Karadžić wants Holbrooke deal made public

I agree - people should see what and who they're dealing with. Maybe then the wool wouldn't be pulled quite as far over people's eyes.

Absolutely, lets expose this NATO and political court for what it really is. It's interesting to note that Karadžić's capture wasn't really conditioned on Serbia precisely due to the agreements in place. Now that he is there, it's time to expose the back room deals being made and to shed some light on why non-Serbian war criminals and murderers get off so lightly.

Lets see the deals and if this NATO court has indeed made an agreement with Holbrooke to give Karadžić immunity then I can just imagine all of the other deals it has made regarding the acquittal of Albanian, Croatian and Bosnian murderers and war Criminals.

Looks like Karadžić is onto something here. I just hope he isn't found dead in his cell.

"We're dealing with the alleged mastermind to the first genocide and concentration camps since WWII in Europe."

The Croats and Muslims had concentration camps of Serbs at the start of the war - the grain silo at Tarcin was just one of hundreds which held Serbs. There were also many rape and torture camps in the Muslim controlled sectors of Sarajevo.

As well the Muslims murdered the retreating Yugoslav army soldiers at the beginning of the war - even though there was a UN brokered deal for them to leave.

The census also does not show any genocide of the Muslim population - they simply relocated to Tuzla and Sarajevo from Srebrenica.

There were thousands of their army who made it to Tuzla in the weeks after the fall - they simply snuck/walked out before the Serbs got there.

They abandoned the city without fighting - despite them having the larger army in that area - 9,000 Bosnian Muslim army versus 2,000 Serbian army to Srebrenica.

The Srebrenica Muslim army could have easily held off the smaller number of Serb forces coming if they didn't de-man their defensive positions on command. It was a planned evacuation.

" I think Holbrooke should be held accountable, but there should be no leniency given on Karadzic's behalf."

Totally agree with you pss. Holbrooke in my eyes is a despicable human being. But this should not let Karadzic off. It's like getting permission from the chief of police to gun down your main rival and then claim you were acting "under permission" when thrown before the judge. You pay for the crime you committed, but if information does link back to the chief of police, his rear end should be hauled before the judge too.

kate,
where is this information to come from. He swears it happened, has no evidence. Holbrooke denies it, everyone denies it, there is no proof it didn't happen. If he has proof it did it is up to him to show it. But in the end it has no-zero-nada- bearing on his guilt or innocence.
If it did happen, I think Holbrooke should be held accountable, but there should be no leniency given on Karadzic's behalf. As a matter of fact his insistence there was a need for such an agreement should be taken as an admission of guilt, and should such proof ever be produced that an agreement took place then it should sign, seal, and deliver a guilty verdict and Karadzic should never see sunlight again.

"I agree - people should see what and who they're dealing with"

We're dealing with the alleged mastermind to the first genocide and concentration camps since WWII in Europe. What this alleged monster says is irrelevant anyway, Holbrooke had no right to give him immunity so even if he did it's not legally binding.

Oh well, if a deal between Karadzic and Holbrooke really exists, Karadzic should have had a copy of it, signed by all parts, handed to a trusted lawyer to make it public when needed. It's useless to ask the other part prove your point. I don't believe Karadzic could strike a verbal agreement or doesn't have proofs on its own to show in the right moment, he isn't a kid. That's how these kind of things work.

Dardania said:
"Holbrooke had no right to give him immunity so even if he did it's not legally binding."
That almost sounds like you think that the law should be followed to the letter. Funny how when talking about Kosovo you feel the opposite. Which is it man? Do you want the law to be followed or applied at all times, or are you taking the stance that Kosovo is unique and thus it uniquely doesn't have to follow laws and order?

BTW, I do agree with you. Regardless of what Karadzic and Holbrooke may or may not have agreed to, this agreement would have no legal bearing. It would just be a smear on the face of Holbrooke; which might be deserved, especially if there is/was actually an agreement between these two.

kate,
where is this information to come from. He swears it happened, has no evidence. Holbrooke denies it, everyone denies it, there is no proof it didn't happen. If he has proof it did it is up to him to show it. But in the end it has no-zero-nada- bearing on his guilt or innocence.
If it did happen, I think Holbrooke should be held accountable, but there should be no leniency given on Karadzic's behalf. As a matter of fact his insistence there was a need for such an agreement should be taken as an admission of guilt, and should such proof ever be produced that an agreement took place then it should sign, seal, and deliver a guilty verdict and Karadzic should never see sunlight again.

"I agree - people should see what and who they're dealing with"

We're dealing with the alleged mastermind to the first genocide and concentration camps since WWII in Europe. What this alleged monster says is irrelevant anyway, Holbrooke had no right to give him immunity so even if he did it's not legally binding.

Oh well, if a deal between Karadzic and Holbrooke really exists, Karadzic should have had a copy of it, signed by all parts, handed to a trusted lawyer to make it public when needed. It's useless to ask the other part prove your point. I don't believe Karadzic could strike a verbal agreement or doesn't have proofs on its own to show in the right moment, he isn't a kid. That's how these kind of things work.

"We're dealing with the alleged mastermind to the first genocide and concentration camps since WWII in Europe."

The Croats and Muslims had concentration camps of Serbs at the start of the war - the grain silo at Tarcin was just one of hundreds which held Serbs. There were also many rape and torture camps in the Muslim controlled sectors of Sarajevo.

As well the Muslims murdered the retreating Yugoslav army soldiers at the beginning of the war - even though there was a UN brokered deal for them to leave.

The census also does not show any genocide of the Muslim population - they simply relocated to Tuzla and Sarajevo from Srebrenica.

There were thousands of their army who made it to Tuzla in the weeks after the fall - they simply snuck/walked out before the Serbs got there.

They abandoned the city without fighting - despite them having the larger army in that area - 9,000 Bosnian Muslim army versus 2,000 Serbian army to Srebrenica.

The Srebrenica Muslim army could have easily held off the smaller number of Serb forces coming if they didn't de-man their defensive positions on command. It was a planned evacuation.

I agree - people should see what and who they're dealing with. Maybe then the wool wouldn't be pulled quite as far over people's eyes.

Absolutely, lets expose this NATO and political court for what it really is. It's interesting to note that Karadžić's capture wasn't really conditioned on Serbia precisely due to the agreements in place. Now that he is there, it's time to expose the back room deals being made and to shed some light on why non-Serbian war criminals and murderers get off so lightly.

" I think Holbrooke should be held accountable, but there should be no leniency given on Karadzic's behalf."

Totally agree with you pss. Holbrooke in my eyes is a despicable human being. But this should not let Karadzic off. It's like getting permission from the chief of police to gun down your main rival and then claim you were acting "under permission" when thrown before the judge. You pay for the crime you committed, but if information does link back to the chief of police, his rear end should be hauled before the judge too.

Lets see the deals and if this NATO court has indeed made an agreement with Holbrooke to give Karadžić immunity then I can just imagine all of the other deals it has made regarding the acquittal of Albanian, Croatian and Bosnian murderers and war Criminals.

Looks like Karadžić is onto something here. I just hope he isn't found dead in his cell.

Dardania said:
"Holbrooke had no right to give him immunity so even if he did it's not legally binding."
That almost sounds like you think that the law should be followed to the letter. Funny how when talking about Kosovo you feel the opposite. Which is it man? Do you want the law to be followed or applied at all times, or are you taking the stance that Kosovo is unique and thus it uniquely doesn't have to follow laws and order?

BTW, I do agree with you. Regardless of what Karadzic and Holbrooke may or may not have agreed to, this agreement would have no legal bearing. It would just be a smear on the face of Holbrooke; which might be deserved, especially if there is/was actually an agreement between these two.