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Monday, 02.02.2009.

10:24

Slovenia: Ex-JNA officers seek pensions

High-ranking JNA officers who fought against Slovenia have upset the country’s public by asking for reparations and army pensions.

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Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

PJD

Slovenia held democratic, multi-party elections, held a referendum on independence and decided to split from Yugoslavia. This was done with no use of force.

So who, if not the JNA, used force to try and change the situation in Slovenia?

Ataman

pre 15 godina

This is a normal practice and pretty popular (except Finance Department - they of course hate it). In Spain, both Falangist and Republican veterans receive (of course only few are alive today) pension and have their rank. In Russia the "red" and "white" army service is increasingly regarded on equal terms. With pension and keeping the rank individuals have to be judged/honored, not the cause they served. That will be judged by historians... much later, at the time no one involved is alive.

As long as somebody SERVED (and not committed crimes), fine. Should apply to UCK as well. There are many (most) who joined UCK/KLA and served an (IMHO **** WRONG **** ) cause, but it can be understand, why they did. Who has no blood of innocent people and served certain cause with honor should be judged on that = receive the pension and keep the "rank". Who dishonored him/herself by committing atrocities should face the justice.

There are cases of course ("SS", Pol Pot) where "not committed crime" is rather an exception.... so our judgement is accordingly.

Nothing wrong per se with JNA, VS or (as I said - surprise - even UCK). Just look at the individual's record, what (s)he did.

Logic

pre 15 godina

It is my understanding that after WWI Slovenian, Croatian,Bosnian citizens who fought against Serbian army on the Austro-Hungarian Empire side, got their pensions from then Yugoslavian government.Not to mention the beloved "greatest son of all our nations" and other members of his not so small and insignificant extended family who so "successfully" ruled over "new" Yugoslavia for so long.
I believe there are some able historians around who can shed more light on the issue. As a matter of fact, that could do some descendants of mentioned Austro-Hungarian army members - there must be plenty of them around.
I appreciate any reliable information on the topic.

Logic

pre 15 godina

It is my understanding that after WWI Slovenian, Croatian,Bosnian citizens who fought against Serbian army on the Austro-Hungarian Empire side, got their pensions from then Yugoslavian government.Not to mention the beloved "greatest son of all our nations" and other members of his not so small and insignificant extended family who so "successfully" ruled over "new" Yugoslavia for so long.
I believe there are some able historians around who can shed more light on the issue. As a matter of fact, that could do some descendants of mentioned Austro-Hungarian army members - there must be plenty of them around.
I appreciate any reliable information on the topic.

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

PJD

Slovenia held democratic, multi-party elections, held a referendum on independence and decided to split from Yugoslavia. This was done with no use of force.

So who, if not the JNA, used force to try and change the situation in Slovenia?

Ataman

pre 15 godina

This is a normal practice and pretty popular (except Finance Department - they of course hate it). In Spain, both Falangist and Republican veterans receive (of course only few are alive today) pension and have their rank. In Russia the "red" and "white" army service is increasingly regarded on equal terms. With pension and keeping the rank individuals have to be judged/honored, not the cause they served. That will be judged by historians... much later, at the time no one involved is alive.

As long as somebody SERVED (and not committed crimes), fine. Should apply to UCK as well. There are many (most) who joined UCK/KLA and served an (IMHO **** WRONG **** ) cause, but it can be understand, why they did. Who has no blood of innocent people and served certain cause with honor should be judged on that = receive the pension and keep the "rank". Who dishonored him/herself by committing atrocities should face the justice.

There are cases of course ("SS", Pol Pot) where "not committed crime" is rather an exception.... so our judgement is accordingly.

Nothing wrong per se with JNA, VS or (as I said - surprise - even UCK). Just look at the individual's record, what (s)he did.

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

PJD

Slovenia held democratic, multi-party elections, held a referendum on independence and decided to split from Yugoslavia. This was done with no use of force.

So who, if not the JNA, used force to try and change the situation in Slovenia?

Logic

pre 15 godina

It is my understanding that after WWI Slovenian, Croatian,Bosnian citizens who fought against Serbian army on the Austro-Hungarian Empire side, got their pensions from then Yugoslavian government.Not to mention the beloved "greatest son of all our nations" and other members of his not so small and insignificant extended family who so "successfully" ruled over "new" Yugoslavia for so long.
I believe there are some able historians around who can shed more light on the issue. As a matter of fact, that could do some descendants of mentioned Austro-Hungarian army members - there must be plenty of them around.
I appreciate any reliable information on the topic.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

This is a normal practice and pretty popular (except Finance Department - they of course hate it). In Spain, both Falangist and Republican veterans receive (of course only few are alive today) pension and have their rank. In Russia the "red" and "white" army service is increasingly regarded on equal terms. With pension and keeping the rank individuals have to be judged/honored, not the cause they served. That will be judged by historians... much later, at the time no one involved is alive.

As long as somebody SERVED (and not committed crimes), fine. Should apply to UCK as well. There are many (most) who joined UCK/KLA and served an (IMHO **** WRONG **** ) cause, but it can be understand, why they did. Who has no blood of innocent people and served certain cause with honor should be judged on that = receive the pension and keep the "rank". Who dishonored him/herself by committing atrocities should face the justice.

There are cases of course ("SS", Pol Pot) where "not committed crime" is rather an exception.... so our judgement is accordingly.

Nothing wrong per se with JNA, VS or (as I said - surprise - even UCK). Just look at the individual's record, what (s)he did.