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Monday, 26.01.2009.

10:04

"Thaci government losing Kosovo"

Ramush Haradinaj says that the Kosovo Albanian government led by Hashim Thaci is "losing Kosovo with each passing day", local media in Priština are reporting.

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Rosselsprung

pre 15 godina

Albanians will lose Kosovo...definately. It's just a matter of time before Serbia reclaims what is rightfully hers. It hasn,t even been 10 years since the NATO occupation began and already Albanians are panicking. If the Turks occupied Kosovo for 500 and the Serbs still liberated Kosovo; What's another 5-10 yrs of NATO-Albanian occupation.
I don't really care what Albanian is predident nor prime minister of Kosovo...one thing is clear...Albanians will lose control of Kosovo no matter who is in charge.
Long live Serbian Kosovo!!!!!

franklin

pre 15 godina

Ben, please understand that your ignorance has led you to a land mine. You said: "No democratic state uses her army against her citizens"
Please read the following.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

Don't just say you did. The Democratic nation of Ohio send their military onto a School Campus and killed some of the demonstrators. Democratic Nation indeed. This happens to be part of the nation that Kosovar Albanians take all of the lessons of Democracy from.
And as I recall, in the 90's the JNA didn't fight farmers in as much as Kosovars mobilized and left their country. NATO was forced to come into it and it was NATO's 78 illegal bombing campaign (another Democratic organization attacking civilians -- weird insn't it). It took the involvement of Russia's Ambassadorial efforts to end the bombing campaign and not the might of the donkey riding pick-fork toting farmers.
FYROM didn't declare UDI, they arranged peacfully and democratically with Jugoslavia to leave, and yes FYROM is a recognized country, as FYROM and not Macedonia as they would wish it to be. Unlike Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo FYROM took the correct legal approaches. The only rumblings from FYROM I've herad are either directed at Greece due to the name dispute or FYROM's Albanian contingency, who wish to spark more instability through another UDI.
Is this going to be a standard tactic taken by Albanian minorities? If so I would suggest that Germany, Switzerland, hell the rest of the EU be careful, otherwise it will have been written that in some godforsaken long lost era that the Illyrian lived there once.
"For the people that thing to know but actually know very little:" Were you looking into a mirror when you wrote this? Just a question.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Niall,

"a protectorate that is dependent on handouts"

1. Show me which handouts! The fact is that the EU and the US have not been handing out that much lately.

2. A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.
(Nick KS, 26 January 2009 11:43)"

this Nick... is he seriously talking about an "army"???
he obviously never served the military, otherwise he would know what an army really is.

and...has he forgotten about the german BND-reports about the albanian mafia-clan-businesses in southern Serbia?

some of these guys really make me smile...

L*O*G*I*C

pre 15 godina

Another provocative article published by B92 that only rallies up pro-Serbia or ultra-radical commenters. Has B92 turned into a gossip tabloid following the lives of Kosovo Elite? It must be, this is the most popular, most visited, and most commented section of B92.

What will Thaci do next? Will he marry Elvana Gjata? What about the suspicious call from Maddona? Buy the next issue next week to see what happens next.

Note: I am not being very serious today.

ben

pre 15 godina

I don't know for how long people that believe to know about things here in Balkans will continua to post naive things.

Kosova is assisted by EU & NATO because her instability will be contagious for the neighbouring countries.

For the people that thing to know but actually know very little: the so called MACEDONIA (FYROM) was assisted by the US and UN via UMPROFOR troops for several years since her UDI (there is no such a thing as a coordinated declaration of independence). Additional to UMPROFOR, US deployed her marines.

Is/was FYROM independent country??? Same goes to Kosova today.

To the one that bark here with VS: dream on!

Your army trained and equipped for 60 years had more than 2 years time to deal with self-organized farmers in the 90s.

You will NEVER have chance to fight farmers again. It might not be the strongest army in Europe but certainly it is not a self-organized farmers carrying ammos with donkeys.

Peace to all of you including the one that think that the northern Kosova can be integrated throw use of force. No democratic state uses her army against her citizens. At the very first moment that you use the force you declare that in that part of the country your sovereignty is only on paper. Serbia did and see what happened.

genc

pre 15 godina

All we need to do is sit back...nothing else is needed.

We're now waiting for this chapter to be written in Del Ponte's book!
(GSP, 26 January 2009 18:54)

Yes, all what you need to do is to sit back and relax reading some good thriller, if you are fond of that kind of reading. I can recomend Agatha Christie also, she's much better than Del Ponte.

Nothing else is needed and nothing else you can do.

Mike

pre 15 godina

Well I'm not surprised one of Thaci's own clan members is calling him out on his political ineptitude. Once someone starts to play the ethnic card and throw the word "genocide" around freely, it's a good sign their grip on power is either coming undone, or is just losing its grip on reality.

I find Haradinaj an unsavory character but I have to agree with him here. If Kosovo is supposed to be the "newest borned state in the world", then it needs to be a little more pro-active: and by "little more", I mean something other than sitting there and expecting other powers to do their work.

I agree with Haradinaj's opinion of Veton Surroi. In my opinion, he's the closest thing to a legitimate politician in Kosovo Province, and with Jeremic running all over the world shoring up support for Serbia, the most logical thing to do would be for a K-Albanian foreign minister to follow Vuk, petitioning in the opposite. Instead, this flunky Hyseni does nothing.

However, I also agree that lots of this internal criticism is jockeying for power. Haradinaj's going to be just as unsuccessful in imposing the will of Pristina on Serb sectors. If I may take a page from the playbook of our Albanian colleagues here, Kosovo's partition is a "done deal". Forget Mitrovica, forget Leposavic, forget Gracanica. Concentrate on providing a united government for what you have (read as what the international community is giving you).

So I'm going to hold my kudos for Haradinaj not because I think he's completely wrong, but because I doubt he'll be any less hamstrung once he takes the reins of power. The international community that's running this protectorate will see to that.

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Well, he's right. Thaci is a dreamer about Euro-Atlantic integration and throws accusations of genocide around like it means nothing. He will keep Kosovo in the dark ages.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

Thaqi has become to soft against Belgrade, its time Haradinaj get the chance.
(Pejoni, 26 January 2009 14:32)

and what would Haradinaj do? Invade the north and the enclaves. If that happened, the VS would be parked outside Mr Haradinaj's front lawn drinking afternoon tea.

But really, what Haradinaj only do is just bluster, throw a few shapes and and grow fat from the extra kickbacks on the side.

He's just a poor imitation of Mayor Quimby

kate

pre 15 godina

Rolling stoned: "lowe who is 'not' "allowing" this army not to go to the north???? Serbians? what if serbians burn more houses, bomb more shops, who wont allow them then?"


Do you seriously think that the UN/ Nato would allow this provicial, virtually mono-ethnic, lightly armed security force to deal with such an event?

Or that Serbia would stand by while it happened? The UN/ Nato would never risk such a scenario.

Rote Kapelle

pre 15 godina

"Our policy has totally collapsed when it comes to security, law and order.”

*** This is the first time I agree Ramus. I am afraid the last time as well …

“ Democratic Party of Kosovo !”

*** What a strange combination of words ! I used to think they have other names for their gangs like Democratic Kidnapping Front or Liberal Traffic Union or Field Surgery Organization … ect.

genc

pre 15 godina

Haradinaj: Thaci's gov. losing Kosovo.

Kostunica: Serbia is disoriented.

Clear text: Staying in opposition suks. Sad universal truth.

And, strange enough, some people do take them seriously.

lowe

pre 15 godina

"lowe who is 'not' "allowing" this army not to go to the north???? Serbians? what if serbians burn more houses, bomb more shops, who wont allow them then?

Dont you get it that that was the reason for the army to be set up in place for. Serbians should not be threatened about a no ammunition army, whats better is that serbians can participate. Only crimminals would be against it.
so tell me again who does not allow it? Criminals?
(rollongstoned, 26 January 2009 13:01)"

A short answer to your question is this -- Nato and Eulex. With the consent of UNSC and Belgrade via 1244.

Political niceties aside, no matter what sweet words Nato and Eulex may tell Albanian ears, the reality on the ground is that both of them are there to ensure that K-Albanians do not interfere with the K-Serbs up north. The K-Serbs are running their own lives there and paying allegience to Belgrade even as Pristina fumes.

You can form 10, 100 or even a 1000 "armies" if you like. But none of them will be allowed by Nato and Eulex to go north. If you don't believe me, just get Pristina to try march a contingent of its "army" across the Ibar. Bet you my last euro that it will be stopped dead in its tracks.

rollongstoned

pre 15 godina

2. So you have an army. But it is an army that is not allowed to carry heavy weapons, not allowed to go north of the Ibar etc. Seem like a lot of caveats to me.
(lowe, 26 January 2009 12:09)


lowe who is 'not' "allowing" this army not to go to the north???? Serbians? what if serbians burn more houses, bomb more shops, who wont allow them then?

Dont you get it that that was the reason for the army to be set up in place for. Serbians should not be threatened about a no ammunition army, whats better is that serbians can participate. Only crimminals would be against it.
so tell me again who does not allow it? Criminals?

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 15 godina

There are a number of misleading items above, so lets just clarify.....

1.This is genuine example on how the TRUE democracy works in the NEWEST state in the world, the Republic of Kosovo.
(PRN, 26 January 2009 10:28)

PRN, I am quite sure that the residents of Soth Ossetia would argue your statement about being the NEWEST.

2.A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.
(Nick KS, 26 January 2009 11:43)

Nick your Security Force could hardly be called an army. A small group of with light arms does not constitute an army. The 80 or so convicts now living in the UK probably have more potent weaponry than your Security Force. In fact when I was in the Sea cadets 30 odd years ago we had more sophisticated weaponry.

lowe

pre 15 godina

"1. Show me which handouts! The fact is that the EU and the US have not been handing out that much lately.

2. A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.
(Nick KS, 26 January 2009 11:43)"

Nick KS,

1. Have you just returned from Mars or what? You got less handouts now because the West is in deep financial crisis!

2. So you have an army. But it is an army that is not allowed to carry heavy weapons, not allowed to go north of the Ibar etc. Seem like a lot of caveats to me.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

2. A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.
(Nick KS, 26 January 2009 11:43)

You think you do. A bunch of guys playing cowboys is not an army.

CG

pre 15 godina

Great news!This shows that the Albanian leadership is very concerned and rivalries are emerging within it about our recent diplomatic victories that concern our South Serbian province.
Jeremic keep it rocking!
Play them off against each other and make them suffer more!

kate

pre 15 godina

Niall: "What this shows is internal squabling amoungst a bunch or warlords who are sparring over the proceeds of organised crime. On one side we have a warlord who is head of an ineffective and corrupt administration presiding over a protectorate that is dependent on handouts while the other an equally repulsive warlord who was recently relased from the Hague after murdering and intimidating prosecution witnesses."

Exactly right. Not a great choice and certainly not icons of democracy.

To Nick KS - The 'handouts' or financial support are everywhere to see. No disrespect, but without the input from the UN, EU, US etc. there would be no administrative, social or economic structures in place at all. Kosovo is not financially viable as a self supporting entity.

As for your comment "A protectorate does not have an Army": The status of protectorate is the legal position under the UN. I fully expect them to issue a statement very soon clarifying the role of the new lightly armed security force (certainly not an army), and reassuring Boris Tadic that it is not a threat to the sovereign nation.

Let's wait and see.

lowe

pre 15 godina

"Beforre Serbs get all excited: These two have been going at each other, it's just politics. In fact only 2 months ago did a non-Serbian entity started to rule North Mitrovica--after 10 years.
(1244 e morto, 26 January 2009 10:34)"

your non-Serbian entity is also decidedly non-Albanian. Eulex is there to ensure that the ones in charge there, ie. K-Serbs, remain unmolested.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

This is a GREAT music for my ears.

Thaci & Haradinaj are both great leaders. The former is doing a great job towards leading the Republic of Kosovo into Euro-Atlantic alliaces, whereas the latter is showing his great abilities to find ways to criticise the government, as after all this is task of opposition.

This is genuine example on how the TRUE democracy works in the NEWEST state in the world, the Republic of Kosovo.
(PRN, 26 January 2009 10:28)

I have heard of the word delusional, but this post must surely take the biscuit. What this shows is internal squabling amoungst a bunch or warlords who are sparring over the proceeds of organised crime. On one side we have a warlord who is head of an ineffective and corrupt administration presiding over a protectorate that is dependent on handouts while the other an equally repulsive warlord who was recently relased from the Hague after murdering and intimidating prosecution witnesses.

Yes, the people of Kosovo have a great choice in this "genuine example on how the TRUE democracy works in the NEWEST state in the world, the Republic of Kosovo."

Nick KS

pre 15 godina

Niall,

"a protectorate that is dependent on handouts"

1. Show me which handouts! The fact is that the EU and the US have not been handing out that much lately.

2. A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.

1244 e morto

pre 15 godina

Beforre Serbs get all excited: These two have been going at each other, it's just politics. In fact only 2 months ago did a non-Serbian entity started to rule North Mitrovica--after 10 years.

PRN

pre 15 godina

This is a GREAT music for my ears.

Thaci & Haradinaj are both great leaders. The former is doing a great job towards leading the Republic of Kosovo into Euro-Atlantic alliaces, whereas the latter is showing his great abilities to find ways to criticise the government, as after all this is task of opposition.

This is genuine example on how the TRUE democracy works in the NEWEST state in the world, the Republic of Kosovo.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

This is a GREAT music for my ears.

Thaci & Haradinaj are both great leaders. The former is doing a great job towards leading the Republic of Kosovo into Euro-Atlantic alliaces, whereas the latter is showing his great abilities to find ways to criticise the government, as after all this is task of opposition.

This is genuine example on how the TRUE democracy works in the NEWEST state in the world, the Republic of Kosovo.
(PRN, 26 January 2009 10:28)

I have heard of the word delusional, but this post must surely take the biscuit. What this shows is internal squabling amoungst a bunch or warlords who are sparring over the proceeds of organised crime. On one side we have a warlord who is head of an ineffective and corrupt administration presiding over a protectorate that is dependent on handouts while the other an equally repulsive warlord who was recently relased from the Hague after murdering and intimidating prosecution witnesses.

Yes, the people of Kosovo have a great choice in this "genuine example on how the TRUE democracy works in the NEWEST state in the world, the Republic of Kosovo."

PRN

pre 15 godina

This is a GREAT music for my ears.

Thaci & Haradinaj are both great leaders. The former is doing a great job towards leading the Republic of Kosovo into Euro-Atlantic alliaces, whereas the latter is showing his great abilities to find ways to criticise the government, as after all this is task of opposition.

This is genuine example on how the TRUE democracy works in the NEWEST state in the world, the Republic of Kosovo.

lowe

pre 15 godina

"1. Show me which handouts! The fact is that the EU and the US have not been handing out that much lately.

2. A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.
(Nick KS, 26 January 2009 11:43)"

Nick KS,

1. Have you just returned from Mars or what? You got less handouts now because the West is in deep financial crisis!

2. So you have an army. But it is an army that is not allowed to carry heavy weapons, not allowed to go north of the Ibar etc. Seem like a lot of caveats to me.

kate

pre 15 godina

Niall: "What this shows is internal squabling amoungst a bunch or warlords who are sparring over the proceeds of organised crime. On one side we have a warlord who is head of an ineffective and corrupt administration presiding over a protectorate that is dependent on handouts while the other an equally repulsive warlord who was recently relased from the Hague after murdering and intimidating prosecution witnesses."

Exactly right. Not a great choice and certainly not icons of democracy.

To Nick KS - The 'handouts' or financial support are everywhere to see. No disrespect, but without the input from the UN, EU, US etc. there would be no administrative, social or economic structures in place at all. Kosovo is not financially viable as a self supporting entity.

As for your comment "A protectorate does not have an Army": The status of protectorate is the legal position under the UN. I fully expect them to issue a statement very soon clarifying the role of the new lightly armed security force (certainly not an army), and reassuring Boris Tadic that it is not a threat to the sovereign nation.

Let's wait and see.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

Thaqi has become to soft against Belgrade, its time Haradinaj get the chance.
(Pejoni, 26 January 2009 14:32)

and what would Haradinaj do? Invade the north and the enclaves. If that happened, the VS would be parked outside Mr Haradinaj's front lawn drinking afternoon tea.

But really, what Haradinaj only do is just bluster, throw a few shapes and and grow fat from the extra kickbacks on the side.

He's just a poor imitation of Mayor Quimby

CG

pre 15 godina

Great news!This shows that the Albanian leadership is very concerned and rivalries are emerging within it about our recent diplomatic victories that concern our South Serbian province.
Jeremic keep it rocking!
Play them off against each other and make them suffer more!

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 15 godina

There are a number of misleading items above, so lets just clarify.....

1.This is genuine example on how the TRUE democracy works in the NEWEST state in the world, the Republic of Kosovo.
(PRN, 26 January 2009 10:28)

PRN, I am quite sure that the residents of Soth Ossetia would argue your statement about being the NEWEST.

2.A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.
(Nick KS, 26 January 2009 11:43)

Nick your Security Force could hardly be called an army. A small group of with light arms does not constitute an army. The 80 or so convicts now living in the UK probably have more potent weaponry than your Security Force. In fact when I was in the Sea cadets 30 odd years ago we had more sophisticated weaponry.

lowe

pre 15 godina

"Beforre Serbs get all excited: These two have been going at each other, it's just politics. In fact only 2 months ago did a non-Serbian entity started to rule North Mitrovica--after 10 years.
(1244 e morto, 26 January 2009 10:34)"

your non-Serbian entity is also decidedly non-Albanian. Eulex is there to ensure that the ones in charge there, ie. K-Serbs, remain unmolested.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

2. A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.
(Nick KS, 26 January 2009 11:43)

You think you do. A bunch of guys playing cowboys is not an army.

Rote Kapelle

pre 15 godina

"Our policy has totally collapsed when it comes to security, law and order.”

*** This is the first time I agree Ramus. I am afraid the last time as well …

“ Democratic Party of Kosovo !”

*** What a strange combination of words ! I used to think they have other names for their gangs like Democratic Kidnapping Front or Liberal Traffic Union or Field Surgery Organization … ect.

kate

pre 15 godina

Rolling stoned: "lowe who is 'not' "allowing" this army not to go to the north???? Serbians? what if serbians burn more houses, bomb more shops, who wont allow them then?"


Do you seriously think that the UN/ Nato would allow this provicial, virtually mono-ethnic, lightly armed security force to deal with such an event?

Or that Serbia would stand by while it happened? The UN/ Nato would never risk such a scenario.

lowe

pre 15 godina

"lowe who is 'not' "allowing" this army not to go to the north???? Serbians? what if serbians burn more houses, bomb more shops, who wont allow them then?

Dont you get it that that was the reason for the army to be set up in place for. Serbians should not be threatened about a no ammunition army, whats better is that serbians can participate. Only crimminals would be against it.
so tell me again who does not allow it? Criminals?
(rollongstoned, 26 January 2009 13:01)"

A short answer to your question is this -- Nato and Eulex. With the consent of UNSC and Belgrade via 1244.

Political niceties aside, no matter what sweet words Nato and Eulex may tell Albanian ears, the reality on the ground is that both of them are there to ensure that K-Albanians do not interfere with the K-Serbs up north. The K-Serbs are running their own lives there and paying allegience to Belgrade even as Pristina fumes.

You can form 10, 100 or even a 1000 "armies" if you like. But none of them will be allowed by Nato and Eulex to go north. If you don't believe me, just get Pristina to try march a contingent of its "army" across the Ibar. Bet you my last euro that it will be stopped dead in its tracks.

genc

pre 15 godina

Haradinaj: Thaci's gov. losing Kosovo.

Kostunica: Serbia is disoriented.

Clear text: Staying in opposition suks. Sad universal truth.

And, strange enough, some people do take them seriously.

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Well, he's right. Thaci is a dreamer about Euro-Atlantic integration and throws accusations of genocide around like it means nothing. He will keep Kosovo in the dark ages.

Nick KS

pre 15 godina

Niall,

"a protectorate that is dependent on handouts"

1. Show me which handouts! The fact is that the EU and the US have not been handing out that much lately.

2. A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.

Mike

pre 15 godina

Well I'm not surprised one of Thaci's own clan members is calling him out on his political ineptitude. Once someone starts to play the ethnic card and throw the word "genocide" around freely, it's a good sign their grip on power is either coming undone, or is just losing its grip on reality.

I find Haradinaj an unsavory character but I have to agree with him here. If Kosovo is supposed to be the "newest borned state in the world", then it needs to be a little more pro-active: and by "little more", I mean something other than sitting there and expecting other powers to do their work.

I agree with Haradinaj's opinion of Veton Surroi. In my opinion, he's the closest thing to a legitimate politician in Kosovo Province, and with Jeremic running all over the world shoring up support for Serbia, the most logical thing to do would be for a K-Albanian foreign minister to follow Vuk, petitioning in the opposite. Instead, this flunky Hyseni does nothing.

However, I also agree that lots of this internal criticism is jockeying for power. Haradinaj's going to be just as unsuccessful in imposing the will of Pristina on Serb sectors. If I may take a page from the playbook of our Albanian colleagues here, Kosovo's partition is a "done deal". Forget Mitrovica, forget Leposavic, forget Gracanica. Concentrate on providing a united government for what you have (read as what the international community is giving you).

So I'm going to hold my kudos for Haradinaj not because I think he's completely wrong, but because I doubt he'll be any less hamstrung once he takes the reins of power. The international community that's running this protectorate will see to that.

1244 e morto

pre 15 godina

Beforre Serbs get all excited: These two have been going at each other, it's just politics. In fact only 2 months ago did a non-Serbian entity started to rule North Mitrovica--after 10 years.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Niall,

"a protectorate that is dependent on handouts"

1. Show me which handouts! The fact is that the EU and the US have not been handing out that much lately.

2. A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.
(Nick KS, 26 January 2009 11:43)"

this Nick... is he seriously talking about an "army"???
he obviously never served the military, otherwise he would know what an army really is.

and...has he forgotten about the german BND-reports about the albanian mafia-clan-businesses in southern Serbia?

some of these guys really make me smile...

ben

pre 15 godina

I don't know for how long people that believe to know about things here in Balkans will continua to post naive things.

Kosova is assisted by EU & NATO because her instability will be contagious for the neighbouring countries.

For the people that thing to know but actually know very little: the so called MACEDONIA (FYROM) was assisted by the US and UN via UMPROFOR troops for several years since her UDI (there is no such a thing as a coordinated declaration of independence). Additional to UMPROFOR, US deployed her marines.

Is/was FYROM independent country??? Same goes to Kosova today.

To the one that bark here with VS: dream on!

Your army trained and equipped for 60 years had more than 2 years time to deal with self-organized farmers in the 90s.

You will NEVER have chance to fight farmers again. It might not be the strongest army in Europe but certainly it is not a self-organized farmers carrying ammos with donkeys.

Peace to all of you including the one that think that the northern Kosova can be integrated throw use of force. No democratic state uses her army against her citizens. At the very first moment that you use the force you declare that in that part of the country your sovereignty is only on paper. Serbia did and see what happened.

rollongstoned

pre 15 godina

2. So you have an army. But it is an army that is not allowed to carry heavy weapons, not allowed to go north of the Ibar etc. Seem like a lot of caveats to me.
(lowe, 26 January 2009 12:09)


lowe who is 'not' "allowing" this army not to go to the north???? Serbians? what if serbians burn more houses, bomb more shops, who wont allow them then?

Dont you get it that that was the reason for the army to be set up in place for. Serbians should not be threatened about a no ammunition army, whats better is that serbians can participate. Only crimminals would be against it.
so tell me again who does not allow it? Criminals?

genc

pre 15 godina

All we need to do is sit back...nothing else is needed.

We're now waiting for this chapter to be written in Del Ponte's book!
(GSP, 26 January 2009 18:54)

Yes, all what you need to do is to sit back and relax reading some good thriller, if you are fond of that kind of reading. I can recomend Agatha Christie also, she's much better than Del Ponte.

Nothing else is needed and nothing else you can do.

franklin

pre 15 godina

Ben, please understand that your ignorance has led you to a land mine. You said: "No democratic state uses her army against her citizens"
Please read the following.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

Don't just say you did. The Democratic nation of Ohio send their military onto a School Campus and killed some of the demonstrators. Democratic Nation indeed. This happens to be part of the nation that Kosovar Albanians take all of the lessons of Democracy from.
And as I recall, in the 90's the JNA didn't fight farmers in as much as Kosovars mobilized and left their country. NATO was forced to come into it and it was NATO's 78 illegal bombing campaign (another Democratic organization attacking civilians -- weird insn't it). It took the involvement of Russia's Ambassadorial efforts to end the bombing campaign and not the might of the donkey riding pick-fork toting farmers.
FYROM didn't declare UDI, they arranged peacfully and democratically with Jugoslavia to leave, and yes FYROM is a recognized country, as FYROM and not Macedonia as they would wish it to be. Unlike Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo FYROM took the correct legal approaches. The only rumblings from FYROM I've herad are either directed at Greece due to the name dispute or FYROM's Albanian contingency, who wish to spark more instability through another UDI.
Is this going to be a standard tactic taken by Albanian minorities? If so I would suggest that Germany, Switzerland, hell the rest of the EU be careful, otherwise it will have been written that in some godforsaken long lost era that the Illyrian lived there once.
"For the people that thing to know but actually know very little:" Were you looking into a mirror when you wrote this? Just a question.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 15 godina

Another provocative article published by B92 that only rallies up pro-Serbia or ultra-radical commenters. Has B92 turned into a gossip tabloid following the lives of Kosovo Elite? It must be, this is the most popular, most visited, and most commented section of B92.

What will Thaci do next? Will he marry Elvana Gjata? What about the suspicious call from Maddona? Buy the next issue next week to see what happens next.

Note: I am not being very serious today.

Rosselsprung

pre 15 godina

Albanians will lose Kosovo...definately. It's just a matter of time before Serbia reclaims what is rightfully hers. It hasn,t even been 10 years since the NATO occupation began and already Albanians are panicking. If the Turks occupied Kosovo for 500 and the Serbs still liberated Kosovo; What's another 5-10 yrs of NATO-Albanian occupation.
I don't really care what Albanian is predident nor prime minister of Kosovo...one thing is clear...Albanians will lose control of Kosovo no matter who is in charge.
Long live Serbian Kosovo!!!!!

PRN

pre 15 godina

This is a GREAT music for my ears.

Thaci & Haradinaj are both great leaders. The former is doing a great job towards leading the Republic of Kosovo into Euro-Atlantic alliaces, whereas the latter is showing his great abilities to find ways to criticise the government, as after all this is task of opposition.

This is genuine example on how the TRUE democracy works in the NEWEST state in the world, the Republic of Kosovo.

Nick KS

pre 15 godina

Niall,

"a protectorate that is dependent on handouts"

1. Show me which handouts! The fact is that the EU and the US have not been handing out that much lately.

2. A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.

1244 e morto

pre 15 godina

Beforre Serbs get all excited: These two have been going at each other, it's just politics. In fact only 2 months ago did a non-Serbian entity started to rule North Mitrovica--after 10 years.

rollongstoned

pre 15 godina

2. So you have an army. But it is an army that is not allowed to carry heavy weapons, not allowed to go north of the Ibar etc. Seem like a lot of caveats to me.
(lowe, 26 January 2009 12:09)


lowe who is 'not' "allowing" this army not to go to the north???? Serbians? what if serbians burn more houses, bomb more shops, who wont allow them then?

Dont you get it that that was the reason for the army to be set up in place for. Serbians should not be threatened about a no ammunition army, whats better is that serbians can participate. Only crimminals would be against it.
so tell me again who does not allow it? Criminals?

CG

pre 15 godina

Great news!This shows that the Albanian leadership is very concerned and rivalries are emerging within it about our recent diplomatic victories that concern our South Serbian province.
Jeremic keep it rocking!
Play them off against each other and make them suffer more!

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

This is a GREAT music for my ears.

Thaci & Haradinaj are both great leaders. The former is doing a great job towards leading the Republic of Kosovo into Euro-Atlantic alliaces, whereas the latter is showing his great abilities to find ways to criticise the government, as after all this is task of opposition.

This is genuine example on how the TRUE democracy works in the NEWEST state in the world, the Republic of Kosovo.
(PRN, 26 January 2009 10:28)

I have heard of the word delusional, but this post must surely take the biscuit. What this shows is internal squabling amoungst a bunch or warlords who are sparring over the proceeds of organised crime. On one side we have a warlord who is head of an ineffective and corrupt administration presiding over a protectorate that is dependent on handouts while the other an equally repulsive warlord who was recently relased from the Hague after murdering and intimidating prosecution witnesses.

Yes, the people of Kosovo have a great choice in this "genuine example on how the TRUE democracy works in the NEWEST state in the world, the Republic of Kosovo."

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 15 godina

There are a number of misleading items above, so lets just clarify.....

1.This is genuine example on how the TRUE democracy works in the NEWEST state in the world, the Republic of Kosovo.
(PRN, 26 January 2009 10:28)

PRN, I am quite sure that the residents of Soth Ossetia would argue your statement about being the NEWEST.

2.A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.
(Nick KS, 26 January 2009 11:43)

Nick your Security Force could hardly be called an army. A small group of with light arms does not constitute an army. The 80 or so convicts now living in the UK probably have more potent weaponry than your Security Force. In fact when I was in the Sea cadets 30 odd years ago we had more sophisticated weaponry.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

2. A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.
(Nick KS, 26 January 2009 11:43)

You think you do. A bunch of guys playing cowboys is not an army.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 15 godina

Another provocative article published by B92 that only rallies up pro-Serbia or ultra-radical commenters. Has B92 turned into a gossip tabloid following the lives of Kosovo Elite? It must be, this is the most popular, most visited, and most commented section of B92.

What will Thaci do next? Will he marry Elvana Gjata? What about the suspicious call from Maddona? Buy the next issue next week to see what happens next.

Note: I am not being very serious today.

lowe

pre 15 godina

"Beforre Serbs get all excited: These two have been going at each other, it's just politics. In fact only 2 months ago did a non-Serbian entity started to rule North Mitrovica--after 10 years.
(1244 e morto, 26 January 2009 10:34)"

your non-Serbian entity is also decidedly non-Albanian. Eulex is there to ensure that the ones in charge there, ie. K-Serbs, remain unmolested.

kate

pre 15 godina

Niall: "What this shows is internal squabling amoungst a bunch or warlords who are sparring over the proceeds of organised crime. On one side we have a warlord who is head of an ineffective and corrupt administration presiding over a protectorate that is dependent on handouts while the other an equally repulsive warlord who was recently relased from the Hague after murdering and intimidating prosecution witnesses."

Exactly right. Not a great choice and certainly not icons of democracy.

To Nick KS - The 'handouts' or financial support are everywhere to see. No disrespect, but without the input from the UN, EU, US etc. there would be no administrative, social or economic structures in place at all. Kosovo is not financially viable as a self supporting entity.

As for your comment "A protectorate does not have an Army": The status of protectorate is the legal position under the UN. I fully expect them to issue a statement very soon clarifying the role of the new lightly armed security force (certainly not an army), and reassuring Boris Tadic that it is not a threat to the sovereign nation.

Let's wait and see.

ben

pre 15 godina

I don't know for how long people that believe to know about things here in Balkans will continua to post naive things.

Kosova is assisted by EU & NATO because her instability will be contagious for the neighbouring countries.

For the people that thing to know but actually know very little: the so called MACEDONIA (FYROM) was assisted by the US and UN via UMPROFOR troops for several years since her UDI (there is no such a thing as a coordinated declaration of independence). Additional to UMPROFOR, US deployed her marines.

Is/was FYROM independent country??? Same goes to Kosova today.

To the one that bark here with VS: dream on!

Your army trained and equipped for 60 years had more than 2 years time to deal with self-organized farmers in the 90s.

You will NEVER have chance to fight farmers again. It might not be the strongest army in Europe but certainly it is not a self-organized farmers carrying ammos with donkeys.

Peace to all of you including the one that think that the northern Kosova can be integrated throw use of force. No democratic state uses her army against her citizens. At the very first moment that you use the force you declare that in that part of the country your sovereignty is only on paper. Serbia did and see what happened.

Rote Kapelle

pre 15 godina

"Our policy has totally collapsed when it comes to security, law and order.”

*** This is the first time I agree Ramus. I am afraid the last time as well …

“ Democratic Party of Kosovo !”

*** What a strange combination of words ! I used to think they have other names for their gangs like Democratic Kidnapping Front or Liberal Traffic Union or Field Surgery Organization … ect.

lowe

pre 15 godina

"1. Show me which handouts! The fact is that the EU and the US have not been handing out that much lately.

2. A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.
(Nick KS, 26 January 2009 11:43)"

Nick KS,

1. Have you just returned from Mars or what? You got less handouts now because the West is in deep financial crisis!

2. So you have an army. But it is an army that is not allowed to carry heavy weapons, not allowed to go north of the Ibar etc. Seem like a lot of caveats to me.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

Thaqi has become to soft against Belgrade, its time Haradinaj get the chance.
(Pejoni, 26 January 2009 14:32)

and what would Haradinaj do? Invade the north and the enclaves. If that happened, the VS would be parked outside Mr Haradinaj's front lawn drinking afternoon tea.

But really, what Haradinaj only do is just bluster, throw a few shapes and and grow fat from the extra kickbacks on the side.

He's just a poor imitation of Mayor Quimby

genc

pre 15 godina

All we need to do is sit back...nothing else is needed.

We're now waiting for this chapter to be written in Del Ponte's book!
(GSP, 26 January 2009 18:54)

Yes, all what you need to do is to sit back and relax reading some good thriller, if you are fond of that kind of reading. I can recomend Agatha Christie also, she's much better than Del Ponte.

Nothing else is needed and nothing else you can do.

lowe

pre 15 godina

"lowe who is 'not' "allowing" this army not to go to the north???? Serbians? what if serbians burn more houses, bomb more shops, who wont allow them then?

Dont you get it that that was the reason for the army to be set up in place for. Serbians should not be threatened about a no ammunition army, whats better is that serbians can participate. Only crimminals would be against it.
so tell me again who does not allow it? Criminals?
(rollongstoned, 26 January 2009 13:01)"

A short answer to your question is this -- Nato and Eulex. With the consent of UNSC and Belgrade via 1244.

Political niceties aside, no matter what sweet words Nato and Eulex may tell Albanian ears, the reality on the ground is that both of them are there to ensure that K-Albanians do not interfere with the K-Serbs up north. The K-Serbs are running their own lives there and paying allegience to Belgrade even as Pristina fumes.

You can form 10, 100 or even a 1000 "armies" if you like. But none of them will be allowed by Nato and Eulex to go north. If you don't believe me, just get Pristina to try march a contingent of its "army" across the Ibar. Bet you my last euro that it will be stopped dead in its tracks.

Peter Sudyka

pre 15 godina

Well, he's right. Thaci is a dreamer about Euro-Atlantic integration and throws accusations of genocide around like it means nothing. He will keep Kosovo in the dark ages.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Niall,

"a protectorate that is dependent on handouts"

1. Show me which handouts! The fact is that the EU and the US have not been handing out that much lately.

2. A protectorate does not have an Army. We do.
(Nick KS, 26 January 2009 11:43)"

this Nick... is he seriously talking about an "army"???
he obviously never served the military, otherwise he would know what an army really is.

and...has he forgotten about the german BND-reports about the albanian mafia-clan-businesses in southern Serbia?

some of these guys really make me smile...

genc

pre 15 godina

Haradinaj: Thaci's gov. losing Kosovo.

Kostunica: Serbia is disoriented.

Clear text: Staying in opposition suks. Sad universal truth.

And, strange enough, some people do take them seriously.

Mike

pre 15 godina

Well I'm not surprised one of Thaci's own clan members is calling him out on his political ineptitude. Once someone starts to play the ethnic card and throw the word "genocide" around freely, it's a good sign their grip on power is either coming undone, or is just losing its grip on reality.

I find Haradinaj an unsavory character but I have to agree with him here. If Kosovo is supposed to be the "newest borned state in the world", then it needs to be a little more pro-active: and by "little more", I mean something other than sitting there and expecting other powers to do their work.

I agree with Haradinaj's opinion of Veton Surroi. In my opinion, he's the closest thing to a legitimate politician in Kosovo Province, and with Jeremic running all over the world shoring up support for Serbia, the most logical thing to do would be for a K-Albanian foreign minister to follow Vuk, petitioning in the opposite. Instead, this flunky Hyseni does nothing.

However, I also agree that lots of this internal criticism is jockeying for power. Haradinaj's going to be just as unsuccessful in imposing the will of Pristina on Serb sectors. If I may take a page from the playbook of our Albanian colleagues here, Kosovo's partition is a "done deal". Forget Mitrovica, forget Leposavic, forget Gracanica. Concentrate on providing a united government for what you have (read as what the international community is giving you).

So I'm going to hold my kudos for Haradinaj not because I think he's completely wrong, but because I doubt he'll be any less hamstrung once he takes the reins of power. The international community that's running this protectorate will see to that.

franklin

pre 15 godina

Ben, please understand that your ignorance has led you to a land mine. You said: "No democratic state uses her army against her citizens"
Please read the following.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

Don't just say you did. The Democratic nation of Ohio send their military onto a School Campus and killed some of the demonstrators. Democratic Nation indeed. This happens to be part of the nation that Kosovar Albanians take all of the lessons of Democracy from.
And as I recall, in the 90's the JNA didn't fight farmers in as much as Kosovars mobilized and left their country. NATO was forced to come into it and it was NATO's 78 illegal bombing campaign (another Democratic organization attacking civilians -- weird insn't it). It took the involvement of Russia's Ambassadorial efforts to end the bombing campaign and not the might of the donkey riding pick-fork toting farmers.
FYROM didn't declare UDI, they arranged peacfully and democratically with Jugoslavia to leave, and yes FYROM is a recognized country, as FYROM and not Macedonia as they would wish it to be. Unlike Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo FYROM took the correct legal approaches. The only rumblings from FYROM I've herad are either directed at Greece due to the name dispute or FYROM's Albanian contingency, who wish to spark more instability through another UDI.
Is this going to be a standard tactic taken by Albanian minorities? If so I would suggest that Germany, Switzerland, hell the rest of the EU be careful, otherwise it will have been written that in some godforsaken long lost era that the Illyrian lived there once.
"For the people that thing to know but actually know very little:" Were you looking into a mirror when you wrote this? Just a question.

kate

pre 15 godina

Rolling stoned: "lowe who is 'not' "allowing" this army not to go to the north???? Serbians? what if serbians burn more houses, bomb more shops, who wont allow them then?"


Do you seriously think that the UN/ Nato would allow this provicial, virtually mono-ethnic, lightly armed security force to deal with such an event?

Or that Serbia would stand by while it happened? The UN/ Nato would never risk such a scenario.

Rosselsprung

pre 15 godina

Albanians will lose Kosovo...definately. It's just a matter of time before Serbia reclaims what is rightfully hers. It hasn,t even been 10 years since the NATO occupation began and already Albanians are panicking. If the Turks occupied Kosovo for 500 and the Serbs still liberated Kosovo; What's another 5-10 yrs of NATO-Albanian occupation.
I don't really care what Albanian is predident nor prime minister of Kosovo...one thing is clear...Albanians will lose control of Kosovo no matter who is in charge.
Long live Serbian Kosovo!!!!!