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Thursday, 29.01.2009.

11:01

Jeremić at UN to discuss Kosovo

Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić is at UN HQ in New York today discussing Kosovo with representatives of the General Secretariat.

Izvor: Tanjug

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blero

pre 15 godina

(Milan, 2 February 2009 07:38)

Milan let us not put the carriage before the horse now.
I can guaranty now (and for thousands years to come) the there will not be any discussions about any autonomy for Kosovo within Serbia.
The only discussions about any autonomy that might take place might be for the remaining Albanians outside Kosovo (in Serbia), e.g. Preshava Valey.
The fact that our foreign ministry has not delivered is something that they will have to be investigated and appropriate measures will have to be taken.
Surroi as far as I am concerned is 5000% better choice for the job.
But Milan please do not believe at any time that he will be discussing anything like you said.
Look at his family tree.
It is very annoying to see people read a comment and then give it their own twist it to suit their angle (as you have done here).

Milan

pre 15 godina

Blero

I have said it before and I will say it again. Surroi has smartened up. He knows that independence is a sham and its not going anywhere and so does Thaci. It will be Surroi that will be representing the K-ALbs in dialogue with Belgrade regarding the status of Kosovo-Metohija's autonomy within Serbia. Please understand this.

stari_vujadin

pre 15 godina

This person has visited hundreds of countries EXCEPT Kosovo. How does this man ask an ambassador of Brazil to withhold recognition when he has NEVER EVER visited or been to Kosovo?
(L*O*G*I*C, 29 January 2009 17:05)

why doesn't the kosovo leadership visit serbia - ohhh that's right... they will be arrested...

and as for the 'rich' countries recognizing the udi:

WHERE HAVE U BEEN FOR THE LAST 6 MONTHS???? The USA along with their allies can't afford to make cars or build homes any longer let alone run their inefficient war machine - that's why they are selling their weapons to the newly formed 'KSF'.

In other words, GDP is is irrellevant when it comes to international law. On the other hand Russia, China, India and Brazil (who make up over 50% of the world's population) have said that they will not recognize the udi. So, before the BRIC countries become dominant (financially & militarily) on the world stage, ask yourselves this first: what speaks louder? the dollar or the will of the majority??

blero

pre 15 godina

(Greg, 30 January 2009 10:09)

Unfortunately Greg, I agree with you and you analogy.
There is no denying that Jeremic and Serbian politicians are way more active than Kosovo politicians.
I personally would not mind to see the complete Kosovo political elite be replaced with people that actually have the desire to work for Kosovo.
Joking aside, if our foreign minister (Mr. Skender Hyseni) gave only 5% of what Jeremic is doing we would harvest the fruits of the work by now.
Sometimes I actually ask myself if mister Hyseni actually works for Serbia (a joke).
Well, if you don’t work for the home time, you must be working for the other side.
Not fulfilling your duties benefits the opposition.
To make things worst, the job that Jeremic has ahead is miles harder than the job that Skender Hyseni has.
Jeremic must always approach things in a defensive way (taking in account the recent actions done by Serbia in Kosovo).
On the other side Skender Hyseni does not have that obstacle.
As a matter a fact that is the head-start that Skender Hyseni would have in any discussion.
I guess, Serbian politicians are laughing “all the way to the bank” until we have Skender Hyseni representing us.
And why not, I would do the same if they had Draskovic or Seselj representing them.
I cannot understand (nor comprehend) how can we have Skender Hyseni in politics and have Veton Surroi out of it.
Going back to football, I would say that at the present we are still on the lead 5:3 with a referee that does not take sides.
Until we have Hyseni and they have Jeremic I can see much more work to be done by the person that replaces Mr. Hyseni.
I cannot see the result getting any closer (unless if we are stuck with Mr Hyseni for a long time).

Alex

pre 15 godina

laluc what you say is wrong. Serbs do have a clear agenda in foreign policy and we must do the same before it is too late.Veton Suroi is the best man for the job.

laluc

pre 15 godina

"it's really hard to understand why Albanians have completely withdrawn from the diplomatic attempts. They have left the field to Mr. Jeremic without any kind of engagement."


Here's a few reasons:

1) Diplomacy doesn't matter much when we have the backing of the strongest nation on earth, regardless of a change in administration.

2) We know that Jeremic won't achieve anything, so why even bother.

3) We are already independent to the nations that we wanted to the most. Those who almost have 3/4 of the world's GDP. Time to party it up again come Feb 17, 09.

Greg

pre 15 godina

Dear Miri, Mike. On Mr. Jeremic
First, one should mention that of course the activity of Mr. Jeremic is not an one-man show. The whole Serb Team of Foreign policy is professional, extrordinary good prepared, smart and efficient.
Miri you mentioned what Jremic doesn't tell the world about Kosovo's past. I agree, but that's obviously up to the Kosovars to deliver this part of the story. Some days ago Richard Holbrooke said to Albanians; You have to do more to get recognitions. I dont consider this to be a good advice, I think this is a warning, if you don't start working you'll be let down!
Since both Serbs and Albanians love soccer I would summarize the results on Kosovo like this: The game began with a 5:1 lead, and the referee on Albanians side. Nevertheless Mr. jeremic took up the fight and is about to equalize. Instead of start fighting Albanians are asking the referee to score for them, because Serbias Defence is just to strong.

miri

pre 15 godina

Miri, why do you Albanians have to keep saying how the rich countries have spoken and that's it..
(Peggy, 29 January 2009 23:24)

Simply because it does matter. It always has been and it will always be that it does matter a lot who your allies are.

Back to Mike.
Jeremic is very active, that I cannot deny. However working harder doesn't mean working smarter. The only "success" that Jeremic can claim is being able to take the issue at ICJ. Jeremic thinks is a victory but he is simply a demagogue. ICJ doesn't have any importance whatever the decision is, in the meanwhile he is being warned that this act will jeopardize Serbia's relation with EU. Many commenting here have started to throw dirt at EU as back-stabbers. The signals are coming clear from EU what ELSE Serbia has to do other than arresting Mladic in order to enter the union. EU stance is getting tougher. Jeremic might have played a great role in this, don't you think? At the end ICJ will bring nothing to Serbia other than stagnation and more conditions to enter the club.

Statements "We'll give up EU before Kosovo" are ridiculous these days. A diplomat that pretends to look west, doesn't talk this way. Entering the club is a privilege and when Jeremic and his friends even allude to putting conditions to EU, that is considered arrogance and stupidity.

Jeremic annoys the hell out of everyone. However he is praised as good diplomat just because Albanians hate him. You can bring here disgusting comparisons about Hyseni. I guess Serbs also hate Kosova's foreign minister. In that sense, the two seem to have something common. I believe too Hyseni is no fit for the position, but here is an observation that you and others always overlook. K-Albanians won their independence through diplomacy, and diplomacy means making allies. I hope you understand what I mean.

The problem is that all Serb politicians suffer from the same syndrome. They can't hide their despise against K-Albanians. I almost can "taste" how much you hate Thaci. He fought aside KLA, he throws the word "genocide" like you say, and again he and Sejdiu still stand up and say "We are for good relations with all our neighbors, including Serbia". It's almost funny how a statement like this triggers a drama in Belgrade and in this forum where hate comments some time reach unseen levels. The same is true with multi-ethnic card. Whenever Tadic or Jeremic talk, they only mention non-Albanians in Kosova, roughly 8-9% of population. Two sentences later ‘Kosovo is Serbia”.

Sorry Mike Serbia does not have any diplomacy. The only thing that Serbia has is Russia, and that’s that.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

@Peggy:

don´t lose your head about miri, she doesn´t comprehend much of what she´s writing about.

the funniest thing about it is, that not only miri, but some other dreamers too, really seem to believe that their socalled stillborn entity bears the fantasy-name "kosova"...

last but not least, to answer your question:

rather simple individuals tend to believe that rich poeple, rich states etc. can do what they want...

that´s exactly the reason why the k-albanians actually still live in these miserable conditions.

without a clear commitment to the rule of law, they will simply stay in their little dream ( that will sooner or later transform into a nightmare ) of "kosova".

ZK

pre 15 godina

I just love it how the K-Albanians have more interest in Serbian politicians than ethnic Serbians. Well, I know you guys are in denial but they are your real political leaders after all.

But don't worry, I'm sure your equivalent puppet and illegal "foreign minister" will soon have enough funds for a trip to Skopje. If it helps, I'll throw in a couple dinars.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Mr. Jeremic has truly been active. However the results of his demagogical achievements are in question. Since he has been Serbia's FM, Kosova has declared inependence, 54 countries (making up 70% of world's GDP) have recognized it.

Miri, why do you Albanians have to keep saying how the rich countries have spoken and that's it. So, only the rich have a say in what happens and that's how the law should be?

This only makes what they have done even more disgusting.

Mike

pre 15 godina

Careful miri. You don't want some of your halcyonic statements coming back to haunt you in the near future. Yes, Jeremic hasn't been able to completely halt recognitions of Kosovo. But remember, he's only one man. And for one man, he's doing far more than any Foreign Minister I know can do. Putting him on the same level as Skender Hyseni is an insult. The bacteria in my kitchen sink travels more than Hyseni does.

If recognitions are only coming in from minor US dependencies, I'd say eventually recognitions are going to hit a wall and halt.

Jeremic has done much to disrupt Kosovo's alleged sovereignty. From brokering an agreement with EULEX that effectively neutered Pristina's internal sovereignty to getting enough votes to take the entire matter to the ICJ (6 "no" votes to a whole bunch of "absentions" even by countries like Britain, France, and Germany), to now this.

If Jeremic is told there's nothing he can do to stop the KSF, which I suspect will happen, he can at least get the EU to back off implementing the KSF in Serb municipalities (which is what he really wants anyway), or just place it under the control of EULEX. The EU is not interested in creating more conflict, and as they've done in the past, they'll compromise Kosovo's legitimacy if need be. You can poke fun at him all you like, but it's only a sign of frustration as just "one man's" ability in limiting the control of an alleged country that's supposedly supported by, and this is by Albanian accounts, 95% of the free world.

Still pretty darn impressive by my count.

And what, praytell, can you find of "multiethnic emphasis and language" coming out of Pristina? Unless it's a cue-card Thaci is forced to recite for BBC reporters, the only thing I've heard from this lunatic are crackpot statements with the word "genocide" liberally thrown around.

miri

pre 15 godina

It's really hard to understand why Albanians have completely withdrawn from the diplomatic attempts. They have left the field to Mr. Jeremic without any kind of engagement. Dear Kosovars, is this really ALL you can offer.
Honestly Mr. Jeremic, Congratulation for this tireless engagement and hard work. Indeed Harvard pays out!
(Greg, 29 January 2009 18:21)

Mr. Jeremic has truly been active. However the results of his demagogical achievements are in question. Since he has been Serbia's FM, Kosova has declared inependence, 54 countries (making up 70% of world's GDP) have recognized it. Ahtisaari plan has been implemented almost to it's full scale (at least over 95% of its population). Kosova's constitution was approved, its nucleus of armed forces created with the blessing of NATO. Bilateral diplomatic missions are being set with countries that have recognized the new republic. Furthermore, the multi-ethnic emphasis and language coming out of Pristina is a blow in the face to Jeremic, who despite his tireless and active diplomat, has created an image of a demagogue rather than of a diplomat. To K-Albanian benefit, Jeremic never talks about the problem itself, which is why Kosova declared independence, he keeps talking about Int. Law being broken as if this is something that took place overnight by insulting the very efforts that the West put into solving this issue for almost a decade. With all due respect Jeremic is a failure. Not to say that Hyseni is any better, but Jeremic degree doesn't impress anyone.

Harvard Kennedy School of Government?

Pffft..... My wife went there too.

Ron

pre 15 godina

EA,

(1) Kosovo is a Serbian province so I don't get what you mean...

(2) It is Kosovo, not Kosova. Please learn correct English.

Thanks in advance!

genc

pre 15 godina

The free world must act NOW!
(Ron, 29 January 2009 18:38)

You're late Ron, the free world has acted . If you and I share the same idea of the free world, which I hope we do share, 95% of it has acted by recognizing.

As for 1244: the UN and the free world didn't act when Serbs set up parallel structures violating it; this 1244 seems to be open to every possible interpretation. That makes it obsolete and useless (as it is showing itself since years, not since Feb. 17 2008).

EA

pre 15 godina

and “the exceptionally disturbing developments in Kosovo,” explaining that, by this, he meant the creation of the “paramilitary, so-called Kosovo Security Forces.”
What it can be disturbing for Serbia is fine for Kosova and that what is matter most. Serbia should care more her own problem in Serbia and stop stiring the waters in Kosova.

Alban

pre 15 godina

>> "The best Jeremic can do with the KSF is getting the powers that be to incorporate it under the EULEX chain of command, thus classifying it as "status neutral". Internal security is a good thing: it provides jobs, and, well, security."

It will not happen Mike. The whole point is to have Kosova have something that looks like an army, like states do. KSF is already active and reports to Kosova's Parliament, not EU or NATO (at least in theory)

Any change to that would not be accepted

pss

pre 15 godina

The fact that he must meet with Zannier in New York shows how tight a control UNMIK has on Kosovo.
Very difficult to manage day to day operations 4000 miles away. I guess that is why UNMIK has turned most all control over to local government.

Z

pre 15 godina

Tex- New Mexico is primarily made up of Mexicans, doesn't mean they can tear it up anyway they want. Kosovo is a part of Serbia. The Albanians have turned into an oasis for illegal drug and human trafficking that is beyond dispicable for Serbia and Europe to put with. Unbelievable.

Ron

pre 15 godina

UN must act strongly against any violation of 1244. No matter which side violates it!

Especially the Western nations should act deceisively against illegal Kosovo independence that breaches international law.

The free world must act NOW!

Greg

pre 15 godina

It's really hard to understand why Albanians have completely withdrawn from the diplomatic attempts. They have left the field to Mr. Jeremic without any kind of engagement. Dear Kosovars, is this really ALL you can offer.
Honestly Mr. Jeremic, Congratulation for this tireless engagement and hard work. Indeed Harvard pays out!

Hruz

pre 15 godina

"Exceptionally disturbing events in Kosovo" are only what you and your cronies do in the North.

Should stop acting like an unwelcome travelling agent.

Mike

pre 15 godina

The best Jeremic can do with the KSF is getting the powers that be to incorporate it under the EULEX chain of command, thus classifying it as "status neutral". Internal security is a good thing: it provides jobs, and, well, security.

And yes, I too envy Jeremic's travel plans. Gold star member? He's seriously platinum at this point. But that's what foreign ministers do - they travel.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 15 godina

This person has visited hundreds of countries EXCEPT Kosovo. How does this man ask an ambassador of Brazil to withhold recognition when he has NEVER EVER visited or been to Kosovo?

Malsor

pre 15 godina

"...and “the exceptionally disturbing developments in Kosovo,” explaining that, by this, he meant the creation of the “paramilitary, so-called Kosovo Security Forces.” "

Let me guess, Kosovo je Srbja and nothing has changed? This guy is hilarious acting as if UN controls it. 1244 didn't stop Feb 17th and the 'so-called security force' was part of Ahtisaari plan that Jeremic knew it will be implemented

theKosovar

pre 15 godina

one thing i envy Jeremic is his air miles, damn he must be gold by now, i guess i've got a way to go to get to gold, just been downgraded from silver to normal now :(

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Resolution 1244 has been violated for a long time now. UDI is a gross violation of this.

Let's hope that something is done about this now.
He is meeting with the right people and I'm sure they will not be able to brush this under the table any longer.

So long to your illegal UDI Kosovo.

theKosovar

pre 15 godina

one thing i envy Jeremic is his air miles, damn he must be gold by now, i guess i've got a way to go to get to gold, just been downgraded from silver to normal now :(

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Resolution 1244 has been violated for a long time now. UDI is a gross violation of this.

Let's hope that something is done about this now.
He is meeting with the right people and I'm sure they will not be able to brush this under the table any longer.

So long to your illegal UDI Kosovo.

Malsor

pre 15 godina

"...and “the exceptionally disturbing developments in Kosovo,” explaining that, by this, he meant the creation of the “paramilitary, so-called Kosovo Security Forces.” "

Let me guess, Kosovo je Srbja and nothing has changed? This guy is hilarious acting as if UN controls it. 1244 didn't stop Feb 17th and the 'so-called security force' was part of Ahtisaari plan that Jeremic knew it will be implemented

L*O*G*I*C

pre 15 godina

This person has visited hundreds of countries EXCEPT Kosovo. How does this man ask an ambassador of Brazil to withhold recognition when he has NEVER EVER visited or been to Kosovo?

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Mr. Jeremic has truly been active. However the results of his demagogical achievements are in question. Since he has been Serbia's FM, Kosova has declared inependence, 54 countries (making up 70% of world's GDP) have recognized it.

Miri, why do you Albanians have to keep saying how the rich countries have spoken and that's it. So, only the rich have a say in what happens and that's how the law should be?

This only makes what they have done even more disgusting.

Z

pre 15 godina

Tex- New Mexico is primarily made up of Mexicans, doesn't mean they can tear it up anyway they want. Kosovo is a part of Serbia. The Albanians have turned into an oasis for illegal drug and human trafficking that is beyond dispicable for Serbia and Europe to put with. Unbelievable.

Greg

pre 15 godina

It's really hard to understand why Albanians have completely withdrawn from the diplomatic attempts. They have left the field to Mr. Jeremic without any kind of engagement. Dear Kosovars, is this really ALL you can offer.
Honestly Mr. Jeremic, Congratulation for this tireless engagement and hard work. Indeed Harvard pays out!

miri

pre 15 godina

It's really hard to understand why Albanians have completely withdrawn from the diplomatic attempts. They have left the field to Mr. Jeremic without any kind of engagement. Dear Kosovars, is this really ALL you can offer.
Honestly Mr. Jeremic, Congratulation for this tireless engagement and hard work. Indeed Harvard pays out!
(Greg, 29 January 2009 18:21)

Mr. Jeremic has truly been active. However the results of his demagogical achievements are in question. Since he has been Serbia's FM, Kosova has declared inependence, 54 countries (making up 70% of world's GDP) have recognized it. Ahtisaari plan has been implemented almost to it's full scale (at least over 95% of its population). Kosova's constitution was approved, its nucleus of armed forces created with the blessing of NATO. Bilateral diplomatic missions are being set with countries that have recognized the new republic. Furthermore, the multi-ethnic emphasis and language coming out of Pristina is a blow in the face to Jeremic, who despite his tireless and active diplomat, has created an image of a demagogue rather than of a diplomat. To K-Albanian benefit, Jeremic never talks about the problem itself, which is why Kosova declared independence, he keeps talking about Int. Law being broken as if this is something that took place overnight by insulting the very efforts that the West put into solving this issue for almost a decade. With all due respect Jeremic is a failure. Not to say that Hyseni is any better, but Jeremic degree doesn't impress anyone.

Harvard Kennedy School of Government?

Pffft..... My wife went there too.

Mike

pre 15 godina

The best Jeremic can do with the KSF is getting the powers that be to incorporate it under the EULEX chain of command, thus classifying it as "status neutral". Internal security is a good thing: it provides jobs, and, well, security.

And yes, I too envy Jeremic's travel plans. Gold star member? He's seriously platinum at this point. But that's what foreign ministers do - they travel.

Alban

pre 15 godina

>> "The best Jeremic can do with the KSF is getting the powers that be to incorporate it under the EULEX chain of command, thus classifying it as "status neutral". Internal security is a good thing: it provides jobs, and, well, security."

It will not happen Mike. The whole point is to have Kosova have something that looks like an army, like states do. KSF is already active and reports to Kosova's Parliament, not EU or NATO (at least in theory)

Any change to that would not be accepted

Ron

pre 15 godina

UN must act strongly against any violation of 1244. No matter which side violates it!

Especially the Western nations should act deceisively against illegal Kosovo independence that breaches international law.

The free world must act NOW!

EA

pre 15 godina

and “the exceptionally disturbing developments in Kosovo,” explaining that, by this, he meant the creation of the “paramilitary, so-called Kosovo Security Forces.”
What it can be disturbing for Serbia is fine for Kosova and that what is matter most. Serbia should care more her own problem in Serbia and stop stiring the waters in Kosova.

genc

pre 15 godina

The free world must act NOW!
(Ron, 29 January 2009 18:38)

You're late Ron, the free world has acted . If you and I share the same idea of the free world, which I hope we do share, 95% of it has acted by recognizing.

As for 1244: the UN and the free world didn't act when Serbs set up parallel structures violating it; this 1244 seems to be open to every possible interpretation. That makes it obsolete and useless (as it is showing itself since years, not since Feb. 17 2008).

Ron

pre 15 godina

EA,

(1) Kosovo is a Serbian province so I don't get what you mean...

(2) It is Kosovo, not Kosova. Please learn correct English.

Thanks in advance!

Mike

pre 15 godina

Careful miri. You don't want some of your halcyonic statements coming back to haunt you in the near future. Yes, Jeremic hasn't been able to completely halt recognitions of Kosovo. But remember, he's only one man. And for one man, he's doing far more than any Foreign Minister I know can do. Putting him on the same level as Skender Hyseni is an insult. The bacteria in my kitchen sink travels more than Hyseni does.

If recognitions are only coming in from minor US dependencies, I'd say eventually recognitions are going to hit a wall and halt.

Jeremic has done much to disrupt Kosovo's alleged sovereignty. From brokering an agreement with EULEX that effectively neutered Pristina's internal sovereignty to getting enough votes to take the entire matter to the ICJ (6 "no" votes to a whole bunch of "absentions" even by countries like Britain, France, and Germany), to now this.

If Jeremic is told there's nothing he can do to stop the KSF, which I suspect will happen, he can at least get the EU to back off implementing the KSF in Serb municipalities (which is what he really wants anyway), or just place it under the control of EULEX. The EU is not interested in creating more conflict, and as they've done in the past, they'll compromise Kosovo's legitimacy if need be. You can poke fun at him all you like, but it's only a sign of frustration as just "one man's" ability in limiting the control of an alleged country that's supposedly supported by, and this is by Albanian accounts, 95% of the free world.

Still pretty darn impressive by my count.

And what, praytell, can you find of "multiethnic emphasis and language" coming out of Pristina? Unless it's a cue-card Thaci is forced to recite for BBC reporters, the only thing I've heard from this lunatic are crackpot statements with the word "genocide" liberally thrown around.

Hruz

pre 15 godina

"Exceptionally disturbing events in Kosovo" are only what you and your cronies do in the North.

Should stop acting like an unwelcome travelling agent.

miri

pre 15 godina

Miri, why do you Albanians have to keep saying how the rich countries have spoken and that's it..
(Peggy, 29 January 2009 23:24)

Simply because it does matter. It always has been and it will always be that it does matter a lot who your allies are.

Back to Mike.
Jeremic is very active, that I cannot deny. However working harder doesn't mean working smarter. The only "success" that Jeremic can claim is being able to take the issue at ICJ. Jeremic thinks is a victory but he is simply a demagogue. ICJ doesn't have any importance whatever the decision is, in the meanwhile he is being warned that this act will jeopardize Serbia's relation with EU. Many commenting here have started to throw dirt at EU as back-stabbers. The signals are coming clear from EU what ELSE Serbia has to do other than arresting Mladic in order to enter the union. EU stance is getting tougher. Jeremic might have played a great role in this, don't you think? At the end ICJ will bring nothing to Serbia other than stagnation and more conditions to enter the club.

Statements "We'll give up EU before Kosovo" are ridiculous these days. A diplomat that pretends to look west, doesn't talk this way. Entering the club is a privilege and when Jeremic and his friends even allude to putting conditions to EU, that is considered arrogance and stupidity.

Jeremic annoys the hell out of everyone. However he is praised as good diplomat just because Albanians hate him. You can bring here disgusting comparisons about Hyseni. I guess Serbs also hate Kosova's foreign minister. In that sense, the two seem to have something common. I believe too Hyseni is no fit for the position, but here is an observation that you and others always overlook. K-Albanians won their independence through diplomacy, and diplomacy means making allies. I hope you understand what I mean.

The problem is that all Serb politicians suffer from the same syndrome. They can't hide their despise against K-Albanians. I almost can "taste" how much you hate Thaci. He fought aside KLA, he throws the word "genocide" like you say, and again he and Sejdiu still stand up and say "We are for good relations with all our neighbors, including Serbia". It's almost funny how a statement like this triggers a drama in Belgrade and in this forum where hate comments some time reach unseen levels. The same is true with multi-ethnic card. Whenever Tadic or Jeremic talk, they only mention non-Albanians in Kosova, roughly 8-9% of population. Two sentences later ‘Kosovo is Serbia”.

Sorry Mike Serbia does not have any diplomacy. The only thing that Serbia has is Russia, and that’s that.

blero

pre 15 godina

(Greg, 30 January 2009 10:09)

Unfortunately Greg, I agree with you and you analogy.
There is no denying that Jeremic and Serbian politicians are way more active than Kosovo politicians.
I personally would not mind to see the complete Kosovo political elite be replaced with people that actually have the desire to work for Kosovo.
Joking aside, if our foreign minister (Mr. Skender Hyseni) gave only 5% of what Jeremic is doing we would harvest the fruits of the work by now.
Sometimes I actually ask myself if mister Hyseni actually works for Serbia (a joke).
Well, if you don’t work for the home time, you must be working for the other side.
Not fulfilling your duties benefits the opposition.
To make things worst, the job that Jeremic has ahead is miles harder than the job that Skender Hyseni has.
Jeremic must always approach things in a defensive way (taking in account the recent actions done by Serbia in Kosovo).
On the other side Skender Hyseni does not have that obstacle.
As a matter a fact that is the head-start that Skender Hyseni would have in any discussion.
I guess, Serbian politicians are laughing “all the way to the bank” until we have Skender Hyseni representing us.
And why not, I would do the same if they had Draskovic or Seselj representing them.
I cannot understand (nor comprehend) how can we have Skender Hyseni in politics and have Veton Surroi out of it.
Going back to football, I would say that at the present we are still on the lead 5:3 with a referee that does not take sides.
Until we have Hyseni and they have Jeremic I can see much more work to be done by the person that replaces Mr. Hyseni.
I cannot see the result getting any closer (unless if we are stuck with Mr Hyseni for a long time).

pss

pre 15 godina

The fact that he must meet with Zannier in New York shows how tight a control UNMIK has on Kosovo.
Very difficult to manage day to day operations 4000 miles away. I guess that is why UNMIK has turned most all control over to local government.

ZK

pre 15 godina

I just love it how the K-Albanians have more interest in Serbian politicians than ethnic Serbians. Well, I know you guys are in denial but they are your real political leaders after all.

But don't worry, I'm sure your equivalent puppet and illegal "foreign minister" will soon have enough funds for a trip to Skopje. If it helps, I'll throw in a couple dinars.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

@Peggy:

don´t lose your head about miri, she doesn´t comprehend much of what she´s writing about.

the funniest thing about it is, that not only miri, but some other dreamers too, really seem to believe that their socalled stillborn entity bears the fantasy-name "kosova"...

last but not least, to answer your question:

rather simple individuals tend to believe that rich poeple, rich states etc. can do what they want...

that´s exactly the reason why the k-albanians actually still live in these miserable conditions.

without a clear commitment to the rule of law, they will simply stay in their little dream ( that will sooner or later transform into a nightmare ) of "kosova".

Greg

pre 15 godina

Dear Miri, Mike. On Mr. Jeremic
First, one should mention that of course the activity of Mr. Jeremic is not an one-man show. The whole Serb Team of Foreign policy is professional, extrordinary good prepared, smart and efficient.
Miri you mentioned what Jremic doesn't tell the world about Kosovo's past. I agree, but that's obviously up to the Kosovars to deliver this part of the story. Some days ago Richard Holbrooke said to Albanians; You have to do more to get recognitions. I dont consider this to be a good advice, I think this is a warning, if you don't start working you'll be let down!
Since both Serbs and Albanians love soccer I would summarize the results on Kosovo like this: The game began with a 5:1 lead, and the referee on Albanians side. Nevertheless Mr. jeremic took up the fight and is about to equalize. Instead of start fighting Albanians are asking the referee to score for them, because Serbias Defence is just to strong.

laluc

pre 15 godina

"it's really hard to understand why Albanians have completely withdrawn from the diplomatic attempts. They have left the field to Mr. Jeremic without any kind of engagement."


Here's a few reasons:

1) Diplomacy doesn't matter much when we have the backing of the strongest nation on earth, regardless of a change in administration.

2) We know that Jeremic won't achieve anything, so why even bother.

3) We are already independent to the nations that we wanted to the most. Those who almost have 3/4 of the world's GDP. Time to party it up again come Feb 17, 09.

Alex

pre 15 godina

laluc what you say is wrong. Serbs do have a clear agenda in foreign policy and we must do the same before it is too late.Veton Suroi is the best man for the job.

stari_vujadin

pre 15 godina

This person has visited hundreds of countries EXCEPT Kosovo. How does this man ask an ambassador of Brazil to withhold recognition when he has NEVER EVER visited or been to Kosovo?
(L*O*G*I*C, 29 January 2009 17:05)

why doesn't the kosovo leadership visit serbia - ohhh that's right... they will be arrested...

and as for the 'rich' countries recognizing the udi:

WHERE HAVE U BEEN FOR THE LAST 6 MONTHS???? The USA along with their allies can't afford to make cars or build homes any longer let alone run their inefficient war machine - that's why they are selling their weapons to the newly formed 'KSF'.

In other words, GDP is is irrellevant when it comes to international law. On the other hand Russia, China, India and Brazil (who make up over 50% of the world's population) have said that they will not recognize the udi. So, before the BRIC countries become dominant (financially & militarily) on the world stage, ask yourselves this first: what speaks louder? the dollar or the will of the majority??

Milan

pre 15 godina

Blero

I have said it before and I will say it again. Surroi has smartened up. He knows that independence is a sham and its not going anywhere and so does Thaci. It will be Surroi that will be representing the K-ALbs in dialogue with Belgrade regarding the status of Kosovo-Metohija's autonomy within Serbia. Please understand this.

blero

pre 15 godina

(Milan, 2 February 2009 07:38)

Milan let us not put the carriage before the horse now.
I can guaranty now (and for thousands years to come) the there will not be any discussions about any autonomy for Kosovo within Serbia.
The only discussions about any autonomy that might take place might be for the remaining Albanians outside Kosovo (in Serbia), e.g. Preshava Valey.
The fact that our foreign ministry has not delivered is something that they will have to be investigated and appropriate measures will have to be taken.
Surroi as far as I am concerned is 5000% better choice for the job.
But Milan please do not believe at any time that he will be discussing anything like you said.
Look at his family tree.
It is very annoying to see people read a comment and then give it their own twist it to suit their angle (as you have done here).

theKosovar

pre 15 godina

one thing i envy Jeremic is his air miles, damn he must be gold by now, i guess i've got a way to go to get to gold, just been downgraded from silver to normal now :(

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Resolution 1244 has been violated for a long time now. UDI is a gross violation of this.

Let's hope that something is done about this now.
He is meeting with the right people and I'm sure they will not be able to brush this under the table any longer.

So long to your illegal UDI Kosovo.

Malsor

pre 15 godina

"...and “the exceptionally disturbing developments in Kosovo,” explaining that, by this, he meant the creation of the “paramilitary, so-called Kosovo Security Forces.” "

Let me guess, Kosovo je Srbja and nothing has changed? This guy is hilarious acting as if UN controls it. 1244 didn't stop Feb 17th and the 'so-called security force' was part of Ahtisaari plan that Jeremic knew it will be implemented

Z

pre 15 godina

Tex- New Mexico is primarily made up of Mexicans, doesn't mean they can tear it up anyway they want. Kosovo is a part of Serbia. The Albanians have turned into an oasis for illegal drug and human trafficking that is beyond dispicable for Serbia and Europe to put with. Unbelievable.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 15 godina

This person has visited hundreds of countries EXCEPT Kosovo. How does this man ask an ambassador of Brazil to withhold recognition when he has NEVER EVER visited or been to Kosovo?

Hruz

pre 15 godina

"Exceptionally disturbing events in Kosovo" are only what you and your cronies do in the North.

Should stop acting like an unwelcome travelling agent.

Ron

pre 15 godina

EA,

(1) Kosovo is a Serbian province so I don't get what you mean...

(2) It is Kosovo, not Kosova. Please learn correct English.

Thanks in advance!

Alban

pre 15 godina

>> "The best Jeremic can do with the KSF is getting the powers that be to incorporate it under the EULEX chain of command, thus classifying it as "status neutral". Internal security is a good thing: it provides jobs, and, well, security."

It will not happen Mike. The whole point is to have Kosova have something that looks like an army, like states do. KSF is already active and reports to Kosova's Parliament, not EU or NATO (at least in theory)

Any change to that would not be accepted

Ron

pre 15 godina

UN must act strongly against any violation of 1244. No matter which side violates it!

Especially the Western nations should act deceisively against illegal Kosovo independence that breaches international law.

The free world must act NOW!

EA

pre 15 godina

and “the exceptionally disturbing developments in Kosovo,” explaining that, by this, he meant the creation of the “paramilitary, so-called Kosovo Security Forces.”
What it can be disturbing for Serbia is fine for Kosova and that what is matter most. Serbia should care more her own problem in Serbia and stop stiring the waters in Kosova.

miri

pre 15 godina

It's really hard to understand why Albanians have completely withdrawn from the diplomatic attempts. They have left the field to Mr. Jeremic without any kind of engagement. Dear Kosovars, is this really ALL you can offer.
Honestly Mr. Jeremic, Congratulation for this tireless engagement and hard work. Indeed Harvard pays out!
(Greg, 29 January 2009 18:21)

Mr. Jeremic has truly been active. However the results of his demagogical achievements are in question. Since he has been Serbia's FM, Kosova has declared inependence, 54 countries (making up 70% of world's GDP) have recognized it. Ahtisaari plan has been implemented almost to it's full scale (at least over 95% of its population). Kosova's constitution was approved, its nucleus of armed forces created with the blessing of NATO. Bilateral diplomatic missions are being set with countries that have recognized the new republic. Furthermore, the multi-ethnic emphasis and language coming out of Pristina is a blow in the face to Jeremic, who despite his tireless and active diplomat, has created an image of a demagogue rather than of a diplomat. To K-Albanian benefit, Jeremic never talks about the problem itself, which is why Kosova declared independence, he keeps talking about Int. Law being broken as if this is something that took place overnight by insulting the very efforts that the West put into solving this issue for almost a decade. With all due respect Jeremic is a failure. Not to say that Hyseni is any better, but Jeremic degree doesn't impress anyone.

Harvard Kennedy School of Government?

Pffft..... My wife went there too.

Greg

pre 15 godina

It's really hard to understand why Albanians have completely withdrawn from the diplomatic attempts. They have left the field to Mr. Jeremic without any kind of engagement. Dear Kosovars, is this really ALL you can offer.
Honestly Mr. Jeremic, Congratulation for this tireless engagement and hard work. Indeed Harvard pays out!

Mike

pre 15 godina

Careful miri. You don't want some of your halcyonic statements coming back to haunt you in the near future. Yes, Jeremic hasn't been able to completely halt recognitions of Kosovo. But remember, he's only one man. And for one man, he's doing far more than any Foreign Minister I know can do. Putting him on the same level as Skender Hyseni is an insult. The bacteria in my kitchen sink travels more than Hyseni does.

If recognitions are only coming in from minor US dependencies, I'd say eventually recognitions are going to hit a wall and halt.

Jeremic has done much to disrupt Kosovo's alleged sovereignty. From brokering an agreement with EULEX that effectively neutered Pristina's internal sovereignty to getting enough votes to take the entire matter to the ICJ (6 "no" votes to a whole bunch of "absentions" even by countries like Britain, France, and Germany), to now this.

If Jeremic is told there's nothing he can do to stop the KSF, which I suspect will happen, he can at least get the EU to back off implementing the KSF in Serb municipalities (which is what he really wants anyway), or just place it under the control of EULEX. The EU is not interested in creating more conflict, and as they've done in the past, they'll compromise Kosovo's legitimacy if need be. You can poke fun at him all you like, but it's only a sign of frustration as just "one man's" ability in limiting the control of an alleged country that's supposedly supported by, and this is by Albanian accounts, 95% of the free world.

Still pretty darn impressive by my count.

And what, praytell, can you find of "multiethnic emphasis and language" coming out of Pristina? Unless it's a cue-card Thaci is forced to recite for BBC reporters, the only thing I've heard from this lunatic are crackpot statements with the word "genocide" liberally thrown around.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Mr. Jeremic has truly been active. However the results of his demagogical achievements are in question. Since he has been Serbia's FM, Kosova has declared inependence, 54 countries (making up 70% of world's GDP) have recognized it.

Miri, why do you Albanians have to keep saying how the rich countries have spoken and that's it. So, only the rich have a say in what happens and that's how the law should be?

This only makes what they have done even more disgusting.

pss

pre 15 godina

The fact that he must meet with Zannier in New York shows how tight a control UNMIK has on Kosovo.
Very difficult to manage day to day operations 4000 miles away. I guess that is why UNMIK has turned most all control over to local government.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

@Peggy:

don´t lose your head about miri, she doesn´t comprehend much of what she´s writing about.

the funniest thing about it is, that not only miri, but some other dreamers too, really seem to believe that their socalled stillborn entity bears the fantasy-name "kosova"...

last but not least, to answer your question:

rather simple individuals tend to believe that rich poeple, rich states etc. can do what they want...

that´s exactly the reason why the k-albanians actually still live in these miserable conditions.

without a clear commitment to the rule of law, they will simply stay in their little dream ( that will sooner or later transform into a nightmare ) of "kosova".

Mike

pre 15 godina

The best Jeremic can do with the KSF is getting the powers that be to incorporate it under the EULEX chain of command, thus classifying it as "status neutral". Internal security is a good thing: it provides jobs, and, well, security.

And yes, I too envy Jeremic's travel plans. Gold star member? He's seriously platinum at this point. But that's what foreign ministers do - they travel.

genc

pre 15 godina

The free world must act NOW!
(Ron, 29 January 2009 18:38)

You're late Ron, the free world has acted . If you and I share the same idea of the free world, which I hope we do share, 95% of it has acted by recognizing.

As for 1244: the UN and the free world didn't act when Serbs set up parallel structures violating it; this 1244 seems to be open to every possible interpretation. That makes it obsolete and useless (as it is showing itself since years, not since Feb. 17 2008).

ZK

pre 15 godina

I just love it how the K-Albanians have more interest in Serbian politicians than ethnic Serbians. Well, I know you guys are in denial but they are your real political leaders after all.

But don't worry, I'm sure your equivalent puppet and illegal "foreign minister" will soon have enough funds for a trip to Skopje. If it helps, I'll throw in a couple dinars.

laluc

pre 15 godina

"it's really hard to understand why Albanians have completely withdrawn from the diplomatic attempts. They have left the field to Mr. Jeremic without any kind of engagement."


Here's a few reasons:

1) Diplomacy doesn't matter much when we have the backing of the strongest nation on earth, regardless of a change in administration.

2) We know that Jeremic won't achieve anything, so why even bother.

3) We are already independent to the nations that we wanted to the most. Those who almost have 3/4 of the world's GDP. Time to party it up again come Feb 17, 09.

miri

pre 15 godina

Miri, why do you Albanians have to keep saying how the rich countries have spoken and that's it..
(Peggy, 29 January 2009 23:24)

Simply because it does matter. It always has been and it will always be that it does matter a lot who your allies are.

Back to Mike.
Jeremic is very active, that I cannot deny. However working harder doesn't mean working smarter. The only "success" that Jeremic can claim is being able to take the issue at ICJ. Jeremic thinks is a victory but he is simply a demagogue. ICJ doesn't have any importance whatever the decision is, in the meanwhile he is being warned that this act will jeopardize Serbia's relation with EU. Many commenting here have started to throw dirt at EU as back-stabbers. The signals are coming clear from EU what ELSE Serbia has to do other than arresting Mladic in order to enter the union. EU stance is getting tougher. Jeremic might have played a great role in this, don't you think? At the end ICJ will bring nothing to Serbia other than stagnation and more conditions to enter the club.

Statements "We'll give up EU before Kosovo" are ridiculous these days. A diplomat that pretends to look west, doesn't talk this way. Entering the club is a privilege and when Jeremic and his friends even allude to putting conditions to EU, that is considered arrogance and stupidity.

Jeremic annoys the hell out of everyone. However he is praised as good diplomat just because Albanians hate him. You can bring here disgusting comparisons about Hyseni. I guess Serbs also hate Kosova's foreign minister. In that sense, the two seem to have something common. I believe too Hyseni is no fit for the position, but here is an observation that you and others always overlook. K-Albanians won their independence through diplomacy, and diplomacy means making allies. I hope you understand what I mean.

The problem is that all Serb politicians suffer from the same syndrome. They can't hide their despise against K-Albanians. I almost can "taste" how much you hate Thaci. He fought aside KLA, he throws the word "genocide" like you say, and again he and Sejdiu still stand up and say "We are for good relations with all our neighbors, including Serbia". It's almost funny how a statement like this triggers a drama in Belgrade and in this forum where hate comments some time reach unseen levels. The same is true with multi-ethnic card. Whenever Tadic or Jeremic talk, they only mention non-Albanians in Kosova, roughly 8-9% of population. Two sentences later ‘Kosovo is Serbia”.

Sorry Mike Serbia does not have any diplomacy. The only thing that Serbia has is Russia, and that’s that.

Greg

pre 15 godina

Dear Miri, Mike. On Mr. Jeremic
First, one should mention that of course the activity of Mr. Jeremic is not an one-man show. The whole Serb Team of Foreign policy is professional, extrordinary good prepared, smart and efficient.
Miri you mentioned what Jremic doesn't tell the world about Kosovo's past. I agree, but that's obviously up to the Kosovars to deliver this part of the story. Some days ago Richard Holbrooke said to Albanians; You have to do more to get recognitions. I dont consider this to be a good advice, I think this is a warning, if you don't start working you'll be let down!
Since both Serbs and Albanians love soccer I would summarize the results on Kosovo like this: The game began with a 5:1 lead, and the referee on Albanians side. Nevertheless Mr. jeremic took up the fight and is about to equalize. Instead of start fighting Albanians are asking the referee to score for them, because Serbias Defence is just to strong.

stari_vujadin

pre 15 godina

This person has visited hundreds of countries EXCEPT Kosovo. How does this man ask an ambassador of Brazil to withhold recognition when he has NEVER EVER visited or been to Kosovo?
(L*O*G*I*C, 29 January 2009 17:05)

why doesn't the kosovo leadership visit serbia - ohhh that's right... they will be arrested...

and as for the 'rich' countries recognizing the udi:

WHERE HAVE U BEEN FOR THE LAST 6 MONTHS???? The USA along with their allies can't afford to make cars or build homes any longer let alone run their inefficient war machine - that's why they are selling their weapons to the newly formed 'KSF'.

In other words, GDP is is irrellevant when it comes to international law. On the other hand Russia, China, India and Brazil (who make up over 50% of the world's population) have said that they will not recognize the udi. So, before the BRIC countries become dominant (financially & militarily) on the world stage, ask yourselves this first: what speaks louder? the dollar or the will of the majority??

Alex

pre 15 godina

laluc what you say is wrong. Serbs do have a clear agenda in foreign policy and we must do the same before it is too late.Veton Suroi is the best man for the job.

blero

pre 15 godina

(Greg, 30 January 2009 10:09)

Unfortunately Greg, I agree with you and you analogy.
There is no denying that Jeremic and Serbian politicians are way more active than Kosovo politicians.
I personally would not mind to see the complete Kosovo political elite be replaced with people that actually have the desire to work for Kosovo.
Joking aside, if our foreign minister (Mr. Skender Hyseni) gave only 5% of what Jeremic is doing we would harvest the fruits of the work by now.
Sometimes I actually ask myself if mister Hyseni actually works for Serbia (a joke).
Well, if you don’t work for the home time, you must be working for the other side.
Not fulfilling your duties benefits the opposition.
To make things worst, the job that Jeremic has ahead is miles harder than the job that Skender Hyseni has.
Jeremic must always approach things in a defensive way (taking in account the recent actions done by Serbia in Kosovo).
On the other side Skender Hyseni does not have that obstacle.
As a matter a fact that is the head-start that Skender Hyseni would have in any discussion.
I guess, Serbian politicians are laughing “all the way to the bank” until we have Skender Hyseni representing us.
And why not, I would do the same if they had Draskovic or Seselj representing them.
I cannot understand (nor comprehend) how can we have Skender Hyseni in politics and have Veton Surroi out of it.
Going back to football, I would say that at the present we are still on the lead 5:3 with a referee that does not take sides.
Until we have Hyseni and they have Jeremic I can see much more work to be done by the person that replaces Mr. Hyseni.
I cannot see the result getting any closer (unless if we are stuck with Mr Hyseni for a long time).

Milan

pre 15 godina

Blero

I have said it before and I will say it again. Surroi has smartened up. He knows that independence is a sham and its not going anywhere and so does Thaci. It will be Surroi that will be representing the K-ALbs in dialogue with Belgrade regarding the status of Kosovo-Metohija's autonomy within Serbia. Please understand this.

blero

pre 15 godina

(Milan, 2 February 2009 07:38)

Milan let us not put the carriage before the horse now.
I can guaranty now (and for thousands years to come) the there will not be any discussions about any autonomy for Kosovo within Serbia.
The only discussions about any autonomy that might take place might be for the remaining Albanians outside Kosovo (in Serbia), e.g. Preshava Valey.
The fact that our foreign ministry has not delivered is something that they will have to be investigated and appropriate measures will have to be taken.
Surroi as far as I am concerned is 5000% better choice for the job.
But Milan please do not believe at any time that he will be discussing anything like you said.
Look at his family tree.
It is very annoying to see people read a comment and then give it their own twist it to suit their angle (as you have done here).