Why don't the Serbs pay for this and for that bla bla bla... Albanians want Serbs to recognize Kosovo in order to receive power, that's where the problem lies. You must be getting desperate to blackmail people into accepting your banana republic. Are you albanians forgetting who is paying for your bills in Kosovo? Without wellfare money from the West you wouldn't even have bread to feed your children.
As much as I respect (some of) your input, this one must've been caused by tons of beer consumption at the pre-game show – it was a great Super Bowl game by the way.
If someone doesn't pay the bills for their utilities for a decade – I am sorry, but their's are long overdue to be cut. Plain and simple. There is no Serb, Albanian, whatever xenophobia about it.
Sure, as someone pointed out, there are also Albanians that don't pay their bills – it's no secret. But think of it in terms of you cruising on an interstate highway and you're speeding. There are a few other cars that were going faster than you, but you just so happen to be pulled over by a trooper. Oh no … it must be because you are . It was your lucky day. The trooper had to start somewhere. And to say that electricity isn't being cut from Albanians for their non-bill paying is also false (there were cases reported on print and TV about certain incidents that didn't go very smooth – the crew of RTK was attacked while covering one of the stories).
Please, leave politics aside when it's not political. While I do feel bad for those people; I really do, KEK is not a not-for-profit organization either. 10 years is long overdue. Plus, all that KEK is doing is asking, in a nutshell, is for 60 euros to get the ball rolling again … I find it hard to buy into that tinfoil hat theory of ethnic cleansing.
Or am I missing something completely? I'd be curious to know something you do.
Can't we all just get along? Seriously, if y'all could just stop arguing amongst yourselves and work together you would see a world of difference. I'm not taking one side over another with my comment. Take the politics out and reach out to your neighbors, people! It goes both ways, no matter who you are.
You're right. I was a bit over-melodramatic in my above comment (I chalk it up to my Sunday drink before my Sunday lunch - and I'm sticking to that excuse). I thought right after I posted that there's probably way more people than just Serbs in Kosovo who aren't (or can't) pay their bills. I wonder if Albanians who can't/won't are going through the same problems too.
I personally despise my phone company (I can apparently send text messages to Burkina Faso, but nowhere in the Balkans - not even Slovenia). Yet if I don't pay, they shut my mobile service off.
Well I hate to sound like a scratched record today but the Serbian government should sort out these payments.
(bganon, 1 February 2009 20:17)
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I can't agree with you there bg. If anything, we should find out how much electricity these people are consuming and then Serbia should direct that amount back into the Kosovo grid. That way the government is covering their usage without getting involved with or paying a criminal network.
what if they (or sb. else for them) pay the bills and sign the contracts instead?
Can't we just let politics aside for once?
I mean, I would like very much to declare paying my bills (very high indeed, damned hard winter) unacceptable for any reason. Cool, if I had a ministry to support my position.
Some posters here make it look like the Serbs are the only ones not paying electricity bills, when the truth is not many pay electricity bills there and only the Serbs seems to get punished in this humanitarian way.
KEK has 320,000 customers, 260,000 of them don’t pay their electricity bills, 40,000 by-pass their meters and 100,000 people are illegally connected to the electricity network.
Before the war 90 per cent of the people paid their electricity bills.
EA, Kosovo is a charity. EU and US tax dollars are funding everything in Kosovo. So, I'd get off of the high horse since your saddle is made of paper. How dare you pretend you have any right to anything when your self declared country is filled with beggars? If it weren't for Americans (even Americans of Serbian heritage), you wouldn't have toilet paper. Stop pretending you are up with the rest of Europe when you and your fellow Kosovo Albanians live in the poorest area of Europe. Give me a break.
"The contract does not contain only a technical detail, but it implicitly imposes a recognition of Kosovo."
So paying your electricity bill is now against "international law"?
I think this person is lying, it's doubtful that the contract explicitly states that end user has to recognize Republic of Kosovo. That statement just does not make sense.
Victims of Serb politician lies about 'temporary, illegal' institutions. Pay the bill. My family in Albania pays the equivalent of $45 a month because they don't have meters yet. If they don't pay, they have no power. Those with meters are very careful not to use it too much, common sense. Everyone is poor but some may have a job, others have family in the West that send money, a pension, sell milk, vegies, a cow here and a sheep there and they have to manage.
In USA as well: pay or.... 10 years with no bills is enough
Well I hate to sound like a scratched record today but the Serbian government should sort out these payments.
Its not as if the budget for Kosovo has been small in the last few years. And its not as if some working for the Serbian government haven't done very well thank you very much out of this budget. So, lets give this money to end the misery of the Kosovo Serbs.
Whilst we are at it lets sort the problem out for once and for all. I do not support using Kosovo Serbs as political pawns.
There is always a creative way out of a problem. If that means they pay their bills to the Serbian government that pays it to the Kosovo electricity company directly or indirectly then lets do that.
I have a feeling we're going to be seeing more of these tactics in the future. Pristina can no longer resort to open ethnic cleansing of Serb areas (lest they risk the consternation of Washington), so they'll resort to more benign strategies of removing unwanted communities by making life as unbearable as possible for anyone south of the Ibar until they are forced to leave.
"...but Kosovo Albanian authorities want each household to pay for electricity spent in the past three months and sign contracts. The Serbs, and the Ministry for Kosovo, reject this as unacceptable.
What is unacceptable here. Where on earth you consume and want it for free. Kosova is not a charity organisation. I think the Kosova authorities need to explain better and forceful to its citizens what a country mean.
"The contract does not contain only a technical detail, but it implicitly imposes a recognition of Kosovo." That is all about it is not about electricity but not recognising the Kosova independence.
"Negotiations on the six-point plan should take place as soon possible...." That is all Serbia is interested. Manipulate the local populations and destibilise the area. Good excuse for Serbia to "liberate" the Serbs and restore "law and order" for "discriminated" Serbs. NOTHING for free even if you are a Serb OR Albanian living in Kosova!
"State Secretary with the Ministry for Kosovo Zvonko Stević said.
This official [...] believes the current crisis is in fact pressure against them to leave the area."
This would be true if even after that the symbolic €60 per family for 3 months- that is 3.3€ per person per month- have been paid, the electricity was denied to them again.
Since this is not the case the statement of the Serbian official Mr Stevic is one of many lies and hate incitement statements that Serbian officials are making for the past 20 years. Serbia is not interested in fair and peaceful solution but on extending her hegemony as much as possible.
"...but Kosovo Albanian authorities want each household to pay for electricity spent in the past three months and sign contracts. The Serbs, and the Ministry for Kosovo, reject this as unacceptable.
What is unacceptable here. Where on earth you consume and want it for free. Kosova is not a charity organisation. I think the Kosova authorities need to explain better and forceful to its citizens what a country mean.
"The contract does not contain only a technical detail, but it implicitly imposes a recognition of Kosovo." That is all about it is not about electricity but not recognising the Kosova independence.
"Negotiations on the six-point plan should take place as soon possible...." That is all Serbia is interested. Manipulate the local populations and destibilise the area. Good excuse for Serbia to "liberate" the Serbs and restore "law and order" for "discriminated" Serbs. NOTHING for free even if you are a Serb OR Albanian living in Kosova!
Some posters here make it look like the Serbs are the only ones not paying electricity bills, when the truth is not many pay electricity bills there and only the Serbs seems to get punished in this humanitarian way.
KEK has 320,000 customers, 260,000 of them don’t pay their electricity bills, 40,000 by-pass their meters and 100,000 people are illegally connected to the electricity network.
Before the war 90 per cent of the people paid their electricity bills.
EA, Kosovo is a charity. EU and US tax dollars are funding everything in Kosovo. So, I'd get off of the high horse since your saddle is made of paper. How dare you pretend you have any right to anything when your self declared country is filled with beggars? If it weren't for Americans (even Americans of Serbian heritage), you wouldn't have toilet paper. Stop pretending you are up with the rest of Europe when you and your fellow Kosovo Albanians live in the poorest area of Europe. Give me a break.
I have a feeling we're going to be seeing more of these tactics in the future. Pristina can no longer resort to open ethnic cleansing of Serb areas (lest they risk the consternation of Washington), so they'll resort to more benign strategies of removing unwanted communities by making life as unbearable as possible for anyone south of the Ibar until they are forced to leave.
"State Secretary with the Ministry for Kosovo Zvonko Stević said.
This official [...] believes the current crisis is in fact pressure against them to leave the area."
This would be true if even after that the symbolic €60 per family for 3 months- that is 3.3€ per person per month- have been paid, the electricity was denied to them again.
Since this is not the case the statement of the Serbian official Mr Stevic is one of many lies and hate incitement statements that Serbian officials are making for the past 20 years. Serbia is not interested in fair and peaceful solution but on extending her hegemony as much as possible.
"The contract does not contain only a technical detail, but it implicitly imposes a recognition of Kosovo."
So paying your electricity bill is now against "international law"?
I think this person is lying, it's doubtful that the contract explicitly states that end user has to recognize Republic of Kosovo. That statement just does not make sense.
Well I hate to sound like a scratched record today but the Serbian government should sort out these payments.
Its not as if the budget for Kosovo has been small in the last few years. And its not as if some working for the Serbian government haven't done very well thank you very much out of this budget. So, lets give this money to end the misery of the Kosovo Serbs.
Whilst we are at it lets sort the problem out for once and for all. I do not support using Kosovo Serbs as political pawns.
There is always a creative way out of a problem. If that means they pay their bills to the Serbian government that pays it to the Kosovo electricity company directly or indirectly then lets do that.
what if they (or sb. else for them) pay the bills and sign the contracts instead?
Can't we just let politics aside for once?
I mean, I would like very much to declare paying my bills (very high indeed, damned hard winter) unacceptable for any reason. Cool, if I had a ministry to support my position.
Victims of Serb politician lies about 'temporary, illegal' institutions. Pay the bill. My family in Albania pays the equivalent of $45 a month because they don't have meters yet. If they don't pay, they have no power. Those with meters are very careful not to use it too much, common sense. Everyone is poor but some may have a job, others have family in the West that send money, a pension, sell milk, vegies, a cow here and a sheep there and they have to manage.
In USA as well: pay or.... 10 years with no bills is enough
Can't we all just get along? Seriously, if y'all could just stop arguing amongst yourselves and work together you would see a world of difference. I'm not taking one side over another with my comment. Take the politics out and reach out to your neighbors, people! It goes both ways, no matter who you are.
You're right. I was a bit over-melodramatic in my above comment (I chalk it up to my Sunday drink before my Sunday lunch - and I'm sticking to that excuse). I thought right after I posted that there's probably way more people than just Serbs in Kosovo who aren't (or can't) pay their bills. I wonder if Albanians who can't/won't are going through the same problems too.
I personally despise my phone company (I can apparently send text messages to Burkina Faso, but nowhere in the Balkans - not even Slovenia). Yet if I don't pay, they shut my mobile service off.
Why don't the Serbs pay for this and for that bla bla bla... Albanians want Serbs to recognize Kosovo in order to receive power, that's where the problem lies. You must be getting desperate to blackmail people into accepting your banana republic. Are you albanians forgetting who is paying for your bills in Kosovo? Without wellfare money from the West you wouldn't even have bread to feed your children.
Well I hate to sound like a scratched record today but the Serbian government should sort out these payments.
(bganon, 1 February 2009 20:17)
--
I can't agree with you there bg. If anything, we should find out how much electricity these people are consuming and then Serbia should direct that amount back into the Kosovo grid. That way the government is covering their usage without getting involved with or paying a criminal network.
As much as I respect (some of) your input, this one must've been caused by tons of beer consumption at the pre-game show – it was a great Super Bowl game by the way.
If someone doesn't pay the bills for their utilities for a decade – I am sorry, but their's are long overdue to be cut. Plain and simple. There is no Serb, Albanian, whatever xenophobia about it.
Sure, as someone pointed out, there are also Albanians that don't pay their bills – it's no secret. But think of it in terms of you cruising on an interstate highway and you're speeding. There are a few other cars that were going faster than you, but you just so happen to be pulled over by a trooper. Oh no … it must be because you are . It was your lucky day. The trooper had to start somewhere. And to say that electricity isn't being cut from Albanians for their non-bill paying is also false (there were cases reported on print and TV about certain incidents that didn't go very smooth – the crew of RTK was attacked while covering one of the stories).
Please, leave politics aside when it's not political. While I do feel bad for those people; I really do, KEK is not a not-for-profit organization either. 10 years is long overdue. Plus, all that KEK is doing is asking, in a nutshell, is for 60 euros to get the ball rolling again … I find it hard to buy into that tinfoil hat theory of ethnic cleansing.
Or am I missing something completely? I'd be curious to know something you do.
"State Secretary with the Ministry for Kosovo Zvonko Stević said.
This official [...] believes the current crisis is in fact pressure against them to leave the area."
This would be true if even after that the symbolic €60 per family for 3 months- that is 3.3€ per person per month- have been paid, the electricity was denied to them again.
Since this is not the case the statement of the Serbian official Mr Stevic is one of many lies and hate incitement statements that Serbian officials are making for the past 20 years. Serbia is not interested in fair and peaceful solution but on extending her hegemony as much as possible.
"...but Kosovo Albanian authorities want each household to pay for electricity spent in the past three months and sign contracts. The Serbs, and the Ministry for Kosovo, reject this as unacceptable.
What is unacceptable here. Where on earth you consume and want it for free. Kosova is not a charity organisation. I think the Kosova authorities need to explain better and forceful to its citizens what a country mean.
"The contract does not contain only a technical detail, but it implicitly imposes a recognition of Kosovo." That is all about it is not about electricity but not recognising the Kosova independence.
"Negotiations on the six-point plan should take place as soon possible...." That is all Serbia is interested. Manipulate the local populations and destibilise the area. Good excuse for Serbia to "liberate" the Serbs and restore "law and order" for "discriminated" Serbs. NOTHING for free even if you are a Serb OR Albanian living in Kosova!
Victims of Serb politician lies about 'temporary, illegal' institutions. Pay the bill. My family in Albania pays the equivalent of $45 a month because they don't have meters yet. If they don't pay, they have no power. Those with meters are very careful not to use it too much, common sense. Everyone is poor but some may have a job, others have family in the West that send money, a pension, sell milk, vegies, a cow here and a sheep there and they have to manage.
In USA as well: pay or.... 10 years with no bills is enough
EA, Kosovo is a charity. EU and US tax dollars are funding everything in Kosovo. So, I'd get off of the high horse since your saddle is made of paper. How dare you pretend you have any right to anything when your self declared country is filled with beggars? If it weren't for Americans (even Americans of Serbian heritage), you wouldn't have toilet paper. Stop pretending you are up with the rest of Europe when you and your fellow Kosovo Albanians live in the poorest area of Europe. Give me a break.
"The contract does not contain only a technical detail, but it implicitly imposes a recognition of Kosovo."
So paying your electricity bill is now against "international law"?
I think this person is lying, it's doubtful that the contract explicitly states that end user has to recognize Republic of Kosovo. That statement just does not make sense.
what if they (or sb. else for them) pay the bills and sign the contracts instead?
Can't we just let politics aside for once?
I mean, I would like very much to declare paying my bills (very high indeed, damned hard winter) unacceptable for any reason. Cool, if I had a ministry to support my position.
Some posters here make it look like the Serbs are the only ones not paying electricity bills, when the truth is not many pay electricity bills there and only the Serbs seems to get punished in this humanitarian way.
KEK has 320,000 customers, 260,000 of them don’t pay their electricity bills, 40,000 by-pass their meters and 100,000 people are illegally connected to the electricity network.
Before the war 90 per cent of the people paid their electricity bills.
As much as I respect (some of) your input, this one must've been caused by tons of beer consumption at the pre-game show – it was a great Super Bowl game by the way.
If someone doesn't pay the bills for their utilities for a decade – I am sorry, but their's are long overdue to be cut. Plain and simple. There is no Serb, Albanian, whatever xenophobia about it.
Sure, as someone pointed out, there are also Albanians that don't pay their bills – it's no secret. But think of it in terms of you cruising on an interstate highway and you're speeding. There are a few other cars that were going faster than you, but you just so happen to be pulled over by a trooper. Oh no … it must be because you are . It was your lucky day. The trooper had to start somewhere. And to say that electricity isn't being cut from Albanians for their non-bill paying is also false (there were cases reported on print and TV about certain incidents that didn't go very smooth – the crew of RTK was attacked while covering one of the stories).
Please, leave politics aside when it's not political. While I do feel bad for those people; I really do, KEK is not a not-for-profit organization either. 10 years is long overdue. Plus, all that KEK is doing is asking, in a nutshell, is for 60 euros to get the ball rolling again … I find it hard to buy into that tinfoil hat theory of ethnic cleansing.
Or am I missing something completely? I'd be curious to know something you do.
I have a feeling we're going to be seeing more of these tactics in the future. Pristina can no longer resort to open ethnic cleansing of Serb areas (lest they risk the consternation of Washington), so they'll resort to more benign strategies of removing unwanted communities by making life as unbearable as possible for anyone south of the Ibar until they are forced to leave.
Why don't the Serbs pay for this and for that bla bla bla... Albanians want Serbs to recognize Kosovo in order to receive power, that's where the problem lies. You must be getting desperate to blackmail people into accepting your banana republic. Are you albanians forgetting who is paying for your bills in Kosovo? Without wellfare money from the West you wouldn't even have bread to feed your children.
Well I hate to sound like a scratched record today but the Serbian government should sort out these payments.
Its not as if the budget for Kosovo has been small in the last few years. And its not as if some working for the Serbian government haven't done very well thank you very much out of this budget. So, lets give this money to end the misery of the Kosovo Serbs.
Whilst we are at it lets sort the problem out for once and for all. I do not support using Kosovo Serbs as political pawns.
There is always a creative way out of a problem. If that means they pay their bills to the Serbian government that pays it to the Kosovo electricity company directly or indirectly then lets do that.
Well I hate to sound like a scratched record today but the Serbian government should sort out these payments.
(bganon, 1 February 2009 20:17)
--
I can't agree with you there bg. If anything, we should find out how much electricity these people are consuming and then Serbia should direct that amount back into the Kosovo grid. That way the government is covering their usage without getting involved with or paying a criminal network.
You're right. I was a bit over-melodramatic in my above comment (I chalk it up to my Sunday drink before my Sunday lunch - and I'm sticking to that excuse). I thought right after I posted that there's probably way more people than just Serbs in Kosovo who aren't (or can't) pay their bills. I wonder if Albanians who can't/won't are going through the same problems too.
I personally despise my phone company (I can apparently send text messages to Burkina Faso, but nowhere in the Balkans - not even Slovenia). Yet if I don't pay, they shut my mobile service off.
Can't we all just get along? Seriously, if y'all could just stop arguing amongst yourselves and work together you would see a world of difference. I'm not taking one side over another with my comment. Take the politics out and reach out to your neighbors, people! It goes both ways, no matter who you are.
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