"Guide through Serbia's EU association"

"We feel morally responsible to provide Serbia with all support on its path to the EU" Hubačkova said.
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I assume they feel morally responsible due to the immoral act of recognising occupied Serbian territory run by criminals and terrorists.

Isn't it funny how all of these immoral countries that would give Albanians two states at the expense of Serbia have all come out to say they support Serbia? Give me a break!

I don't think opposition to Serbia's EU prospect would be so strong if the EU treated Serbia just like other members. Their loss I say!

ZK, I think other Western Balkan countries are doing quite well without Serbia. Croatia and Macedonia are EU candidate states, Montenegro submitted its application for EU membership and Albania will probably submit its EU membership application this year.
(Mircea, 21 January 2009 16:26)
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You have mentioned that numerous times already but why does it matter? It seems the EU has realised that without Serbia in the EU around the same time as the others, there will be real problems with their economies.

So let them join before Serbia. I'm fine with that but what do you think will happen to their economies when new trade restrictions come into place? Serbia is a major factor to many neighbouring economies so they are not doing fine without Serbia, now are they? They in fact rely on Serbia quite heavily!

So the EU better hope that a new government doesn't take hold otherwise all of these free give-aways currently being impelmented will disappear and the EU will have to focus on resolving the Kosovo issue (most likely in Serbia's favour) otherwise, bye bye it will be.

Mircea, you really are sounding like a broken record. I do understand that those narrow minded people with tunnel vision would probably agree with you.

Serbia doesn't have to be in the EU - however, other Western Balkan nations will struggle to survive without Serbia. That is why the EU needs Serbia and without it there will be no success.

Serbia should basically strengthen ties where interests lie. That is with the EU and BRIC nations. We are in a strong position and shouldn't put all of our eggs in the one basket.

And as punishment, Serbia should hold off until the Kosovo matter is fully resolved as Kostunica has suggested.

ZK

Becoming an EU member does not necessarily mean putting eggs in one basket. They can be an EU member and still have open trade with the BRIC countries, as EU members have.

It's only an economic bloc, and the largest economy in the world, one that does not determine allegiance like, for example, NATO and SCO.

Zk,

Without the EU Serbia has no future! The sooner Serbs realize this, the better it will be for them.
(Mircea, 21 January 2009 14:15)

I have very little knowledge of what being in the EU will provide...

1.) someone who is a plumber

2.) someone who is a cashier at a grocery store

3.) someone who works in a fashionable boutique

4.) someone who is a truck driver between Nis and Novi Sad

5.) someone who is retired for the past 10 years.

6.) someone who works at a kiosk

7.) someone who plays in first division football for one of the weaker teams that do not pay so well

8.) someone who works for a TV station as a cameraman/sound editor/etc

9.) someone who is a securityguard

10.) someone who works in a beauty salon

etc... i can go on and list way more jobs, but can you Mircea or someone else explain to me how being in the EU will benefit those people?

thank you

And do you realize mircea that those Balkan countries cannot enter the EU without Serbia because their populations are too small individually to make the expensive and time consuming decision to admit them one by one?

Serbia being the single Balkan country with the largest population is needed to integrate the entire western Balkans into the EU. Think about it. The same was done with the Baltic states and most recently Bulgaria and your Romania although neither of those two countries were in any way "ready" to join.

And there is always a alternative, at least in Serbia's eyes. We never give up unlike some people...

Peter the EU is already beginning to alter its internal (and foreign *for a trade bloc?*) policy and is beginning to look like a new NATO each day. Soon each member states will be obliged to defend one another should the need ever arise.

"And do you realize mircea that those Balkan countries cannot enter the EU without Serbia because their populations are too small individually to make the expensive and time consuming decision to admit them one by one? "

Is it a requirement to delusional to be a 'true' Serb? Where did you get that from? EU of course wants ALL European nations to eventually join, but first they must adopt EU values. Serbia is confrontational with all it's neighbors so Serbia must change, not EU. EU might be afraid that others will block Serbia but that's about it. For example, Croatia and Albania are in NATO and if (or when) Serbia wants to get in NATO, they might cause some delays for Serbia, unless Serbia changes attitude.

Smaller nations are much much easier to deal with for EU. Romania and Bulgaria flooded them with immigrants.

Croatia is almost in, Albania's SAA has been approved by 100% of nations, and so on. Serbia has about 7.3 million, or about twice Albania's population, not 10X.

Zk,

Without the EU Serbia has no future! The sooner Serbs realize this, the better it will be for them.

Mircea, why are you so obsessed with Serbia and the EU? Isn't there anything interesting going on in Romania to keep your attention?

And those countries you mentioned aren't really doing so hot. Croatia still has a large unemployment rate and many poor people. As well they have a huge and growing foreign deficit and trade imbalance - larger than Serbia.

Slovenia was the richest when it broke off - partially thanks to their people in power in Yugoslavia (Kardelj and Dolanc - the next most powerful to Slovene/Croat Tito) who moved the best factories and businesses to Slovenia.

They have basically stagnated - not a whole bunch of innovations or improvement from where they left off. Culturally they don't produce the quality and good films and music as Serbia does, nor quite the athletic talent.

All Serbia needs is to be treated fairly or decently with respect to travel and trade, and to have the demonization and interference in it stopped, then it would do well.

A lot of its problems have to do with the war, infrastructure damage, refugees, sanctions, stolen property and land, pressures from the west, abuse and prejudice against their people, media propaganda against them, etc. Without those Serbia would recover.

Dardania I think your delusional to think there is a classification of "true Serb"... your either a Serb or your not.

Mircea - No I don't think they will because the EU still needs grow up and settle its own internal issues like its constitution because without it, no new members. ;)

"Smaller nations are much much easier to deal with for EU."

Of course it is because the EU has a very very small brain... but the point stands the process of membership is expensive and time consuming which is why they will opt for all the countries in the Balkans to join at the same time.

Glad you brought up NATO because it proves my point. Croatia is far ahead of Albania in military means and FYROM and yet they are still forced to join at the same time with Albania minus FYROM.

ZK wrote:

"Serbia doesn't have to be in the EU - however, other Western Balkan nations will struggle to survive without Serbia"

ZK, I think other Western Balkan countries are doing quite well without Serbia. Croatia and Macedonia are EU candidate states, Montenegro submitted its application for EU membership and Albania will probably submit its EU membership application this year.

PS: Romania will win the football match against Serbia on 28 March.

ZK,

You seem to think that the Western Balkan countries are lost without Serbia. This is not the case.

Let me remind you that Slovenia is performing well without Serbia's help. Slovenia is a member of the EU, entered the Schengen area and adopted the Euro.

Furthermore, Croatia, Macedonia and Montenegro are advancing on the path to the EU.

for Duro:

So you think Croatia, Macedonia and Montenegro will not be able to join the EU until Serbia will be ready for EU membership? I think you are mistaken.

Mircea, you really are sounding like a broken record. I do understand that those narrow minded people with tunnel vision would probably agree with you.

Serbia doesn't have to be in the EU - however, other Western Balkan nations will struggle to survive without Serbia. That is why the EU needs Serbia and without it there will be no success.

Serbia should basically strengthen ties where interests lie. That is with the EU and BRIC nations. We are in a strong position and shouldn't put all of our eggs in the one basket.

And as punishment, Serbia should hold off until the Kosovo matter is fully resolved as Kostunica has suggested.

"We feel morally responsible to provide Serbia with all support on its path to the EU" Hubačkova said.
--
I assume they feel morally responsible due to the immoral act of recognising occupied Serbian territory run by criminals and terrorists.

Isn't it funny how all of these immoral countries that would give Albanians two states at the expense of Serbia have all come out to say they support Serbia? Give me a break!

I don't think opposition to Serbia's EU prospect would be so strong if the EU treated Serbia just like other members. Their loss I say!

Zk,

Without the EU Serbia has no future! The sooner Serbs realize this, the better it will be for them.

ZK,

You seem to think that the Western Balkan countries are lost without Serbia. This is not the case.

Let me remind you that Slovenia is performing well without Serbia's help. Slovenia is a member of the EU, entered the Schengen area and adopted the Euro.

Furthermore, Croatia, Macedonia and Montenegro are advancing on the path to the EU.

ZK wrote:

"Serbia doesn't have to be in the EU - however, other Western Balkan nations will struggle to survive without Serbia"

ZK, I think other Western Balkan countries are doing quite well without Serbia. Croatia and Macedonia are EU candidate states, Montenegro submitted its application for EU membership and Albania will probably submit its EU membership application this year.

PS: Romania will win the football match against Serbia on 28 March.

ZK, I think other Western Balkan countries are doing quite well without Serbia. Croatia and Macedonia are EU candidate states, Montenegro submitted its application for EU membership and Albania will probably submit its EU membership application this year.
(Mircea, 21 January 2009 16:26)
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You have mentioned that numerous times already but why does it matter? It seems the EU has realised that without Serbia in the EU around the same time as the others, there will be real problems with their economies.

So let them join before Serbia. I'm fine with that but what do you think will happen to their economies when new trade restrictions come into place? Serbia is a major factor to many neighbouring economies so they are not doing fine without Serbia, now are they? They in fact rely on Serbia quite heavily!

So the EU better hope that a new government doesn't take hold otherwise all of these free give-aways currently being impelmented will disappear and the EU will have to focus on resolving the Kosovo issue (most likely in Serbia's favour) otherwise, bye bye it will be.

"And do you realize mircea that those Balkan countries cannot enter the EU without Serbia because their populations are too small individually to make the expensive and time consuming decision to admit them one by one? "

Is it a requirement to delusional to be a 'true' Serb? Where did you get that from? EU of course wants ALL European nations to eventually join, but first they must adopt EU values. Serbia is confrontational with all it's neighbors so Serbia must change, not EU. EU might be afraid that others will block Serbia but that's about it. For example, Croatia and Albania are in NATO and if (or when) Serbia wants to get in NATO, they might cause some delays for Serbia, unless Serbia changes attitude.

Smaller nations are much much easier to deal with for EU. Romania and Bulgaria flooded them with immigrants.

Croatia is almost in, Albania's SAA has been approved by 100% of nations, and so on. Serbia has about 7.3 million, or about twice Albania's population, not 10X.

for Duro:

So you think Croatia, Macedonia and Montenegro will not be able to join the EU until Serbia will be ready for EU membership? I think you are mistaken.

Zk,

Without the EU Serbia has no future! The sooner Serbs realize this, the better it will be for them.
(Mircea, 21 January 2009 14:15)

I have very little knowledge of what being in the EU will provide...

1.) someone who is a plumber

2.) someone who is a cashier at a grocery store

3.) someone who works in a fashionable boutique

4.) someone who is a truck driver between Nis and Novi Sad

5.) someone who is retired for the past 10 years.

6.) someone who works at a kiosk

7.) someone who plays in first division football for one of the weaker teams that do not pay so well

8.) someone who works for a TV station as a cameraman/sound editor/etc

9.) someone who is a securityguard

10.) someone who works in a beauty salon

etc... i can go on and list way more jobs, but can you Mircea or someone else explain to me how being in the EU will benefit those people?

thank you

ZK

Becoming an EU member does not necessarily mean putting eggs in one basket. They can be an EU member and still have open trade with the BRIC countries, as EU members have.

It's only an economic bloc, and the largest economy in the world, one that does not determine allegiance like, for example, NATO and SCO.

And do you realize mircea that those Balkan countries cannot enter the EU without Serbia because their populations are too small individually to make the expensive and time consuming decision to admit them one by one?

Serbia being the single Balkan country with the largest population is needed to integrate the entire western Balkans into the EU. Think about it. The same was done with the Baltic states and most recently Bulgaria and your Romania although neither of those two countries were in any way "ready" to join.

And there is always a alternative, at least in Serbia's eyes. We never give up unlike some people...

Peter the EU is already beginning to alter its internal (and foreign *for a trade bloc?*) policy and is beginning to look like a new NATO each day. Soon each member states will be obliged to defend one another should the need ever arise.

Dardania I think your delusional to think there is a classification of "true Serb"... your either a Serb or your not.

Mircea - No I don't think they will because the EU still needs grow up and settle its own internal issues like its constitution because without it, no new members. ;)

"Smaller nations are much much easier to deal with for EU."

Of course it is because the EU has a very very small brain... but the point stands the process of membership is expensive and time consuming which is why they will opt for all the countries in the Balkans to join at the same time.

Glad you brought up NATO because it proves my point. Croatia is far ahead of Albania in military means and FYROM and yet they are still forced to join at the same time with Albania minus FYROM.

Mircea, why are you so obsessed with Serbia and the EU? Isn't there anything interesting going on in Romania to keep your attention?

And those countries you mentioned aren't really doing so hot. Croatia still has a large unemployment rate and many poor people. As well they have a huge and growing foreign deficit and trade imbalance - larger than Serbia.

Slovenia was the richest when it broke off - partially thanks to their people in power in Yugoslavia (Kardelj and Dolanc - the next most powerful to Slovene/Croat Tito) who moved the best factories and businesses to Slovenia.

They have basically stagnated - not a whole bunch of innovations or improvement from where they left off. Culturally they don't produce the quality and good films and music as Serbia does, nor quite the athletic talent.

All Serbia needs is to be treated fairly or decently with respect to travel and trade, and to have the demonization and interference in it stopped, then it would do well.

A lot of its problems have to do with the war, infrastructure damage, refugees, sanctions, stolen property and land, pressures from the west, abuse and prejudice against their people, media propaganda against them, etc. Without those Serbia would recover.