Priština denies technical negotiations

Pristina should not overestimate itself. It is really the EU via Eulex that is running Kosovo (south of the Ibar) now, not Pristina. Belgrade and UNMIK need only negotiate with Eulex. Pristina, by its own action of boycott, only ends up being be left out in the cold.

"Kosovo Albanian leadership sees this as "absolutely unacceptable". "

Which is strange. As the accepted EULEX. And EULEX is working in the frameworks of UNMIK.

Maybe it is time to stop fooling yourself?

Kosovo is NOT an independent state. UNMIK is in charge. Practical implementation is by EULEX.

We all know this. The question is: when an Albanian leader will have the guts to tell this to his/her people?

That's exactly my point. Belgrade will negotiate with EU, not Pristina. And tough luck if Pristina doesn't like it.
(lowe, 7 January 2009 14:36)

Negotiate with EU on what?

Tell me one thing that Belgrade and EU can do without Pristina's consent .

"lowe,
Everyone, all parties, all sides, have stated EULEX is a technical mission. It does not have and will not assume responsibility for negotiations on anyones behalf other than the EU.
(pss, 7 January 2009 13:53)"

That's exactly my point. Belgrade will negotiate with EU, not Pristina. And tough luck if Pristina doesn't like it.

Iowe

You dont seem to understand that EULEX isw on the albanian side. It was the albanians who invited Eulex to Kosovo so Eulex cannot negotiate with Serbia without the kosovo goverment. Eulex is a force with 3000 people and cannot run Kosovo. They are neither in Kosovo for that but to make the Kosovo instutuion stronger. Instutuions wich are runned by the goverment of Kosovo and the counstution of Kosovo. Eulex in difference from Unmik is technical and does not go into political question. So Serbia will have no need to negotiate with Eulex because Serbia can only talk political issues.

Just reamember that Kosovo got independent under the time UNMIK was here. That means that you have no chance to negotiate with someone else but the goverment of the republic of Kosovo. Unmik was never against the independence of Kosovo because if they had they wouldent have a chance to stay alive in Kosovo. it's the same with Eulöex. Eulex cannot stay in Kosovo if they don't agree with the rest of the population in Kosovo.


The six point plan is just a way for Tadic&co to soften the stance on Kosovo bit by bit. Reamember a year or two ago the serbian goverment had a vision that Kosovo will belong to Serbia. Now the serbian goverment knowes that south Kosovo is gone and a done deal. Tadic knowes that whole of Kosovo is lost for Serbia but he has no way to confest it. What should he say ? Serbia reconizes Kosovo. He cannot do that so he fools the serbs by dreaming.

lowe,
Everyone, all parties, all sides, have stated EULEX is a technical mission. It does not have and will not assume responsibility for negotiations on anyones behalf other than the EU.

Just reamember that Kosovo got Kosovo became independent under the time UNMIK was here. That means that you have no chance to negotiate with someone else but the goverment of the republic of Kosovo. - Adam
Wrong, Adam, Kosovo is not independent, no matter what the K-Albanians say. Being recognized by 40 countries does not make you independent. If you are independent, throw UNMIK and EULEX out then. You can't. That's right, because you are not independent. Just look around at all the KFOR soldiers walking around. Is this the sign of an independent country. Kosovo is Serbia, and Merry Christmas to all.

Adam,

Please stop fooling yourself. EULEX is only working under UNMIK.

I think it is a good thing that Albanians welcomed EULEX but even if they did not EULEX would have been deployed as it is the UN who is in charge in Kosovo!

Yes. The UN is in charge!

The so called Pristhina government can do nothing as legally Kosovo is still a Serbian province run by the UN (UNMIK).

Eulex in difference from Unmik is technical and does not go into political question
(Adam, 7 January 2009 15:38)
now re-read the title of this article. that's right, this is about "technical", not about "political" negotiations. and the government of kosovo needs to engage in technical talks with belgrade immediately since belgrade won't recognise kosovo as a state any time soon. i think both sides need to be pragmatic for the sake of their own people. and that means that unmik will continue to represent kosovo when dealing with serbia.

Kommentator,

"I am so much thanksful to all other missions of different organisations and their projects in my country too, deeply greatful!"

your country = Serbia

As Kosovo is just a Serbian province. Ruled by UN.

Maybe you should check 1244 before you write down more nonsense like this (please do not take this personally).

Some people in Serbia are still in deep dreams it seems, "KOSOVO-UNMIK", they must be our of their mind if they think Kosova Government will get along with this...Kosova has an so-called "Monitored Independece" and more important, Serbia is out for good! Watch more and more recognitions coming soon as anounced! EULEX is there to help us build our institutions, KFOR is there to make sure we do not go to war with Serbia again, or in other words make sure Serbia does not attack us and thanks god we have both of them! I am so much thanksful to all other missions of different organisations and their projects in my country too, deeply greatful!
Merry Christmas to all celebrating it today!

"Negotiate with EU on what?

Tell me one thing that Belgrade and EU can do without Pristina's consent .
(miri, 7 January 2009 15:08)"

miri,

The Serbs are already controlling the north and Serbian ministers have been making periodic visits to Serb enclaves. All these without Pristina's consent. You get the picture now, I hope.

lowe,

The best proof that our interpretation of 1244 is right: the fact that America tried to get rid of 1244 five (!) times.

If 1244 is no problem then why try to get rid of it?

Back in 1999 the whole international community said: well, at least we agree on the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia.

And now suddenly we should see 1244 as a tool for Kosovo independence. I don't think so!

If Albanians wanted full independence they shouldn't have agreed on 1244 in 1999!

"Palestine" was offer land and refused to take it saying the whole land of Israel was theirs. They also did not want to have any negotiations. Look what has happened now. They have less land then ever and they are not their own state. So denying talks is a very risky thing to do. Who knows what will happen in the years to come. Kosovo is still legally under the UN and that is all that matters, and if conditions worsen which they are Kosovo will be declared Serbia's land.
If you dont want to live under serbian rule go back to your own country of Albania. Republika Srpska does not exsits as a country and neither is Kosovo.

"Ron, Maybe you should read 1244. Whose whole design denies Serbia any control in Kosovo. Also states the mission of the UN is to help establish self-govt in Kosovo and turn duties over to the self-govt of Kosovo as it develops.
People should be very happy 1244 is in effect because it establishes 3 things
1 In 1999 it acknowledged the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia--no guarantees that it would remain the same.
2. No Serbian military or police can enter into Kosovo without the approval of the UN.
3. The govt of Kosovo is to be completely autonomous from control of Serbia.
(pss, 8 January 2009 09:36) "

pss

you just contradicted yourself. As you said 1244 recognized Yugoslavia's territorial integrity ie. 1244 recgonizes the pre-1999 borders which includes Kosovo! The borders can only change with Belgrade's consent which was what happened when it recognized Montenegro's independence in 2006. But I wouldn't hold my breath for the same to happen in Belgrade over Kosovo if I were you!

Ron, Maybe you should read 1244. Whose whole design denies Serbia any control in Kosovo. Also states the mission of the UN is to help establish self-govt in Kosovo and turn duties over to the self-govt of Kosovo as it develops.
People should be very happy 1244 is in effect because it establishes 3 things
1 In 1999 it acknowledged the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia--no guarantees that it would remain the same.
2. No Serbian military or police can enter into Kosovo without the approval of the UN.
3. The govt of Kosovo is to be completely autonomous from control of Serbia.

"Kosovo Albanian leadership sees this as "absolutely unacceptable". "

Which is strange. As the accepted EULEX. And EULEX is working in the frameworks of UNMIK.

Maybe it is time to stop fooling yourself?

Kosovo is NOT an independent state. UNMIK is in charge. Practical implementation is by EULEX.

We all know this. The question is: when an Albanian leader will have the guts to tell this to his/her people?

Pristina should not overestimate itself. It is really the EU via Eulex that is running Kosovo (south of the Ibar) now, not Pristina. Belgrade and UNMIK need only negotiate with Eulex. Pristina, by its own action of boycott, only ends up being be left out in the cold.

"lowe,
Everyone, all parties, all sides, have stated EULEX is a technical mission. It does not have and will not assume responsibility for negotiations on anyones behalf other than the EU.
(pss, 7 January 2009 13:53)"

That's exactly my point. Belgrade will negotiate with EU, not Pristina. And tough luck if Pristina doesn't like it.

That's exactly my point. Belgrade will negotiate with EU, not Pristina. And tough luck if Pristina doesn't like it.
(lowe, 7 January 2009 14:36)

Negotiate with EU on what?

Tell me one thing that Belgrade and EU can do without Pristina's consent .

Iowe

You dont seem to understand that EULEX isw on the albanian side. It was the albanians who invited Eulex to Kosovo so Eulex cannot negotiate with Serbia without the kosovo goverment. Eulex is a force with 3000 people and cannot run Kosovo. They are neither in Kosovo for that but to make the Kosovo instutuion stronger. Instutuions wich are runned by the goverment of Kosovo and the counstution of Kosovo. Eulex in difference from Unmik is technical and does not go into political question. So Serbia will have no need to negotiate with Eulex because Serbia can only talk political issues.

Just reamember that Kosovo got independent under the time UNMIK was here. That means that you have no chance to negotiate with someone else but the goverment of the republic of Kosovo. Unmik was never against the independence of Kosovo because if they had they wouldent have a chance to stay alive in Kosovo. it's the same with Eulöex. Eulex cannot stay in Kosovo if they don't agree with the rest of the population in Kosovo.


The six point plan is just a way for Tadic&co to soften the stance on Kosovo bit by bit. Reamember a year or two ago the serbian goverment had a vision that Kosovo will belong to Serbia. Now the serbian goverment knowes that south Kosovo is gone and a done deal. Tadic knowes that whole of Kosovo is lost for Serbia but he has no way to confest it. What should he say ? Serbia reconizes Kosovo. He cannot do that so he fools the serbs by dreaming.

Just reamember that Kosovo got Kosovo became independent under the time UNMIK was here. That means that you have no chance to negotiate with someone else but the goverment of the republic of Kosovo. - Adam
Wrong, Adam, Kosovo is not independent, no matter what the K-Albanians say. Being recognized by 40 countries does not make you independent. If you are independent, throw UNMIK and EULEX out then. You can't. That's right, because you are not independent. Just look around at all the KFOR soldiers walking around. Is this the sign of an independent country. Kosovo is Serbia, and Merry Christmas to all.

lowe,
Everyone, all parties, all sides, have stated EULEX is a technical mission. It does not have and will not assume responsibility for negotiations on anyones behalf other than the EU.

Eulex in difference from Unmik is technical and does not go into political question
(Adam, 7 January 2009 15:38)
now re-read the title of this article. that's right, this is about "technical", not about "political" negotiations. and the government of kosovo needs to engage in technical talks with belgrade immediately since belgrade won't recognise kosovo as a state any time soon. i think both sides need to be pragmatic for the sake of their own people. and that means that unmik will continue to represent kosovo when dealing with serbia.

Adam,

Please stop fooling yourself. EULEX is only working under UNMIK.

I think it is a good thing that Albanians welcomed EULEX but even if they did not EULEX would have been deployed as it is the UN who is in charge in Kosovo!

Yes. The UN is in charge!

The so called Pristhina government can do nothing as legally Kosovo is still a Serbian province run by the UN (UNMIK).

Kommentator,

"I am so much thanksful to all other missions of different organisations and their projects in my country too, deeply greatful!"

your country = Serbia

As Kosovo is just a Serbian province. Ruled by UN.

Maybe you should check 1244 before you write down more nonsense like this (please do not take this personally).

Some people in Serbia are still in deep dreams it seems, "KOSOVO-UNMIK", they must be our of their mind if they think Kosova Government will get along with this...Kosova has an so-called "Monitored Independece" and more important, Serbia is out for good! Watch more and more recognitions coming soon as anounced! EULEX is there to help us build our institutions, KFOR is there to make sure we do not go to war with Serbia again, or in other words make sure Serbia does not attack us and thanks god we have both of them! I am so much thanksful to all other missions of different organisations and their projects in my country too, deeply greatful!
Merry Christmas to all celebrating it today!

"Palestine" was offer land and refused to take it saying the whole land of Israel was theirs. They also did not want to have any negotiations. Look what has happened now. They have less land then ever and they are not their own state. So denying talks is a very risky thing to do. Who knows what will happen in the years to come. Kosovo is still legally under the UN and that is all that matters, and if conditions worsen which they are Kosovo will be declared Serbia's land.
If you dont want to live under serbian rule go back to your own country of Albania. Republika Srpska does not exsits as a country and neither is Kosovo.

"Negotiate with EU on what?

Tell me one thing that Belgrade and EU can do without Pristina's consent .
(miri, 7 January 2009 15:08)"

miri,

The Serbs are already controlling the north and Serbian ministers have been making periodic visits to Serb enclaves. All these without Pristina's consent. You get the picture now, I hope.

"Ron, Maybe you should read 1244. Whose whole design denies Serbia any control in Kosovo. Also states the mission of the UN is to help establish self-govt in Kosovo and turn duties over to the self-govt of Kosovo as it develops.
People should be very happy 1244 is in effect because it establishes 3 things
1 In 1999 it acknowledged the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia--no guarantees that it would remain the same.
2. No Serbian military or police can enter into Kosovo without the approval of the UN.
3. The govt of Kosovo is to be completely autonomous from control of Serbia.
(pss, 8 January 2009 09:36) "

pss

you just contradicted yourself. As you said 1244 recognized Yugoslavia's territorial integrity ie. 1244 recgonizes the pre-1999 borders which includes Kosovo! The borders can only change with Belgrade's consent which was what happened when it recognized Montenegro's independence in 2006. But I wouldn't hold my breath for the same to happen in Belgrade over Kosovo if I were you!

lowe,

The best proof that our interpretation of 1244 is right: the fact that America tried to get rid of 1244 five (!) times.

If 1244 is no problem then why try to get rid of it?

Back in 1999 the whole international community said: well, at least we agree on the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia.

And now suddenly we should see 1244 as a tool for Kosovo independence. I don't think so!

If Albanians wanted full independence they shouldn't have agreed on 1244 in 1999!

Ron, Maybe you should read 1244. Whose whole design denies Serbia any control in Kosovo. Also states the mission of the UN is to help establish self-govt in Kosovo and turn duties over to the self-govt of Kosovo as it develops.
People should be very happy 1244 is in effect because it establishes 3 things
1 In 1999 it acknowledged the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia--no guarantees that it would remain the same.
2. No Serbian military or police can enter into Kosovo without the approval of the UN.
3. The govt of Kosovo is to be completely autonomous from control of Serbia.