain which every Albanian believe. THERE IS NO RETURN TO SERBIA! It would be more likely Kosova to join Albania should Serbia continue its obstructive policies. If that is what Serbia really want continue with yoru obstructions and disruptions....

How pathetic. This shows how amateur albania is in international relations. Any country that does deals with the us is mud in the eyes of the Arabs. Serbia is more popular in the Middle East than albania.

Kate,

The Christians that signed the petition are Catholic and Orthodox Albanians. This is where I admire the Albaninians. They do not mix religon with state. They live as one. Unlike Serbs, Bosniaks, and Croats.

The Middle East would recognize Kosovo in a heart beat, but countries like Iran do not want to follow US's lead. That is the last thing some of these countries want to do.

"Also, you say there is no return to Serbia but when the time comes and you realise Kosovo is Serbia...

ZK,

Give me one reason, only one to believe that Kosova will return to Serbia but PLEASE BE REAL FOR ONCE! As I said it would be more realistic for Kosova to join Albania rather than returning to Serbia. I am not suggesting that I am just making a POINT about your nonsenses. Way forward Serbia recognises Kosova as independent country, friendship agreement between Kosova and Serbia, free movement of goods and people, agreement about double nationalites and THAT CAN BE REAL! Both countries in EU. Not a rocket science for God's sake!

Again, another state doing the work Kosovo should be doing. Last year at this time Hashish was going around saying "100 countries" would recognize in the first 48 hours of UDD, including many Muslim countries (because supposedly Albanians are either loyal Muslims or the oldest Christians, whatever suits their political purposes). Apparently it didn't happen and apparently even the more pro-US governments like Egypt, Jordan, and even Iraq, have not recognized.

But I guess we should be prepared to hear lots of self-congratulatory rhetoric from Pristina, as well as Belgrade.

Ben,

One question on your comment,

"This shows the urgent need for you to come in Albania/kosova for a course on teh inter-religous tolerance."

WHY DO ALBANIANS TERRORIZE SERBIAN CHURCHES?

It looks like you only have tolerence for the religon Albanians choose.

EA, I am really having difficulties understanding you Albanians at times.

You guys actually believe that you have a say in matters but the reality is you don't. The reason why you wont get support for Kosovo ever joining Albania is because your masters know that means war.

Also, you say there is no return to Serbia but when the time comes and you realise Kosovo is Serbia are you suggesting that all of the Albanians are going to leave?

Fantastic job Albania! And thank you Turkey for lobbying for us!

EA, I really have no interest in debating with Albanians because it's generally pointless. There is a large gap between our opinions so why bother? Serbians with the overwhelming majority of the world consider Kosovo a Serbian province while the Albanians with their masters and occupiers would like to believe otherwise.

Your best chance of a peaceful resolution is to negotiate with this existing government but that is unlikely to happen. The status quo remains until global influences allow the situation to change, which we are currently witnessing. If you want me to be honest, I don't think this is going to end up being resolved peacefully. We can only hope it will.

(kate, 14 February 2009 13:16)

It is you pure ignorance of the Albanian culture and yet you don't reserve yourself in posting naive comments here all the time.

This shows the urgent need for you to come in Albania/kosova for a course on teh inter-religous tolerance.

Something that many nations should do ASAP.

Albanians are model for the inter-religous tolerance and years light in front of many other cultures in this aspect.

OIC and others instead of hesitating in recognition shoudl admire Albanians for this.

Thanks Borthers.Next years we will bre together and from Ethnic Albania.

ZK

I think one must be delusional to believe Kosovo will return to Serbia and everything will be just fine. I was in Kosovo briefly a few months ago, and I truly saw a people whose very existence was perceived as a struggle against Serbian rule.

I mean every hero, every patriotic song, dance, tale, etc etc had a anti-Serbian theme in it.

How amateurish, indeed.

It is much easier for Albania to push their colleagues from Kosovo into some organizations (OSJD) where main players are Russia, China, Belarus - but also some EU countries. Albania was one of the founders. But that requires somewhat more professionalism, paying the membership fees, not neglecting the conferences + meetings and certainly nothing what has to do with religion.

ZK,

I had a reply to your last comment but as far as I can see B92 decided to puzzle you by not publishing it.

There is a large gap between our opinions so why bother?

I have said that long time ago when "negotiations" started regarding the Kosova status before the 17th of Feb 2008. There would never be an agreement between Kosova and Serbia when it comes to independence.

You say
"Serbians with the overwhelming majority of the world consider Kosovo a Serbian province while the Albanians with their masters and occupiers would like to believe otherwise."

I ask you what is "a majority" for you for is is a minority. I measure the majority with the economic, military and economic strength as well as impact one country has in the world.

ZK,
I appreciate your sincerity in
"If you want me to be honest, I don't think this is going to end up being resolved peacefully. We can only hope it will.
(ZK, 14 February 2009 20:07)

Way forward Serbia to recognise Kosova as independent and then start REAL talks with Kosova institutions.

Kate you have a good question there. In 2005 when I was asked to come to Kosovo, and I started studying up on the area. Being post 9/11, I asked the same question.
Once here it took no time to find the answer to the question. As I return to America, I will be one of the strongest supporters of Kosovo Independence and I am now in a place where I can answer that should any of my people ask.

"Firstly the Albanians put nationalism way before religion and it's no secret the Arabs generally despise the United States and George Bush, which we all know the Albanians love."

ZK and Kate,

Let me tell you something. Kosova issue is not a religious one. You know that all know that. I can tell you,generally speaking, Abanians care less about religion.

EA, you have just found your answer on why Arabs won't recognize you. I can't believe it. You actually answered that question yourself and you are still arguing that they should.

Albanians have demonstrated how in sync they are with the Arabs by getting into bed with US. Not in sync at all but they expect the Arabs to recognize them.

Such arrogance is rare.

The title is wrong,
It is not Albania as a state who is doing this, it is an association of Albanians in Albania. Sadly, the government isn't doing much. The Albanian government hasn't even appointed the Albanian ambassador to Kosovo yet. They should have been among the first countries to do so.

Its been a couple of days since I posed a question to ben and Albanians.

WHY DO ALBANIANS TERRORIZE SERBIAN CHURCHES IF YOU TOLERATE ALL RELIGONS?

I see poor comments messages, but do not have anybody stand up to my question and give a reasonable answer.

Are you scared to admit the truth? Do you not want to admit your flaws? This in its self proves you can not become a "state".

Your silence speaks volumes!

Ben,

You still did not answer my question!

WHY DO ALBANIANS TERROIZE SERBIAN CHURCHES IF THEY TOLERATE ALL RELIGONS?

I don't care if it was one case or hundreds, if it was 2004, 1865, or yesterday. Believe me there are cases all the time with Serbian Churches being vandalized in Kosovo (you know that). You can call it Serbian propaganda if you wish.



Ottoman Turks were in control of Kosovo not Albanians. That is actually a BIG DIFFERENCE. The Albanians did not dare to rebel against the Ottomans or Serbs and the ratio of Serbs to Albanians is not what it is today.

It easier to burn churches when there are no Serbs to protect their church unlike in the Ottoman times.


Do you think the incident you are talking about in 2004 would of happened if the Kosovo population was 50% Serb and 50% Albanian?

that´s only "food" for the k-albanian separatist-crowd.

if Turkey didn´t manage to provide "results" to their american bosses, then little Albania won´t have much of a chance.

but nevertheless, it gives our dear friends something to hope for, and B92 the opportunity to present some "news".

much ado about nothing.

by the way: in the muslim culture thieves are not very respected - and I bet they have been quite amazed to see what happened to former pres. Bush´s wristwatch.

good luck!

To gojko
WHY DO ALBANIANS TERRORIZE SERBIAN CHURCHES IF YOU TOLERATE ALL RELIGONS?

Because so many Albanians in Kosovo lost their parents brother’s sister’s sons they are just angry not being able to berry them and say godbay

As fore me I was born in PEJA-PEQ my first neighbors were Serbians or Montenegrin now I don’t remember .We lived not far from peja church. I baby sat for their son nebojsha and went with theme everywhere and we were in and aut of ich other homes everyday until they disidet to move to Beograd for better life especially education for there 2 sons I still had a fund memories of that family who helpt us after my fathers death so much. I will never forget what they did for my mather my brothers and sister and I. I went inside of peja church at list 1000 times I loved the piece and flowers at that church when I go back home I look from far at that flower yard.


MY prayer is Good help the good people fund the piece


And GOD BLES KOSOVO


Happy first birthday my homeland and many more to come

Your silence speaks volumes!
(Gojko, 16 February 2009 20:35)

I tried to asnwer you twice but apparently posts are being "lost".

I'll try again: if K-A wanted to destroy the chriches thery could've done that with greatest calm centuries ago as as your propaganda says K-A enjoyed the prottection of ottomans. Yet the churches are there.

Can you explain me this??? Or can you mention me another one single other case as the one of 2004??? There is not veen one sinle case.

"Firstly the Albanians put nationalism way before religion and it's no secret the Arabs generally despise the United States and George Bush, which we all know the Albanians love."

ZK and Kate,

Let me tell you something. Kosova issue is not a religious one. You know that all know that. I can tell you,generally speaking, Abanians care less about religion.
The phisical war has been won in Kosova. Now there is a political battle again. Serbia is using everything to win a "moral" battle. Why shouldn't the Albanians do the same to win THE MORAL battle as well even if it is done in the name of "religion"? One thing is for certain which every Albanian believe. THERE IS NO RETURN TO SERBIA! It would be more likely Kosova to join Albania should Serbia continue its obstructive policies. If that is what Serbia really want continue with yoru obstructions and disruptions....

Why would Christians sign a petition to try and get more Islamic countries to recognise a province which plays such an important role in Christian culture?

If Albania is appealing to the organisation as fellow Muslims then why would the Christians said to have signed not be protecting the rights of fellow Christians?

"To us as Muslims, it came as a surprise that the Arab world did not recognize Kosovo. We thought of appealing to the countries that helped the Kosovo people with humanitarian aid in 1999," said Agim Baci, one of the organizers of the petition.
--
It comes as a surprise? The Islamic and Arab world are not as stupid as some would believe. Firstly the Albanians put nationalism way before religion and it's no secret the Arabs generally despise the United States and George Bush, which we all know the Albanians love.

Turkey already lobbied IOC members but failed miserably. The world knows Kosovo dependence is an excuse to maintain a NATO base on Serbian soil and are overwhelmingly against it.

Soon we'll be talking about countries revoking recognition. My bet is on Montenegro to be the first but there are some other good candidates out there.

Thanks Borthers.Next years we will bre together and from Ethnic Albania.

How pathetic. This shows how amateur albania is in international relations. Any country that does deals with the us is mud in the eyes of the Arabs. Serbia is more popular in the Middle East than albania.

EA, I am really having difficulties understanding you Albanians at times.

You guys actually believe that you have a say in matters but the reality is you don't. The reason why you wont get support for Kosovo ever joining Albania is because your masters know that means war.

Also, you say there is no return to Serbia but when the time comes and you realise Kosovo is Serbia are you suggesting that all of the Albanians are going to leave?

Fantastic job Albania! And thank you Turkey for lobbying for us!

ZK

I think one must be delusional to believe Kosovo will return to Serbia and everything will be just fine. I was in Kosovo briefly a few months ago, and I truly saw a people whose very existence was perceived as a struggle against Serbian rule.

I mean every hero, every patriotic song, dance, tale, etc etc had a anti-Serbian theme in it.

(kate, 14 February 2009 13:16)

It is you pure ignorance of the Albanian culture and yet you don't reserve yourself in posting naive comments here all the time.

This shows the urgent need for you to come in Albania/kosova for a course on teh inter-religous tolerance.

Something that many nations should do ASAP.

Albanians are model for the inter-religous tolerance and years light in front of many other cultures in this aspect.

OIC and others instead of hesitating in recognition shoudl admire Albanians for this.

"Also, you say there is no return to Serbia but when the time comes and you realise Kosovo is Serbia...

ZK,

Give me one reason, only one to believe that Kosova will return to Serbia but PLEASE BE REAL FOR ONCE! As I said it would be more realistic for Kosova to join Albania rather than returning to Serbia. I am not suggesting that I am just making a POINT about your nonsenses. Way forward Serbia recognises Kosova as independent country, friendship agreement between Kosova and Serbia, free movement of goods and people, agreement about double nationalites and THAT CAN BE REAL! Both countries in EU. Not a rocket science for God's sake!

EA, I really have no interest in debating with Albanians because it's generally pointless. There is a large gap between our opinions so why bother? Serbians with the overwhelming majority of the world consider Kosovo a Serbian province while the Albanians with their masters and occupiers would like to believe otherwise.

Your best chance of a peaceful resolution is to negotiate with this existing government but that is unlikely to happen. The status quo remains until global influences allow the situation to change, which we are currently witnessing. If you want me to be honest, I don't think this is going to end up being resolved peacefully. We can only hope it will.

ZK,

I had a reply to your last comment but as far as I can see B92 decided to puzzle you by not publishing it.

There is a large gap between our opinions so why bother?

I have said that long time ago when "negotiations" started regarding the Kosova status before the 17th of Feb 2008. There would never be an agreement between Kosova and Serbia when it comes to independence.

You say
"Serbians with the overwhelming majority of the world consider Kosovo a Serbian province while the Albanians with their masters and occupiers would like to believe otherwise."

I ask you what is "a majority" for you for is is a minority. I measure the majority with the economic, military and economic strength as well as impact one country has in the world.

ZK,
I appreciate your sincerity in
"If you want me to be honest, I don't think this is going to end up being resolved peacefully. We can only hope it will.
(ZK, 14 February 2009 20:07)

Way forward Serbia to recognise Kosova as independent and then start REAL talks with Kosova institutions.

Ben,

One question on your comment,

"This shows the urgent need for you to come in Albania/kosova for a course on teh inter-religous tolerance."

WHY DO ALBANIANS TERRORIZE SERBIAN CHURCHES?

It looks like you only have tolerence for the religon Albanians choose.

Kate you have a good question there. In 2005 when I was asked to come to Kosovo, and I started studying up on the area. Being post 9/11, I asked the same question.
Once here it took no time to find the answer to the question. As I return to America, I will be one of the strongest supporters of Kosovo Independence and I am now in a place where I can answer that should any of my people ask.

Kate,

The Christians that signed the petition are Catholic and Orthodox Albanians. This is where I admire the Albaninians. They do not mix religon with state. They live as one. Unlike Serbs, Bosniaks, and Croats.

The Middle East would recognize Kosovo in a heart beat, but countries like Iran do not want to follow US's lead. That is the last thing some of these countries want to do.

Again, another state doing the work Kosovo should be doing. Last year at this time Hashish was going around saying "100 countries" would recognize in the first 48 hours of UDD, including many Muslim countries (because supposedly Albanians are either loyal Muslims or the oldest Christians, whatever suits their political purposes). Apparently it didn't happen and apparently even the more pro-US governments like Egypt, Jordan, and even Iraq, have not recognized.

But I guess we should be prepared to hear lots of self-congratulatory rhetoric from Pristina, as well as Belgrade.

How amateurish, indeed.

It is much easier for Albania to push their colleagues from Kosovo into some organizations (OSJD) where main players are Russia, China, Belarus - but also some EU countries. Albania was one of the founders. But that requires somewhat more professionalism, paying the membership fees, not neglecting the conferences + meetings and certainly nothing what has to do with religion.

"Firstly the Albanians put nationalism way before religion and it's no secret the Arabs generally despise the United States and George Bush, which we all know the Albanians love."

ZK and Kate,

Let me tell you something. Kosova issue is not a religious one. You know that all know that. I can tell you,generally speaking, Abanians care less about religion.

EA, you have just found your answer on why Arabs won't recognize you. I can't believe it. You actually answered that question yourself and you are still arguing that they should.

Albanians have demonstrated how in sync they are with the Arabs by getting into bed with US. Not in sync at all but they expect the Arabs to recognize them.

Such arrogance is rare.

that´s only "food" for the k-albanian separatist-crowd.

if Turkey didn´t manage to provide "results" to their american bosses, then little Albania won´t have much of a chance.

but nevertheless, it gives our dear friends something to hope for, and B92 the opportunity to present some "news".

much ado about nothing.

by the way: in the muslim culture thieves are not very respected - and I bet they have been quite amazed to see what happened to former pres. Bush´s wristwatch.

good luck!

The title is wrong,
It is not Albania as a state who is doing this, it is an association of Albanians in Albania. Sadly, the government isn't doing much. The Albanian government hasn't even appointed the Albanian ambassador to Kosovo yet. They should have been among the first countries to do so.

Your silence speaks volumes!
(Gojko, 16 February 2009 20:35)

I tried to asnwer you twice but apparently posts are being "lost".

I'll try again: if K-A wanted to destroy the chriches thery could've done that with greatest calm centuries ago as as your propaganda says K-A enjoyed the prottection of ottomans. Yet the churches are there.

Can you explain me this??? Or can you mention me another one single other case as the one of 2004??? There is not veen one sinle case.

To gojko
WHY DO ALBANIANS TERRORIZE SERBIAN CHURCHES IF YOU TOLERATE ALL RELIGONS?

Because so many Albanians in Kosovo lost their parents brother’s sister’s sons they are just angry not being able to berry them and say godbay

As fore me I was born in PEJA-PEQ my first neighbors were Serbians or Montenegrin now I don’t remember .We lived not far from peja church. I baby sat for their son nebojsha and went with theme everywhere and we were in and aut of ich other homes everyday until they disidet to move to Beograd for better life especially education for there 2 sons I still had a fund memories of that family who helpt us after my fathers death so much. I will never forget what they did for my mather my brothers and sister and I. I went inside of peja church at list 1000 times I loved the piece and flowers at that church when I go back home I look from far at that flower yard.


MY prayer is Good help the good people fund the piece


And GOD BLES KOSOVO


Happy first birthday my homeland and many more to come

Its been a couple of days since I posed a question to ben and Albanians.

WHY DO ALBANIANS TERRORIZE SERBIAN CHURCHES IF YOU TOLERATE ALL RELIGONS?

I see poor comments messages, but do not have anybody stand up to my question and give a reasonable answer.

Are you scared to admit the truth? Do you not want to admit your flaws? This in its self proves you can not become a "state".

Your silence speaks volumes!

Ben,

You still did not answer my question!

WHY DO ALBANIANS TERROIZE SERBIAN CHURCHES IF THEY TOLERATE ALL RELIGONS?

I don't care if it was one case or hundreds, if it was 2004, 1865, or yesterday. Believe me there are cases all the time with Serbian Churches being vandalized in Kosovo (you know that). You can call it Serbian propaganda if you wish.



Ottoman Turks were in control of Kosovo not Albanians. That is actually a BIG DIFFERENCE. The Albanians did not dare to rebel against the Ottomans or Serbs and the ratio of Serbs to Albanians is not what it is today.

It easier to burn churches when there are no Serbs to protect their church unlike in the Ottoman times.


Do you think the incident you are talking about in 2004 would of happened if the Kosovo population was 50% Serb and 50% Albanian?