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Ambassador: India continues to back Serbia

Indian Ambassador to Belgrade Ajay Swarup says his country will continue to support Serbia's sovereignty and territorial integrity over Kosovo.

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python_indian

pre 15 godina

Well we indians completely support their territorial integrity of serbia over kosovo

Kosovo lacks resources and economy to survive alone

and after all its a muslim country ....we already have few islamic terrorists states ..

so kosovi is better off with serbia

Days Of USA and its junior Europe are over

china ,india and russia outweighs any other group

while India has some strategic relationship with Usa but its limited to their technology and countering chinese influence,which moreover is american problem

But india continues to take its own decision and it has an independent foreign policy

TO summarize we dont want another Terrorist state of islam

DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury

pre 15 godina

My dear EA,
Yes, you are correct. 54 countries have recognized Kosovo's independence. However, this level of recognition has not been, nor will be sufficient for Kosovo to be its own country. If this was not true then we wouldn't be debating technical details of such a move, namely the UDI and its legalities etc.. I would also, without hesitation, agree that Jugoslavia no longer exists. This is rather obvious I thought and didn't need further argument.
However, I feel that you've missed the point. You seem inclined in believing that of these 54 nations that have posted recognitions of Kosovo's UDI many of them "have the great impact on the development of the Planet Earth". I would certainly agree that these countries generally have HAD a great impact both positive and negative. However it seems that you might have misunderstood the degree at which these countries that you speak of are in financial turmoil. They are bankrupt. They are bailing out everything trying desperately to keep afloat. These countries cannot make the outlandish guarentees that they once did. It happens to be that of the remaining 150-someodd countries that have not recognized Kosovo's UDI (a start reality), those that had strong economies (Brazil, India, China) still have fairly stong economies. They also have adopted the majority of the world's manufacturing. These countries that are not siding with Kosovo (for the moment, for I do not claim that I know if they will maintain their stance or not) are slowly becoming more and more important as the old colonialists are starting to show their cracks.
I'd like to comment on you last sentence, but I am not sure what "marragage" means, but you certainly do paint with a strongly biased brush. According to your real world everything is all the fault of Serbia. They certainly do have their cross to bare, they have done things that were less than nice, however it takes two hands to clap, there is never just one side and you have chosen to only listen to one side, not accepting the reality of duality.
At the end of the day I can understand that you wish to not be part of Serbia, however by choosing not to discuss it with Serbia and by accepting the backing of the Western colonialists the Kosovar leadership has placed everything in a precarious position. Now they must hope for continual salvation from these so called power brokers of the west, and now is the time when such help might be more difficult to get. This is the REALITY. Not yours or mine but reality.
So, the ther REAL WORLD for you is one thing but the actual REAL WORLD unfortuanetely seems to evade your sights. The REAL WORLD does not see Kosovo as its own country (it may one day but thats not this REAL WORLD, its another). The REAL WORLD does not do as you want it to, it does what everybody wants it to.
Time will tell one way or another, but it has not spoken yet and your prognostications (for thats all that they are) should not be sold as fact or reality, but your personal opinion.

EA

pre 15 godina

"...this level of recognition has not been, nor will be sufficient for Kosovo to be its own country.

Dear Duck,

Has anyone from the Kosova institutions said that the process of recognition is an easy process? The REALITY is that it is not an easy process. The reasons are many mainly effective Serbian diplomacy to slow the process but SLOWING doesn't mean STOPPING to my understanding.

"I would also, without hesitation, agree that Jugoslavia no longer exists. This is rather obvious I thought and didn't need further argument."

It can be obvious for you but unfortunately not for many Serbs.

You are saying "....it seems that you might have misunderstood the degree at which these countries that you speak of are in financial turmoil. They are bankrupt...Are you suggesting that communism offers more prosperity than capitalism? I am in a position to tell you that communism is a corrupted and diabolic system which plants only poverty and isolation. Do you REALLY think these countries that have recognised Kosova and have great influence in Planet Earth will ask India, Brasil and China for assistance to help in these difficult days? Tell me please I am very curiouse to hear your story))
"... according to your real world everything is all the fault of Serbia."

I never said that but you can not compare the crimes committed by Serbian state in Kosova to those OF some individuals from KLA and you are saying
"they (the Serbs) have done things that were less than nice". The REALITY is that they have done crimes which is more than "less than nice" Of course some Serbs will say these are not true and Western propaganda but I can assure you that I can read and listen in few languages.


"... it takes two hands to clap but it also it takes two eye to cry".

Tell me one reason before the war started why was Serbia bombed? Why Serbia was forced to leave Kosova? Does Serbia have any authority as a sovereign country over Kosova? The correct answers are a REALITY.

"At the end of the day by choosing not to discuss it with Serbia and by accepting the backing of the Western colonialists the Kosovar leadership has placed everything in a precarious position."

Again you have got the FACTS wrong! Kosova's leadership are willing to discuss with Serbia any issue as two independent countries and without belitteling each other. As far as I know a Friendship Pact has been put forward by Kosovars to Serbia.
This is the REALITY. Not yours or mine but reality.
So, the ther REAL WORLD for you is one thing but the actual REAL WORLD unfortuanetely seems to evade your sights.

The REAL WORLD does see Kosova as an independent country from Serbia. We have to agree to disagree about the REAL WORLD.
Let's ask B92 for a poll about the REAL WORLD)))
Albanian Siding (USA,UK,FRANCE, ITALY MOST OF EU,CANADA,AUSTRALIA) AND Serbs siding (RUSSIA, CHINA, INDIA, BRASIL,CYPRUS,MOST AFRICAN COUNTRIES, ROMANIA)

DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury

pre 15 godina

My dear EA,
Yes, you are correct. 54 countries have recognized Kosovo's independence. However, this level of recognition has not been, nor will be sufficient for Kosovo to be its own country. If this was not true then we wouldn't be debating technical details of such a move, namely the UDI and its legalities etc.. I would also, without hesitation, agree that Jugoslavia no longer exists. This is rather obvious I thought and didn't need further argument.
However, I feel that you've missed the point. You seem inclined in believing that of these 54 nations that have posted recognitions of Kosovo's UDI many of them "have the great impact on the development of the Planet Earth". I would certainly agree that these countries generally have HAD a great impact both positive and negative. However it seems that you might have misunderstood the degree at which these countries that you speak of are in financial turmoil. They are bankrupt. They are bailing out everything trying desperately to keep afloat. These countries cannot make the outlandish guarentees that they once did. It happens to be that of the remaining 150-someodd countries that have not recognized Kosovo's UDI (a start reality), those that had strong economies (Brazil, India, China) still have fairly stong economies. They also have adopted the majority of the world's manufacturing. These countries that are not siding with Kosovo (for the moment, for I do not claim that I know if they will maintain their stance or not) are slowly becoming more and more important as the old colonialists are starting to show their cracks.
I'd like to comment on you last sentence, but I am not sure what "marragage" means, but you certainly do paint with a strongly biased brush. According to your real world everything is all the fault of Serbia. They certainly do have their cross to bare, they have done things that were less than nice, however it takes two hands to clap, there is never just one side and you have choosen to only listen to one side, not accepting the reality of duality.
At the end of the day I can understand that you wish to not be part of Serbia, however by choosing not to discuss it with Serbia and by accepting the backing of the Western colonialists the Kosovar leadership has placed everything in a precarious position. Now they must hope for continual salvation from these so called power brokers of the west, and now is the time when such help might be more difficult to get. This is the REALITY. Not yours or mine but reality.
So, the ther REAL WORLD for you is one thing but the actual REAL WORLD unfortuanetely seems to evade your sights. The REAL WORLD does not see Kosovo as its own country (it may one day but thats not this REAL WORLD, its another). The REAL WORLD does not do as you want it to, it does what everybody wants it to.
Time will tell one way or another, but it has not spoken yet and your prognostications (for thats all that they are) should not be sold as fact or reality, but your personal opinion.

DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury

pre 15 godina

EA,
I'm not exactly sure what your understanding of modern colonialism is. Is it EU-like soft forcefulness; bending an outlier to their will? is it NATO-like agreesion; bombing the holy and unholy lights out and crumble others to their will? is it US-like puppet manufacturing; replacing 'dictators' with honest well paid-off, US handpicked, puppets, those of whom are constantly reminded of the hand that feeds them and what happens when they think they can bite it. Or it Modern colonialism more like Big business taking resources from countries and raping the lands for far off profits, mindless of the void that is inevitably left behind?
If this is the real world as you see it, then fair enough I would suggest that you are correct. The real world is full of corroption and evil doers masked as the 'good guy'. The primary nations that have 'run the world into the ground' are the colonialsts, have been and still strive to be for ever and ever. However they too are as poor as their slave nations now, infact maybe pooper at the moment. The Masters have taken a step back and may not be ready to rejoin their game of global domination in the short term. These are largely the nations that have added their support to Kosovo. With their colonialistic tendencies ratcheted down somewhat these nations can no longer claim the full right to defining the real world any longer.
The European based nations (or as it is affectionately refered to in certain circles -- the lands of the evil doing white man -- for in NorthAmerica it was the White man the European that commited the greatest attrocities in recorded history without punishment, no infact reward) have been and still are loosing their dominance of the world's character definition.
So while India's ambassador currently lives in the 'Real World', one of laws, rules and regulations, and while at the same time this Ambassador represents a country that stands firmly agaist Kosovo's independence I would suggest that you shake you head for a moment and come back to the real world. THIS IS THE REAL WORLD, and at the moment Kosovo's independence is still up for question, where the REAL WORLD is considered, not the theiving whiteman's perception, but the one where the other 80% of the population's representatives and the other countries that have a positive economy. One can no longer claim econimic dominance when they are planning and running obsurd deficits.
The real world indeed.

EA

pre 15 godina

"The real world indeed."
(DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury, 24 January 2009 20:47)

The REAL WORLD for me is that Kosova has been recognised as an independent country by 54 countries, countries that have the great impact on the development of the Planet Earth. I hope that will make sense to you.
Secondly REAL WORLD is that YUGOSLAVIA doesn't egsist anymore as in REALITY Serbia wanted to force the others into marragage. By others I mean Croats, Slovens, Macedonians, Bosnians, Albanians in Kosova and Hungarians.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Who needs India anyway..."

what a simply and helplessly desperate, alienated voice...

let´s just what future brings, Behar!

as for myself, I´d say that India has already a lot of political weight with a tendency tending upwards.

DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury

pre 15 godina

EA,
I'm not exactly sure what your understanding of modern colonialism is. Is it EU-like soft forcefulness; bending an outlier to their will? is it NATO-like agreesion; bombing the holy and unholy lights out and crumble others to their will? is it US-like puppet manufacturing; replacing 'dictators' with honest well paid-off, US handpicked, puppets, those of whom are constantly reminded of the hand that feeds them and what happens when they think they can bite it. Or it Modern colonialism more like Big business taking resources from countries and raping the lands for far off profits, mindless of the void that is inevitably left behind?
If this is the real world as you see it, then fair enough I would suggest that you are correct. The real world is full of corroption and evil doers masked as the 'good guy'. The primary nations that have 'run the world into the ground' are the colonialsts, have been and still strive to be for ever and ever. However they too are as poor as their slave nations now, infact maybe pooper at the moment. The Masters have taken a step back and may not be ready to rejoin their game of global domination in the short term. These are largely the nations that have added their support to Kosovo. With their colonialistic tendencies ratcheted down somewhat these nations can no longer claim the full right to defining the real world any longer.
The European based nations (or as it is affectionately refered to in certain circles -- the lands of the evil doing white man -- for in NorthAmerica it was the White man the European that commited the greatest attrocities in recorded history without punishment, no infact reward) have been and still are loosing their dominance of the world's character definition.
So while India's ambassador currently lives in the 'Real World', one of laws, rules and regulations, and while at the same time this Ambassador represents a country that stands firmly agaist Kosovo's independence I would suggest that you shake you head for a moment and come back to the real world. THIS IS THE REAL WORLD, and at the moment Kosovo's independence is still up for question, where the REAL WORLD is considered, not the thieving whiteman's perception, but the one where the other 80% of the population's representatives and the other countries that have a positive economy. One can no longer claim economic dominance when they are planning and running obsurd deficits.
The real world indeed.

PaulUK

pre 15 godina

India... 1 Billion people, China... over 1 Billion people, Russia... over 150 million people, Spain, Greece etc etc... all supporting global law! Kosovo is Serbia FACT... great enconmies, defence, people, who wants to be a USA puppet like Albanians, Think what the USA is doing to your so called muslim brothers in Iraq & Afghanistan... yet the embrace G.Bush like a hero and steal his watch!!

EA

pre 15 godina

"... the principle of self-determination, which some have cited in favor of Kosovo's declaration, "was relevant at the time of liberation from colonial rule", but not today.

It seems to me that the ambassador that the ambassador doesn't understand the "modern" version of colonialism. Soon he will realise and live in the real world where his country will recognise Kosova as an independent state.

ZK

pre 15 godina

We thank our Indian friends and the world's largest democracy for supporting Serbia and international law. It is quite obvious that this independence experiment is failing with the overwhelming majority of the world strongly on our side.

Thank you to all!

Behar Avdijaj

pre 15 godina

Who needs India anyway when we have Colombia, Belize and Marshall Islands? I have also heard that Haiti will recignize us before july!

India, continue your business with Serbia, we in Kosova is fine with the other 54 countries that have recognized us!

PaulUK

pre 15 godina

India... 1 Billion people, China... over 1 Billion people, Russia... over 150 million people, Spain, Greece etc etc... all supporting global law! Kosovo is Serbia FACT... great enconmies, defence, people, who wants to be a USA puppet like Albanians, Think what the USA is doing to your so called muslim brothers in Iraq & Afghanistan... yet the embrace G.Bush like a hero and steal his watch!!

ZK

pre 15 godina

We thank our Indian friends and the world's largest democracy for supporting Serbia and international law. It is quite obvious that this independence experiment is failing with the overwhelming majority of the world strongly on our side.

Thank you to all!

DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury

pre 15 godina

EA,
I'm not exactly sure what your understanding of modern colonialism is. Is it EU-like soft forcefulness; bending an outlier to their will? is it NATO-like agreesion; bombing the holy and unholy lights out and crumble others to their will? is it US-like puppet manufacturing; replacing 'dictators' with honest well paid-off, US handpicked, puppets, those of whom are constantly reminded of the hand that feeds them and what happens when they think they can bite it. Or it Modern colonialism more like Big business taking resources from countries and raping the lands for far off profits, mindless of the void that is inevitably left behind?
If this is the real world as you see it, then fair enough I would suggest that you are correct. The real world is full of corroption and evil doers masked as the 'good guy'. The primary nations that have 'run the world into the ground' are the colonialsts, have been and still strive to be for ever and ever. However they too are as poor as their slave nations now, infact maybe pooper at the moment. The Masters have taken a step back and may not be ready to rejoin their game of global domination in the short term. These are largely the nations that have added their support to Kosovo. With their colonialistic tendencies ratcheted down somewhat these nations can no longer claim the full right to defining the real world any longer.
The European based nations (or as it is affectionately refered to in certain circles -- the lands of the evil doing white man -- for in NorthAmerica it was the White man the European that commited the greatest attrocities in recorded history without punishment, no infact reward) have been and still are loosing their dominance of the world's character definition.
So while India's ambassador currently lives in the 'Real World', one of laws, rules and regulations, and while at the same time this Ambassador represents a country that stands firmly agaist Kosovo's independence I would suggest that you shake you head for a moment and come back to the real world. THIS IS THE REAL WORLD, and at the moment Kosovo's independence is still up for question, where the REAL WORLD is considered, not the thieving whiteman's perception, but the one where the other 80% of the population's representatives and the other countries that have a positive economy. One can no longer claim economic dominance when they are planning and running obsurd deficits.
The real world indeed.

EA

pre 15 godina

"... the principle of self-determination, which some have cited in favor of Kosovo's declaration, "was relevant at the time of liberation from colonial rule", but not today.

It seems to me that the ambassador that the ambassador doesn't understand the "modern" version of colonialism. Soon he will realise and live in the real world where his country will recognise Kosova as an independent state.

EA

pre 15 godina

"The real world indeed."
(DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury, 24 January 2009 20:47)

The REAL WORLD for me is that Kosova has been recognised as an independent country by 54 countries, countries that have the great impact on the development of the Planet Earth. I hope that will make sense to you.
Secondly REAL WORLD is that YUGOSLAVIA doesn't egsist anymore as in REALITY Serbia wanted to force the others into marragage. By others I mean Croats, Slovens, Macedonians, Bosnians, Albanians in Kosova and Hungarians.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Who needs India anyway..."

what a simply and helplessly desperate, alienated voice...

let´s just what future brings, Behar!

as for myself, I´d say that India has already a lot of political weight with a tendency tending upwards.

EA

pre 15 godina

"...this level of recognition has not been, nor will be sufficient for Kosovo to be its own country.

Dear Duck,

Has anyone from the Kosova institutions said that the process of recognition is an easy process? The REALITY is that it is not an easy process. The reasons are many mainly effective Serbian diplomacy to slow the process but SLOWING doesn't mean STOPPING to my understanding.

"I would also, without hesitation, agree that Jugoslavia no longer exists. This is rather obvious I thought and didn't need further argument."

It can be obvious for you but unfortunately not for many Serbs.

You are saying "....it seems that you might have misunderstood the degree at which these countries that you speak of are in financial turmoil. They are bankrupt...Are you suggesting that communism offers more prosperity than capitalism? I am in a position to tell you that communism is a corrupted and diabolic system which plants only poverty and isolation. Do you REALLY think these countries that have recognised Kosova and have great influence in Planet Earth will ask India, Brasil and China for assistance to help in these difficult days? Tell me please I am very curiouse to hear your story))
"... according to your real world everything is all the fault of Serbia."

I never said that but you can not compare the crimes committed by Serbian state in Kosova to those OF some individuals from KLA and you are saying
"they (the Serbs) have done things that were less than nice". The REALITY is that they have done crimes which is more than "less than nice" Of course some Serbs will say these are not true and Western propaganda but I can assure you that I can read and listen in few languages.


"... it takes two hands to clap but it also it takes two eye to cry".

Tell me one reason before the war started why was Serbia bombed? Why Serbia was forced to leave Kosova? Does Serbia have any authority as a sovereign country over Kosova? The correct answers are a REALITY.

"At the end of the day by choosing not to discuss it with Serbia and by accepting the backing of the Western colonialists the Kosovar leadership has placed everything in a precarious position."

Again you have got the FACTS wrong! Kosova's leadership are willing to discuss with Serbia any issue as two independent countries and without belitteling each other. As far as I know a Friendship Pact has been put forward by Kosovars to Serbia.
This is the REALITY. Not yours or mine but reality.
So, the ther REAL WORLD for you is one thing but the actual REAL WORLD unfortuanetely seems to evade your sights.

The REAL WORLD does see Kosova as an independent country from Serbia. We have to agree to disagree about the REAL WORLD.
Let's ask B92 for a poll about the REAL WORLD)))
Albanian Siding (USA,UK,FRANCE, ITALY MOST OF EU,CANADA,AUSTRALIA) AND Serbs siding (RUSSIA, CHINA, INDIA, BRASIL,CYPRUS,MOST AFRICAN COUNTRIES, ROMANIA)

Behar Avdijaj

pre 15 godina

Who needs India anyway when we have Colombia, Belize and Marshall Islands? I have also heard that Haiti will recignize us before july!

India, continue your business with Serbia, we in Kosova is fine with the other 54 countries that have recognized us!

DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury

pre 15 godina

EA,
I'm not exactly sure what your understanding of modern colonialism is. Is it EU-like soft forcefulness; bending an outlier to their will? is it NATO-like agreesion; bombing the holy and unholy lights out and crumble others to their will? is it US-like puppet manufacturing; replacing 'dictators' with honest well paid-off, US handpicked, puppets, those of whom are constantly reminded of the hand that feeds them and what happens when they think they can bite it. Or it Modern colonialism more like Big business taking resources from countries and raping the lands for far off profits, mindless of the void that is inevitably left behind?
If this is the real world as you see it, then fair enough I would suggest that you are correct. The real world is full of corroption and evil doers masked as the 'good guy'. The primary nations that have 'run the world into the ground' are the colonialsts, have been and still strive to be for ever and ever. However they too are as poor as their slave nations now, infact maybe pooper at the moment. The Masters have taken a step back and may not be ready to rejoin their game of global domination in the short term. These are largely the nations that have added their support to Kosovo. With their colonialistic tendencies ratcheted down somewhat these nations can no longer claim the full right to defining the real world any longer.
The European based nations (or as it is affectionately refered to in certain circles -- the lands of the evil doing white man -- for in NorthAmerica it was the White man the European that commited the greatest attrocities in recorded history without punishment, no infact reward) have been and still are loosing their dominance of the world's character definition.
So while India's ambassador currently lives in the 'Real World', one of laws, rules and regulations, and while at the same time this Ambassador represents a country that stands firmly agaist Kosovo's independence I would suggest that you shake you head for a moment and come back to the real world. THIS IS THE REAL WORLD, and at the moment Kosovo's independence is still up for question, where the REAL WORLD is considered, not the theiving whiteman's perception, but the one where the other 80% of the population's representatives and the other countries that have a positive economy. One can no longer claim econimic dominance when they are planning and running obsurd deficits.
The real world indeed.

python_indian

pre 15 godina

Well we indians completely support their territorial integrity of serbia over kosovo

Kosovo lacks resources and economy to survive alone

and after all its a muslim country ....we already have few islamic terrorists states ..

so kosovi is better off with serbia

Days Of USA and its junior Europe are over

china ,india and russia outweighs any other group

while India has some strategic relationship with Usa but its limited to their technology and countering chinese influence,which moreover is american problem

But india continues to take its own decision and it has an independent foreign policy

TO summarize we dont want another Terrorist state of islam

DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury

pre 15 godina

My dear EA,
Yes, you are correct. 54 countries have recognized Kosovo's independence. However, this level of recognition has not been, nor will be sufficient for Kosovo to be its own country. If this was not true then we wouldn't be debating technical details of such a move, namely the UDI and its legalities etc.. I would also, without hesitation, agree that Jugoslavia no longer exists. This is rather obvious I thought and didn't need further argument.
However, I feel that you've missed the point. You seem inclined in believing that of these 54 nations that have posted recognitions of Kosovo's UDI many of them "have the great impact on the development of the Planet Earth". I would certainly agree that these countries generally have HAD a great impact both positive and negative. However it seems that you might have misunderstood the degree at which these countries that you speak of are in financial turmoil. They are bankrupt. They are bailing out everything trying desperately to keep afloat. These countries cannot make the outlandish guarentees that they once did. It happens to be that of the remaining 150-someodd countries that have not recognized Kosovo's UDI (a start reality), those that had strong economies (Brazil, India, China) still have fairly stong economies. They also have adopted the majority of the world's manufacturing. These countries that are not siding with Kosovo (for the moment, for I do not claim that I know if they will maintain their stance or not) are slowly becoming more and more important as the old colonialists are starting to show their cracks.
I'd like to comment on you last sentence, but I am not sure what "marragage" means, but you certainly do paint with a strongly biased brush. According to your real world everything is all the fault of Serbia. They certainly do have their cross to bare, they have done things that were less than nice, however it takes two hands to clap, there is never just one side and you have choosen to only listen to one side, not accepting the reality of duality.
At the end of the day I can understand that you wish to not be part of Serbia, however by choosing not to discuss it with Serbia and by accepting the backing of the Western colonialists the Kosovar leadership has placed everything in a precarious position. Now they must hope for continual salvation from these so called power brokers of the west, and now is the time when such help might be more difficult to get. This is the REALITY. Not yours or mine but reality.
So, the ther REAL WORLD for you is one thing but the actual REAL WORLD unfortuanetely seems to evade your sights. The REAL WORLD does not see Kosovo as its own country (it may one day but thats not this REAL WORLD, its another). The REAL WORLD does not do as you want it to, it does what everybody wants it to.
Time will tell one way or another, but it has not spoken yet and your prognostications (for thats all that they are) should not be sold as fact or reality, but your personal opinion.

DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury

pre 15 godina

My dear EA,
Yes, you are correct. 54 countries have recognized Kosovo's independence. However, this level of recognition has not been, nor will be sufficient for Kosovo to be its own country. If this was not true then we wouldn't be debating technical details of such a move, namely the UDI and its legalities etc.. I would also, without hesitation, agree that Jugoslavia no longer exists. This is rather obvious I thought and didn't need further argument.
However, I feel that you've missed the point. You seem inclined in believing that of these 54 nations that have posted recognitions of Kosovo's UDI many of them "have the great impact on the development of the Planet Earth". I would certainly agree that these countries generally have HAD a great impact both positive and negative. However it seems that you might have misunderstood the degree at which these countries that you speak of are in financial turmoil. They are bankrupt. They are bailing out everything trying desperately to keep afloat. These countries cannot make the outlandish guarentees that they once did. It happens to be that of the remaining 150-someodd countries that have not recognized Kosovo's UDI (a start reality), those that had strong economies (Brazil, India, China) still have fairly stong economies. They also have adopted the majority of the world's manufacturing. These countries that are not siding with Kosovo (for the moment, for I do not claim that I know if they will maintain their stance or not) are slowly becoming more and more important as the old colonialists are starting to show their cracks.
I'd like to comment on you last sentence, but I am not sure what "marragage" means, but you certainly do paint with a strongly biased brush. According to your real world everything is all the fault of Serbia. They certainly do have their cross to bare, they have done things that were less than nice, however it takes two hands to clap, there is never just one side and you have chosen to only listen to one side, not accepting the reality of duality.
At the end of the day I can understand that you wish to not be part of Serbia, however by choosing not to discuss it with Serbia and by accepting the backing of the Western colonialists the Kosovar leadership has placed everything in a precarious position. Now they must hope for continual salvation from these so called power brokers of the west, and now is the time when such help might be more difficult to get. This is the REALITY. Not yours or mine but reality.
So, the ther REAL WORLD for you is one thing but the actual REAL WORLD unfortuanetely seems to evade your sights. The REAL WORLD does not see Kosovo as its own country (it may one day but thats not this REAL WORLD, its another). The REAL WORLD does not do as you want it to, it does what everybody wants it to.
Time will tell one way or another, but it has not spoken yet and your prognostications (for thats all that they are) should not be sold as fact or reality, but your personal opinion.

Behar Avdijaj

pre 15 godina

Who needs India anyway when we have Colombia, Belize and Marshall Islands? I have also heard that Haiti will recignize us before july!

India, continue your business with Serbia, we in Kosova is fine with the other 54 countries that have recognized us!

EA

pre 15 godina

"... the principle of self-determination, which some have cited in favor of Kosovo's declaration, "was relevant at the time of liberation from colonial rule", but not today.

It seems to me that the ambassador that the ambassador doesn't understand the "modern" version of colonialism. Soon he will realise and live in the real world where his country will recognise Kosova as an independent state.

EA

pre 15 godina

"The real world indeed."
(DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury, 24 January 2009 20:47)

The REAL WORLD for me is that Kosova has been recognised as an independent country by 54 countries, countries that have the great impact on the development of the Planet Earth. I hope that will make sense to you.
Secondly REAL WORLD is that YUGOSLAVIA doesn't egsist anymore as in REALITY Serbia wanted to force the others into marragage. By others I mean Croats, Slovens, Macedonians, Bosnians, Albanians in Kosova and Hungarians.

DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury

pre 15 godina

EA,
I'm not exactly sure what your understanding of modern colonialism is. Is it EU-like soft forcefulness; bending an outlier to their will? is it NATO-like agreesion; bombing the holy and unholy lights out and crumble others to their will? is it US-like puppet manufacturing; replacing 'dictators' with honest well paid-off, US handpicked, puppets, those of whom are constantly reminded of the hand that feeds them and what happens when they think they can bite it. Or it Modern colonialism more like Big business taking resources from countries and raping the lands for far off profits, mindless of the void that is inevitably left behind?
If this is the real world as you see it, then fair enough I would suggest that you are correct. The real world is full of corroption and evil doers masked as the 'good guy'. The primary nations that have 'run the world into the ground' are the colonialsts, have been and still strive to be for ever and ever. However they too are as poor as their slave nations now, infact maybe pooper at the moment. The Masters have taken a step back and may not be ready to rejoin their game of global domination in the short term. These are largely the nations that have added their support to Kosovo. With their colonialistic tendencies ratcheted down somewhat these nations can no longer claim the full right to defining the real world any longer.
The European based nations (or as it is affectionately refered to in certain circles -- the lands of the evil doing white man -- for in NorthAmerica it was the White man the European that commited the greatest attrocities in recorded history without punishment, no infact reward) have been and still are loosing their dominance of the world's character definition.
So while India's ambassador currently lives in the 'Real World', one of laws, rules and regulations, and while at the same time this Ambassador represents a country that stands firmly agaist Kosovo's independence I would suggest that you shake you head for a moment and come back to the real world. THIS IS THE REAL WORLD, and at the moment Kosovo's independence is still up for question, where the REAL WORLD is considered, not the thieving whiteman's perception, but the one where the other 80% of the population's representatives and the other countries that have a positive economy. One can no longer claim economic dominance when they are planning and running obsurd deficits.
The real world indeed.

PaulUK

pre 15 godina

India... 1 Billion people, China... over 1 Billion people, Russia... over 150 million people, Spain, Greece etc etc... all supporting global law! Kosovo is Serbia FACT... great enconmies, defence, people, who wants to be a USA puppet like Albanians, Think what the USA is doing to your so called muslim brothers in Iraq & Afghanistan... yet the embrace G.Bush like a hero and steal his watch!!

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Who needs India anyway..."

what a simply and helplessly desperate, alienated voice...

let´s just what future brings, Behar!

as for myself, I´d say that India has already a lot of political weight with a tendency tending upwards.

ZK

pre 15 godina

We thank our Indian friends and the world's largest democracy for supporting Serbia and international law. It is quite obvious that this independence experiment is failing with the overwhelming majority of the world strongly on our side.

Thank you to all!

DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury

pre 15 godina

EA,
I'm not exactly sure what your understanding of modern colonialism is. Is it EU-like soft forcefulness; bending an outlier to their will? is it NATO-like agreesion; bombing the holy and unholy lights out and crumble others to their will? is it US-like puppet manufacturing; replacing 'dictators' with honest well paid-off, US handpicked, puppets, those of whom are constantly reminded of the hand that feeds them and what happens when they think they can bite it. Or it Modern colonialism more like Big business taking resources from countries and raping the lands for far off profits, mindless of the void that is inevitably left behind?
If this is the real world as you see it, then fair enough I would suggest that you are correct. The real world is full of corroption and evil doers masked as the 'good guy'. The primary nations that have 'run the world into the ground' are the colonialsts, have been and still strive to be for ever and ever. However they too are as poor as their slave nations now, infact maybe pooper at the moment. The Masters have taken a step back and may not be ready to rejoin their game of global domination in the short term. These are largely the nations that have added their support to Kosovo. With their colonialistic tendencies ratcheted down somewhat these nations can no longer claim the full right to defining the real world any longer.
The European based nations (or as it is affectionately refered to in certain circles -- the lands of the evil doing white man -- for in NorthAmerica it was the White man the European that commited the greatest attrocities in recorded history without punishment, no infact reward) have been and still are loosing their dominance of the world's character definition.
So while India's ambassador currently lives in the 'Real World', one of laws, rules and regulations, and while at the same time this Ambassador represents a country that stands firmly agaist Kosovo's independence I would suggest that you shake you head for a moment and come back to the real world. THIS IS THE REAL WORLD, and at the moment Kosovo's independence is still up for question, where the REAL WORLD is considered, not the theiving whiteman's perception, but the one where the other 80% of the population's representatives and the other countries that have a positive economy. One can no longer claim econimic dominance when they are planning and running obsurd deficits.
The real world indeed.

DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury

pre 15 godina

My dear EA,
Yes, you are correct. 54 countries have recognized Kosovo's independence. However, this level of recognition has not been, nor will be sufficient for Kosovo to be its own country. If this was not true then we wouldn't be debating technical details of such a move, namely the UDI and its legalities etc.. I would also, without hesitation, agree that Jugoslavia no longer exists. This is rather obvious I thought and didn't need further argument.
However, I feel that you've missed the point. You seem inclined in believing that of these 54 nations that have posted recognitions of Kosovo's UDI many of them "have the great impact on the development of the Planet Earth". I would certainly agree that these countries generally have HAD a great impact both positive and negative. However it seems that you might have misunderstood the degree at which these countries that you speak of are in financial turmoil. They are bankrupt. They are bailing out everything trying desperately to keep afloat. These countries cannot make the outlandish guarentees that they once did. It happens to be that of the remaining 150-someodd countries that have not recognized Kosovo's UDI (a start reality), those that had strong economies (Brazil, India, China) still have fairly stong economies. They also have adopted the majority of the world's manufacturing. These countries that are not siding with Kosovo (for the moment, for I do not claim that I know if they will maintain their stance or not) are slowly becoming more and more important as the old colonialists are starting to show their cracks.
I'd like to comment on you last sentence, but I am not sure what "marragage" means, but you certainly do paint with a strongly biased brush. According to your real world everything is all the fault of Serbia. They certainly do have their cross to bare, they have done things that were less than nice, however it takes two hands to clap, there is never just one side and you have chosen to only listen to one side, not accepting the reality of duality.
At the end of the day I can understand that you wish to not be part of Serbia, however by choosing not to discuss it with Serbia and by accepting the backing of the Western colonialists the Kosovar leadership has placed everything in a precarious position. Now they must hope for continual salvation from these so called power brokers of the west, and now is the time when such help might be more difficult to get. This is the REALITY. Not yours or mine but reality.
So, the ther REAL WORLD for you is one thing but the actual REAL WORLD unfortuanetely seems to evade your sights. The REAL WORLD does not see Kosovo as its own country (it may one day but thats not this REAL WORLD, its another). The REAL WORLD does not do as you want it to, it does what everybody wants it to.
Time will tell one way or another, but it has not spoken yet and your prognostications (for thats all that they are) should not be sold as fact or reality, but your personal opinion.

DuckDodgersFromThe23rdAndAHalfCentury

pre 15 godina

My dear EA,
Yes, you are correct. 54 countries have recognized Kosovo's independence. However, this level of recognition has not been, nor will be sufficient for Kosovo to be its own country. If this was not true then we wouldn't be debating technical details of such a move, namely the UDI and its legalities etc.. I would also, without hesitation, agree that Jugoslavia no longer exists. This is rather obvious I thought and didn't need further argument.
However, I feel that you've missed the point. You seem inclined in believing that of these 54 nations that have posted recognitions of Kosovo's UDI many of them "have the great impact on the development of the Planet Earth". I would certainly agree that these countries generally have HAD a great impact both positive and negative. However it seems that you might have misunderstood the degree at which these countries that you speak of are in financial turmoil. They are bankrupt. They are bailing out everything trying desperately to keep afloat. These countries cannot make the outlandish guarentees that they once did. It happens to be that of the remaining 150-someodd countries that have not recognized Kosovo's UDI (a start reality), those that had strong economies (Brazil, India, China) still have fairly stong economies. They also have adopted the majority of the world's manufacturing. These countries that are not siding with Kosovo (for the moment, for I do not claim that I know if they will maintain their stance or not) are slowly becoming more and more important as the old colonialists are starting to show their cracks.
I'd like to comment on you last sentence, but I am not sure what "marragage" means, but you certainly do paint with a strongly biased brush. According to your real world everything is all the fault of Serbia. They certainly do have their cross to bare, they have done things that were less than nice, however it takes two hands to clap, there is never just one side and you have choosen to only listen to one side, not accepting the reality of duality.
At the end of the day I can understand that you wish to not be part of Serbia, however by choosing not to discuss it with Serbia and by accepting the backing of the Western colonialists the Kosovar leadership has placed everything in a precarious position. Now they must hope for continual salvation from these so called power brokers of the west, and now is the time when such help might be more difficult to get. This is the REALITY. Not yours or mine but reality.
So, the ther REAL WORLD for you is one thing but the actual REAL WORLD unfortuanetely seems to evade your sights. The REAL WORLD does not see Kosovo as its own country (it may one day but thats not this REAL WORLD, its another). The REAL WORLD does not do as you want it to, it does what everybody wants it to.
Time will tell one way or another, but it has not spoken yet and your prognostications (for thats all that they are) should not be sold as fact or reality, but your personal opinion.

EA

pre 15 godina

"...this level of recognition has not been, nor will be sufficient for Kosovo to be its own country.

Dear Duck,

Has anyone from the Kosova institutions said that the process of recognition is an easy process? The REALITY is that it is not an easy process. The reasons are many mainly effective Serbian diplomacy to slow the process but SLOWING doesn't mean STOPPING to my understanding.

"I would also, without hesitation, agree that Jugoslavia no longer exists. This is rather obvious I thought and didn't need further argument."

It can be obvious for you but unfortunately not for many Serbs.

You are saying "....it seems that you might have misunderstood the degree at which these countries that you speak of are in financial turmoil. They are bankrupt...Are you suggesting that communism offers more prosperity than capitalism? I am in a position to tell you that communism is a corrupted and diabolic system which plants only poverty and isolation. Do you REALLY think these countries that have recognised Kosova and have great influence in Planet Earth will ask India, Brasil and China for assistance to help in these difficult days? Tell me please I am very curiouse to hear your story))
"... according to your real world everything is all the fault of Serbia."

I never said that but you can not compare the crimes committed by Serbian state in Kosova to those OF some individuals from KLA and you are saying
"they (the Serbs) have done things that were less than nice". The REALITY is that they have done crimes which is more than "less than nice" Of course some Serbs will say these are not true and Western propaganda but I can assure you that I can read and listen in few languages.


"... it takes two hands to clap but it also it takes two eye to cry".

Tell me one reason before the war started why was Serbia bombed? Why Serbia was forced to leave Kosova? Does Serbia have any authority as a sovereign country over Kosova? The correct answers are a REALITY.

"At the end of the day by choosing not to discuss it with Serbia and by accepting the backing of the Western colonialists the Kosovar leadership has placed everything in a precarious position."

Again you have got the FACTS wrong! Kosova's leadership are willing to discuss with Serbia any issue as two independent countries and without belitteling each other. As far as I know a Friendship Pact has been put forward by Kosovars to Serbia.
This is the REALITY. Not yours or mine but reality.
So, the ther REAL WORLD for you is one thing but the actual REAL WORLD unfortuanetely seems to evade your sights.

The REAL WORLD does see Kosova as an independent country from Serbia. We have to agree to disagree about the REAL WORLD.
Let's ask B92 for a poll about the REAL WORLD)))
Albanian Siding (USA,UK,FRANCE, ITALY MOST OF EU,CANADA,AUSTRALIA) AND Serbs siding (RUSSIA, CHINA, INDIA, BRASIL,CYPRUS,MOST AFRICAN COUNTRIES, ROMANIA)

python_indian

pre 15 godina

Well we indians completely support their territorial integrity of serbia over kosovo

Kosovo lacks resources and economy to survive alone

and after all its a muslim country ....we already have few islamic terrorists states ..

so kosovi is better off with serbia

Days Of USA and its junior Europe are over

china ,india and russia outweighs any other group

while India has some strategic relationship with Usa but its limited to their technology and countering chinese influence,which moreover is american problem

But india continues to take its own decision and it has an independent foreign policy

TO summarize we dont want another Terrorist state of islam