The Kosovo minister says his ministry does not yet have official notification when international officials will come to Belgrade, but thinks it will be soon.
"lowe,
thanks for reprinting my entire post, most of the time the relevant facts get edited out by B92. It is nice to have everyone read it twice.
However you say I can twist the facts, but I am saying take what is said, you say lets interpret to the way we want it.
They did not say we are adotpting the 6 point plan.
(pss, 8 February 2009 14:46) "
pss,
on the contrary, it is not me but you who tried to interpret documents selectively.
As I have already said, the presidential statement welcoming Ban's report (which included the 6 points) is a summary statement of the UNSC accepting the report (which, I repeat, included the 6-points within its 23 pages). You are the one who chose to continue to ignore this reality, not me.
lowe,
thanks for reprinting my entire post, most of the time the relevant facts get edited out by B92. It is nice to have everyone read it twice.
However you say I can twist the facts, but I am saying take what is said, you say lets interpret to the way we want it.
They did not say we are adotpting the 6 point plan.
"The security council "welcomed" Ban's report-- big difference in adopting the 6 point plan. If this is a socalled adoption then the other things in the plan were also unanimously adopted such as the annex which says the 6 point plan is rejected by Kosovo authorities.
That the only persons who freedom of movement is an issue is the minority "Albanians" in the north.
Also if you notice the other article in B92
I don’t believe that it contains any orders. It’s a free decision what positions they’ll take. I don’t see it as a negotiating process. That’s a matter of Kosovo-Serbian relations which can develop in various ways,” said Zannier
Who by the way was the UN side of the 6 point plan.
Check the UN websites, erroneous news articles do not prove any such action.
Of course all this is mute in the fact that the crust of the 6 point plan is that discussions will take place. Serbia has said they will not discuss anything but status with Kosovar authorities which throws the 6 point plan out the window. I admit some of you were creative mixing several elements trying to weave a web of confusion but the facts are there. NO UN document shows anything more than the council "welcoming" a report. There was no endorsement, direction to implement, or adoption.
(pss, 7 February 2009 12:48)"
pss
your latest post shows just how little you know about UNSC procedures. The presidential statement is s SUMMARY statement. If you don't understand what is a summary, there are many dictionaries online available.
Anyone with common sense will not expect the UNSC president to go through the 23 pages of Ban's report on Kosovo in its entirety. The same applies to all other reports, whether it is about Kosovo or the Palestinians or the Congolese etc. He welcomed the report AFTER the UNSC agreed to adopt it unanimously (Yes, even your precious USA agreed to it!). And this positive assent is the UNSC practice of accepting a report.
And obviously you have not even read Ban's report itself which clearly listed the 6 points -- if this report is not a UN document, then pray tell us all what is a UN document????
And just to make my point clearer, there is also not a single UNSC resolution or report that remotely referred to Kosovo as a state. Kosovo remains officially a Serbian province via 1244. You can twist and turn all you like, but facts remain facts, however unpleasant they may be for you.
The security council "welcomed" Ban's report-- big difference in adopting the 6 point plan. If this is a socalled adoption then the other things in the plan were also unanimously adopted such as the annex which says the 6 point plan is rejected by Kosovo authorities.
That the only persons who freedom of movement is an issue is the minority "Albanians" in the north.
Also if you notice the other article in B92
I don’t believe that it contains any orders. It’s a free decision what positions they’ll take. I don’t see it as a negotiating process. That’s a matter of Kosovo-Serbian relations which can develop in various ways,” said Zannier
Who by the way was the UN side of the 6 point plan.
Check the UN websites, erroneous news articles do not prove any such action.
Of course all this is mute in the fact that the crust of the 6 point plan is that discussions will take place. Serbia has said they will not discuss anything but status with Kosovar authorities which throws the 6 point plan out the window. I admit some of you were creative mixing several elements trying to weave a web of confusion but the facts are there. NO UN document shows anything more than the council "welcoming" a report. There was no endorsement, direction to implement, or adoption.
pss claimed that the UNSC President statement "does not mention" Ban's 6 point plan. He conveniently forgot that this very same presidential statement WELCOMED Ban's report to the UNSC (UN reference S/PRST/2008/44) which contained the 6-point plan among other things. Ban's report to the UNSC can be viewed at http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/2008/692&Lang=E
where the 6-point plans were clearly laid out, particularly in Sections X and XI.
"Very nice try lowe, you can say all day but you cannot back it up with fact. I included links to the webcast and the presidential statement itself. Undeniable proof. I see you offer nothing to prove your point.
(pss, 6 February 2009 22:33)"
pss,
another futile try --your idea of "undeniable proof" was to give us a BROKEN (deliberate?) link to your so-called presidential statement -- Ban is the UN's Secretary-General by the way, not UN president!
Likewise your first link to a 10-minute webcast showed a mere INFORMAL comments by various parties to the media about Kosovo. You conveniently construed this to be "proof" that the UNSC did not agree on the 6-point plan. You really ought to be more honest in your posting!
For all readers, full details of the 6-point plan can be accessed through this link: http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/2008/692&Lang=E
And for UNSC approval of the 6-point plan, go to http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2008/11/27/feature-02
Ban Ki-Moons six point plan was adopted by the UN Security council - it was his six points which he decided upon since June and after futher consultion and clarification from Belgrade - local representatives in Pristina just didnt see it coming and walk straight into it!
If you need evidence then you really should read Ban ki-Moons report made in Nov which is there for all to see including Sediju and Thaci!
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N08/518/31/PDF/N0851831.pdf?OpenElement
It was adopted unanimoulsy by the UN SC (including the US and UK) on the 26th Nov but written up on the 24th Nov maybe thats why you failed to comprehend what has been adopted. Just to put you at ease the 6 points are very clearly adopted even by the US and UK and the report mentions;
EULEX under UN umbrella respecting 1244 and therefore status Neutral;
"23. The relationship of UNMIK with EULEX has evolved over the reporting period under the terms set forth in my special report to the Security Council on UNMIK of 12 June (S/2008/354). I expect EULEX to move forward with its deployment in the coming period and to assume responsibilities in the areas of policing, justice and customs, UNDER THE OVERALL AUTHORITY OF THE UNITED NATION,
under a United Nations umbrella headed by my Special Representative, and IN ACCORDANCE WITH RESOLUTION 1244(1999)
...
26. Discussions have been conducted reflecting my intentions as set out in my
report of 12 June 2008 to the Security Council on the United Nations Interim
Administration Mission in Kosovo (S/2008/354) on the basis of the STATUS-NEUTRAL
approach of the United Nations.
....
50. Following my instructions, my Special Representative and Head of UNMIK is
facilitating the European Union preparations to undertake an enhanced operational
role in Kosovo in the rule of law area. EULEX will fully respect Security Council
resolution 1244 (1999) and operate under the overall authority and within the statusneutral
framework of the United Nations. EULEX will submit reports to the United
Nations on a regular basis. The deployment of EULEX throughout Kosovo will be
carried out in close consultation with relevant stakeholders, taking into account the
specific circumstances and concerns of all communities, and will be coordinated
with UNMIK."
You should also read Ban Ki-moons earlier report on the 12th June to give more insight;
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N08/377/90/PDF/N0837790.pdf?OpenElement
The fact remains that UNMIK is the overall authority but has contracted out its duties to EULEX in the Albanian majority areas. All the while UNMIK remain the point of contact for Serb and non-Albanian majority areas while EULEX are now an intermidiary for the likes of Sediju and Thaci - an extra layer - hardly a sign of independent thought let alone independence!
Very nice try lowe, you can say all day but you cannot back it up with fact. I included links to the webcast and the presidential statement itself. Undeniable proof. I see you offer nothing to prove your point.
"It is entirely clear to us that the Albanians do not accept the six-point agreement, but that does not mean that the UN can shirk the obligation they took on in the agreement with us."
The truth is that Serbia frustrated the international community a lot by not accepting the EULEX as envisaged by President Ahtisari. Then enough is enough and UN said we "accept" Serbia's proposals just to give Serbia a bit of satisfaction. Now EULEX is in with Serbia "blessing" and the international community can continue and do its job as envisaged by President Ahtisari and ACCEPTED by Kosovar Albanians. I hope you understand.
Nice try but you are the one who really needed to be more informed about these 6 points.
If the 6-point plan didn't make life so pricky for Kosovo as you claimed, then why was Pristina so against its adoption by the UNSC? Yes, those 6-points were uanimously supported by the UNSC including the US. And it forms the basis under which the UN delegated authority to EU to send in EULEX.
Sure, Kosovo can continue to defy the UN. Just be prepared then to be locked out of this organisation indefinitely.
You would think that whoever Serbia set up as "minister of Kosovo" would know more facts about what is reality.
1. The UNSC never agreed on 6 point plan nor acted on it. It was only mentioned in discussion by a couple of members. follow link and watch webcast Nov 26.
http://www.un.org/webcast/2008.html
2. The presidential statement does not mention or even infer reference to the 6 point plan and definitely does not list any rights that Serbia may have on anything. follow link
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N08/622/50/PDF/N0862250.pdf?OpenElement
"It is entirely clear to us that the Albanians do not accept the six-point agreement, but that does not mean that the UN can shirk the obligation they took on in the agreement with us."
The truth is that Serbia frustrated the international community a lot by not accepting the EULEX as envisaged by President Ahtisari. Then enough is enough and UN said we "accept" Serbia's proposals just to give Serbia a bit of satisfaction. Now EULEX is in with Serbia "blessing" and the international community can continue and do its job as envisaged by President Ahtisari and ACCEPTED by Kosovar Albanians. I hope you understand.
You would think that whoever Serbia set up as "minister of Kosovo" would know more facts about what is reality.
1. The UNSC never agreed on 6 point plan nor acted on it. It was only mentioned in discussion by a couple of members. follow link and watch webcast Nov 26.
http://www.un.org/webcast/2008.html
2. The presidential statement does not mention or even infer reference to the 6 point plan and definitely does not list any rights that Serbia may have on anything. follow link
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N08/622/50/PDF/N0862250.pdf?OpenElement
Very nice try lowe, you can say all day but you cannot back it up with fact. I included links to the webcast and the presidential statement itself. Undeniable proof. I see you offer nothing to prove your point.
Nice try but you are the one who really needed to be more informed about these 6 points.
If the 6-point plan didn't make life so pricky for Kosovo as you claimed, then why was Pristina so against its adoption by the UNSC? Yes, those 6-points were uanimously supported by the UNSC including the US. And it forms the basis under which the UN delegated authority to EU to send in EULEX.
Sure, Kosovo can continue to defy the UN. Just be prepared then to be locked out of this organisation indefinitely.
Ban Ki-Moons six point plan was adopted by the UN Security council - it was his six points which he decided upon since June and after futher consultion and clarification from Belgrade - local representatives in Pristina just didnt see it coming and walk straight into it!
If you need evidence then you really should read Ban ki-Moons report made in Nov which is there for all to see including Sediju and Thaci!
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N08/518/31/PDF/N0851831.pdf?OpenElement
It was adopted unanimoulsy by the UN SC (including the US and UK) on the 26th Nov but written up on the 24th Nov maybe thats why you failed to comprehend what has been adopted. Just to put you at ease the 6 points are very clearly adopted even by the US and UK and the report mentions;
EULEX under UN umbrella respecting 1244 and therefore status Neutral;
"23. The relationship of UNMIK with EULEX has evolved over the reporting period under the terms set forth in my special report to the Security Council on UNMIK of 12 June (S/2008/354). I expect EULEX to move forward with its deployment in the coming period and to assume responsibilities in the areas of policing, justice and customs, UNDER THE OVERALL AUTHORITY OF THE UNITED NATION,
under a United Nations umbrella headed by my Special Representative, and IN ACCORDANCE WITH RESOLUTION 1244(1999)
...
26. Discussions have been conducted reflecting my intentions as set out in my
report of 12 June 2008 to the Security Council on the United Nations Interim
Administration Mission in Kosovo (S/2008/354) on the basis of the STATUS-NEUTRAL
approach of the United Nations.
....
50. Following my instructions, my Special Representative and Head of UNMIK is
facilitating the European Union preparations to undertake an enhanced operational
role in Kosovo in the rule of law area. EULEX will fully respect Security Council
resolution 1244 (1999) and operate under the overall authority and within the statusneutral
framework of the United Nations. EULEX will submit reports to the United
Nations on a regular basis. The deployment of EULEX throughout Kosovo will be
carried out in close consultation with relevant stakeholders, taking into account the
specific circumstances and concerns of all communities, and will be coordinated
with UNMIK."
You should also read Ban Ki-moons earlier report on the 12th June to give more insight;
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N08/377/90/PDF/N0837790.pdf?OpenElement
The fact remains that UNMIK is the overall authority but has contracted out its duties to EULEX in the Albanian majority areas. All the while UNMIK remain the point of contact for Serb and non-Albanian majority areas while EULEX are now an intermidiary for the likes of Sediju and Thaci - an extra layer - hardly a sign of independent thought let alone independence!
"Very nice try lowe, you can say all day but you cannot back it up with fact. I included links to the webcast and the presidential statement itself. Undeniable proof. I see you offer nothing to prove your point.
(pss, 6 February 2009 22:33)"
pss,
another futile try --your idea of "undeniable proof" was to give us a BROKEN (deliberate?) link to your so-called presidential statement -- Ban is the UN's Secretary-General by the way, not UN president!
Likewise your first link to a 10-minute webcast showed a mere INFORMAL comments by various parties to the media about Kosovo. You conveniently construed this to be "proof" that the UNSC did not agree on the 6-point plan. You really ought to be more honest in your posting!
For all readers, full details of the 6-point plan can be accessed through this link: http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/2008/692&Lang=E
And for UNSC approval of the 6-point plan, go to http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2008/11/27/feature-02
pss claimed that the UNSC President statement "does not mention" Ban's 6 point plan. He conveniently forgot that this very same presidential statement WELCOMED Ban's report to the UNSC (UN reference S/PRST/2008/44) which contained the 6-point plan among other things. Ban's report to the UNSC can be viewed at http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/2008/692&Lang=E
where the 6-point plans were clearly laid out, particularly in Sections X and XI.
"The security council "welcomed" Ban's report-- big difference in adopting the 6 point plan. If this is a socalled adoption then the other things in the plan were also unanimously adopted such as the annex which says the 6 point plan is rejected by Kosovo authorities.
That the only persons who freedom of movement is an issue is the minority "Albanians" in the north.
Also if you notice the other article in B92
I don’t believe that it contains any orders. It’s a free decision what positions they’ll take. I don’t see it as a negotiating process. That’s a matter of Kosovo-Serbian relations which can develop in various ways,” said Zannier
Who by the way was the UN side of the 6 point plan.
Check the UN websites, erroneous news articles do not prove any such action.
Of course all this is mute in the fact that the crust of the 6 point plan is that discussions will take place. Serbia has said they will not discuss anything but status with Kosovar authorities which throws the 6 point plan out the window. I admit some of you were creative mixing several elements trying to weave a web of confusion but the facts are there. NO UN document shows anything more than the council "welcoming" a report. There was no endorsement, direction to implement, or adoption.
(pss, 7 February 2009 12:48)"
pss
your latest post shows just how little you know about UNSC procedures. The presidential statement is s SUMMARY statement. If you don't understand what is a summary, there are many dictionaries online available.
Anyone with common sense will not expect the UNSC president to go through the 23 pages of Ban's report on Kosovo in its entirety. The same applies to all other reports, whether it is about Kosovo or the Palestinians or the Congolese etc. He welcomed the report AFTER the UNSC agreed to adopt it unanimously (Yes, even your precious USA agreed to it!). And this positive assent is the UNSC practice of accepting a report.
And obviously you have not even read Ban's report itself which clearly listed the 6 points -- if this report is not a UN document, then pray tell us all what is a UN document????
And just to make my point clearer, there is also not a single UNSC resolution or report that remotely referred to Kosovo as a state. Kosovo remains officially a Serbian province via 1244. You can twist and turn all you like, but facts remain facts, however unpleasant they may be for you.
"lowe,
thanks for reprinting my entire post, most of the time the relevant facts get edited out by B92. It is nice to have everyone read it twice.
However you say I can twist the facts, but I am saying take what is said, you say lets interpret to the way we want it.
They did not say we are adotpting the 6 point plan.
(pss, 8 February 2009 14:46) "
pss,
on the contrary, it is not me but you who tried to interpret documents selectively.
As I have already said, the presidential statement welcoming Ban's report (which included the 6 points) is a summary statement of the UNSC accepting the report (which, I repeat, included the 6-points within its 23 pages). You are the one who chose to continue to ignore this reality, not me.
The security council "welcomed" Ban's report-- big difference in adopting the 6 point plan. If this is a socalled adoption then the other things in the plan were also unanimously adopted such as the annex which says the 6 point plan is rejected by Kosovo authorities.
That the only persons who freedom of movement is an issue is the minority "Albanians" in the north.
Also if you notice the other article in B92
I don’t believe that it contains any orders. It’s a free decision what positions they’ll take. I don’t see it as a negotiating process. That’s a matter of Kosovo-Serbian relations which can develop in various ways,” said Zannier
Who by the way was the UN side of the 6 point plan.
Check the UN websites, erroneous news articles do not prove any such action.
Of course all this is mute in the fact that the crust of the 6 point plan is that discussions will take place. Serbia has said they will not discuss anything but status with Kosovar authorities which throws the 6 point plan out the window. I admit some of you were creative mixing several elements trying to weave a web of confusion but the facts are there. NO UN document shows anything more than the council "welcoming" a report. There was no endorsement, direction to implement, or adoption.
lowe,
thanks for reprinting my entire post, most of the time the relevant facts get edited out by B92. It is nice to have everyone read it twice.
However you say I can twist the facts, but I am saying take what is said, you say lets interpret to the way we want it.
They did not say we are adotpting the 6 point plan.
"It is entirely clear to us that the Albanians do not accept the six-point agreement, but that does not mean that the UN can shirk the obligation they took on in the agreement with us."
The truth is that Serbia frustrated the international community a lot by not accepting the EULEX as envisaged by President Ahtisari. Then enough is enough and UN said we "accept" Serbia's proposals just to give Serbia a bit of satisfaction. Now EULEX is in with Serbia "blessing" and the international community can continue and do its job as envisaged by President Ahtisari and ACCEPTED by Kosovar Albanians. I hope you understand.
Nice try but you are the one who really needed to be more informed about these 6 points.
If the 6-point plan didn't make life so pricky for Kosovo as you claimed, then why was Pristina so against its adoption by the UNSC? Yes, those 6-points were uanimously supported by the UNSC including the US. And it forms the basis under which the UN delegated authority to EU to send in EULEX.
Sure, Kosovo can continue to defy the UN. Just be prepared then to be locked out of this organisation indefinitely.
You would think that whoever Serbia set up as "minister of Kosovo" would know more facts about what is reality.
1. The UNSC never agreed on 6 point plan nor acted on it. It was only mentioned in discussion by a couple of members. follow link and watch webcast Nov 26.
http://www.un.org/webcast/2008.html
2. The presidential statement does not mention or even infer reference to the 6 point plan and definitely does not list any rights that Serbia may have on anything. follow link
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N08/622/50/PDF/N0862250.pdf?OpenElement
Very nice try lowe, you can say all day but you cannot back it up with fact. I included links to the webcast and the presidential statement itself. Undeniable proof. I see you offer nothing to prove your point.
The security council "welcomed" Ban's report-- big difference in adopting the 6 point plan. If this is a socalled adoption then the other things in the plan were also unanimously adopted such as the annex which says the 6 point plan is rejected by Kosovo authorities.
That the only persons who freedom of movement is an issue is the minority "Albanians" in the north.
Also if you notice the other article in B92
I don’t believe that it contains any orders. It’s a free decision what positions they’ll take. I don’t see it as a negotiating process. That’s a matter of Kosovo-Serbian relations which can develop in various ways,” said Zannier
Who by the way was the UN side of the 6 point plan.
Check the UN websites, erroneous news articles do not prove any such action.
Of course all this is mute in the fact that the crust of the 6 point plan is that discussions will take place. Serbia has said they will not discuss anything but status with Kosovar authorities which throws the 6 point plan out the window. I admit some of you were creative mixing several elements trying to weave a web of confusion but the facts are there. NO UN document shows anything more than the council "welcoming" a report. There was no endorsement, direction to implement, or adoption.
lowe,
thanks for reprinting my entire post, most of the time the relevant facts get edited out by B92. It is nice to have everyone read it twice.
However you say I can twist the facts, but I am saying take what is said, you say lets interpret to the way we want it.
They did not say we are adotpting the 6 point plan.
Ban Ki-Moons six point plan was adopted by the UN Security council - it was his six points which he decided upon since June and after futher consultion and clarification from Belgrade - local representatives in Pristina just didnt see it coming and walk straight into it!
If you need evidence then you really should read Ban ki-Moons report made in Nov which is there for all to see including Sediju and Thaci!
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N08/518/31/PDF/N0851831.pdf?OpenElement
It was adopted unanimoulsy by the UN SC (including the US and UK) on the 26th Nov but written up on the 24th Nov maybe thats why you failed to comprehend what has been adopted. Just to put you at ease the 6 points are very clearly adopted even by the US and UK and the report mentions;
EULEX under UN umbrella respecting 1244 and therefore status Neutral;
"23. The relationship of UNMIK with EULEX has evolved over the reporting period under the terms set forth in my special report to the Security Council on UNMIK of 12 June (S/2008/354). I expect EULEX to move forward with its deployment in the coming period and to assume responsibilities in the areas of policing, justice and customs, UNDER THE OVERALL AUTHORITY OF THE UNITED NATION,
under a United Nations umbrella headed by my Special Representative, and IN ACCORDANCE WITH RESOLUTION 1244(1999)
...
26. Discussions have been conducted reflecting my intentions as set out in my
report of 12 June 2008 to the Security Council on the United Nations Interim
Administration Mission in Kosovo (S/2008/354) on the basis of the STATUS-NEUTRAL
approach of the United Nations.
....
50. Following my instructions, my Special Representative and Head of UNMIK is
facilitating the European Union preparations to undertake an enhanced operational
role in Kosovo in the rule of law area. EULEX will fully respect Security Council
resolution 1244 (1999) and operate under the overall authority and within the statusneutral
framework of the United Nations. EULEX will submit reports to the United
Nations on a regular basis. The deployment of EULEX throughout Kosovo will be
carried out in close consultation with relevant stakeholders, taking into account the
specific circumstances and concerns of all communities, and will be coordinated
with UNMIK."
You should also read Ban Ki-moons earlier report on the 12th June to give more insight;
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N08/377/90/PDF/N0837790.pdf?OpenElement
The fact remains that UNMIK is the overall authority but has contracted out its duties to EULEX in the Albanian majority areas. All the while UNMIK remain the point of contact for Serb and non-Albanian majority areas while EULEX are now an intermidiary for the likes of Sediju and Thaci - an extra layer - hardly a sign of independent thought let alone independence!
"Very nice try lowe, you can say all day but you cannot back it up with fact. I included links to the webcast and the presidential statement itself. Undeniable proof. I see you offer nothing to prove your point.
(pss, 6 February 2009 22:33)"
pss,
another futile try --your idea of "undeniable proof" was to give us a BROKEN (deliberate?) link to your so-called presidential statement -- Ban is the UN's Secretary-General by the way, not UN president!
Likewise your first link to a 10-minute webcast showed a mere INFORMAL comments by various parties to the media about Kosovo. You conveniently construed this to be "proof" that the UNSC did not agree on the 6-point plan. You really ought to be more honest in your posting!
For all readers, full details of the 6-point plan can be accessed through this link: http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/2008/692&Lang=E
And for UNSC approval of the 6-point plan, go to http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2008/11/27/feature-02
pss claimed that the UNSC President statement "does not mention" Ban's 6 point plan. He conveniently forgot that this very same presidential statement WELCOMED Ban's report to the UNSC (UN reference S/PRST/2008/44) which contained the 6-point plan among other things. Ban's report to the UNSC can be viewed at http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/2008/692&Lang=E
where the 6-point plans were clearly laid out, particularly in Sections X and XI.
"The security council "welcomed" Ban's report-- big difference in adopting the 6 point plan. If this is a socalled adoption then the other things in the plan were also unanimously adopted such as the annex which says the 6 point plan is rejected by Kosovo authorities.
That the only persons who freedom of movement is an issue is the minority "Albanians" in the north.
Also if you notice the other article in B92
I don’t believe that it contains any orders. It’s a free decision what positions they’ll take. I don’t see it as a negotiating process. That’s a matter of Kosovo-Serbian relations which can develop in various ways,” said Zannier
Who by the way was the UN side of the 6 point plan.
Check the UN websites, erroneous news articles do not prove any such action.
Of course all this is mute in the fact that the crust of the 6 point plan is that discussions will take place. Serbia has said they will not discuss anything but status with Kosovar authorities which throws the 6 point plan out the window. I admit some of you were creative mixing several elements trying to weave a web of confusion but the facts are there. NO UN document shows anything more than the council "welcoming" a report. There was no endorsement, direction to implement, or adoption.
(pss, 7 February 2009 12:48)"
pss
your latest post shows just how little you know about UNSC procedures. The presidential statement is s SUMMARY statement. If you don't understand what is a summary, there are many dictionaries online available.
Anyone with common sense will not expect the UNSC president to go through the 23 pages of Ban's report on Kosovo in its entirety. The same applies to all other reports, whether it is about Kosovo or the Palestinians or the Congolese etc. He welcomed the report AFTER the UNSC agreed to adopt it unanimously (Yes, even your precious USA agreed to it!). And this positive assent is the UNSC practice of accepting a report.
And obviously you have not even read Ban's report itself which clearly listed the 6 points -- if this report is not a UN document, then pray tell us all what is a UN document????
And just to make my point clearer, there is also not a single UNSC resolution or report that remotely referred to Kosovo as a state. Kosovo remains officially a Serbian province via 1244. You can twist and turn all you like, but facts remain facts, however unpleasant they may be for you.
"lowe,
thanks for reprinting my entire post, most of the time the relevant facts get edited out by B92. It is nice to have everyone read it twice.
However you say I can twist the facts, but I am saying take what is said, you say lets interpret to the way we want it.
They did not say we are adotpting the 6 point plan.
(pss, 8 February 2009 14:46) "
pss,
on the contrary, it is not me but you who tried to interpret documents selectively.
As I have already said, the presidential statement welcoming Ban's report (which included the 6 points) is a summary statement of the UNSC accepting the report (which, I repeat, included the 6-points within its 23 pages). You are the one who chose to continue to ignore this reality, not me.
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