"Arresting Mladić not enough"

"We are all aware of Belgrade's position on Kosovo, but at the same time Serbia must help the European Union develop Kosovo and send a signal that it wants the EU to succeed in Kosovo, regardless of the status issue."

So they want Serbia to help the occupiers cement their theft and lop off 15% of its own territory. This is not going to happen.
Kosovo is a fake, illegal, and immoral 'state', which is run by NATO war criminals. It is a mutant. We Serbs will make sure that this so called 'state', fails, and fails miserably. When outside forces try to steal 15% of your territory, any sovereign nation would react the same.
No EU membership you say? Who cares!!! The void will be filled by our true friend, Russia, who actually help us and defends our interests. This will be better for Serbia anyway, as the power balance in the world is changing fast. The BRIC countries all do not recognize Kosovo, and they are the future.
I certainly hope we get a government in place that plays hardball with the EU, and tells it to them straight - we are already in Europe, we are not sending anyone to that anti-Serb political kangaroo court in the Hague, we are never ever recognizing Kosovo and it is even in our constitution (and neither will Russia), Serbia does not need you and are happy to turn our backs on you or any country who violates our territorial integrity.
That will work much better than Tadic's pathetic lapdog approach to appeasing.

Just as I said the whole time. Åies, lies and damned lies is all that is coming out of that evil organisation. Serbia has done it's utmost to try to arrange negotiations about the Kosovo status. It is EU that don't want further negotiations. Serbia was promised the Kosovo question would be kept separate from EU integration. More lies and broken promises from EU.

I am not an Albanian or, for that matter, a Serb. I'm just a guy from a very large country who wants stability in the Balkans. We hope you understand that Kosova's status is a real concern to Europe. Overwhelmingly, most of us see the unquestionable need for her independence and hope that you will also. This is a condition that must be met before Serbia is ever considered eligible for membership in the EU.

Kufr has a point, through 2008 the EU has dangled a carrot to Serbia. However the EU has not delivered, where progress was made the Dutch blocked it due to there failings in Bosnia.

Ok the majority of EU members have backed Kosovo independence but is that there policy or following the US policy? The EU has not spoke in one voice as some members do not recognise Kosovo independence.

MJ: how is Kosovo independence going to give the Balkans stability? Are you saying if it doesn't the the K-Albanians will wage war? so are we giving in to terrorists like the KLA? I dont see Israel doing that do you with Hamas.

The best solution for Kosovo is to be administered by the UN, the Albanians do not want to live under Serb rule and the K-Serbs dont want to live under Albanian rule. Until the two sides get on there will be no stability, independent or not.

Serbia has stated clearly it will give up the EU path in favour of keeping Kosovo. Many EU ministers have commented that Serbia is the most important country in the Balkans and not to have it in the EU would leave a void in the area.

MJ:This is a condition that must be met before Serbia is ever considered eligible for membership in the EU.

So we in the EU are into blackmail now are we.

The EU should have left Kosovo to the UN as this might prove a major headache in the future. Already we have seen problems since the EU started to take over.

How on Earth can this ESI 'head' Knaus expect to be taken seriously?
The EU/US consortium created and manipulated the entire tragedy of Kosovo and now they want Belgrade to help them to remedy their litany of wrongdoings.

The ESI claims on their website that the 'ESI is a non-profit research and policy institute, created in recognition of the need for independent, in-depth analysis of the complex issues involved in promoting stability and prosperity in Europe.'
What a load of rubbish!

Mr. Knaus, Ms. Knaus and their 'tagalongs' would do well to conduct a serious moral inventory of themselves.
They might also try to reform their 'organisation' so as to initiate stability in Europe.

MB, Ireland

Serbia has offered numerous solutions and compromises over Kosovo. The government in Pristina has just been constantly rejecting every single one due to the perceived carte blanche from Washington. Please do not look to Belgrade as the root of your own created problems. Belgrade is looking out for its own interests, just like every other contributing power in the region.

Michael John - "Overwhelmingly, most of us see the unquestionable need for her independence"

why?

Kosovo is not recognized by 100 countries.

More importantly: China and Russia will veto Kosovo entry to UN!

UNMIK is still in charge.

1244 is still valid.

Spain, Slovakia and Rumania will never accept Kosovo in EU as they know that parts of their territory can be next.

To sum up: whole Kosovo policy is a mess!

Well Berkeley,

If the precondition is to accept the ethnic cleansing of 300 000 Serbs out of Kosovo to have good relations with Albanians and landstealing , then no we will not have relations at all.
BTW Serbia doesn`t need the EU we have a free trade agreement with Russia,China.
I think our government should simply cut this whole EU bs and turn to really important things like developing our economy.
Norway and Switzerland are not members and they are the wealthiest nations in Europe.

BTW Spain,Romania and Slovakia will also veto any attempt by "Kosova" to join EU.

"Serbia is not helping find a solution for Kosovo, and the EU has no solution"

my heart bleeds for you. it couldn’t have happened to a better bunch of borg :)

we told you about encouraging albanians in our land and much of the sane world told you, dont do it, its a stupid dangerous precedent that makes no sense and is completely illegal in national laws and international law. but what did eu do? use miserable slovanian presidency to push more insane bush agenda in this world. regrettable.
so now we're supposed to cut our own throats to help eu out of its own filthy kosovo mess?
no. this government will tell you no, and the next one, and the one a hundred years from now. eu installed this government but yes is not something it can say. the country is saying no with all its heart and being, except for a few lost souls who are very loud on eu sponsored media.
so now come back to the table, talk, shut up or put up.

btw, i love how dnevnik is turning into eu feelers rag. just like blic is for ds. sad days for serbian media. i dont think it's been this bad low and unprofessional since milosevic's days.

adam

How come you still rely on res 1244 ? It has'nt bring you nothing so far so why still belive in it ?

Well this is the prove 1244 is still valid because Albanians are trying to convince us to let it go it only shows that they deep in their heart know that until this resolution is into place their "state " is nul and void.
Well my Albanian friends,with the srategic NIS sale Russian veto on 1244 is secured for the next 600 years .

The Kosovo question and EU-membership is not two separete issues. Serbia will never get Eu membership without reconizing Kosovo. How come serbs think it's not like that. With wich borders do serbs think Serbia is goint to be a member of EU? We all know that Kosovo is not ready.

Kosovo is independent and reconized soon by more than 100 countrys. The reality on the ground is even more clearer be3cause the goverment of Kosovo rules the entire Kosovo. There is no way for Serbia to come back to Kosovo again. It's a wide dream that cannot be fullfilled in reality.


The first country in the balkans that will get Eu-membership is Croatia and Albania. Then I think Macedonia have a chance too. Serbia is far from Eu whatever some Serbs think.


Arresting Mladic and reconizing Kosovo is two real condition that Serbia needs to face. That is what I think and hope.

Let's focus more on China.

China deals with Tibet, and more importantly, Taiwan. China knows very well that Taiwan will use a Kosovo precedent!

So you have Russia and China who will veto any entry attempt of Kosovo (at the UN).

Hey, I can understand Russia and China.

Solutioin: negotiations and a mutual agreed solution.

Yes, like Slovakia!

If this is news to someone they really have no clue as to what is going on in the region. No Serbian or EU politician will admit this as

1. The arrest of Mladic is a higher priority to EU as it is an acid test for the DS administration (to see how well they "fetch")
2. Kosovo recognitions have lost momentum so until the momentum is back or at least slightly regained (say with 80-100 recognitions) they have to stay silent as they cannot quote the majority of the world's support
3. Kosovo still has to show it is making the necessary reforms to be taken seriously as a country (e.g. security of Serbs and other non albanians for one, not to mention actual economic development)

Obviously EU will not allow a nation whose territorial integrity is challenged to join its ranks so anyone claiming that joining EU and Kosovo status are somehow disjoint doesn't know what they are talking about.

Personally, I believe Serbia should play both sides, EU and Russia/China/East as this will ensure it has the most diplomatic support and best economic perspectives/opportunities. Serbia should strive for getting all the benefits of being a EU member without actually joining. I say this because EU, while it started as an economic union has turned into a political union and this is not good especially for new members as EU will soon have its own army/task force and its the newer members that will get used for cannon fodder, among other things...

EU wont make the same misstake it did with Cyprus, Serbia wont join until it recognize the new Republic of Kosova.

Serbia in EU.....hmmmm maybe in 20 years?

Why reward a country which protects an International War Criminal? Those countries that harbor terrorists must be punished.

CG,

is that why your belowed Russia left you frizing over your X mas.

I say good luck on the path you wish to chose but don't count Kosova on it as we have openly and loudly stated our objectives.

"Serbia in EU.....hmmmm maybe in 20 years?

Why reward a country which protects an International War Criminal? Those countries that harbor terrorists must be punished.
(L*O*G*I*C, 11 January 2009 17:16)"

"LOGIC",

Your US, EU and NATO masters all harbor true war criminals and so does the illegal and temporary government in Pristina, who have no choice since they are war criminals and terrorist themselves. Of course one cannot punish Kosovo according to your logic
for it is not a country. Serbia outside of the EU for another 20 years. That sounds good to me and bye that time the EU will have destroyed itself. In addition, in the next 20 years Albania and Kosovo will not enter the EU as well and Kosovo will not be a member of anything significant.

I think we should once and for all quit the road to the EU.Serbia needs to be neutral,it needs to concentrate on economic development and thats it.
We lived nearly 2000 years without the EU and we can continue to live without it.
I am a businessman that employs 20 people that make parts for big automanufacturers in Europe and Russia,we have basicely the same treatment as EU members so I don`t see any desperate need to join this new "Jugoslavija" that is doomed to fail because of internal rivalries.
Serbs ,believe in God and your work there are no free handouts anyhere.

Kufr, this was never a lie but a clear fact that without resolving the Kosovo issue Serbia will not join the EU. Just look in the EU charta and see that it a must to have peaceful relations with it's neighbors and minorities. It was the Serbian politicians who claimed it differently, but this is simply not true. If Serbia fails in that points (no extradition of Mladic and Hadzic, as well as no good relations to Albanians), it will be ultimatively stay out of the EU. This is simply a matter of fact. Gerald Knaus confirms this in his statement here.

there should be more debates in europe on european tv's regaridng kosovo. Where theres serbs, albanians and europeans discussing more broadly the issues and giving real arguments and not just the dumbed down version of the issue. I have always been pro european but if the EU continues to lead a similar US policy of "democratic" imperialism everyones freedom will be at stake eventually. Just looks at the lisbon treaty :(

One thing is for sure is that Kosovo will never be serbian. That is a done deal. And for res 1244 it is still valid but it cannot stop anything. Unmik has allready stated that it's mission in Kosovo cant no longer be function. Res 1244 diden't stop Kosovo to declare independence. it diden't either stop 53 countrys to reconize kosovo as independent. How come you still rely on res 1244 ? It has'nt bring you nothing so far so why still belive in it ?


before the summer Kosovo will get 50 more recognition. That means with + - Kosovo will have aurond 100 recognition. To become a UN-member 120 countrys have to reconize kosovo and UNSC have to approve it. What choice do russia and China have when the majority of countrys reconize kosovo ?

Slovakia,Romania and grecee have allready reconized passports coming from the REPUBLIC OF KOSOVO. That means that they also will reconize. Spain and Cypros will then have no choice iether.

The EU is full of dung, they are a racist club who only want those who will do there bidding. They don't want Turkey because of human rights issues, and not Kosovo because they are muslim. You watch when it is Kosovo they will have another song and dance just like for Serbia. Mladic is not enough well i think the best deal is Russia at least you will have Gas for the winter. What a joke, the EU crew.

Adam, you keep saying how Russia and China will have to recognize "Kosova" in the end as they will have no choice.

Do tell, who is going to arm twist them into doing this? How will they have no choice?
Russia and China don't have to say yes to anything. Their veto is for them to exercise and they don't have to explain themseves to Albanians or the US for that matter. What is going to happen if they continue to say NO?

I would like to test Gerald Knaus's knowledge on Balkans and just who is responsible for problems arising from "Kosovo" issue. Kosovo is Serbia so why ask Serbia to find a solution to Kosovo problem. If it means no EU so be it! Little Switzerland I call it.

I would like to ask Gerald Knaus just what is to stop Serbs in "Republika Srpska" going independent. A precedent has been made.

I also ask why the Dutch in Hague need so much to justify their existance and high incomes - why not go to Zimbabwe, Middle East or Far East for that matter?!

There will always be another reason for not having Serbia in EU. Someone will think of something.

"...without resolving the Kosovo issue Serbia will not join the EU. Just look in the EU charter and see that it a must to have peaceful relations with it's neighbors and minorities. It was the Serbian politicians who claimed it differently, but this is simply not true. If Serbia fails in that points (no extradition of Mladic and Hadzic, as well as no good relations to Albanians), it will be ultimately stay out of the EU. This is simply a matter of fact. Gerald Knaus confirms this in his statement here.
(Berkeley)

thank you berkeley, that is clear and concise, and something that has been obvious to many of us for a long, long time. of course certain members of the eu send out mixed signals, which is dangerous and feeds on the rhetoric of the nationalist demagogues. but in the end there is no chance of eu entry without the peaceful and equitable resolution of these ongoing issues. and the eu is the one hope for the people of the region, all of the people.

if the belgrade politicians are really looking out for serbia's interests (leaving all thoughts of morality aside, of course) they need to consider the real path to the eu and concrete progress, rather than continuing to retread the same bad old ways.

thank you. some good postings today.

roberto/ frisco

For months now, EU was claiming "no new conditions" for EU entry for Serbia. Of course not.No need for something like that. Because the EU arrogance has at its disposal the phrase "we are not happy" with whatever suits them in a given moment.Like:"If he (Mladic) were arrested in the summer" Ever heard something more ridiculous from somebody judged to be one of the most knowledgeable political analysts in a field? What are the others, less able once, like; God save us from them all? So, there is no need for naming any conditions - it would suffice just to voice a displeasure with anything.
But I am so sure that the biggest yet displeasure with Serbia will never be stated in public: the recent signing of South Stream agreement. The act prolonged and dragged till the last possible moment due to political impotency on the part of some politicians, paralyzed by EU worshipping!

I agree with "Observer", Serbs and Albanians as well are being treated like little children.

just as the Ottoman turs treated the balkan nations which they used to call "raja", ...what perfectly displays their "civilized" standpoint towards other nations.

the only difference is: Serbs have international law AND two veto-powers on their side.

that´s what counts, actually.

so, first we´re in a stalemate, but the times are gonna change, and as things look like, future is on Serbia´s side.

Down the road to EU membership, Serbia will have to find a solution to its relationships with Kosovo. The EU is not ready to bring in new member who bear unresolved problems. Just look at Macedonia membership to Nato. Greece is blocking its entry because of the name and there is no solution on horizon.

When it will be queation of full membership Serbia will face the dilemma of recognizing Kosovo or abandon EU membership. EU is moving very carefully and one step at a time. For the moment Serbia is saying it will give up EU. Let's wait and see.

The main reason there is no real peace and a lasting solution on Kosovo is because the international community speaks with 100 voices. Everyone is saying something different. I wonder how many solutions there have been negotiated for Kosovo? The serbs have accepted one solution and the albanians another. The serbs and the Albanians interpret every new solution in a way that fits their agenda. The international community needs to resolve their differences before they force upon a solution on other people. Look at the situtation in Kosovo. If serbs are forced to chose between Kosovo and the EU there will be a lot of anger. The same goes for the albanians. If they don't get the Ahtisari plan they will not be happy. How can there be peace if people are not satisfied and feel betrayed? To bad the Balkan nations are incapable of cooperating and going at it themselves.
Now we are like poor little children depending on someone to take care of us. The EU has objectives in the Balkans. They don't just "help" countries with loads of money if they don't get something in return. Is this the Europe the Balkans want to join?

I am not an Albanian or, for that matter, a Serb. I'm just a guy from a very large country who wants stability in the Balkans. We hope you understand that Kosova's status is a real concern to Europe. Overwhelmingly, most of us see the unquestionable need for her independence and hope that you will also. This is a condition that must be met before Serbia is ever considered eligible for membership in the EU.

The Kosovo question and EU-membership is not two separete issues. Serbia will never get Eu membership without reconizing Kosovo. How come serbs think it's not like that. With wich borders do serbs think Serbia is goint to be a member of EU? We all know that Kosovo is not ready.

Kosovo is independent and reconized soon by more than 100 countrys. The reality on the ground is even more clearer be3cause the goverment of Kosovo rules the entire Kosovo. There is no way for Serbia to come back to Kosovo again. It's a wide dream that cannot be fullfilled in reality.


The first country in the balkans that will get Eu-membership is Croatia and Albania. Then I think Macedonia have a chance too. Serbia is far from Eu whatever some Serbs think.


Arresting Mladic and reconizing Kosovo is two real condition that Serbia needs to face. That is what I think and hope.

EU wont make the same misstake it did with Cyprus, Serbia wont join until it recognize the new Republic of Kosova.

Serbia in EU.....hmmmm maybe in 20 years?

Why reward a country which protects an International War Criminal? Those countries that harbor terrorists must be punished.

Kufr, this was never a lie but a clear fact that without resolving the Kosovo issue Serbia will not join the EU. Just look in the EU charta and see that it a must to have peaceful relations with it's neighbors and minorities. It was the Serbian politicians who claimed it differently, but this is simply not true. If Serbia fails in that points (no extradition of Mladic and Hadzic, as well as no good relations to Albanians), it will be ultimatively stay out of the EU. This is simply a matter of fact. Gerald Knaus confirms this in his statement here.

One thing is for sure is that Kosovo will never be serbian. That is a done deal. And for res 1244 it is still valid but it cannot stop anything. Unmik has allready stated that it's mission in Kosovo cant no longer be function. Res 1244 diden't stop Kosovo to declare independence. it diden't either stop 53 countrys to reconize kosovo as independent. How come you still rely on res 1244 ? It has'nt bring you nothing so far so why still belive in it ?


before the summer Kosovo will get 50 more recognition. That means with + - Kosovo will have aurond 100 recognition. To become a UN-member 120 countrys have to reconize kosovo and UNSC have to approve it. What choice do russia and China have when the majority of countrys reconize kosovo ?

Slovakia,Romania and grecee have allready reconized passports coming from the REPUBLIC OF KOSOVO. That means that they also will reconize. Spain and Cypros will then have no choice iether.

"...without resolving the Kosovo issue Serbia will not join the EU. Just look in the EU charter and see that it a must to have peaceful relations with it's neighbors and minorities. It was the Serbian politicians who claimed it differently, but this is simply not true. If Serbia fails in that points (no extradition of Mladic and Hadzic, as well as no good relations to Albanians), it will be ultimately stay out of the EU. This is simply a matter of fact. Gerald Knaus confirms this in his statement here.
(Berkeley)

thank you berkeley, that is clear and concise, and something that has been obvious to many of us for a long, long time. of course certain members of the eu send out mixed signals, which is dangerous and feeds on the rhetoric of the nationalist demagogues. but in the end there is no chance of eu entry without the peaceful and equitable resolution of these ongoing issues. and the eu is the one hope for the people of the region, all of the people.

if the belgrade politicians are really looking out for serbia's interests (leaving all thoughts of morality aside, of course) they need to consider the real path to the eu and concrete progress, rather than continuing to retread the same bad old ways.

thank you. some good postings today.

roberto/ frisco

Just as I said the whole time. Åies, lies and damned lies is all that is coming out of that evil organisation. Serbia has done it's utmost to try to arrange negotiations about the Kosovo status. It is EU that don't want further negotiations. Serbia was promised the Kosovo question would be kept separate from EU integration. More lies and broken promises from EU.

"We are all aware of Belgrade's position on Kosovo, but at the same time Serbia must help the European Union develop Kosovo and send a signal that it wants the EU to succeed in Kosovo, regardless of the status issue."

So they want Serbia to help the occupiers cement their theft and lop off 15% of its own territory. This is not going to happen.
Kosovo is a fake, illegal, and immoral 'state', which is run by NATO war criminals. It is a mutant. We Serbs will make sure that this so called 'state', fails, and fails miserably. When outside forces try to steal 15% of your territory, any sovereign nation would react the same.
No EU membership you say? Who cares!!! The void will be filled by our true friend, Russia, who actually help us and defends our interests. This will be better for Serbia anyway, as the power balance in the world is changing fast. The BRIC countries all do not recognize Kosovo, and they are the future.
I certainly hope we get a government in place that plays hardball with the EU, and tells it to them straight - we are already in Europe, we are not sending anyone to that anti-Serb political kangaroo court in the Hague, we are never ever recognizing Kosovo and it is even in our constitution (and neither will Russia), Serbia does not need you and are happy to turn our backs on you or any country who violates our territorial integrity.
That will work much better than Tadic's pathetic lapdog approach to appeasing.

Kufr has a point, through 2008 the EU has dangled a carrot to Serbia. However the EU has not delivered, where progress was made the Dutch blocked it due to there failings in Bosnia.

Ok the majority of EU members have backed Kosovo independence but is that there policy or following the US policy? The EU has not spoke in one voice as some members do not recognise Kosovo independence.

MJ: how is Kosovo independence going to give the Balkans stability? Are you saying if it doesn't the the K-Albanians will wage war? so are we giving in to terrorists like the KLA? I dont see Israel doing that do you with Hamas.

The best solution for Kosovo is to be administered by the UN, the Albanians do not want to live under Serb rule and the K-Serbs dont want to live under Albanian rule. Until the two sides get on there will be no stability, independent or not.

Serbia has stated clearly it will give up the EU path in favour of keeping Kosovo. Many EU ministers have commented that Serbia is the most important country in the Balkans and not to have it in the EU would leave a void in the area.

MJ:This is a condition that must be met before Serbia is ever considered eligible for membership in the EU.

So we in the EU are into blackmail now are we.

The EU should have left Kosovo to the UN as this might prove a major headache in the future. Already we have seen problems since the EU started to take over.

CG,

is that why your belowed Russia left you frizing over your X mas.

I say good luck on the path you wish to chose but don't count Kosova on it as we have openly and loudly stated our objectives.

Kosovo is not recognized by 100 countries.

More importantly: China and Russia will veto Kosovo entry to UN!

UNMIK is still in charge.

1244 is still valid.

Spain, Slovakia and Rumania will never accept Kosovo in EU as they know that parts of their territory can be next.

To sum up: whole Kosovo policy is a mess!

How on Earth can this ESI 'head' Knaus expect to be taken seriously?
The EU/US consortium created and manipulated the entire tragedy of Kosovo and now they want Belgrade to help them to remedy their litany of wrongdoings.

The ESI claims on their website that the 'ESI is a non-profit research and policy institute, created in recognition of the need for independent, in-depth analysis of the complex issues involved in promoting stability and prosperity in Europe.'
What a load of rubbish!

Mr. Knaus, Ms. Knaus and their 'tagalongs' would do well to conduct a serious moral inventory of themselves.
They might also try to reform their 'organisation' so as to initiate stability in Europe.

MB, Ireland

"Serbia is not helping find a solution for Kosovo, and the EU has no solution"

my heart bleeds for you. it couldn’t have happened to a better bunch of borg :)

we told you about encouraging albanians in our land and much of the sane world told you, dont do it, its a stupid dangerous precedent that makes no sense and is completely illegal in national laws and international law. but what did eu do? use miserable slovanian presidency to push more insane bush agenda in this world. regrettable.
so now we're supposed to cut our own throats to help eu out of its own filthy kosovo mess?
no. this government will tell you no, and the next one, and the one a hundred years from now. eu installed this government but yes is not something it can say. the country is saying no with all its heart and being, except for a few lost souls who are very loud on eu sponsored media.
so now come back to the table, talk, shut up or put up.

btw, i love how dnevnik is turning into eu feelers rag. just like blic is for ds. sad days for serbian media. i dont think it's been this bad low and unprofessional since milosevic's days.

adam

How come you still rely on res 1244 ? It has'nt bring you nothing so far so why still belive in it ?

Well this is the prove 1244 is still valid because Albanians are trying to convince us to let it go it only shows that they deep in their heart know that until this resolution is into place their "state " is nul and void.
Well my Albanian friends,with the srategic NIS sale Russian veto on 1244 is secured for the next 600 years .

Well Berkeley,

If the precondition is to accept the ethnic cleansing of 300 000 Serbs out of Kosovo to have good relations with Albanians and landstealing , then no we will not have relations at all.
BTW Serbia doesn`t need the EU we have a free trade agreement with Russia,China.
I think our government should simply cut this whole EU bs and turn to really important things like developing our economy.
Norway and Switzerland are not members and they are the wealthiest nations in Europe.

BTW Spain,Romania and Slovakia will also veto any attempt by "Kosova" to join EU.

I think we should once and for all quit the road to the EU.Serbia needs to be neutral,it needs to concentrate on economic development and thats it.
We lived nearly 2000 years without the EU and we can continue to live without it.
I am a businessman that employs 20 people that make parts for big automanufacturers in Europe and Russia,we have basicely the same treatment as EU members so I don`t see any desperate need to join this new "Jugoslavija" that is doomed to fail because of internal rivalries.
Serbs ,believe in God and your work there are no free handouts anyhere.

Let's focus more on China.

China deals with Tibet, and more importantly, Taiwan. China knows very well that Taiwan will use a Kosovo precedent!

So you have Russia and China who will veto any entry attempt of Kosovo (at the UN).

Hey, I can understand Russia and China.

Solutioin: negotiations and a mutual agreed solution.

Yes, like Slovakia!

"Serbia in EU.....hmmmm maybe in 20 years?

Why reward a country which protects an International War Criminal? Those countries that harbor terrorists must be punished.
(L*O*G*I*C, 11 January 2009 17:16)"

"LOGIC",

Your US, EU and NATO masters all harbor true war criminals and so does the illegal and temporary government in Pristina, who have no choice since they are war criminals and terrorist themselves. Of course one cannot punish Kosovo according to your logic
for it is not a country. Serbia outside of the EU for another 20 years. That sounds good to me and bye that time the EU will have destroyed itself. In addition, in the next 20 years Albania and Kosovo will not enter the EU as well and Kosovo will not be a member of anything significant.

Michael John - "Overwhelmingly, most of us see the unquestionable need for her independence"

why?

Serbia has offered numerous solutions and compromises over Kosovo. The government in Pristina has just been constantly rejecting every single one due to the perceived carte blanche from Washington. Please do not look to Belgrade as the root of your own created problems. Belgrade is looking out for its own interests, just like every other contributing power in the region.

I would like to test Gerald Knaus's knowledge on Balkans and just who is responsible for problems arising from "Kosovo" issue. Kosovo is Serbia so why ask Serbia to find a solution to Kosovo problem. If it means no EU so be it! Little Switzerland I call it.

I would like to ask Gerald Knaus just what is to stop Serbs in "Republika Srpska" going independent. A precedent has been made.

I also ask why the Dutch in Hague need so much to justify their existance and high incomes - why not go to Zimbabwe, Middle East or Far East for that matter?!

There will always be another reason for not having Serbia in EU. Someone will think of something.

Adam, you keep saying how Russia and China will have to recognize "Kosova" in the end as they will have no choice.

Do tell, who is going to arm twist them into doing this? How will they have no choice?
Russia and China don't have to say yes to anything. Their veto is for them to exercise and they don't have to explain themseves to Albanians or the US for that matter. What is going to happen if they continue to say NO?

If this is news to someone they really have no clue as to what is going on in the region. No Serbian or EU politician will admit this as

1. The arrest of Mladic is a higher priority to EU as it is an acid test for the DS administration (to see how well they "fetch")
2. Kosovo recognitions have lost momentum so until the momentum is back or at least slightly regained (say with 80-100 recognitions) they have to stay silent as they cannot quote the majority of the world's support
3. Kosovo still has to show it is making the necessary reforms to be taken seriously as a country (e.g. security of Serbs and other non albanians for one, not to mention actual economic development)

Obviously EU will not allow a nation whose territorial integrity is challenged to join its ranks so anyone claiming that joining EU and Kosovo status are somehow disjoint doesn't know what they are talking about.

Personally, I believe Serbia should play both sides, EU and Russia/China/East as this will ensure it has the most diplomatic support and best economic perspectives/opportunities. Serbia should strive for getting all the benefits of being a EU member without actually joining. I say this because EU, while it started as an economic union has turned into a political union and this is not good especially for new members as EU will soon have its own army/task force and its the newer members that will get used for cannon fodder, among other things...

Down the road to EU membership, Serbia will have to find a solution to its relationships with Kosovo. The EU is not ready to bring in new member who bear unresolved problems. Just look at Macedonia membership to Nato. Greece is blocking its entry because of the name and there is no solution on horizon.

When it will be queation of full membership Serbia will face the dilemma of recognizing Kosovo or abandon EU membership. EU is moving very carefully and one step at a time. For the moment Serbia is saying it will give up EU. Let's wait and see.

I agree with "Observer", Serbs and Albanians as well are being treated like little children.

just as the Ottoman turs treated the balkan nations which they used to call "raja", ...what perfectly displays their "civilized" standpoint towards other nations.

the only difference is: Serbs have international law AND two veto-powers on their side.

that´s what counts, actually.

so, first we´re in a stalemate, but the times are gonna change, and as things look like, future is on Serbia´s side.

The EU is full of dung, they are a racist club who only want those who will do there bidding. They don't want Turkey because of human rights issues, and not Kosovo because they are muslim. You watch when it is Kosovo they will have another song and dance just like for Serbia. Mladic is not enough well i think the best deal is Russia at least you will have Gas for the winter. What a joke, the EU crew.

For months now, EU was claiming "no new conditions" for EU entry for Serbia. Of course not.No need for something like that. Because the EU arrogance has at its disposal the phrase "we are not happy" with whatever suits them in a given moment.Like:"If he (Mladic) were arrested in the summer" Ever heard something more ridiculous from somebody judged to be one of the most knowledgeable political analysts in a field? What are the others, less able once, like; God save us from them all? So, there is no need for naming any conditions - it would suffice just to voice a displeasure with anything.
But I am so sure that the biggest yet displeasure with Serbia will never be stated in public: the recent signing of South Stream agreement. The act prolonged and dragged till the last possible moment due to political impotency on the part of some politicians, paralyzed by EU worshipping!

The main reason there is no real peace and a lasting solution on Kosovo is because the international community speaks with 100 voices. Everyone is saying something different. I wonder how many solutions there have been negotiated for Kosovo? The serbs have accepted one solution and the albanians another. The serbs and the Albanians interpret every new solution in a way that fits their agenda. The international community needs to resolve their differences before they force upon a solution on other people. Look at the situtation in Kosovo. If serbs are forced to chose between Kosovo and the EU there will be a lot of anger. The same goes for the albanians. If they don't get the Ahtisari plan they will not be happy. How can there be peace if people are not satisfied and feel betrayed? To bad the Balkan nations are incapable of cooperating and going at it themselves.
Now we are like poor little children depending on someone to take care of us. The EU has objectives in the Balkans. They don't just "help" countries with loads of money if they don't get something in return. Is this the Europe the Balkans want to join?

there should be more debates in europe on european tv's regaridng kosovo. Where theres serbs, albanians and europeans discussing more broadly the issues and giving real arguments and not just the dumbed down version of the issue. I have always been pro european but if the EU continues to lead a similar US policy of "democratic" imperialism everyones freedom will be at stake eventually. Just looks at the lisbon treaty :(