Maybe someone should send a copy of the 6 point plan to Mitrovica.
"International customs officers appointed in accordance with SC1244 will be reinstated at gates 1 & 31."
Albanian where before the Huns, Slavs and many more started invadeding Balkans lived up till Beograd and throught the Croatian coast Line read at least some History and not your own Serb propaganda.
(Dardania, 10 February 2009 16:28)
Celtic, Thracian, Illyrian and other tribes lived in the area. "Other" does also mean tribes speaking agglutinative language. You cannot claim inheritance from EVERY tribe in the area, only from SOME Thracian or/and Illyrian or/and Dacian/Valachian tribes. Much is still not clear and some linguistic/ethnographic research points rather to Thracian or Valachian origin of Albanians than to Illyrian. Neither is better or worse, all were locals for thousands of years in the area - but they weren't the same.
If you claim inheritance from every Illyrian/Thracian/Dacian/etc. tribe - it's like Hungarians would claim inheritance from every agglutinative-speaking tribe or Serbs from every Baltic-Slavonic tribe.
Than, Serbs would claim everything from western Anatolia (Hittites) till northern Balticum and Hungarians everything from Mesopotamia (Sumer) till Tokyo. Neither is more ridiculous than the full Balkan peninsula being "Albanian". Albanians can claim being descendants of certain few local tribes only, not everything in the universe. Otherwise even the numbers won't add up.
Did anyone know that George W Bush had approved the filming of all demonstrators of the Iraqi war in Washington DC? This reminds me when my father was secretly filmed by the Yugoslavian communist agents while demonstrating against Tito in Washington DC in the 70s.(My whole family paid a dear price for my father's participation) Senator Leahy from Vermont said that "we fought a revolution in this country so we could protest the actions of our government". Just one more fact and evidence of the progressing stages of dementia in George W Bush. So please don't be angry with Americans over Kosovo as you Serbs in Serbia can plainly see what "W" has done to the global economy, and America's image and standing in the world. Dementia can happen to any one of us and it's certainly not something to poke fun at
or to be ashamed of. However, Richard Holbrooke's "overbearing" ego is something definitely to be ashamed of and embarassed, especially knowing how passionately we in America abhor egomaniacs. Please read: Hillary Clinton on Managing one of the Legendary Egos of Washington. Protesting is a powerful tool in democratic societies. However, Nato and the EU are only democratic on paper but not in practice. I think the whole world (including many EU citizens) is getting the same clear picture about NATO and the EU. The more you demonstrate, the more they are exposed to the world for what they really are.
PRN & Dardania, nice try... but again no cigar. I know you would LIKE to believe that ALL of Europe was Albanian, but however you are sadly mistaken. Nobody cares to read about your unknown "historians". Everyone has a access to an encyclopedia these days and can easily look up for themselves. They don't have to take yours or in fact my own word for it. Its plain for any child to see. Even the name Kosovo is Serbian. Which is why Albanians are trying to call it Kosova now.
Trying to say that all the Serbian churches and monasteries in Kosovo are in fact Albanian because at some point Albanians use to be under the Romans is a new low, even for Albanians. Why are then these churches & monasteries Orthodox???? (which just so happens to be the religion of Serbs?) Why would "catholic" Albanians name their "monasteries" after Serbian saints? Its because they are not nor have they ever been Albanian. Up until 1950's Serbs were always the majority in Kosovo. Its a well known fact that Serbs lost 1/3 of its male population liberating itself from the Nazi and their allies in WW2. That coupled with Tito's open border policy with Albanian immigrants who wanted to flee to Serbia for a better life shifted the balance of population in the province of Kosovo. From then on, the Albanians (I wont call you Kosovar's since the term Kosovar was invented by the Western media only but a few short years ago to make it sound more believable that Albanians & Kosovars are different) have been following a policy of extreme ethnic cleansing (just look at the geographic makeup in Kosovo... 98% Albanian).
Its funny how you admit that Albanians use to be Christian but converted over to Islam because they had lower taxes. That's one of the differnces between Serbs and Albanians. You can't BUY a Serbs religion with money. You fought with the Germans twice because you "thought" they were more powerful, even though you and everyone knew they were doing evil. Well this time is no different. We are what we are, and history keeps repeating itself. Serbia will not sell its province for any price or promise, that you can be sure of... and in the end what everything is said and done, we will prevail just as we have every other time. Regardless of who is against or with us. They called us crazy and said we have no chance before. But everyone was wrong then, and they will be again. Kosovo & Serbia are bound by a higher power than any country or alliance... and that why we never sold out our religion.
No you see the Turks where the only people the Serbs survieved to be occupied by and Germans under world war to but you had Albanians fighting for and aggainst the germans same was serbs. The only way Serbs survived the Turks without being converted to christianaty was moving out when turks came. Albanians stayed in their own lands. And yes your right Kosova has't been called that allways. Before the Serbs it was Dardania and its citizens Dardans. Just like Albania was called Illyria and it's people Illyrians. And no those Historiens are respected throughout the world that writes albanian history. yes but we dont read serbian enclopedya but the english, german and french ones. And the term Kosova for me we can change to Dardania whenever you want.
Mass protests like this one are a reflection of what the will of the people is, not what a government is attempting to achieve. The fact of the matter is that these protests are a reflection of the unwillingness of the Serbian population to be governed by an Albanian run government in Kosovo. This will never change, and the sooner the Albanians realize it, the sooner they will be willing to sit down at the table again to discuss a real and long-lasting solution to this crisis. Also, don't forget that the whole world is watching this so called "democracy" developing, so all one can do is sit back and watch the protests. The Albanian's hands are tied, the protests will continue, and there is nothing Pristina can do about it. The situation will continue to destabilize and the area north of the Ibar will never be governed by Pristina. Good luck guys!
Well mates Before 1336 the Albanians where Christians. When we where under the Roman Empire we got Christianised and then during Ottoman Empire some still where Christian but many turned to Islam because they didn't want to pay higher taxes. Albanian where before the Huns, Slavs and many more started invadeding Balkans lived up till Beograd and throught the Croatian coast Line read at least some History and not your own Serb propaganda.
Serbian mafia is controlled by Serbian government, this is nothing new but I just want to make it clear how these protest are organised and who do they serve.
(Olf, 10 February 2009 12:18)
It's incorrect, the opposite is true. It was documented many times: even at the lowest level the mafia on the both sides is cooperating very actively. See the infamous "cheap" Kosovo-gasoline. On the highest level: Miskovic intents to open stores in Kosovo and is warmly welcomed by his counterparts. Such protests are a big disturbance to mafia on both sides, absolutely not in their interest.
No one mafiosi does fear EULEX either - it's not that tough to corrupt people working for EULEX. That's the "reality on the ground".
Where do you get your fiction stories from? Yes yes at one time the whole world belonged to albans and you were the rulers of the universe....
(Ratko, 10 February 2009 15:22)
Dear Ratko,
Let me tell you where I get my 'fiction'.
My sources I get from international historians.
Please Read the following Journal(written in 1879) titled "Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland " PAGE 73 written by Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland, JSTOR (Organization) - Anthropology ....and you will find "In 1336 Dushan invaded Northern Albania, and speedily appropriated the whole
country except Durazzo..."
Unfortunately, some still live with 1244 in their mind. It harms more Serbs than anything else. It keeps Serbia away from prosperity.
However, number of Serbs that are still with 1244 is the same as the number of JUL supporters in Serbia.
Kate
all security services, including Serbian one, tell of Serbian gov. involvment in mafia business, Kosovo, Serbia, Europe. Of course there are elements of other mafias to, fact that I did not mention.
If they decide to throw one Moltov Cocktail the KP should arrest these persons. Maybe 15% or 20% of these protesters will be ex-KPS and MUP operatives.
Aren't these the same guys that burned the border last year and still didn't achieve anything?
(laluc, 10 February 2009 14:30)
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You must be kidding? Since the burning of those border posts, goods have freely entered the province without any issue whatsoever. Even with the EU mission in place they are only monitoring goods, however, soon they will get the message that even that is not going to happen.
When the Albanians illegally declared independence, the provincial border was fully opened and it is going to stay that way - like it or not.
The independence camp is being blocked and resisted at every turn and this will continue until the message is clear. RIP Kosovo independence.
They are so right for protesting against EULEX. How dare EULEX walk over UN decisions and against rights of the Kosovo Serbs? I am afraid that all Serbs and from Kosovo and from elsewhere will have to actively help in here, with protests but also blockades of the border crossings and courts.They need help!
PRN: "I am now pleased that we are INDEPENDENT from foreign occupiers."
Are you kidding? Kosovo is completely run by foreign occupiers. Your provincial goverment has no real power at all and nothing can be done without the UN's go-ahead. Rightly so under Res. 1244.
Olf: "Serbian mafia is controlled by Serbian government..."
You're hurling a lot of stones for someone who lives in a very flimsy glass house!
To PRN, if Serbs invaded your so-called Northern Albania in 1336 who built all those Serbian churches there prior to 1336?
How many times do we have to kill your version of history with simple facts like these before you accept the reality?
Not that I want to discourage Serbs from protesting, but really, some of them protested for couple of weeks after Kosova pronounced it’s Independence and stopped after they find out that they are being used by Serbian mafia.
Serbian mafia is controlled by Serbian government, this is nothing new but I just want to make it clear how these protest are organised and who do they serve.
I also would like to ask EULEX to leave North Kosovo, for them to return a year after victoriously. This is simply because protest organisers/mafia are loosing the support of ordinary K-Serb and Serbian government are slowly telling K-Serbs to deal with their own issues.
My full support goes to the Serbians in KM. This EU mission needs to tread very carefully otherwise it could get very messy and destabilise the region.
Serbians are not going to put up with anything that impedes on the status neutrality they were mandated to enter. They will be boycotted and the functional partition will become deeper than ever.
Interference by any of the criminal elements in Pristina will surely inflame the situation. It is quite obvious that any provicial border control is completely unacceptable and the sooner this is realised the better.
So go ahead and make our day! Lets see whether the EU/US can mess this up even more.
Nis, Novi Pazar, Kragujevac were Albanian BUT now are not. I dont know what will future bring.
If you bother google this "In 1336 Dushan invaded Northern Albania, and speedily appropriated the whole country except Durazzo."
WE were invaded for over 6 centuries, and I am now pleased that we are INDEPENDENT from foreign occupiers.
Even though late, it is great that justice finally prevailed.
SERBIAN HISTORY CHANGE (to bring it in line with TRUTH or at least to what International Historians think about this region) is a MEDICINE for peace and prosperity in the region.
BETTER LATE THAN NEVER!!! we have let the illegal declaration of independence of the kosovo albanians happen, let the recognitions happen, let the US and its allies support it, let the EU support it as well in the form of EULEX, so now is the time for the SERBIAN authorities AND PEOPLE to show the world that SERBIANS have also a SAY in the goings-on in this tiny province of SERBIA.
Nis, Novi Pazar, Kragujevac were Albanian BUT now are not. I dont know what will future bring.
If you bother google this "In 1336 Dushan invaded Northern Albania, and speedily appropriated the whole country except Durazzo."
WE were invaded for over 6 centuries, and I am now pleased that we are INDEPENDENT from foreign occupiers.
Even though late, it is great that justice finally prevailed.
SERBIAN HISTORY CHANGE (to bring it in line with TRUTH or at least to what International Historians think about this region) is a MEDICINE for peace and prosperity in the region.
To PRN, if Serbs invaded your so-called Northern Albania in 1336 who built all those Serbian churches there prior to 1336?
How many times do we have to kill your version of history with simple facts like these before you accept the reality?
PRN: "I am now pleased that we are INDEPENDENT from foreign occupiers."
Are you kidding? Kosovo is completely run by foreign occupiers. Your provincial goverment has no real power at all and nothing can be done without the UN's go-ahead. Rightly so under Res. 1244.
Olf: "Serbian mafia is controlled by Serbian government..."
You're hurling a lot of stones for someone who lives in a very flimsy glass house!
BETTER LATE THAN NEVER!!! we have let the illegal declaration of independence of the kosovo albanians happen, let the recognitions happen, let the US and its allies support it, let the EU support it as well in the form of EULEX, so now is the time for the SERBIAN authorities AND PEOPLE to show the world that SERBIANS have also a SAY in the goings-on in this tiny province of SERBIA.
My full support goes to the Serbians in KM. This EU mission needs to tread very carefully otherwise it could get very messy and destabilise the region.
Serbians are not going to put up with anything that impedes on the status neutrality they were mandated to enter. They will be boycotted and the functional partition will become deeper than ever.
Interference by any of the criminal elements in Pristina will surely inflame the situation. It is quite obvious that any provicial border control is completely unacceptable and the sooner this is realised the better.
So go ahead and make our day! Lets see whether the EU/US can mess this up even more.
PRN & Dardania, nice try... but again no cigar. I know you would LIKE to believe that ALL of Europe was Albanian, but however you are sadly mistaken. Nobody cares to read about your unknown "historians". Everyone has a access to an encyclopedia these days and can easily look up for themselves. They don't have to take yours or in fact my own word for it. Its plain for any child to see. Even the name Kosovo is Serbian. Which is why Albanians are trying to call it Kosova now.
Trying to say that all the Serbian churches and monasteries in Kosovo are in fact Albanian because at some point Albanians use to be under the Romans is a new low, even for Albanians. Why are then these churches & monasteries Orthodox???? (which just so happens to be the religion of Serbs?) Why would "catholic" Albanians name their "monasteries" after Serbian saints? Its because they are not nor have they ever been Albanian. Up until 1950's Serbs were always the majority in Kosovo. Its a well known fact that Serbs lost 1/3 of its male population liberating itself from the Nazi and their allies in WW2. That coupled with Tito's open border policy with Albanian immigrants who wanted to flee to Serbia for a better life shifted the balance of population in the province of Kosovo. From then on, the Albanians (I wont call you Kosovar's since the term Kosovar was invented by the Western media only but a few short years ago to make it sound more believable that Albanians & Kosovars are different) have been following a policy of extreme ethnic cleansing (just look at the geographic makeup in Kosovo... 98% Albanian).
Its funny how you admit that Albanians use to be Christian but converted over to Islam because they had lower taxes. That's one of the differnces between Serbs and Albanians. You can't BUY a Serbs religion with money. You fought with the Germans twice because you "thought" they were more powerful, even though you and everyone knew they were doing evil. Well this time is no different. We are what we are, and history keeps repeating itself. Serbia will not sell its province for any price or promise, that you can be sure of... and in the end what everything is said and done, we will prevail just as we have every other time. Regardless of who is against or with us. They called us crazy and said we have no chance before. But everyone was wrong then, and they will be again. Kosovo & Serbia are bound by a higher power than any country or alliance... and that why we never sold out our religion.
Not that I want to discourage Serbs from protesting, but really, some of them protested for couple of weeks after Kosova pronounced it’s Independence and stopped after they find out that they are being used by Serbian mafia.
Serbian mafia is controlled by Serbian government, this is nothing new but I just want to make it clear how these protest are organised and who do they serve.
I also would like to ask EULEX to leave North Kosovo, for them to return a year after victoriously. This is simply because protest organisers/mafia are loosing the support of ordinary K-Serb and Serbian government are slowly telling K-Serbs to deal with their own issues.
Well mates Before 1336 the Albanians where Christians. When we where under the Roman Empire we got Christianised and then during Ottoman Empire some still where Christian but many turned to Islam because they didn't want to pay higher taxes. Albanian where before the Huns, Slavs and many more started invadeding Balkans lived up till Beograd and throught the Croatian coast Line read at least some History and not your own Serb propaganda.
They are so right for protesting against EULEX. How dare EULEX walk over UN decisions and against rights of the Kosovo Serbs? I am afraid that all Serbs and from Kosovo and from elsewhere will have to actively help in here, with protests but also blockades of the border crossings and courts.They need help!
Aren't these the same guys that burned the border last year and still didn't achieve anything?
(laluc, 10 February 2009 14:30)
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You must be kidding? Since the burning of those border posts, goods have freely entered the province without any issue whatsoever. Even with the EU mission in place they are only monitoring goods, however, soon they will get the message that even that is not going to happen.
When the Albanians illegally declared independence, the provincial border was fully opened and it is going to stay that way - like it or not.
The independence camp is being blocked and resisted at every turn and this will continue until the message is clear. RIP Kosovo independence.
Where do you get your fiction stories from? Yes yes at one time the whole world belonged to albans and you were the rulers of the universe....
(Ratko, 10 February 2009 15:22)
Dear Ratko,
Let me tell you where I get my 'fiction'.
My sources I get from international historians.
Please Read the following Journal(written in 1879) titled "Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland " PAGE 73 written by Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland, JSTOR (Organization) - Anthropology ....and you will find "In 1336 Dushan invaded Northern Albania, and speedily appropriated the whole
country except Durazzo..."
Mass protests like this one are a reflection of what the will of the people is, not what a government is attempting to achieve. The fact of the matter is that these protests are a reflection of the unwillingness of the Serbian population to be governed by an Albanian run government in Kosovo. This will never change, and the sooner the Albanians realize it, the sooner they will be willing to sit down at the table again to discuss a real and long-lasting solution to this crisis. Also, don't forget that the whole world is watching this so called "democracy" developing, so all one can do is sit back and watch the protests. The Albanian's hands are tied, the protests will continue, and there is nothing Pristina can do about it. The situation will continue to destabilize and the area north of the Ibar will never be governed by Pristina. Good luck guys!
If they decide to throw one Moltov Cocktail the KP should arrest these persons. Maybe 15% or 20% of these protesters will be ex-KPS and MUP operatives.
Unfortunately, some still live with 1244 in their mind. It harms more Serbs than anything else. It keeps Serbia away from prosperity.
However, number of Serbs that are still with 1244 is the same as the number of JUL supporters in Serbia.
Kate
all security services, including Serbian one, tell of Serbian gov. involvment in mafia business, Kosovo, Serbia, Europe. Of course there are elements of other mafias to, fact that I did not mention.
Serbian mafia is controlled by Serbian government, this is nothing new but I just want to make it clear how these protest are organised and who do they serve.
(Olf, 10 February 2009 12:18)
It's incorrect, the opposite is true. It was documented many times: even at the lowest level the mafia on the both sides is cooperating very actively. See the infamous "cheap" Kosovo-gasoline. On the highest level: Miskovic intents to open stores in Kosovo and is warmly welcomed by his counterparts. Such protests are a big disturbance to mafia on both sides, absolutely not in their interest.
No one mafiosi does fear EULEX either - it's not that tough to corrupt people working for EULEX. That's the "reality on the ground".
No you see the Turks where the only people the Serbs survieved to be occupied by and Germans under world war to but you had Albanians fighting for and aggainst the germans same was serbs. The only way Serbs survived the Turks without being converted to christianaty was moving out when turks came. Albanians stayed in their own lands. And yes your right Kosova has't been called that allways. Before the Serbs it was Dardania and its citizens Dardans. Just like Albania was called Illyria and it's people Illyrians. And no those Historiens are respected throughout the world that writes albanian history. yes but we dont read serbian enclopedya but the english, german and french ones. And the term Kosova for me we can change to Dardania whenever you want.
Albanian where before the Huns, Slavs and many more started invadeding Balkans lived up till Beograd and throught the Croatian coast Line read at least some History and not your own Serb propaganda.
(Dardania, 10 February 2009 16:28)
Celtic, Thracian, Illyrian and other tribes lived in the area. "Other" does also mean tribes speaking agglutinative language. You cannot claim inheritance from EVERY tribe in the area, only from SOME Thracian or/and Illyrian or/and Dacian/Valachian tribes. Much is still not clear and some linguistic/ethnographic research points rather to Thracian or Valachian origin of Albanians than to Illyrian. Neither is better or worse, all were locals for thousands of years in the area - but they weren't the same.
If you claim inheritance from every Illyrian/Thracian/Dacian/etc. tribe - it's like Hungarians would claim inheritance from every agglutinative-speaking tribe or Serbs from every Baltic-Slavonic tribe.
Than, Serbs would claim everything from western Anatolia (Hittites) till northern Balticum and Hungarians everything from Mesopotamia (Sumer) till Tokyo. Neither is more ridiculous than the full Balkan peninsula being "Albanian". Albanians can claim being descendants of certain few local tribes only, not everything in the universe. Otherwise even the numbers won't add up.
Did anyone know that George W Bush had approved the filming of all demonstrators of the Iraqi war in Washington DC? This reminds me when my father was secretly filmed by the Yugoslavian communist agents while demonstrating against Tito in Washington DC in the 70s.(My whole family paid a dear price for my father's participation) Senator Leahy from Vermont said that "we fought a revolution in this country so we could protest the actions of our government". Just one more fact and evidence of the progressing stages of dementia in George W Bush. So please don't be angry with Americans over Kosovo as you Serbs in Serbia can plainly see what "W" has done to the global economy, and America's image and standing in the world. Dementia can happen to any one of us and it's certainly not something to poke fun at
or to be ashamed of. However, Richard Holbrooke's "overbearing" ego is something definitely to be ashamed of and embarassed, especially knowing how passionately we in America abhor egomaniacs. Please read: Hillary Clinton on Managing one of the Legendary Egos of Washington. Protesting is a powerful tool in democratic societies. However, Nato and the EU are only democratic on paper but not in practice. I think the whole world (including many EU citizens) is getting the same clear picture about NATO and the EU. The more you demonstrate, the more they are exposed to the world for what they really are.
Maybe someone should send a copy of the 6 point plan to Mitrovica.
"International customs officers appointed in accordance with SC1244 will be reinstated at gates 1 & 31."
Nis, Novi Pazar, Kragujevac were Albanian BUT now are not. I dont know what will future bring.
If you bother google this "In 1336 Dushan invaded Northern Albania, and speedily appropriated the whole country except Durazzo."
WE were invaded for over 6 centuries, and I am now pleased that we are INDEPENDENT from foreign occupiers.
Even though late, it is great that justice finally prevailed.
SERBIAN HISTORY CHANGE (to bring it in line with TRUTH or at least to what International Historians think about this region) is a MEDICINE for peace and prosperity in the region.
Not that I want to discourage Serbs from protesting, but really, some of them protested for couple of weeks after Kosova pronounced it’s Independence and stopped after they find out that they are being used by Serbian mafia.
Serbian mafia is controlled by Serbian government, this is nothing new but I just want to make it clear how these protest are organised and who do they serve.
I also would like to ask EULEX to leave North Kosovo, for them to return a year after victoriously. This is simply because protest organisers/mafia are loosing the support of ordinary K-Serb and Serbian government are slowly telling K-Serbs to deal with their own issues.
Where do you get your fiction stories from? Yes yes at one time the whole world belonged to albans and you were the rulers of the universe....
(Ratko, 10 February 2009 15:22)
Dear Ratko,
Let me tell you where I get my 'fiction'.
My sources I get from international historians.
Please Read the following Journal(written in 1879) titled "Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland " PAGE 73 written by Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland, JSTOR (Organization) - Anthropology ....and you will find "In 1336 Dushan invaded Northern Albania, and speedily appropriated the whole
country except Durazzo..."
BETTER LATE THAN NEVER!!! we have let the illegal declaration of independence of the kosovo albanians happen, let the recognitions happen, let the US and its allies support it, let the EU support it as well in the form of EULEX, so now is the time for the SERBIAN authorities AND PEOPLE to show the world that SERBIANS have also a SAY in the goings-on in this tiny province of SERBIA.
Well mates Before 1336 the Albanians where Christians. When we where under the Roman Empire we got Christianised and then during Ottoman Empire some still where Christian but many turned to Islam because they didn't want to pay higher taxes. Albanian where before the Huns, Slavs and many more started invadeding Balkans lived up till Beograd and throught the Croatian coast Line read at least some History and not your own Serb propaganda.
My full support goes to the Serbians in KM. This EU mission needs to tread very carefully otherwise it could get very messy and destabilise the region.
Serbians are not going to put up with anything that impedes on the status neutrality they were mandated to enter. They will be boycotted and the functional partition will become deeper than ever.
Interference by any of the criminal elements in Pristina will surely inflame the situation. It is quite obvious that any provicial border control is completely unacceptable and the sooner this is realised the better.
So go ahead and make our day! Lets see whether the EU/US can mess this up even more.
Unfortunately, some still live with 1244 in their mind. It harms more Serbs than anything else. It keeps Serbia away from prosperity.
However, number of Serbs that are still with 1244 is the same as the number of JUL supporters in Serbia.
Kate
all security services, including Serbian one, tell of Serbian gov. involvment in mafia business, Kosovo, Serbia, Europe. Of course there are elements of other mafias to, fact that I did not mention.
PRN: "I am now pleased that we are INDEPENDENT from foreign occupiers."
Are you kidding? Kosovo is completely run by foreign occupiers. Your provincial goverment has no real power at all and nothing can be done without the UN's go-ahead. Rightly so under Res. 1244.
Olf: "Serbian mafia is controlled by Serbian government..."
You're hurling a lot of stones for someone who lives in a very flimsy glass house!
To PRN, if Serbs invaded your so-called Northern Albania in 1336 who built all those Serbian churches there prior to 1336?
How many times do we have to kill your version of history with simple facts like these before you accept the reality?
Aren't these the same guys that burned the border last year and still didn't achieve anything?
(laluc, 10 February 2009 14:30)
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You must be kidding? Since the burning of those border posts, goods have freely entered the province without any issue whatsoever. Even with the EU mission in place they are only monitoring goods, however, soon they will get the message that even that is not going to happen.
When the Albanians illegally declared independence, the provincial border was fully opened and it is going to stay that way - like it or not.
The independence camp is being blocked and resisted at every turn and this will continue until the message is clear. RIP Kosovo independence.
They are so right for protesting against EULEX. How dare EULEX walk over UN decisions and against rights of the Kosovo Serbs? I am afraid that all Serbs and from Kosovo and from elsewhere will have to actively help in here, with protests but also blockades of the border crossings and courts.They need help!
If they decide to throw one Moltov Cocktail the KP should arrest these persons. Maybe 15% or 20% of these protesters will be ex-KPS and MUP operatives.
No you see the Turks where the only people the Serbs survieved to be occupied by and Germans under world war to but you had Albanians fighting for and aggainst the germans same was serbs. The only way Serbs survived the Turks without being converted to christianaty was moving out when turks came. Albanians stayed in their own lands. And yes your right Kosova has't been called that allways. Before the Serbs it was Dardania and its citizens Dardans. Just like Albania was called Illyria and it's people Illyrians. And no those Historiens are respected throughout the world that writes albanian history. yes but we dont read serbian enclopedya but the english, german and french ones. And the term Kosova for me we can change to Dardania whenever you want.
Serbian mafia is controlled by Serbian government, this is nothing new but I just want to make it clear how these protest are organised and who do they serve.
(Olf, 10 February 2009 12:18)
It's incorrect, the opposite is true. It was documented many times: even at the lowest level the mafia on the both sides is cooperating very actively. See the infamous "cheap" Kosovo-gasoline. On the highest level: Miskovic intents to open stores in Kosovo and is warmly welcomed by his counterparts. Such protests are a big disturbance to mafia on both sides, absolutely not in their interest.
No one mafiosi does fear EULEX either - it's not that tough to corrupt people working for EULEX. That's the "reality on the ground".
Mass protests like this one are a reflection of what the will of the people is, not what a government is attempting to achieve. The fact of the matter is that these protests are a reflection of the unwillingness of the Serbian population to be governed by an Albanian run government in Kosovo. This will never change, and the sooner the Albanians realize it, the sooner they will be willing to sit down at the table again to discuss a real and long-lasting solution to this crisis. Also, don't forget that the whole world is watching this so called "democracy" developing, so all one can do is sit back and watch the protests. The Albanian's hands are tied, the protests will continue, and there is nothing Pristina can do about it. The situation will continue to destabilize and the area north of the Ibar will never be governed by Pristina. Good luck guys!
PRN & Dardania, nice try... but again no cigar. I know you would LIKE to believe that ALL of Europe was Albanian, but however you are sadly mistaken. Nobody cares to read about your unknown "historians". Everyone has a access to an encyclopedia these days and can easily look up for themselves. They don't have to take yours or in fact my own word for it. Its plain for any child to see. Even the name Kosovo is Serbian. Which is why Albanians are trying to call it Kosova now.
Trying to say that all the Serbian churches and monasteries in Kosovo are in fact Albanian because at some point Albanians use to be under the Romans is a new low, even for Albanians. Why are then these churches & monasteries Orthodox???? (which just so happens to be the religion of Serbs?) Why would "catholic" Albanians name their "monasteries" after Serbian saints? Its because they are not nor have they ever been Albanian. Up until 1950's Serbs were always the majority in Kosovo. Its a well known fact that Serbs lost 1/3 of its male population liberating itself from the Nazi and their allies in WW2. That coupled with Tito's open border policy with Albanian immigrants who wanted to flee to Serbia for a better life shifted the balance of population in the province of Kosovo. From then on, the Albanians (I wont call you Kosovar's since the term Kosovar was invented by the Western media only but a few short years ago to make it sound more believable that Albanians & Kosovars are different) have been following a policy of extreme ethnic cleansing (just look at the geographic makeup in Kosovo... 98% Albanian).
Its funny how you admit that Albanians use to be Christian but converted over to Islam because they had lower taxes. That's one of the differnces between Serbs and Albanians. You can't BUY a Serbs religion with money. You fought with the Germans twice because you "thought" they were more powerful, even though you and everyone knew they were doing evil. Well this time is no different. We are what we are, and history keeps repeating itself. Serbia will not sell its province for any price or promise, that you can be sure of... and in the end what everything is said and done, we will prevail just as we have every other time. Regardless of who is against or with us. They called us crazy and said we have no chance before. But everyone was wrong then, and they will be again. Kosovo & Serbia are bound by a higher power than any country or alliance... and that why we never sold out our religion.
Did anyone know that George W Bush had approved the filming of all demonstrators of the Iraqi war in Washington DC? This reminds me when my father was secretly filmed by the Yugoslavian communist agents while demonstrating against Tito in Washington DC in the 70s.(My whole family paid a dear price for my father's participation) Senator Leahy from Vermont said that "we fought a revolution in this country so we could protest the actions of our government". Just one more fact and evidence of the progressing stages of dementia in George W Bush. So please don't be angry with Americans over Kosovo as you Serbs in Serbia can plainly see what "W" has done to the global economy, and America's image and standing in the world. Dementia can happen to any one of us and it's certainly not something to poke fun at
or to be ashamed of. However, Richard Holbrooke's "overbearing" ego is something definitely to be ashamed of and embarassed, especially knowing how passionately we in America abhor egomaniacs. Please read: Hillary Clinton on Managing one of the Legendary Egos of Washington. Protesting is a powerful tool in democratic societies. However, Nato and the EU are only democratic on paper but not in practice. I think the whole world (including many EU citizens) is getting the same clear picture about NATO and the EU. The more you demonstrate, the more they are exposed to the world for what they really are.
Albanian where before the Huns, Slavs and many more started invadeding Balkans lived up till Beograd and throught the Croatian coast Line read at least some History and not your own Serb propaganda.
(Dardania, 10 February 2009 16:28)
Celtic, Thracian, Illyrian and other tribes lived in the area. "Other" does also mean tribes speaking agglutinative language. You cannot claim inheritance from EVERY tribe in the area, only from SOME Thracian or/and Illyrian or/and Dacian/Valachian tribes. Much is still not clear and some linguistic/ethnographic research points rather to Thracian or Valachian origin of Albanians than to Illyrian. Neither is better or worse, all were locals for thousands of years in the area - but they weren't the same.
If you claim inheritance from every Illyrian/Thracian/Dacian/etc. tribe - it's like Hungarians would claim inheritance from every agglutinative-speaking tribe or Serbs from every Baltic-Slavonic tribe.
Than, Serbs would claim everything from western Anatolia (Hittites) till northern Balticum and Hungarians everything from Mesopotamia (Sumer) till Tokyo. Neither is more ridiculous than the full Balkan peninsula being "Albanian". Albanians can claim being descendants of certain few local tribes only, not everything in the universe. Otherwise even the numbers won't add up.
Maybe someone should send a copy of the 6 point plan to Mitrovica.
"International customs officers appointed in accordance with SC1244 will be reinstated at gates 1 & 31."
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