EP to adopt Kosovo resolution on Thursday

Tadic, don't even bother campaigning for next election.

The only thing successful about Kosovo, is that more Serbs have been eradicated.

When will the internationals leave so that Serbia can get back to business.

Question: Does Serbia intend to get Kosovo back under its control or has it given up on the possibility?

The the article suggests EULEX will last a couple of years and then Kosovo will govern itself. So when does 1244 come to an end?

Does the end of 1244 (defacto or UN approved) mean that Serbia is legally clear to reoccupy its own province?

Does Serbia have a plan?

Rick, beautifully said.

Notice that Doris Pack still refers to the Ahtisari plan even though it is dead. These Eurocrats are so clueless, so lost, so immoral, that it boggles the mind.
A 'multiethnic' university in Kosovo?? Just how will that work when anyone who speaks Serbian is attacked by albanian mobs for simply speaking their language?? I guess they plan on having military escorts for Serbian professors and students in and out of class, to the cafeteria, to and from their dorms/homes? The whole thing is one big sick joke. The EU's behaviour with regards to Kosovo is a big blot of shame on their faces.
Stay the course and never give in Serbia, our time will soon come to put things right.

Cheers!!

Even when EULEX has only a mandate for 2 years 1244 is still valid.

So the problem remains!

Stop wasting time and go for real negotiations!

By the way: I can't see how Spain, Slovakia, Greece and Rumania will ever accept this...

Doris Pack, as well as the entire EU mentality, is disgusting. They don't care one bit about the Serbian nation, or about peace and stability in the Western Balkans- only what the EU agenda calls for. And what they want is for Serbia to accept Kosovo's UDI before they would even consider Serbia for EU membership. The EU is wrong in their stance, and they didn't realize that tearing Kosovo away from Serbia was going to be that difficult- even after they were able to manipulate Tadic to "win" last May's election. The EU is like a rabid dog who will not let go of their victim. Leave Serbia alone, and let us live in peace. Serbia has never been an aggressor nation- unlike Germany (read "EU"), and it has a longer and richer history than most EU countries. Stay the course, "Majka Srbija".

kosovo and Vojvodina should be independent based on Wilsonian Principals of Self Dtermination
(RobinOwens, 4 February 2009 18:11)

-- As should northern Kosovo, RS, Presevo, Northern Epiros, Herceg Novi, Hercegovina, Strpce, and Dragas.

You agree to my addenda, I'll support yours.

So basically we can expect the EU to to a lot of self-patting for a job that it thinks its doing, but ethnic and social divisions not only remain, but have widened in Kosovo since last year.

Does anyone here honestly think this multiethnic university envisioned by armchair diplomats is really going to work? I mean it sounds wonderful, but we're not exactly talking about two societies with superficial differences. I have a feeling that all these grand institutional projects may fall short due to cultural incongruency.

Typical comments by an arrogant EU politician!!! The question is whether the EU will be in existence in 2 years time!!! many ordinary citizens in the UK HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THESE IDIOTS! They say it as they wish it was not based on law or reality, they can puff and shout as much as they like most people have had enough of them Good luck Serbia.

kosovo and Vojvodina should be independent based on Wilsonian Principals of Self Dtermination

will somebody from serbian officials please bring this ministers to zubin potok, zvecan, north mitrovica, leposavic, gracanica, strecpe and see with their own eyes what is the famous phrase "REALITY ON THE GROUND" being used so many times in the political arena mean to themselves in actual? because it seems only a second hand or maybe thrid hand reports or maybe sanitized reports are reaching these people. its all katastropa in kosovo. GOD HELP US!!!

When will the internationals leave so that Serbia can get back to business.
(Another Canadian Serb, 4 February 2009 12:14)

And what would that business be Another Canadian Serb?
Finishing the job that Milosevic and many of his predecessors tried?

"I think it is time for serbia to stop bullying and leave kosova alone. Haven't they done enough harm to kosova but now are trying with all their might to prevent the poorest country in Europe from developing and progressing."

Mr Q, do you know anything about the history of this conflict? That is one of the most ill informed comments that I have ever read on here. You basically just said "Serbia, please leave those poor people alone. They didn't do anything to you." Do you realize that Albanians crossed over the border and just basically took over a section of Serbia? I won't argue that Milosevic didn't over-step human decency, but please don't try to say that ethnic Albanians in Kosovo are just victims entitled to free land and did nothing wrong. They staged a revolt! You can't just walk into a country and say "We are a majority now, give us your land!" What Milosevic did was wrong, but you can't punish an entire country forever because of it. Should we break up Germany and Austria now and give it all away because of one idiot? Maybe we should just give Belgrade back to the Turks. After all, they took it over by force many times over hundreds of years.....

EULEX with a 2 year mandate?

“MEPs encourage Serbia to offer further evidence of these constructive steps, which coincide with its aspirations to join the EU.”

Serbian public opinion on joining the EU is now down to 61% and dropping fast, nearly a 10% decline in a short time. Add recognizing Kosovo as a condition, and 70% oppose it.

Eliminate the economic benefits of joining the EU because of the Global Depression and I think you’ll see the EU dropped like a hot potato very soon.

I really like Tadic, he’s tried very hard to build bridges with the entire world, both East and West, as it should be. Too bad the EU didn’t live up to any of their promises to him.

The EU claims to support democracy, I hope they live up to their promises when a non-EU party comes to power in Serbia.

@ Rick
Rick wrote:"Serbia has never been an aggressor nation..."

where have you been for the last 20 years? why do you think the Hague tribunal and the Euopean jails are full of Serbian politicians? Because they are the most peacefull nation?! Or maybe the whole world are on a conspiracy against Serbia???

Doris Pack, so clearly impressed by all things made USA, lamenting about EU not being USA! Wrong marketing try - very many people within EU are truly fed up with that union as it is already: why to wish for something even worse?
And the idea of forming multi-ethnic university in central Kosovo so the students of different ethnicity will have opportunity to study together, must be coming from the hearts of those students. It reminds me of the total fiasco of USA educational plan to bring the students of Hispanic and African-American poor neighborhoods closer to their white well to do counterparts. Poor kids were schlepped daily back and forth to those "better" schools in "better" neighborhoods. The result of the experiment? What started with so much and loud fanfare ended pretty soon in pretty much of silence.
And, you know,if a diplomat doesn't know to cook, that doesn't mean the people will eat the junk food he/she offers.

Based on the comments here, Serbs really have no idea about what the story of Kosovo really is.

They are prepared to take into considerion the most stupid conspirative theories of Eu, USa and the World against Serbia, but they are still not capable of considering the truth.

And the truth is simple: Kosovo deserves its independence. Kosov is far, FAR better off now than under Serbian rule.

for Dragan:

Serbia will be isolated if she does not join the EU. There is no alternative to the EU.

About #2

The only thing successful about Kosovo, is that more Serbs have been eradicated.

When will the internationals leave so that Serbia can get back to business.
(Another Canadian Serb, 4 February 2009 12:14)

By "Serbia getting back in business", do you mean the sort of business it did before (in Kosovo)?

I think it is time for serbia to stop bullying and leave kosova alone. Haven't they done enough harm to kosova but now are trying with all their might to prevent the poorest country in Europe from developing and progressing. Well done to Kosova as they have shown the whole world that they can make a civilised and mutiethnic country. It is Serbia that is manipulating Kosovar Serbs for it's political and ideological aims of having as much territory as it possibly can after the break up of Yugoslavia. I genuinly feel sorry for Kosovar Serbs and the way they are treated by so called mother land. Milosevic's war is over and there is no point in trying to win in paece what was lost in war. Kosova has unfortunately got a very long and hard way ahead but will become fully fledged independent and internationally recognized country. I hope, Serbia will come to terms with the fact that Kosova is a neighbour countery and together with Kosovar government to help it's people to lead a normal life. Nationalizm has never solevd any problem and never will. Kosova has swallowed its pride and decided to have a multi ethnic state giving the 6% of the population (Serbs) equal rights as the rest of the country over 90% Albanians. Europe is not going to collapse in 2 years and Europe is an old democracy and respect the views of everybody but in the end both serbia and Kosova are going to be part of it. I dream of the day when I am going to write here and together with Serbs and others that post in hare laugh about our own naive comments and feel ashamed of the fact how we are badmouthing each other. Hope one day Ballkan hatered will disappear and we'll all be Europians.

"will end as soon as Kosovo's government gains enough experience to ensure the activities of a legal state for all members of its society"
Any question as to what the goal of EULEX (with Serbian blessing) truly is???

I think I have come to the conclusion that all these politicians are clueless and do not have either side's interests at heart, especially the EU. They both acknowledge Kosovo's independence and at the same time stroke Belgrade & skip over the fact that the ICJ has the legality of the declaration pending. There is an old saying "Too many cooks spoil the broth". Maybe we should just have a 3 month moratorium on the publishing of all opinions in the press. Really, when was the last time the press did us all any good?

kosovo and Vojvodina should be independent based on Wilsonian Principals of Self Dtermination
(RobinOwens, 4 February 2009 18:11)

Kosovo IS independent Mr. Owens.
I guess the comments made by the Serbian posters made you think the opposite.

for Rick:

Without the EU, Serbia has no future. The people of Serbia should realize that there is no alternative to the EU.

I know everybody who believes in the law and justice is upset after reading extracts from life according to Doris Pack. But she doesn't speak for everyone in the EU. She is merely reflecting the special relationship Germany has with anyone in the region who isn't Serbian it goes back a long time, covering at least two World Wars. I'm sure she remembers how Albanians and Germans worked closely together in the forties to clean up the Kosovan countryside.

Doris is a lovely person I am sure. Go Doris. Go Germany.

Lets see what happens and then react.

logic,
It is ironic that you mention the busing of students in USA. I don't think it was the best method, but it showed a commitment of the US govt to bring equality to the racial mixture of America. Was it successful--what is the race of the president we just innaugarated.
If you took a survey in Serbia if it is possible that an Albanian or Roma, etc could one day be President of Serbia I think it would probably be close to 100% no. IN 1950 if you took a survey and ask if it would be possible for a black man to be president in the US it would have been close to 100% no.
If there is no effort to bring the people together the ethnic divisions in the balkans will remain forever.
The sad thing is that most posters here (both sides) think that is a good thing.

Mike, comment#20:

You forgot one, southern Epirus...

To Mircea! It could be amazing to see Romania a few years ago under dillema: EU or Transylvania? Do you need such a future Mircea? The old romanian proverb sounds: The silence is priceless(gold). Don't mess in other's business.The problem is that the albanians were let in and now with the help of such kind people as you are , they've stollen the heart of that country! Shame to EU and to those who think that the money covers anything!

"To Mircea! It could be amazing to see Romania a few years ago under dillema: EU or Transylvania?"
Well, Serge, i suppose you know that Transylvania is not an UN-territory. We had no Milosevici who lost several wars!

Patrik wrote:

"Do you realize that Albanians crossed over the border and just basically took over a section of Serbia"?

No, we don't realize it, because we never did it. We can't realize things that never happened. We realize that there were huge waves of ethnic cleansing of Albanians in the '30s and after WWII, in the 50s'. In Turkey there are hundreds of thousands of K-Albanians whose families left Kosovo and Central/Western Macedonia by that time.

Please come up with real facts, if you want to be taken seriously.

You forgot one, southern Epirus...
(Bill, 5 February 2009 00:39)

Gets a bit complicated when two sides compete over the same piece of land, doesn't it?

@#20

You forgot Chameria...but, no worries! One thing at a time!

Don't forget: In the land of the blind, an one-eyed man is a king.

The only thing successful about Kosovo, is that more Serbs have been eradicated.

When will the internationals leave so that Serbia can get back to business.

kosovo and Vojvodina should be independent based on Wilsonian Principals of Self Dtermination

for Rick:

Without the EU, Serbia has no future. The people of Serbia should realize that there is no alternative to the EU.

Even when EULEX has only a mandate for 2 years 1244 is still valid.

So the problem remains!

Stop wasting time and go for real negotiations!

By the way: I can't see how Spain, Slovakia, Greece and Rumania will ever accept this...

"I think it is time for serbia to stop bullying and leave kosova alone. Haven't they done enough harm to kosova but now are trying with all their might to prevent the poorest country in Europe from developing and progressing."

Mr Q, do you know anything about the history of this conflict? That is one of the most ill informed comments that I have ever read on here. You basically just said "Serbia, please leave those poor people alone. They didn't do anything to you." Do you realize that Albanians crossed over the border and just basically took over a section of Serbia? I won't argue that Milosevic didn't over-step human decency, but please don't try to say that ethnic Albanians in Kosovo are just victims entitled to free land and did nothing wrong. They staged a revolt! You can't just walk into a country and say "We are a majority now, give us your land!" What Milosevic did was wrong, but you can't punish an entire country forever because of it. Should we break up Germany and Austria now and give it all away because of one idiot? Maybe we should just give Belgrade back to the Turks. After all, they took it over by force many times over hundreds of years.....

Tadic, don't even bother campaigning for next election.

for Dragan:

Serbia will be isolated if she does not join the EU. There is no alternative to the EU.

Typical comments by an arrogant EU politician!!! The question is whether the EU will be in existence in 2 years time!!! many ordinary citizens in the UK HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THESE IDIOTS! They say it as they wish it was not based on law or reality, they can puff and shout as much as they like most people have had enough of them Good luck Serbia.

Doris Pack, as well as the entire EU mentality, is disgusting. They don't care one bit about the Serbian nation, or about peace and stability in the Western Balkans- only what the EU agenda calls for. And what they want is for Serbia to accept Kosovo's UDI before they would even consider Serbia for EU membership. The EU is wrong in their stance, and they didn't realize that tearing Kosovo away from Serbia was going to be that difficult- even after they were able to manipulate Tadic to "win" last May's election. The EU is like a rabid dog who will not let go of their victim. Leave Serbia alone, and let us live in peace. Serbia has never been an aggressor nation- unlike Germany (read "EU"), and it has a longer and richer history than most EU countries. Stay the course, "Majka Srbija".

Question: Does Serbia intend to get Kosovo back under its control or has it given up on the possibility?

The the article suggests EULEX will last a couple of years and then Kosovo will govern itself. So when does 1244 come to an end?

Does the end of 1244 (defacto or UN approved) mean that Serbia is legally clear to reoccupy its own province?

Does Serbia have a plan?

When will the internationals leave so that Serbia can get back to business.
(Another Canadian Serb, 4 February 2009 12:14)

And what would that business be Another Canadian Serb?
Finishing the job that Milosevic and many of his predecessors tried?

Based on the comments here, Serbs really have no idea about what the story of Kosovo really is.

They are prepared to take into considerion the most stupid conspirative theories of Eu, USa and the World against Serbia, but they are still not capable of considering the truth.

And the truth is simple: Kosovo deserves its independence. Kosov is far, FAR better off now than under Serbian rule.

kosovo and Vojvodina should be independent based on Wilsonian Principals of Self Dtermination
(RobinOwens, 4 February 2009 18:11)

Kosovo IS independent Mr. Owens.
I guess the comments made by the Serbian posters made you think the opposite.

About #2

The only thing successful about Kosovo, is that more Serbs have been eradicated.

When will the internationals leave so that Serbia can get back to business.
(Another Canadian Serb, 4 February 2009 12:14)

By "Serbia getting back in business", do you mean the sort of business it did before (in Kosovo)?

I think it is time for serbia to stop bullying and leave kosova alone. Haven't they done enough harm to kosova but now are trying with all their might to prevent the poorest country in Europe from developing and progressing. Well done to Kosova as they have shown the whole world that they can make a civilised and mutiethnic country. It is Serbia that is manipulating Kosovar Serbs for it's political and ideological aims of having as much territory as it possibly can after the break up of Yugoslavia. I genuinly feel sorry for Kosovar Serbs and the way they are treated by so called mother land. Milosevic's war is over and there is no point in trying to win in paece what was lost in war. Kosova has unfortunately got a very long and hard way ahead but will become fully fledged independent and internationally recognized country. I hope, Serbia will come to terms with the fact that Kosova is a neighbour countery and together with Kosovar government to help it's people to lead a normal life. Nationalizm has never solevd any problem and never will. Kosova has swallowed its pride and decided to have a multi ethnic state giving the 6% of the population (Serbs) equal rights as the rest of the country over 90% Albanians. Europe is not going to collapse in 2 years and Europe is an old democracy and respect the views of everybody but in the end both serbia and Kosova are going to be part of it. I dream of the day when I am going to write here and together with Serbs and others that post in hare laugh about our own naive comments and feel ashamed of the fact how we are badmouthing each other. Hope one day Ballkan hatered will disappear and we'll all be Europians.

@ Rick
Rick wrote:"Serbia has never been an aggressor nation..."

where have you been for the last 20 years? why do you think the Hague tribunal and the Euopean jails are full of Serbian politicians? Because they are the most peacefull nation?! Or maybe the whole world are on a conspiracy against Serbia???

will somebody from serbian officials please bring this ministers to zubin potok, zvecan, north mitrovica, leposavic, gracanica, strecpe and see with their own eyes what is the famous phrase "REALITY ON THE GROUND" being used so many times in the political arena mean to themselves in actual? because it seems only a second hand or maybe thrid hand reports or maybe sanitized reports are reaching these people. its all katastropa in kosovo. GOD HELP US!!!

Rick, beautifully said.

Notice that Doris Pack still refers to the Ahtisari plan even though it is dead. These Eurocrats are so clueless, so lost, so immoral, that it boggles the mind.
A 'multiethnic' university in Kosovo?? Just how will that work when anyone who speaks Serbian is attacked by albanian mobs for simply speaking their language?? I guess they plan on having military escorts for Serbian professors and students in and out of class, to the cafeteria, to and from their dorms/homes? The whole thing is one big sick joke. The EU's behaviour with regards to Kosovo is a big blot of shame on their faces.
Stay the course and never give in Serbia, our time will soon come to put things right.

Cheers!!

kosovo and Vojvodina should be independent based on Wilsonian Principals of Self Dtermination
(RobinOwens, 4 February 2009 18:11)

-- As should northern Kosovo, RS, Presevo, Northern Epiros, Herceg Novi, Hercegovina, Strpce, and Dragas.

You agree to my addenda, I'll support yours.

EULEX with a 2 year mandate?

“MEPs encourage Serbia to offer further evidence of these constructive steps, which coincide with its aspirations to join the EU.”

Serbian public opinion on joining the EU is now down to 61% and dropping fast, nearly a 10% decline in a short time. Add recognizing Kosovo as a condition, and 70% oppose it.

Eliminate the economic benefits of joining the EU because of the Global Depression and I think you’ll see the EU dropped like a hot potato very soon.

I really like Tadic, he’s tried very hard to build bridges with the entire world, both East and West, as it should be. Too bad the EU didn’t live up to any of their promises to him.

The EU claims to support democracy, I hope they live up to their promises when a non-EU party comes to power in Serbia.

logic,
It is ironic that you mention the busing of students in USA. I don't think it was the best method, but it showed a commitment of the US govt to bring equality to the racial mixture of America. Was it successful--what is the race of the president we just innaugarated.
If you took a survey in Serbia if it is possible that an Albanian or Roma, etc could one day be President of Serbia I think it would probably be close to 100% no. IN 1950 if you took a survey and ask if it would be possible for a black man to be president in the US it would have been close to 100% no.
If there is no effort to bring the people together the ethnic divisions in the balkans will remain forever.
The sad thing is that most posters here (both sides) think that is a good thing.

"will end as soon as Kosovo's government gains enough experience to ensure the activities of a legal state for all members of its society"
Any question as to what the goal of EULEX (with Serbian blessing) truly is???

So basically we can expect the EU to to a lot of self-patting for a job that it thinks its doing, but ethnic and social divisions not only remain, but have widened in Kosovo since last year.

Does anyone here honestly think this multiethnic university envisioned by armchair diplomats is really going to work? I mean it sounds wonderful, but we're not exactly talking about two societies with superficial differences. I have a feeling that all these grand institutional projects may fall short due to cultural incongruency.

I know everybody who believes in the law and justice is upset after reading extracts from life according to Doris Pack. But she doesn't speak for everyone in the EU. She is merely reflecting the special relationship Germany has with anyone in the region who isn't Serbian it goes back a long time, covering at least two World Wars. I'm sure she remembers how Albanians and Germans worked closely together in the forties to clean up the Kosovan countryside.

Doris is a lovely person I am sure. Go Doris. Go Germany.

Lets see what happens and then react.

I think I have come to the conclusion that all these politicians are clueless and do not have either side's interests at heart, especially the EU. They both acknowledge Kosovo's independence and at the same time stroke Belgrade & skip over the fact that the ICJ has the legality of the declaration pending. There is an old saying "Too many cooks spoil the broth". Maybe we should just have a 3 month moratorium on the publishing of all opinions in the press. Really, when was the last time the press did us all any good?

"To Mircea! It could be amazing to see Romania a few years ago under dillema: EU or Transylvania?"
Well, Serge, i suppose you know that Transylvania is not an UN-territory. We had no Milosevici who lost several wars!

Doris Pack, so clearly impressed by all things made USA, lamenting about EU not being USA! Wrong marketing try - very many people within EU are truly fed up with that union as it is already: why to wish for something even worse?
And the idea of forming multi-ethnic university in central Kosovo so the students of different ethnicity will have opportunity to study together, must be coming from the hearts of those students. It reminds me of the total fiasco of USA educational plan to bring the students of Hispanic and African-American poor neighborhoods closer to their white well to do counterparts. Poor kids were schlepped daily back and forth to those "better" schools in "better" neighborhoods. The result of the experiment? What started with so much and loud fanfare ended pretty soon in pretty much of silence.
And, you know,if a diplomat doesn't know to cook, that doesn't mean the people will eat the junk food he/she offers.

Mike, comment#20:

You forgot one, southern Epirus...

Patrik wrote:

"Do you realize that Albanians crossed over the border and just basically took over a section of Serbia"?

No, we don't realize it, because we never did it. We can't realize things that never happened. We realize that there were huge waves of ethnic cleansing of Albanians in the '30s and after WWII, in the 50s'. In Turkey there are hundreds of thousands of K-Albanians whose families left Kosovo and Central/Western Macedonia by that time.

Please come up with real facts, if you want to be taken seriously.

@#20

You forgot Chameria...but, no worries! One thing at a time!

Don't forget: In the land of the blind, an one-eyed man is a king.

To Mircea! It could be amazing to see Romania a few years ago under dillema: EU or Transylvania? Do you need such a future Mircea? The old romanian proverb sounds: The silence is priceless(gold). Don't mess in other's business.The problem is that the albanians were let in and now with the help of such kind people as you are , they've stollen the heart of that country! Shame to EU and to those who think that the money covers anything!

You forgot one, southern Epirus...
(Bill, 5 February 2009 00:39)

Gets a bit complicated when two sides compete over the same piece of land, doesn't it?