Gazprom: Europe hostage to Ukraine's behavior

This really highlights one stark truth for all to see -- the impotency of the US. Only Russian gas can stop Europe from freezing for the rest of winter. The US, for all its mischief in always creating problems in Europe and elsewhere, is unable (and unwilling) to help any of its so called allies. Not one penny for Ukraine, the US is too mired in its own debts. Not one iota of American gas for western Europe this winter, shipment across the Atlantic takes too long and costs too much.

Russia is to blame for a lot of these going ons. It used its gas as a political stick and carrot. When Ukraine played Russia's game like the last leader of Ukraine Kucma it got cheap gas. What did the Russians expect Ukraine to do is financially strapt it should of weaned slowly Ukraine off cheap gas. But Russia demanded right away payments because Ukraine is pursuing a independent policies of Moscow politicians . I think the people in the Kremlin did not hear the news Soviet Union is gone last one didn't work or its tactics. That is why their is a large consortium of country's that are building a multi billion LNG terminal on the Croatian island of Krk that will be supplying central Europe. They are tired of being held up for ransom now and down the line in the future as tit for tat political games are played out.

I think this is a case of Yuschenko following his orders from Washington to cause as much trouble with Russia as possible before he leaves office in a year. If Ukraine persists in stealing gas and not paying their bills, they have nobody else to blame but themselves for this mess.
There is only one way to solve this problem, build South Stream and Nord Stream as soon as possible!! This will be great for both Russia and Serbia.
Cheers!!

Lowe
You are a friend and besides quite a reasonable one. It may be of your interest to know that during all 17 years of independence Ukraine has enjoyed annual advantages from Gasprom estimated from USD 5 to 9 Bln. I believe that if only 10% of those money were spent for Serbia your president’s name would be Tomislav.

Lenard
In fact we have two Ukraines. The elites that fear and hate us and the people that mostly love us. So before every election all Ukrainian politician go to Moscow and publicly swear to love us until the end if times. Sure they immediately forget it soon after being elected. Please don’t worry in the Ukraine they have no Russia friendly parties able to win. But after Ushenko has shipped free of charge armaments to Georgia for usd 2,2 Bln and after the Ukrainian crews hit down our planes in Georgia Putin went out of range . Be sure he will not stop before the Ukrainian regime is destroyed. Be sure you will never have Ukraine in NATO coz the people is on our side.
We still hope that sooner or later Ukraine will be friendly to Russia at least because they are Russians using now and then some Polish words. That’s why we have been sponsoring them so much and so long. But their president enjoying now the support of 3% of population is a genetic Russofobe. If I tell you what his father was doing during WW2 it will be censored out by B92. But I have good news that next year he is leaving the Ukraine forever. His children go to a school which diploma is not accepted in any University of the Ukraine.

Dragan
Right you are ! Moreover buying the gas at USD 179 they re-exported about 30% at a price close to USD 500 and this is how their politicians became billionaires ! Today Ushenko has finally after 7 days came out of his hiding place and Medvedev has talked to him telling him that he may expect no more advantages. They refused the price of USD 250 then rejected USD 380 then 418 so now they will have USD 450 and it means their total collapse this February.

MERRY CHRISTMAS ! I believe you will have the gas within 3 days so stand firm and don't panic !

That has to be one of the most biased and uninformed comments that I have seen here lowe. This is not a US issue, so why try to turn it into one. The most economic, safe and sensible way to transport natural gas is by pipeline. Russia holds the world's largest reserves of natural gas & it's former republics stand along that way. Any former repulbic that wants to disrupt the flow to western europe can just shut it down. This is what happens when you place all your eggs in one basket. There is much more to this than whether some country along the way is behind in their payments. Natural gas is gold now and Russia is Midas. Europe should never depend on just one source or type of fuel.

On this issue it becomes clear who lives in Serbia and who does not...

This has america written all over it. I bet they are using the puppets in the Ukranian governmnet to make Russia look like the bad guy.

Patrik,

I am pleased to see that I am not the only one to see the comments of that person always biased. It is always pure polemic reflecting a terrible complex versus the US. Leave it to him and he will make any absolutely no US issue a US issue. Actually I can find this type of person fairly frequently even in Hungary (sometime even among my relatives),who out of envy would like to see the economic collapse of the US. For them everything is the fault of the US. To give you an example of their twisted logic: It is the fault of the US that the pensions for retirees in Hungary are not as high as in the US or in Western Europe. And comments like this from people with high education!!

who out of envy would like to see the economic collapse of the US. For them everything is the fault of the US.

Joe,

You are wrong, nobody would like to see the collapse of the US, it has already collapsed...and thanks to the US ! :))

Joke apart, am glad abt the exit of the current criminal admin of which you have always been a great fan...and all the best wishes to Mr President Obama in reconstructing a better world!

"That has to be one of the most biased and uninformed comments that I have seen here lowe. This is not a US issue, so why try to turn it into one. The most economic, safe and sensible way to transport natural gas is by pipeline. Russia holds the world's largest reserves of natural gas & it's former republics stand along that way. Any former repulbic that wants to disrupt the flow to western europe can just shut it down. This is what happens when you place all your eggs in one basket. There is much more to this than whether some country along the way is behind in their payments. Natural gas is gold now and Russia is Midas. Europe should never depend on just one source or type of fuel.
(Patrik, 7 January 2009 16:05) "

Patrik,

You should look a bit deeper. The source of the problem is that Ukraine cannot afford to pay for its gas from Russia anymore. The current acrimonious state of relationship between its current president and Moscow (ie. Putin) came about primarily as a result of US instigating the Ukrainians to join Nato and to stand up to the Kremlin. The US probably promised them that this is the sure route to riches. Which the Ukranian president foolishly did in spite of opposition from his own prime minister. Now that push has come to shove, with Ukraine in deep debt and unable to afford the Russian gas, the US could not deliver on its image as Mr Money Bags. All that money was borrowed on credit from, of all people, mainly communist China via bonds and other financial instruments!

The bottom line is that had Russian-Ukranian relationship not become so bad, it is highly possible that the Russians might not have been so unyielding, which I must add is actualy within their rights in business dealings such as this.

The Swiss

Your posts I also read till end. You have got no block mentallity to separate states as ours and theirs. So you are a real Swiss !

Most of the Western people are blaming us of everything. I even expect that they will say we arranged the severe cold wether in Europe ... The sooner we stop to divide ourselves the better for all.

This talk with KUKHARKIN is an endless one ... I have the same talks with the Ukrainian gastarbaiters to work here. Even when I offer a toast to them it sounds as follows :"For those Russians who believe themselves to be Ukrainians and Belorussians !"

Cheers !

Kukarkin,
1. We have lost 12 planes - all hit down with BUK-1M with Ukrainian crews. It has been stated by Rada’s Special Commission. The systems were presented ( not sold !) 2 months before the war so Georgians were unable to be trained enough. We also have one dead body of such an officer and a lot of evidence of Georgian prisoners of war. By the way two of the killed pilots had South Russian second names often called as Ukrainian ones.
2. As you must know the first time Ukrainian was used as a national identity has happened in 1898 i.e. 110 years ago. Before that Poles and the Russian used this word only as a geographic termin while almost all the people to inhabit those lands called themselves as RUSSIANS. So genetically Ukrainians are Russians with some Polish aromateasators in their blood. But I respect their will to be not Russian and formally consider them to be a separate nation.
3. 3-4% are those who still supports Ush. And it doesn’t mean that all the rest will vote for Russia. In Ukraine there are no pro-Russian political force able to win. I have more respect for Julia than Yanek.
4. I have daily contacts with Ukrainians working in our company. They are from I-Frankovsk so I know the difference. Also I know that this difference has been artificially sponsored by the Germans , Hungarians , Poles , Russian Bolshevics and now by the CIA resident. Please check old papers and compare them with the new ones.

С РОЖДЕСТВОМ ТЕБЯ И БУДЬ ЗДОРОВ !

" am pleased to see that I am not the only one to see the comments of that person always biased. It is always pure polemic reflecting a terrible complex versus the US. Leave it to him and he will make any absolutely no US issue a US issue. Actually I can find this type of person fairly frequently even in Hungary (sometime even among my relatives),who out of envy would like to see the economic collapse of the US. For them everything is the fault of the US. To give you an example of their twisted logic: It is the fault of the US that the pensions for retirees in Hungary are not as high as in the US or in Western Europe. And comments like this from people with high education!!
(Joe, 7 January 2009 19:34) "

What's the matter Joe? Did I touch a sore nerve so that you had to get personal?

Envy your trillion dollar debts? Your jobless bankers, automobile workers. Your mass of homeless people on the dole? Please do not insult me and everyone else here!

In any case this is not the first time that the US had not come to the rescue of its so called allies. It betrayed Vietnam and more recently Georgia. The US is what the English would called a fair-weathered friend. But really, with friends like that who needs enemies!

KUKARKIN
1. The document was forbidden for publishing and the press conference of Regional Konovalenko was not shown inside the state. By the way you are right all mentioned surnames are SOUTH RUSSIAN origin because people has been moving to and fro hundreds of years. Here Ukrainians are accepted as a sort of Russians and you can do nothing about it. Half of our Duma and the Government has got such Russian second names. So from historical point of view Timoshenko (Тимошин) sounds rather Russian (Тимофей , Тимоха , Тимоша).

As for the missiles launchers they were Ukrainians and the system itself is good enough cause it had been developed in the USSR. Their radius is about 75 km and it was a big astonishment for us. That’s why we bombed Tbilisi airport and the SU-25 making plant.

2. Stop kidding me about the 16 century. It was the golden century of the Poles and the most often name they used for Southern-West Russians was BIDLO … IN 1898 one Ukrainian nationalist used this word in it’s current meaning for the first time otherwise you would give me a link . Ukrainians are a separate nation now cause they really think so. But it is an artificial ( like kiwi) nation created by enemies to weaken Russia.

3. To avoid any misunderstanding I have to stress that I hate both Ush and Julia while I feel disgust for Yanek as the biggest and most coward prostitute . I feel sympathy only for Natalia and partly for Simonenko. I think this gas crisis will be a control shot into the politically dead body of the traitor’s son. So his 3 % will not save him and by the end of the year he will leave you alone forever.

4. If you look at the old Russian texts you will find them quite close to Ukrainian language but it only means that we are of one origin. No matter how you call it and if you agree this I am ready to call myself a HOHOL or any other joint name . Instead of empty talking give a link to mention Ukrainians as a nation before 1898. There are no such an evidence and it means that Ukrainians are either Russians or were dropped down on a parachute.

БУДЬ ЗДОРОВ !

Orthodox, Kukarkin, great and interesting to read your posts. Thanks

ORTHODOX
Hey man I'm a Russian myself living un Kiev, and melieve me I'm not less a patriot of my big motherland than you, but sometimes when I read your comments they make me smile)
You should really check your info about Ukraine carrefully.
If you ever get accuinted with ukrainian army you would never write something like they took down our planes))
One more surprise for you will be that ukrainian language is not a dialect of russian but an independent slavic language(though personaly I do not like it much) if you doubt that try to translate word смолоскип for example, or check the infinitive construction or positioning of accent. Unfortunatelly i will disappoint you by telling that there are much more than 3 per cent of those people you mention due to political and informational conflicts between countries we both live in( If I could have a pic I could send you an political advertisement which says "Nationalism is love" posted on lots streets in Kiev. This conflict is actually between two billionare corporotion who try to sell gas to Europe their way (never thought that Ukraine could resell it for 450 buying for 200) Peace bro

1.Well there was none official approval o this here and noone showed pics and documents of those guys to some comission for consideration them real. As for surnames hehe well then a big part of Moscow has to be with ukrainian blood, and how about such surnames as PorechenKOv or StetsKOv) this is a very tricky argument. As for training I doubd there are some good experts here (though there was an experience with a civil plane)
2.Well this is not quite true cause Ukrainians call themselves so from 16th centuary for sure and u can find it in poems and texts of many Ukrainian authors. Though you are right about that it was called Malorossia in Russia
3.Hehe I can tell you that before last elections Julia's party was much more pro Ukrainian than Ushenko guys nowdays. It would be interesting for you to know maybe that it even had much more electorate in western regions than Ushenko. Take a look at deputy Shkilj for example.
4. Well if you are really interested in this question I would reccomend you to compare it to Ruthenian language(which is claimed to be the most orthodox of eastern slavic ones , remaining back from Kievian Rus times) you will find tons of simularities it has with Ukrainian but is much more less with Russian
And by the way I do not try to protect or prosecute someone I was born in a big country called USSR where all lived under one roof) you know what I mean.
С праздником, Спасибо за поздравления!

ORTHODOX,

thanks, well I have the chance that life brought me at so many different places, both privately and for business purposes! Indeed am a real Swiss, since the 13th century :)) but at the end am the least Swiss mentality oriented that you can imagine...

Cheers and see ya around!

This really highlights one stark truth for all to see -- the impotency of the US. Only Russian gas can stop Europe from freezing for the rest of winter. The US, for all its mischief in always creating problems in Europe and elsewhere, is unable (and unwilling) to help any of its so called allies. Not one penny for Ukraine, the US is too mired in its own debts. Not one iota of American gas for western Europe this winter, shipment across the Atlantic takes too long and costs too much.

Russia is to blame for a lot of these going ons. It used its gas as a political stick and carrot. When Ukraine played Russia's game like the last leader of Ukraine Kucma it got cheap gas. What did the Russians expect Ukraine to do is financially strapt it should of weaned slowly Ukraine off cheap gas. But Russia demanded right away payments because Ukraine is pursuing a independent policies of Moscow politicians . I think the people in the Kremlin did not hear the news Soviet Union is gone last one didn't work or its tactics. That is why their is a large consortium of country's that are building a multi billion LNG terminal on the Croatian island of Krk that will be supplying central Europe. They are tired of being held up for ransom now and down the line in the future as tit for tat political games are played out.

I think this is a case of Yuschenko following his orders from Washington to cause as much trouble with Russia as possible before he leaves office in a year. If Ukraine persists in stealing gas and not paying their bills, they have nobody else to blame but themselves for this mess.
There is only one way to solve this problem, build South Stream and Nord Stream as soon as possible!! This will be great for both Russia and Serbia.
Cheers!!

Patrik,

I am pleased to see that I am not the only one to see the comments of that person always biased. It is always pure polemic reflecting a terrible complex versus the US. Leave it to him and he will make any absolutely no US issue a US issue. Actually I can find this type of person fairly frequently even in Hungary (sometime even among my relatives),who out of envy would like to see the economic collapse of the US. For them everything is the fault of the US. To give you an example of their twisted logic: It is the fault of the US that the pensions for retirees in Hungary are not as high as in the US or in Western Europe. And comments like this from people with high education!!

This has america written all over it. I bet they are using the puppets in the Ukranian governmnet to make Russia look like the bad guy.

On this issue it becomes clear who lives in Serbia and who does not...

Lowe
You are a friend and besides quite a reasonable one. It may be of your interest to know that during all 17 years of independence Ukraine has enjoyed annual advantages from Gasprom estimated from USD 5 to 9 Bln. I believe that if only 10% of those money were spent for Serbia your president’s name would be Tomislav.

Lenard
In fact we have two Ukraines. The elites that fear and hate us and the people that mostly love us. So before every election all Ukrainian politician go to Moscow and publicly swear to love us until the end if times. Sure they immediately forget it soon after being elected. Please don’t worry in the Ukraine they have no Russia friendly parties able to win. But after Ushenko has shipped free of charge armaments to Georgia for usd 2,2 Bln and after the Ukrainian crews hit down our planes in Georgia Putin went out of range . Be sure he will not stop before the Ukrainian regime is destroyed. Be sure you will never have Ukraine in NATO coz the people is on our side.
We still hope that sooner or later Ukraine will be friendly to Russia at least because they are Russians using now and then some Polish words. That’s why we have been sponsoring them so much and so long. But their president enjoying now the support of 3% of population is a genetic Russofobe. If I tell you what his father was doing during WW2 it will be censored out by B92. But I have good news that next year he is leaving the Ukraine forever. His children go to a school which diploma is not accepted in any University of the Ukraine.

Dragan
Right you are ! Moreover buying the gas at USD 179 they re-exported about 30% at a price close to USD 500 and this is how their politicians became billionaires ! Today Ushenko has finally after 7 days came out of his hiding place and Medvedev has talked to him telling him that he may expect no more advantages. They refused the price of USD 250 then rejected USD 380 then 418 so now they will have USD 450 and it means their total collapse this February.

MERRY CHRISTMAS ! I believe you will have the gas within 3 days so stand firm and don't panic !

ORTHODOX
Hey man I'm a Russian myself living un Kiev, and melieve me I'm not less a patriot of my big motherland than you, but sometimes when I read your comments they make me smile)
You should really check your info about Ukraine carrefully.
If you ever get accuinted with ukrainian army you would never write something like they took down our planes))
One more surprise for you will be that ukrainian language is not a dialect of russian but an independent slavic language(though personaly I do not like it much) if you doubt that try to translate word смолоскип for example, or check the infinitive construction or positioning of accent. Unfortunatelly i will disappoint you by telling that there are much more than 3 per cent of those people you mention due to political and informational conflicts between countries we both live in( If I could have a pic I could send you an political advertisement which says "Nationalism is love" posted on lots streets in Kiev. This conflict is actually between two billionare corporotion who try to sell gas to Europe their way (never thought that Ukraine could resell it for 450 buying for 200) Peace bro

who out of envy would like to see the economic collapse of the US. For them everything is the fault of the US.

Joe,

You are wrong, nobody would like to see the collapse of the US, it has already collapsed...and thanks to the US ! :))

Joke apart, am glad abt the exit of the current criminal admin of which you have always been a great fan...and all the best wishes to Mr President Obama in reconstructing a better world!

That has to be one of the most biased and uninformed comments that I have seen here lowe. This is not a US issue, so why try to turn it into one. The most economic, safe and sensible way to transport natural gas is by pipeline. Russia holds the world's largest reserves of natural gas & it's former republics stand along that way. Any former repulbic that wants to disrupt the flow to western europe can just shut it down. This is what happens when you place all your eggs in one basket. There is much more to this than whether some country along the way is behind in their payments. Natural gas is gold now and Russia is Midas. Europe should never depend on just one source or type of fuel.

" am pleased to see that I am not the only one to see the comments of that person always biased. It is always pure polemic reflecting a terrible complex versus the US. Leave it to him and he will make any absolutely no US issue a US issue. Actually I can find this type of person fairly frequently even in Hungary (sometime even among my relatives),who out of envy would like to see the economic collapse of the US. For them everything is the fault of the US. To give you an example of their twisted logic: It is the fault of the US that the pensions for retirees in Hungary are not as high as in the US or in Western Europe. And comments like this from people with high education!!
(Joe, 7 January 2009 19:34) "

What's the matter Joe? Did I touch a sore nerve so that you had to get personal?

Envy your trillion dollar debts? Your jobless bankers, automobile workers. Your mass of homeless people on the dole? Please do not insult me and everyone else here!

In any case this is not the first time that the US had not come to the rescue of its so called allies. It betrayed Vietnam and more recently Georgia. The US is what the English would called a fair-weathered friend. But really, with friends like that who needs enemies!

"That has to be one of the most biased and uninformed comments that I have seen here lowe. This is not a US issue, so why try to turn it into one. The most economic, safe and sensible way to transport natural gas is by pipeline. Russia holds the world's largest reserves of natural gas & it's former republics stand along that way. Any former repulbic that wants to disrupt the flow to western europe can just shut it down. This is what happens when you place all your eggs in one basket. There is much more to this than whether some country along the way is behind in their payments. Natural gas is gold now and Russia is Midas. Europe should never depend on just one source or type of fuel.
(Patrik, 7 January 2009 16:05) "

Patrik,

You should look a bit deeper. The source of the problem is that Ukraine cannot afford to pay for its gas from Russia anymore. The current acrimonious state of relationship between its current president and Moscow (ie. Putin) came about primarily as a result of US instigating the Ukrainians to join Nato and to stand up to the Kremlin. The US probably promised them that this is the sure route to riches. Which the Ukranian president foolishly did in spite of opposition from his own prime minister. Now that push has come to shove, with Ukraine in deep debt and unable to afford the Russian gas, the US could not deliver on its image as Mr Money Bags. All that money was borrowed on credit from, of all people, mainly communist China via bonds and other financial instruments!

The bottom line is that had Russian-Ukranian relationship not become so bad, it is highly possible that the Russians might not have been so unyielding, which I must add is actualy within their rights in business dealings such as this.

Kukarkin,
1. We have lost 12 planes - all hit down with BUK-1M with Ukrainian crews. It has been stated by Rada’s Special Commission. The systems were presented ( not sold !) 2 months before the war so Georgians were unable to be trained enough. We also have one dead body of such an officer and a lot of evidence of Georgian prisoners of war. By the way two of the killed pilots had South Russian second names often called as Ukrainian ones.
2. As you must know the first time Ukrainian was used as a national identity has happened in 1898 i.e. 110 years ago. Before that Poles and the Russian used this word only as a geographic termin while almost all the people to inhabit those lands called themselves as RUSSIANS. So genetically Ukrainians are Russians with some Polish aromateasators in their blood. But I respect their will to be not Russian and formally consider them to be a separate nation.
3. 3-4% are those who still supports Ush. And it doesn’t mean that all the rest will vote for Russia. In Ukraine there are no pro-Russian political force able to win. I have more respect for Julia than Yanek.
4. I have daily contacts with Ukrainians working in our company. They are from I-Frankovsk so I know the difference. Also I know that this difference has been artificially sponsored by the Germans , Hungarians , Poles , Russian Bolshevics and now by the CIA resident. Please check old papers and compare them with the new ones.

С РОЖДЕСТВОМ ТЕБЯ И БУДЬ ЗДОРОВ !

1.Well there was none official approval o this here and noone showed pics and documents of those guys to some comission for consideration them real. As for surnames hehe well then a big part of Moscow has to be with ukrainian blood, and how about such surnames as PorechenKOv or StetsKOv) this is a very tricky argument. As for training I doubd there are some good experts here (though there was an experience with a civil plane)
2.Well this is not quite true cause Ukrainians call themselves so from 16th centuary for sure and u can find it in poems and texts of many Ukrainian authors. Though you are right about that it was called Malorossia in Russia
3.Hehe I can tell you that before last elections Julia's party was much more pro Ukrainian than Ushenko guys nowdays. It would be interesting for you to know maybe that it even had much more electorate in western regions than Ushenko. Take a look at deputy Shkilj for example.
4. Well if you are really interested in this question I would reccomend you to compare it to Ruthenian language(which is claimed to be the most orthodox of eastern slavic ones , remaining back from Kievian Rus times) you will find tons of simularities it has with Ukrainian but is much more less with Russian
And by the way I do not try to protect or prosecute someone I was born in a big country called USSR where all lived under one roof) you know what I mean.
С праздником, Спасибо за поздравления!

KUKARKIN
1. The document was forbidden for publishing and the press conference of Regional Konovalenko was not shown inside the state. By the way you are right all mentioned surnames are SOUTH RUSSIAN origin because people has been moving to and fro hundreds of years. Here Ukrainians are accepted as a sort of Russians and you can do nothing about it. Half of our Duma and the Government has got such Russian second names. So from historical point of view Timoshenko (Тимошин) sounds rather Russian (Тимофей , Тимоха , Тимоша).

As for the missiles launchers they were Ukrainians and the system itself is good enough cause it had been developed in the USSR. Their radius is about 75 km and it was a big astonishment for us. That’s why we bombed Tbilisi airport and the SU-25 making plant.

2. Stop kidding me about the 16 century. It was the golden century of the Poles and the most often name they used for Southern-West Russians was BIDLO … IN 1898 one Ukrainian nationalist used this word in it’s current meaning for the first time otherwise you would give me a link . Ukrainians are a separate nation now cause they really think so. But it is an artificial ( like kiwi) nation created by enemies to weaken Russia.

3. To avoid any misunderstanding I have to stress that I hate both Ush and Julia while I feel disgust for Yanek as the biggest and most coward prostitute . I feel sympathy only for Natalia and partly for Simonenko. I think this gas crisis will be a control shot into the politically dead body of the traitor’s son. So his 3 % will not save him and by the end of the year he will leave you alone forever.

4. If you look at the old Russian texts you will find them quite close to Ukrainian language but it only means that we are of one origin. No matter how you call it and if you agree this I am ready to call myself a HOHOL or any other joint name . Instead of empty talking give a link to mention Ukrainians as a nation before 1898. There are no such an evidence and it means that Ukrainians are either Russians or were dropped down on a parachute.

БУДЬ ЗДОРОВ !

Orthodox, Kukarkin, great and interesting to read your posts. Thanks

The Swiss

Your posts I also read till end. You have got no block mentallity to separate states as ours and theirs. So you are a real Swiss !

Most of the Western people are blaming us of everything. I even expect that they will say we arranged the severe cold wether in Europe ... The sooner we stop to divide ourselves the better for all.

This talk with KUKHARKIN is an endless one ... I have the same talks with the Ukrainian gastarbaiters to work here. Even when I offer a toast to them it sounds as follows :"For those Russians who believe themselves to be Ukrainians and Belorussians !"

Cheers !

ORTHODOX,

thanks, well I have the chance that life brought me at so many different places, both privately and for business purposes! Indeed am a real Swiss, since the 13th century :)) but at the end am the least Swiss mentality oriented that you can imagine...

Cheers and see ya around!