NATO: Serbs welcome in KSF

miri

uck has not had any control north of ibar for a long time now, nor will you in the future. It will take a lot of time, but we will regain control of our entire Holy Land when the time is right.

After all the crimes uck has committed you still have the nerve to portray Serbs as monsters.SHAME!

miri you are wrong and I suspect you know it.
Serbia (lets face it in this case we are talking about Tadic here).. Tadic would want to bring the Serbian army to the border and yes he would create serious pressure if there were any attacks on ordinary Serbs living in these sectors, he would insist that if international troops can not protect minorities in Kosovo then the Serbian army can.

But, and this is a big but I reject what you imply that somehow Tadic will return Serbian troops or as you call it 'invade' Kosovo. This isn't his style and is his mandate was not to reclaim Kosovo in this way - his whole mandate was to re-establish Serbian control over Kosovo using legal and diplomatic means.

Yes, that upsets some Serbs, but most Serbs support Tadic's position. After all in recent history a proper go at good Serbian diplomacy has not been given a chance and to date this government is doing a fair job on the subject.

Now I don't know if you are lying to yourself about the intentions of Tadic or if you are saying this to try to show that Serbs are bloodthirsty, but I assure you what you say is not true.

I know this Serbian government better than they know themselves ('what would they do if', 'what would they say if'), even if I disagree with some of their policies.

On the subject its quite simple, if no Serbs join this new force then it is a failure and international authorities must reasses the plan.

Generally speaking they have to come up with something that will peel the Kosovo Serbs away from Belgrade. However, if there is still huge problems with such basic topics such as limited freedom of movement, no thanks to international forces, there is very little chance of success in the 'multi-ethnic' project of Kosovo.

The only logical outcome of this is creeping partition.

The only reason that Serbia wants to lift the ban on no-military zone around Kosova, is to bring its army close to the border and invade North Kosova. Tadic and co., with their Milosevic mentality, believe that after that has happened no one will interfere and all the powers will accept "the reality in the ground". The naivety of serbian politicians is outstanding.

"Generally speaking they have to come up with something that will peel the Kosovo Serbs away from Belgrade. However, if there is still huge problems with such basic topics such as limited freedom of movement, no thanks to international forces, there is very little chance of success in the 'multi-ethnic' project of Kosovo. "

Like Serbia 'peeled' Presevo Albanians? Kosova should secure the border and offer Serbs what Ahtisaari said, and that's it. No one can force them to participate.

As for partition: when Serbia partitions Presheva to us. 5% of the population can't hold 95% hostage, they can participate or sit it out.

“no one can force the Serbs to participate in the Kosovo Security Forces.”

I totally agree. No forcing, in a free country they should have the right not to participate. Increase it to 5000 and reserve 500 spots for Serbs

bganon,

Would you believe the Serbs if you were an Albanian, be honest.

Leaving all motives aside,
you and Miri actually agree.

Finally, what is this comment, on your part, supposed to accomplish:

I know this Serbian government better than they know themselves ('what would they do if', 'what would they say if'), even if I disagree with some of their policies.

I look forward to your response.

It will be really interesting to see how many Serbs you can bribe into the KSF.

As for partition: when Serbia partitions Presheva to us. 5% of the population can't hold 95% hostage, they can participate or sit it out.

I go to cafe in London where 95% of the people in the cafe are Serbian, they are thinking of demanding that it be turned into the Independant cafe of Serbia as only 5% of the population of the cafe are British.

The Albanians living in Serbia, of which Kosovo is a province, and other Balkan states, who crave some kind of independant valley or village of Albanians, should learn to be grateful for living in countries that are economically more successful than their mother Albania.

Migration and mixing with others is called the modern world.

When you talk of population percentages and you have the right to change internationally recognised borders because your race is the majority race in that region is intolerant and racist. I can't help thinking you are living in the dark ages. Can you imagine what would happen to the civilised world if we employed this theory of deciding who we are and under what rule we would live. God help us. Come and join us in the modern world Albania and Albanians. Recognise where you live and who your neighbours are.

Peace and tolerance to all.

'Would you believe the Serbs if you were an Albanian, be honest.'

Not particularly no, but I would have more respect for the likes of Tadic than Milosevic. Were I Albanian I would know that the two men are not alike. Were Tadic in power in that 90's period he would have above all negoatiated any conflicts. But there would have still been some kind of war, yes.
As an Albanian I would also have a certain amount of respect for the variety of opinion in Serbia.

On the other hand as a Serb would I trust Albanians to rule over me?

Notice that the choice is not between Serbian rule over Albanians and Albanian rule of Serbs. I'm not unrealistic enough to suggest that Albanians just change their minds and decide to remain under Belgrade's control.

What I advocate is a true compromise. We are still some way away from this, but nonetheless its the only way Kosovo can have any future. The Albanian view of just driving ahead with the state and ignoring Serbs if they don't want to take part will run into one hurdle after another. At the very least the cooperation of Kosovo Serbs is needed but I would argue that the agreement of a solid minority / majority of Serbians is necessary for lasting peace and so that Kosovo can move forward with economic development.

Michael John I was just pointing out the obvious. Its a little embarassing but sometimes I will write something here and the next day you will have a statement from Tadic to the same effect. I'm also well aware of the arguments within DS and the governing coalition on different issues. Also I understand the way this political system works. With this in mind you can usually tell what the Serbian government's next move is going to be.

We don't need this 'army' at all. This country already has an arm: the Serbian army.

Albanians can of course participate in the Serbian army.

Yes, like Germans in Belgium can be part of the Belgium army.

Stop this Balkan nonsensen please. We in the West are getting sick of it. And it costs us billions of euros a year. Stop it!

genc,

Indeed, money is not the biggest problem. The problem is the Albanians 'cheated'.

For the 1000th time:

WE INTERVENED TO STOP THE KILLING NOT TO CREATE A NEW STATE.

If you wanted an independent state had said so in 1999 and there would probably never been an intervention.

Why should we act as the air force of the KLF?

And genc, again, why not Osstia and Abkhazia? But why only Kosovo?

Is an Albanian worth more then a Ossete?

Malsor,

Unfortunately 5% can keep hostage a population of 95% for quite long.

Check out south slovakia, pure Hungarian population of a million was ripped out in 1920, and kept within this artificial statelet.

This country already has an arm: the Serbian army.

Albanians can of course participate in the Serbian army.

Yes, like Germans in Belgium can be part of the Belgium army.

Stop this Balkan nonsensen please. We in the West are getting sick of it. And it costs us billions of euros a year. Stop it!
(Ron, 29 January 2009 18:46)

Ron, that army caused the mess in Kosovo. Read 1244.

Thanks for the generous offer. In Yugoslavia there was some Albanian partecipating in the army (Agim Ceku e.g.).

I haven't met anyone sick in the West because of Kosovo Ron. Almost everyone ignores the issue, especially now. I mean, the French strike of today wasn't because of Kosovo. And the world recesion of course not.

You didn't move a single finger to stop the war when it broke off. You called the USA to fix things, as always in European tradition since WW1 (not to speak of Dutch conduct in Srebrenica). And you're complaining about some bilions now? Ron, you always keep talking about money. Is it true what they say "As generous as a Dutch"? It's a pity that those who lost their lives (all of them) can't answer.

The only reason that Serbia wants to lift the ban on no-military zone around Kosova, is to bring its army close to the border and invade North Kosova. Tadic and co., with their Milosevic mentality, believe that after that has happened no one will interfere and all the powers will accept "the reality in the ground". The naivety of serbian politicians is outstanding.

miri

uck has not had any control north of ibar for a long time now, nor will you in the future. It will take a lot of time, but we will regain control of our entire Holy Land when the time is right.

After all the crimes uck has committed you still have the nerve to portray Serbs as monsters.SHAME!

“no one can force the Serbs to participate in the Kosovo Security Forces.”

I totally agree. No forcing, in a free country they should have the right not to participate. Increase it to 5000 and reserve 500 spots for Serbs

"Generally speaking they have to come up with something that will peel the Kosovo Serbs away from Belgrade. However, if there is still huge problems with such basic topics such as limited freedom of movement, no thanks to international forces, there is very little chance of success in the 'multi-ethnic' project of Kosovo. "

Like Serbia 'peeled' Presevo Albanians? Kosova should secure the border and offer Serbs what Ahtisaari said, and that's it. No one can force them to participate.

As for partition: when Serbia partitions Presheva to us. 5% of the population can't hold 95% hostage, they can participate or sit it out.

miri you are wrong and I suspect you know it.
Serbia (lets face it in this case we are talking about Tadic here).. Tadic would want to bring the Serbian army to the border and yes he would create serious pressure if there were any attacks on ordinary Serbs living in these sectors, he would insist that if international troops can not protect minorities in Kosovo then the Serbian army can.

But, and this is a big but I reject what you imply that somehow Tadic will return Serbian troops or as you call it 'invade' Kosovo. This isn't his style and is his mandate was not to reclaim Kosovo in this way - his whole mandate was to re-establish Serbian control over Kosovo using legal and diplomatic means.

Yes, that upsets some Serbs, but most Serbs support Tadic's position. After all in recent history a proper go at good Serbian diplomacy has not been given a chance and to date this government is doing a fair job on the subject.

Now I don't know if you are lying to yourself about the intentions of Tadic or if you are saying this to try to show that Serbs are bloodthirsty, but I assure you what you say is not true.

I know this Serbian government better than they know themselves ('what would they do if', 'what would they say if'), even if I disagree with some of their policies.

On the subject its quite simple, if no Serbs join this new force then it is a failure and international authorities must reasses the plan.

Generally speaking they have to come up with something that will peel the Kosovo Serbs away from Belgrade. However, if there is still huge problems with such basic topics such as limited freedom of movement, no thanks to international forces, there is very little chance of success in the 'multi-ethnic' project of Kosovo.

The only logical outcome of this is creeping partition.

bganon,

Would you believe the Serbs if you were an Albanian, be honest.

Leaving all motives aside,
you and Miri actually agree.

Finally, what is this comment, on your part, supposed to accomplish:

I know this Serbian government better than they know themselves ('what would they do if', 'what would they say if'), even if I disagree with some of their policies.

I look forward to your response.

Malsor,

Unfortunately 5% can keep hostage a population of 95% for quite long.

Check out south slovakia, pure Hungarian population of a million was ripped out in 1920, and kept within this artificial statelet.

This country already has an arm: the Serbian army.

Albanians can of course participate in the Serbian army.

Yes, like Germans in Belgium can be part of the Belgium army.

Stop this Balkan nonsensen please. We in the West are getting sick of it. And it costs us billions of euros a year. Stop it!
(Ron, 29 January 2009 18:46)

Ron, that army caused the mess in Kosovo. Read 1244.

Thanks for the generous offer. In Yugoslavia there was some Albanian partecipating in the army (Agim Ceku e.g.).

I haven't met anyone sick in the West because of Kosovo Ron. Almost everyone ignores the issue, especially now. I mean, the French strike of today wasn't because of Kosovo. And the world recesion of course not.

You didn't move a single finger to stop the war when it broke off. You called the USA to fix things, as always in European tradition since WW1 (not to speak of Dutch conduct in Srebrenica). And you're complaining about some bilions now? Ron, you always keep talking about money. Is it true what they say "As generous as a Dutch"? It's a pity that those who lost their lives (all of them) can't answer.

genc,

Indeed, money is not the biggest problem. The problem is the Albanians 'cheated'.

For the 1000th time:

WE INTERVENED TO STOP THE KILLING NOT TO CREATE A NEW STATE.

If you wanted an independent state had said so in 1999 and there would probably never been an intervention.

Why should we act as the air force of the KLF?

And genc, again, why not Osstia and Abkhazia? But why only Kosovo?

Is an Albanian worth more then a Ossete?

As for partition: when Serbia partitions Presheva to us. 5% of the population can't hold 95% hostage, they can participate or sit it out.

I go to cafe in London where 95% of the people in the cafe are Serbian, they are thinking of demanding that it be turned into the Independant cafe of Serbia as only 5% of the population of the cafe are British.

The Albanians living in Serbia, of which Kosovo is a province, and other Balkan states, who crave some kind of independant valley or village of Albanians, should learn to be grateful for living in countries that are economically more successful than their mother Albania.

Migration and mixing with others is called the modern world.

When you talk of population percentages and you have the right to change internationally recognised borders because your race is the majority race in that region is intolerant and racist. I can't help thinking you are living in the dark ages. Can you imagine what would happen to the civilised world if we employed this theory of deciding who we are and under what rule we would live. God help us. Come and join us in the modern world Albania and Albanians. Recognise where you live and who your neighbours are.

Peace and tolerance to all.

It will be really interesting to see how many Serbs you can bribe into the KSF.

We don't need this 'army' at all. This country already has an arm: the Serbian army.

Albanians can of course participate in the Serbian army.

Yes, like Germans in Belgium can be part of the Belgium army.

Stop this Balkan nonsensen please. We in the West are getting sick of it. And it costs us billions of euros a year. Stop it!

'Would you believe the Serbs if you were an Albanian, be honest.'

Not particularly no, but I would have more respect for the likes of Tadic than Milosevic. Were I Albanian I would know that the two men are not alike. Were Tadic in power in that 90's period he would have above all negoatiated any conflicts. But there would have still been some kind of war, yes.
As an Albanian I would also have a certain amount of respect for the variety of opinion in Serbia.

On the other hand as a Serb would I trust Albanians to rule over me?

Notice that the choice is not between Serbian rule over Albanians and Albanian rule of Serbs. I'm not unrealistic enough to suggest that Albanians just change their minds and decide to remain under Belgrade's control.

What I advocate is a true compromise. We are still some way away from this, but nonetheless its the only way Kosovo can have any future. The Albanian view of just driving ahead with the state and ignoring Serbs if they don't want to take part will run into one hurdle after another. At the very least the cooperation of Kosovo Serbs is needed but I would argue that the agreement of a solid minority / majority of Serbians is necessary for lasting peace and so that Kosovo can move forward with economic development.

Michael John I was just pointing out the obvious. Its a little embarassing but sometimes I will write something here and the next day you will have a statement from Tadic to the same effect. I'm also well aware of the arguments within DS and the governing coalition on different issues. Also I understand the way this political system works. With this in mind you can usually tell what the Serbian government's next move is going to be.